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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: nrshida on April 01, 2014, 11:11:06 AM
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I was watching Kelly's Heros again recently and had to laugh at how Oddball's crew modified their Sherman tank especially the mechanical genius Moriarty tinkering with the engine so they could get out of trouble faster than they got into it.
I was thinking AH aircraft are one of the few things I use but don't / can't modify in some way so was wondering if I could modify my favourite AH plane what would I do?
So here are the rules of the game:
- Your modification has to be feasible for instance a mishmash of variants, armament which was fitted or tested in other variants or parts / features from similar types or prototypes for example. No hub cannons firing through radials, obviously.
- You can swap engines if they are reasonably compatible. There was a captured Spitfire for instance which the Germans fitted with a Daimler Benz engine, but suggesting a Tempest's Napier Sabre on the front of a Zero is silly and not allowed.
- You can strip out any unwanted part as long as you say why.
- You can source parts from allies or even enemy aircraft because parts might be stripped from captured aircraft, again as long as it's a feasible mod.
- You have a Moriarty in your ground crew, so say a 10% increase in power through tuning is a given, but any further engine mods, especially interesting ones are fair game.
- Only period mods allowed. For example you can't use any materials which weren't available such as Kevlar. Also no post-war developments or discoveries either.
- You can tinker with the shells or ordinance as long as it's within the scope of the home reloader / survivalist type.
- Paint schemes are open season.
What would you do?
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So sharks with friggin laser beams is out?
C-47 with rear twin 20 mm turret. :aok
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So sharks with friggin laser beams is out?
C-47 with rear twin 20 mm turret. :aok
P-51 with 4 20 mm Hispaniola
Bf-110g2 with the same Ap round as the stuka g2 in the 30mm canon :x
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I think you're bored. You have friends that think you should reactivate your account.
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I think Skuzzy should start deleting all of the complaint threads in the General Discussions. Will instantly make AH look 10x better. :aok
THEN we can get into the fun stuff. :) At which point, I want the 129 and the 88 with the 75mm gun. :x
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Wonder if they could shoehorn 6x20mm into a P47's wings...
F4U-4 with 4x20mm might be fun as well.
The 410 with 8x20mm (it was a field mod for one guy, name escapes me) would be interesting to try.
Failing those, I'd second the C-47 with guns, although I'd make it a top turret x4.
Hmm... I seem oddly fixated with larger gun packages...
Wiley.
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Henshel 123 would be cooler. ;)
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/germany/henshel-123.jpg)
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Henshel 123 would be cooler. ;)
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/germany/henshel-123.jpg)
I'd fly it! :x
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I'd do this to the P-38.
There was only one P-38K-1-LO built. This prototype (42-13558) combined a P-38G-10-LO airframe with more powerful 1425 hp V-1710-75/77 (V-1710F-15) engines, rated at over 1875 hp war emergency power. The engines were housed in nacelles similar to those of the P-38J and driving broader-chord propellers. In order to accommodate the new propellers it was necessary to increase the diamater of the propeller spinners slightly, which affected the top cowling lines and the interface at the oil cooler/intercooler inlet.
Tests of the P-38K were carried out between Feb 24 and Apr 30, 1943. The performance of the P-38K was quite a bit better than that of the production P-38J--in fact its performance was superior to all other fighters then in production in the USA, including the P-51B and the P-47D. Maximum speed at 29,600 feet was 432 mph. At 40,000 feet, maximum speed was 40 mph faster than that of the P-38J. It was expected that maximum speed at war emergency power could be as high as 450 mph. Initial climb rate was 4800 feet per minute, and an altitude of 20,000 could be reached in 5 minutes. Service ceiling was expected to be above 48,000 feet, and range was expected to be increased by 10 to 15 percent.
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I'd do this to the P-38.
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OMG, you cheat enough as it is already!
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I'd do this to the P-38.
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:huh I'd fly it... a lot.
Wiley.
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I wonder.. I'd gut the 30mm out of the 410s, the 13mm from the G6s, and the G2s engine.
Mod the E4 with 2x13mm in the nose and a 30mm in the Hub.
Retractable tail wheel.
Remove the MGFFs and smooth out the bumps, increasing roll rate.
Replace the canopy with curved plexi to have it Yak3 style but retaining the razorback, adding mirrors to the canopy ring.
Replace the spring loaded slats with 262 style ball bearing slats (which are not on the AH 262 :( )
Replace the 3 blade for a Spit14 style 5 blade prop
Worried about weight I'd adjust the ammo loads 500x13mm and 40x30mm, lower the power output to match a 3bladed; improving fuel efficiency so I could carry less fuel.
