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Night time air operations where critical during WWII. Wether it was night time CV operations in the pacific or Lancaster raids in Europe or the great B29 fire raids on japan, night operations played a big role. I would love to see this in the Main arena along with the addition of night-fighters. This would make Lancaster strat raid possible during peak hours and finally allow lancasters to fulfill their true use, night bombers. (Inciter bombs would be nice too as a payload for lancs and B29s too, but that's a different topic). Possible night fighters are the modified F6F, mossie, modified 410, and 110.
:salute Coalcat1
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from what i know HTC removed night because most people would log off or turn there gama up
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Please use the search !!! Half of the things you have poster have been posted before and rehashed a number of times. If you can't find your answer in those threads THEN ask.
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from what i know HTC removed night because most people would log off or turn there gama up
If I remember correctly they have added this to the MA on a few special occasions. I believe it should be a regular part of the MA due to the impacts night had in WWII and it would allow people to use under defended bombers, such as the Lancaster, like they where used in WWII, as effective night bombers. This would also call for modifications to a few aircraft so they could be night fighters. Maybe the on board radar could be a weapon package.
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If I remember correctly they have added this to the MA on a few special occasions. I believe it should be a regular part of the MA due to the impacts night had in WWII and it would allow people to use under defended bombers, such as the Lancaster, like they where used in WWII, as effective night bombers. This would also call for modifications to a few aircraft so they could be night fighters. Maybe the on board radar could be a weapon package.
Sorry, all the "wise old timers" hate change and will beat anyone up who wants change.
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If I remember correctly they have added this to the MA on a few special occasions. I believe it should be a regular part of the MA due to the impacts night had in WWII and it would allow people to use under defended bombers, such as the Lancaster, like they where used in WWII, as effective night bombers. This would also call for modifications to a few aircraft so they could be night fighters. Maybe the on board radar could be a weapon package.
Most planes, heck most countries didn't have radar.
Here HITECH says no to a "night time" arena. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,227946.msg2770930.html#msg2770930
If you read the whole thread you can get a good idea of why night time won't be coming any time soon.
Sorry, all the "wise old timers" hate change and will beat anyone up who wants change.
Nope, it's because all the "kids" upped their gamma and any other trick they could to turn "night" into "day".
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Most planes, heck most countries didn't have radar.
Here HITECH says no to a "night time" arena. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,227946.msg2770930.html#msg2770930
If you read the whole thread you can get a good idea of why night time won't be coming any time soon.
Nope, it's because all the "kids" upped their gamma and any other trick they could to turn "night" into "day".
And yet other games have night time... This is the issue with the AH community everyone tries to cheat the system. You don't see people in BF3 turning the brightness up to get a edge on the other person. You don't see people in WT doing that either.
This is why we can't have nice things.
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And yet other games have night time... This is the issue with the AH community everyone tries to cheat the system. You don't see people in BF3 turning the brightness up to get a edge on the other person. You don't see people in WT doing that either.
This is why we can't have nice things.
The majority of people did not like it. So much so that there was a significant drop in numbers when night was running. And hence it no longer is the norm in the main arena.
HiTech
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The majority of people did not like it. So much so that there was a significant drop in numbers when night was running. And hence it no longer is the norm in the main arena.
HiTech
An official response!!!!
This should be stickied so it is never asked again!
(sarcasm)
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Please use the search !!! Half of the things you have poster have been posted before and rehashed a number of times. If you can't find your answer in those threads THEN ask.
chill dafuq out dude. this is wishlist forum. The opinions of the players years ago are not necessarily the opinions of those playing today.
Not everyone knows to search before hand, and frankly they don't have to. So deal with it.
Hitech came in, told us what was up and why night ain't happening. The way you posted was more annoying then just having to read another night wish.
By your reasoning any wish previously posted, means we should just go with the opinions of that thread at that time, since creating an identical wish apparently gets your panties twisted.
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The majority of people did not like it. So much so that there was a significant drop in numbers when night was running. And hence it no longer is the norm in the main arena.
HiTech
It was quite a few years ago that night was removed and a lot of people seem to be interested in trying it. I think we should give it a try again for a week or so with maybe 30 minutes of night every few hours. If people decide they don't like it again no harm done.
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It wasn't the darkness that bothered me, it was the god awful never ending dawn and dusk.
shamus
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It was quite a few years ago that night was removed and a lot of people seem to be interested in trying it. I think we should give it a try again for a week or so with maybe 30 minutes of night every few hours. If people decide they don't like it again no harm done.
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This is why we have Custom Arenas...