Keep it no more than 6400lb at full fuel.
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I'd hope my dudes could find a way to double the ammo capacity on the Yak3.... Perhaps at the expense of fuel storage, or armor, whatever.
Edit: I'd also steal Dolby's spiffy new Emil for a couple sorties... :rock
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The 410 with 8x20mm (it was a field mod for one guy, name escapes me) would be interesting to try.
:aok this.
I'm a big beleiver in massive overkill. When you shoot like I do you have to be. ;)
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Ooh... just thought of a good one.
Yank whatever it is that makes the 190A8 so pig-dog heavy to turn (added armor? optional package?) out of it.
Wiley.
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Ooh... just thought of a good one.
Yank whatever it is that makes the 190A8 so pig-dog heavy to turn (added armor? optional package?) out of it.
Wiley.
+1
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Mossie VI with two Griffon 65s (Spit XIV engine) and no .303s.
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I would put the Sabre engine in the Hellcat and take the 50's out and put hispanos in the wings...don't know if it would fly without tons of other mods but this is fantasy world so whatever... :)
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Mossie VI with two Griffon 65s (Spit XIV engine) and no .303s.
That reminds me of another one I've often wished for. Bf109-K4, with 12mm guns, ammo and mounts removed.
Wiley.
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Some great ones already! Lots of armament mods which is interesting. Some great engine refit ideas too.
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I for got to add, the JG5 skin Devil did, but paint the nose yellow :old:
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Just for kicks and giggles, take the Tu2's loadout of 88 submachine guns and use that concept in a plane with a larger bomb bay like the lanc.
I also vuagely remember reading in a book about a PT boat crew that took the turret off of a tank and placed it on the bow of thier boat for the extra firepower; they probably had to strip the turret down to the gun and the traversing ring gear to keep the boat from being too top heavy for sea but it still would be fun.
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Just for kicks and giggles, take the Tu2's loadout of 88 submachine guns and use that concept in a plane with a larger bomb bay like the lanc.
I also vuagely remember reading in a book about a PT boat crew that took the turret off of a tank and placed it on the bow of thier boat for the extra firepower; they probably had to strip the turret down to the gun and the traversing ring gear to keep the boat from being too top heavy for sea but it still would be fun.
it was only a 40mm and it was pt109-mr. kennedy was the skipper
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Ta-152 with the 4 bladed prop.
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it was only a 40mm and it was pt109-mr. kennedy was the skipper
It was a M3 37mm anti-tank gun at first and then later swapped it for the 37mm Oldsmobile cannon salvaged from a wrecked P-39.
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Wonder if they could shoehorn 6x20mm into a P47's wings...
Wiley.
I was going to post the same thing. Imagine the damage possibilities on ground targets. oof
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Dolby's well into this :banana: Have to rename it from 109 Emil to 109 Evil :devil
I like Karnak's mod. Ten bladed Mosquito would look fantastic. Have to get Moriarty to fettle those elevators to swing a bit further too!
Just for kicks and giggles, take the Tu2's loadout of 88 submachine guns...
Pointing down?
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Wonder if they could shoehorn 6x20mm into a P47's wings...
Wiley.
They could fit a couple of 20mm cannons on wing mounts.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/p47_34_20mm.jpg)
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Dolby's well into this :banana: Have to rename it from 109 Emil to 109 Evil :devil
I like Karnak's mod. Ten bladed Mosquito would look fantastic. Have to get Moriarty to fettle those elevators to swing a bit further too!
Pointing down?
30-45 degree downward angle :aok
Thanks lunatic and ack-ack for the clarifications. I always thought it was a larger caliber gun, but it was so long ago that I read the book things get blurred in the memory.
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30-45 degree downward angle :aok
Crikey. For use against infantry presumably?
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B-29 with forward firing 37mm guns from the P-39( I would say 2-3 between each engine), empty the bomb bay and fill it with downward firing 75mm guns from the B-25( maybe 4 or 5?) and make every gun position have quad 20's, like in the tail of the lanc! :devil
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They could fit a couple of 20mm cannons on wing mounts.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v687/Thunderbolt56/p47_34_20mm.jpg)
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If the ammo amount were decent you'd need a stick of dynamite to get me out of it.
Wiley.
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Fw-190D9 with the following modifications
Removal of the 13mm MG's, all radio equipment, and the aft fuel tank.
Modify flaps for high speed deployment, modify wings with leading edge slats.
Installation of the Jumo 213F. (Same engine used in the Ta-152 minus the intercooler)
Installation of a single MG151/20 in the nose.
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My list of mods.
FM2 with 2x 20mm Hispanos.
P38J with 2x 20mm Hispanos in the nose, and 2 .50 cals next to the cockpit on both sides.
P47M with 6 20mm Hispanos and 2 .50 cals in the nose.
Ki-84 with 4 cannons instead of 2 .50's and 2 20mm's.
A6M (32) with more armor and a better engine.
190A8 with 4x 30mm's in the wings and 2x 20mm's in the nose.
Typhoon with an even bigger engine and two .50's in the nose, along with the 20mm's replaced by 30mm's.
P51D with more rigid wing structure, bigger engine and more aerodynamic frame and the ability to carry 4x 1000 pound bombs, 10 rockets and a center racked 500 pound bomb, or 2x 1000 pound bombs, 16 rockets and a center racked 500 pound bomb. Basically a flying ball of destruction.
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I wonder.. I'd gut the 30mm out of the 410s, the 13mm from the G6s, and the G2s engine.
Mod the E4 with 2x13mm in the nose and a 30mm in the Hub.
Retractable tail wheel.
Remove the MGFFs and smooth out the bumps, increasing roll rate.
Replace the canopy with curved plexi to have it Yak3 style but retaining the razorback, adding mirrors to the canopy ring.
Replace the spring loaded slats with 262 style ball bearing slats (which are not on the AH 262 :( )
Replace the 3 blade for a Spit14 style 5 blade prop
Worried about weight I'd adjust the ammo loads 500x13mm and 40x30mm, lower the power output to match a 3bladed; improving fuel efficiency so I could carry less fuel.
Keep it no more than 6400lb at full fuel.
That is pretty extreme, but the 30mm MK103 is a no go in your setup. It won't fit. Physically impossible.
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That is pretty extreme, but the 30mm MK103 is a no go in your setup. It won't fit. Physically impossible.
prove it :old:
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I would take the inline engine out of the KI61 and put a radial in it! :old:
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I would take the inline engine out of the KI61 and put a radial in it! :old:
That sounds quite reasonable! Perhaps we could call it the Ki-100? :old:
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prove it :old:
Such proofs are already out there.
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I'd do this to the P-38.
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Why didn't they produce it Ack?
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KI-61 ....with the 109K4 DB 605DB or DC engine with MW 50 Methanol Water injection equipment and 4 hispanos in the wings with slightly larger flaps.... (your welcome Tongs :D )
P38..... Nothing...shes perfect just as she is :D
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190D, 4 blade prop added, wing 20mms and cowl guns removed, the 152's tater added to the prop hub, flaps enlarged, 109 style leading edge slats added.
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Such proofs are already out there.
So even heavily modified to fit, it wont fit... be right back...
MORIARTY!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious
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KI-61 ....with the 109K4 DB 605DB or DC engine with MW 50 Methanol Water injection equipment and 4 hispanos in the wings with slightly larger flaps.... (your welcome Tongs :D )
:aok :aok
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So even heavily modified to fit, it wont fit... be right back...
MORIARTY!!!!!!!!!!!! :furious
Just duct tape it to the engine cowling. :old:
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Just duct tape it to the engine cowling. :old:
lol
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I'd kind of like the F6F-6. Basically the same as the 5 but with an uprated R-2800 and a four bladed prop. There were a couple of F6F-6 prototypes built IIRC but no production examples as the engines were allocated to other aircraft like the F4U-4, P-47M or F8F.
Or going a bit more in the realms of fantasy, how about a Westland Whirlwind with Merlin engines rather than those awful Peregrines?
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(http://i.imgur.com/fAFsrga.gif)
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(http://i.imgur.com/fAFsrga.gif)
That never seems to be the end result when I try that. :frown:
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E wing for spit 9
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I'm surprised no 'jazz music' armament suggestions came up yet :old:
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I'm surprised no 'jazz music' armament suggestions came up yet :old:
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/arloguh03/jazz_armament_zps08829d4f.png)
That would be a French thing. Meg would ask for it if there was a French plane in the game. Oh, you actually meant the actual armament.
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P38..... Nothing...shes perfect just as she is :D
Pff, replace the P38's Allison's with counter-rotating DB605's.
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Nobody asked me what my mod would be <sniff> We'll I'm going to tell you anyway:
- Ki-84-Ia (what a shocker) with two cowl mounted Ho-5 20-mm cannon (as fitted to the Ki-84-II (Otsu)).
- Armament stripped from the wings to save weight and get rid of those annoying convergance issues.