OH WAIT - They're spoofed at the moment :noid :cry :noid
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Could be specific days and hours only : like 2 or 3 hours long on friday, or wednesday, or... :noid
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It was quite a few years ago that night was removed and a lot of people seem to be interested in trying it. I think we should give it a try again for a week or so with maybe 30 minutes of night every few hours. If people decide they don't like it again no harm done.
Could be specific days and hours only : like 2 or 3 hours long on friday, or wednesday, or... :noid
I agree with ReVo and Lucifer, we could do something like 1 hour of nighttime every other day...... Something like that.
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chill dafuq out dude. this is wishlist forum. The opinions of the players years ago are not necessarily the opinions of those playing today.
Not everyone knows to search before hand, and frankly they don't have to. So deal with it.
Hitech came in, told us what was up and why night ain't happening. The way you posted was more annoying then just having to read another night wish.
By your reasoning any wish previously posted, means we should just go with the opinions of that thread at that time, since creating an identical wish apparently gets your panties twisted.
The point is if people would search the boards BEFORE posting they would find a bunch of info on the issue they are questioning or requesting. Reading these other post may enlighten them as to the hows and whys of things in this game. If someone has a new approach at an old idea by all means post it.
However posting every little idea that pops into your head makes for an annoying community poster who soon become the butt of many jokes and has fewer and fewer people looking at, never mind considering, their posts as anything other than another waste of ones time.
As in every community, there is a point where the "new" people should be shown a better way to do things. I pointed out the better way.
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Fugi,
Change for the novelty factor regardless of the outcome, is a normal desire by many who don't have to pay their employees on time every two weeks. As the customer, $14.95 entitles them to an opinion since this is the "Wishlist". As you can see many customers dislike defending their momentary urges made public in the arena of ideas visa socratic spirited debate. As urges are just that, opposed to spirited debatable ideas not defended by, you are an irrelevant old meeny and go fudge yourself because you are old and useless.
There is not 1:1 causation to caring about the health of HTC or the unintended consequences in most of these wishes beyond the gee gollee wouldn't that be neat factor. We will never know how many golly gees inspired Hitech, or why keep the wishlist forum alive. For us long time players to intervene with our experience, or link Hitech's past responses to these clones of clones of cloned desires by subsequent new players. Is more likely to result in finding out how much some hate most people older than themselves for getting in the way of their instant gratification, and genius level displays of accumulated wisdom. I'm always shockingly humbled by these displays like edified in this post.
Unfortunately, at some point Hitech really has to intervene before the wishlist turns into a ridiculous generational blood bath of spirited exuberant intolerance.
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I agree with ReVo and Lucifer, we could do something like 1 hour of nighttime every other day...... Something like that.
The log-out stampede was something to remember.
Dogfighting in the Darkness. Really...?
- oldman
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Fugi,
Change for the novelty factor regardless of the outcome, is a normal desire by many who don't have to pay their employees on time every two weeks. As the customer, $14.95 entitles them to an opinion since this is the "Wishlist". As you can see many customers dislike defending their momentary urges made public in the arena of ideas visa socratic spirited debate. As urges are just that, opposed to spirited debatable ideas not defended by, you are an irrelevant old meeny and go fudge yourself because you are old and useless.
There is not 1:1 causation to caring about the health of HTC or the unintended consequences in most of these wishes beyond the gee gollee wouldn't that be neat factor. We will never know how many golly gees inspired Hitech, or why keep the wishlist forum alive. For us long time players to intervene with our experience, or link Hitech's past responses to these clones of clones of cloned desires by subsequent new players. Is more likely to result in finding out how much some hate most people older than themselves for getting in the way of their instant gratification, and genius level displays of accumulated wisdom. I'm always shockingly humbled by these displays like edified in this post.
Unfortunately, at some point Hitech really has to intervene before the wishlist turns into a ridiculous generational blood bath of spirited exuberant intolerance.
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Dogfighting in the Darkness. Really...?
- oldman
to hell with all your dogfighting.. you will sneak around in lancs in the dark and bomb strats and you will like it. :rolleyes:
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The log-out stampede was something to remember.
Dogfighting in the Darkness. Really...?
- oldman
p61 has something to say to you.
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Hitech, maybe we could bring it back and let it only last for 15-30mins..
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I don't have a problem with anyone wanting to play in the dark. I have a problem with it being shoved down my throat. Been there. It sucked. I've made this challenge before and I'll do it again here. Those that want to "test" night can go right ahead and set up a custom arena (once that's possible again--I know there's a problem with it now). Advertise the crap out of it. If there's a handful of people that enjoy it fine. I guarantee there won't be more than that. Have at it.
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Fugi,
As you can see, socratic debate sadly succeeds in eluding blu to the extreme. I suspect from this point on some form of screeching like a digested food slinging fight in the primate house will ensue. I would recommend donning your NorWester and hip boots. Possibly batten down a few hatches. Maybe ask one of your sons to translate.
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It was quite a few years ago that night was removed and a lot of people seem to be interested in trying it. I think we should give it a try again for a week or so with maybe 30 minutes of night every few hours. If people decide they don't like it again no harm done.
not entirely true. we have night on xmas eve for about 2 or 3 hours. numbers dont drop but only because hitech flies around and we all act like little kids who drank way too much.
then again it's xmas. after hitech does his yearly flight all the little drunk kids fall asleep pretty fast. and the numbers drop like they did several years ago.
semp
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The majority of people did not like it. So much so that there was a significant drop in numbers when night was running. And hence it no longer is the norm in the main arena.
HiTech
So could you make it 1 nite a week for an hour? True nite like Christmas?
I don't remember that ever being in the game.....
I remember a quassi Day/Night that we all had to adjust our gamma for but it never fully blacked out like we have on Christmas Eve.
:cheers:
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So could you make it 1 nite a week for an hour? True nite like Christmas?
I don't remember that ever being in the game.....
I remember a quassi Day/Night that we all had to adjust our gamma for but it never fully blacked out like we have on Christmas Eve.
:cheers:
Christmas eve is NOT blacked out.. its basically daytime with a dark sky (the ground is fully lit)..
Ive flown in a special event where it was truly blacked out as the CM had entered a wrong value or something.. it was unplayable.
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Christmas eve is NOT blacked out.. its basically daytime with a dark sky (the ground is fully lit)..
Ive flown in a special event where it was truly blacked out as the CM had entered a wrong value or something.. it was unplayable.
I'm not going to quibble if the moon is up or not and who cares what some CM did :rolleyes:
Compared to the "night" we had it is ....they are two totally different things.
We have never had Christmas eve night <darkness> in the main arena...except for Christmas eve...
Is that clear enough for you?
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I'm not going to quibble if the moon is up or not and who cares what some CM did :rolleyes:
Compared to the "night" we had it is ....they are two totally different things.
We have never had Christmas eve night <darkness> in the main arena...except for Christmas eve...
Is that clear enough for you?
+1
:cheers:
yeah and I don't even care. it doesn't make any difference, because xmas eve "nighttime" is basically just dusk with dark blue sky color.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img132/7470/n69g.jpg)
FFS, the terrain is still green. that is not "night".
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The night time in the Main Arena during Christmas looked much better than the night time I've seen in the custom arenas, especially when sitting in the cockpit of your plane. I remember I was amazed at how the indicator lights cast a glow over the rest of the dash. I understand why Night time isn't a normal thing in the MA, however, It would be fantastic if the lights could be turned off more than once a year.
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It would be fantastic if the lights could be turned off more than once a year.
After HiTech's comments, I doubt that will ever happen.
ack-ack
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you ever seen a JG11 squad night? It will feel like darkness with that luftwaffe cloud above you.
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you ever seen a JG11 squad night? It will feel like darkness with that luftwaffe cloud above you.
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many of the people that commented on it on 200 this last year was also the ones that whined about the night time flying in the first place and was part of the reason we lost night time flying
BZZZT! Wrong!
The reason HTC took away night time (one of the BEST moves this game has ever seen*) was because 90% + of all players logged off as soon as the game arena sun went down.
That's from Hitech's own words.
A few vocal minorities keep calling for it, but every time I ask somebody WHY the only answers that come up include:
- sneaking up on targets unseen
- bombing targets unseen
- doing something without being seen
- trying to find somebody to kill that doesn't know you're there.
- Capture bases under surprise NOE raids that can't be seen
FYI: All of these are an attempt to AVOID all fights if possible. The idea seems to be the folks that want "night time" back don't want to engage any enemy unless they're unaware and flying level.
You can do that crap offline, IMO.
* Night was bad, but the 30 mins+ of DAWN/DUSK was worse! Not dark enough to log, too dark to get anything done. It totally screwed with your monitor.
P.S. NO, I don't screw with my monitor gamma. I leave it set for the best color quality in daytime situations
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New arena just for night time, is not going to happen.