- Underwing hard points removed for reduced drag & better acceleration.
- The longer rudder from the prototype with fettled pedals and cables for more movement (Moriarty!).
- Cut down prop from a Nakajima G8N (same engine). I'll just have to be careful on takeoff.
- Completely stripped of paint except for flat black anti-glare strip and some sign writing on the stab which says: 'How's my flying? Call 0800-up-your-nose-with-a-rubber-hose'.
:banana:
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Fw 190D9,add DB605,hub cannon,Mk103,cowl guns Mg151/15's 4 Mg151/20's in wings. MW50 for low alt,Nox for high alt.
:salute
PS: it's all about the guns! :devil
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Don't know if anyone's suggested this yet: How about option to put RATO packs on my P51, along with replacing 50-cals with four 20-mm. Imagine someone trying to boom-n-zoom you, only to have you light those off and catch them at the top of their zoom. :neener:
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That sounds quite reasonable! Perhaps we could call it the Ki-100? :old:
Fantastic idea! :aok :D
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Come to think of it I think a stripped down Pony with the auxiliary fuel tank removed, the engine swapped with a Griffon, five blade prop, and a pair of Hispano's in place of the .50's might be interesting.
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Come to think of it I think a stripped down Pony with the auxiliary fuel tank removed, the engine swapped with a Griffon, five blade prop, and a pair of Hispano's in place of the .50's might be interesting.
I think it would be like a Tempest
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I think it would be like a Tempest
I think the flaps might give it an edge over the tempest, especially at low speed.
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My field mod would be simple: Remove Mk 108 cannon from my 109K4. Install an MG 151/20.
Or HTC could just put the 109G10 back into the game for me. :aok :cheers:
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P-38 with;
two Ta-152 engines
Olds. 37mm in each hub
(4) 20 mm in nose
Lengthened cockpit with dual .50 cal rear turret
RATOs
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30mm KI61 :rock
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My field mod would be simple: Remove Mk 108 cannon from my 109K4. Install an MG 151/20.
Or HTC could just put the 109G10 back into the game for me. :aok :cheers:
Those are not the same thing.
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P-38 with;
two Ta-152 engines
Olds. 37mm in each hub
(4) 20 mm in nose
Lengthened cockpit with dual .50 cal rear turret
RATOs
Why would you want to put in a crappy cannon like the Oldsmobile?
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F4U-4 with 2x 20 mm Hispanos instead of 6 mg's, remove wing-folding and arrestor hook, add leading-edge slats.
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What about the engine of an F4U-4 in an La-7? Is that allowed? It's only a few inches larger in diameter than the La-7 engine, but not a simple mod -- would require cowling mods, potentially lengthening of fuselage, and potentially larger rudder/vertical stab.
If that is allowed, then: La-7 with R-2800-18W, four-blade prop to match, and better flaps than it currently has, with one notch of flaps deployable at higher speeds.
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Bf 109K-4 with the wings and tail of a FW 190D-9 (scaled for appropriate wing area for the 109K-4). Retain leading-edge slats. Add flaps that can deploy at higher speeds. Replace 30 mm nose cannon with two wing-mounted 20 mm with lots of ammo.
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This would be Waffle's fantasy plane.
(http://i.imgur.com/nEPEMbt.gif)
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Why would you want to put in a crappy cannon like the Oldsmobile?
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We got lucky, the 213C would have been mountable in the K4 and Ta152.
These would work much better.
The Mauser MG 213 was a 20 mm aircraft-mounted revolver cannon developed for the Luftwaffe during World War II. It was never put into service, but the principles formed the basis for several post-war developments by the Allies. A 30 mm version was developed as the MG 213C or MK 213 and it was this that led to the British ADEN, French DEFA and American M39 cannon.
20-mm-MG213C:
##Caliber: 20 × 146 mm
##Weight: 75 kg; Assembled weight 96 kg
##Lenght: 1930 mm
##Barrel lenght: 1600 mm
##Rate of fire: 1200–1400 rounds/min (~21 rounds/s)
##Muzzle velocity: 1050 m/s
30-mm-MK213C:
##Caliber: 30 × 146 mm
##Weight: 75 kg; Assembled weight 96 kg
##Lenght: 1630 mm
##Barrel lenght: 1300 mm
##Rate of fire: 1000–1200 rounds/min (~19 rounds/s)
##Muzzle velocity: 530 m/s
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Can we do vehicles as well? If so :
M4 with the Centurion VII's armor, the T28's gun, and a 20mm anti-air gun( instead of the .50)