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not entirely true. we have night on xmas eve for about 2 or 3 hours. numbers dont drop but only because hitech flies around and we all act like little kids who drank way too much.
then again it's xmas. after hitech does his yearly flight all the little drunk kids fall asleep pretty fast. and the numbers drop like they did several years ago.
semp
Why are you so opposed to the idea of testing for one week? I am not suggesting that it be added permanently as a feature. If people complain and numbers drop during the thirty minutes of nighttime I would suggest for testing the idea then it can be put away again and you and Bustr can be smug on the BBS and say I told you so. Then everybody can promptly bury their heads back in the sand and go back to saying no to every single idea.
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Why are you so opposed to the idea of testing for one week? I am not suggesting that it be added permanently as a feature. If people complain and numbers drop during the thirty minutes of nighttime I would suggest for testing the idea then it can be put away again and you and Bustr can be smug on the BBS and say I told you so. Then everybody can promptly bury their heads back in the sand and go back to saying no to every single idea.
Because testing for one week still foists a major change in gameplay on everybody in the MA for that time period.
Wiley.
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Why are you so opposed to the idea of testing for one week? I am not suggesting that it be added permanently as a feature. If people complain and numbers drop during the thirty minutes of nighttime I would suggest for testing the idea then it can be put away again and you and Bustr can be smug on the BBS and say I told you so. Then everybody can promptly bury their heads back in the sand and go back to saying no to every single idea.
why dont you test it yourself. lower your gamma to make it night then go ahead and play. that's about how many would be playing in the night. even during xmas people were suggesting others to adjust gamma to make it lighter.
and I opposed it myself because it sucked back then. I never adjust gamma and died easily to those who did. once you realize that there wasnt truly a night back them with most adjusting gamma then the faster you realize that it isnt gonna change now.
and like I said you want to play in the dark, adjust your gamma. then come back and post your results.
semp
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yeah and I don't even care. it doesn't make any difference, because xmas eve "nighttime" is basically just dusk with dark blue sky color.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img132/7470/n69g.jpg)
FFS, the terrain is still green. that is not "night".
FINE :rofl ... It's Cool :) You can call it Bling if you wish I don't give a damn :)
Lots of folks like it and an hour or two a week would be nice :aok
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The night is a very dark time for me.
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Lots of folks like it and an hour or two a week would be nice :aok
:cheers:
And a vastly larger segment of the player base doesn't like it as was proven when we had night time in the arenas.
ack-ack
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And here I thought people might actually consider trying something for a change. :frown:
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And here I thought people might actually consider trying something for a change. :frown:
(http://www.getbullish.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ostrich-head-in-sand.jpg)
Why is it so difficult for you to accept that something you think is cool was tried, and reviled by the majority? It's not sticking your head in the sand to say "It's been done. People hated it and logged out in droves when it was on."
Between that and Hitech's comments on it it's pretty simple.
Wiley.
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And here I thought people might actually consider trying something for a change. :frown:
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Revo, buddy, they tried it, players didn't like it. People logged out of the arena, the night could be be beaten by turning up the gamma which made it unfair for people who didn't turn up the gamma.
It did not work.
Why try it again?
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Why is it so difficult for you to accept that something you think is cool was tried, and reviled by the majority? It's not sticking your head in the sand to say "It's been done. People hated it and logged out in droves when it was on."
Between that and Hitech's comments on it it's pretty simple.
Wiley.
We did something once ten years ago and it didn't work so we're simply going to bury our heads in the sand and never try it again no matter what might have changed in the meantime.
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What has changed?
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What has changed?
Most of the players who were around the first time are probably dead. :noid
I wasn't around the first time night was in the MA but I have flown at night both in custom arenas and offline and have never had any serious issue, I sure as hell didn't feel the need to turn the gamma up.
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Most of the players who were around the first time are probably dead. :noid
Replaced by players just like the one's that left
I wasn't around the first time night was in the MA but I have flown at night both in custom arenas and offline and have never had any serious issue, I sure as hell didn't feel the need to turn the gamma up.
Awesome, good for you, you think that's going to make any difference to the preponderance of players that will clutch on to anything that might give them an advantage? They will be changing their gamma.
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Most of the players who were around the first time are probably dead. :noid
I wasn't around the first time night was in the MA but I have flown at night both in custom arenas and offline and have never had any serious issue, I sure as hell didn't feel the need to turn the gamma up.
What we had ....It wasn't Night like Christmas
these squakers just want you to believe it was :aok
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When the owner/game designer/developer says night time will not return to the MA, you can pretty much bet that it means it's not coming. I don't know why people still insist on wishing for it when it's already been shown that it wasn't good for game play or business when it was around.
And to think, Revo was the one accusing us of sticking our heads in the sand.
ack-ack