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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Dragon Tamer on April 07, 2014, 02:48:33 PM
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I don't have any info on this skin yet, other than that it served in 1 Squadriglia, 1 Stormo. If anyone could lend a helping hand towards research that would be great.
The skin isn't quite done, I see a few little things I need to patch up now that I have shots of it from in game, the most obvious being the exhaust stains that don't quite line up on the wing.
(http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad258/DragonTamer1X/Planes/C205testflightshot1.png)
(http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/ad258/DragonTamer1X/Planes/C205testflightshot2.png)
(http://www.finn.it/regia/immagini/macchi/macchi_c205_veltro_serie_III_mm92219.jpg)
(http://www.aviationgraphic.com/1161-1962-thickbox/c205v-veltro-1-3-anr-cc-20.jpg)
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DT, that looks beautiful - awesome work!
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Sweet!
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Nice
(The 8 is in the wrong font, notice the straightened sides)
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Guy met a sad end. Shot in the back after surrendering.....
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Is that mottling or is it supposed to be printed like that?
Great looking skin.
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Just realized how stupid I am... :bhead
All the info I needed was in the last picture I posted.
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The mottling on the fuselage is visibly much less sharp on the edges in the photo (there's actually no sharpness, it's mottling, more or less random splotches with a spray gun). It's also two-tone like on Luftwaffe aircraft (this is most easily observed on the vertical stabilizer). Also the font isn't all that great of an approximation, the eight in particular is not very similar to the eight on the fuselage of the photographed aircraft.
Also, your wing marking are incorrect, they are the Fasces of the RA instead of the ANR, and they are clearly visible to be white on the upper wing surface in the photograph.
The photography also shows red ones emblazoned on the fairings of the landing gear
In general the proportions of all of your markings appear to be off, and the solid cover of the upper surfaces appears to come further down the fuselage than you have it.
You also have white wing caps for which there is no evidence in the photograph or profile.
There is almost certainly a two-tone splinter pattern on the upper fuselage and horizontal stabilizers like on Luftwaffe aircraft (the ISR was essentially a puppet state of Nazi Germany and the ANR likewise closely related to the Luftwaffe), of which there is also evidence of in the photograph.
You can also see in the photograph that the markings are done in a glossier paint than the rest of the aircraft. Thanks to the spec mapping system, this can be reflected in the skin, and honestly really should be.
The photo also allows you to reflect on things such as relative panel line depth, which was not the same across the aircraft as it is often portrayed in AH skins, and the deformation of control surfaces, which is often overdone. Fixing these issues is a good way to make your skin stand out.
Nice start but needs much more research and attention to detail. You have a nice large photograph which shows the plane from a good angle to get a lot of reference from, you should suck all of the information you can out of it.
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Absolutely beautiful rendition DT~ with a little tweaking you will have a very faithful reproduction. Very impressed~ Can't wait to see your 56fg Silver Lady. I posted a few pics and profiles of her in Greebo's post and there are images all over the web and the Little Friends site. :aok +1
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The mottling on the fuselage is visibly much less sharp on the edges in the photo (there's actually no sharpness, it's mottling, more or less random splotches with a spray gun). It's also two-tone like on Luftwaffe aircraft (this is most easily observed on the vertical stabilizer). Also the font isn't all that great of an approximation, the eight in particular is not very similar to the eight on the fuselage of the photographed aircraft.
Also, your wing marking are incorrect, they are the Fasces of the RA instead of the ANR, and they are clearly visible to be white on the upper wing surface in the photograph.
The photography also shows red ones emblazoned on the fairings of the landing gear
In general the proportions of all of your markings appear to be off, and the solid cover of the upper surfaces appears to come further down the fuselage than you have it.
You also have white wing caps for which there is no evidence in the photograph or profile.
There is almost certainly a two-tone splinter pattern on the upper fuselage and horizontal stabilizers like on Luftwaffe aircraft (the ISR was essentially a puppet state of Nazi Germany and the ANR likewise closely related to the Luftwaffe), of which there is also evidence of in the photograph.
You can also see in the photograph that the markings are done in a glossier paint than the rest of the aircraft. Thanks to the spec mapping system, this can be reflected in the skin, and honestly really should be.
The photo also allows you to reflect on things such as relative panel line depth, which was not the same across the aircraft as it is often portrayed in AH skins, and the deformation of control surfaces, which is often overdone. Fixing these issues is a good way to make your skin stand out.
Nice start but needs much more research and attention to detail. You have a nice large photograph which shows the plane from a good angle to get a lot of reference from, you should suck all of the information you can out of it.
All the issues have been addressed except the splintering on the top of the fuselage. While I know that 109s that served in this group did use two tone splintering and many of the C.205s had some sort of splintering on the top, I found no evidence that this particular one had it. However, the tops of the wings are still likely to have some sort of splintering. I doubt that they would have left such a large surface area a solid color.
Photobucket isn't cooperating right now, I will upload screen shots when it is working again.
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When you know something should be there, look a bit harder for it. The grays used for the splinter pattern did not contrast very well in black and white images. It's hard to make them out even in Luftwaffe aircraft, which is why most people also skin/profile these aircraft as having one upper surface color with only the wings splintered. But this just isn't how the aircraft were painted.
Playing with image properties can help.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/splintercamo_zps6ba684a1.jpg)
It's hard to tell whether there is a glare in the middle of the engine fairing that makes it look as though there's a splinter, or if there's actually a splinter (either would make sense, I haven't seen enough ANR aircraft to really make a judgement based on precedent, although I think I might assume that this was actually just glare), but the front of the fairing and the bit near the tail really show that this aircraft had a two-tone upper camouflage just like the rest. There's a head blocking one of the demarcations that can hide the effect a little bit, but once the contrast is cranked you can see it quite clearly. It's also not just the effect of the canopy, as the canopy is only shadowing portions of that area while the entire area is darker than the rearmost part behind the man's head, and also comparing the two colors to the different colors of mottling visible on the aircraft.
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So it is mottling, I thought maybe I was seeing things.
What I do for mottling dragon tamer is I make them sorta how you did in the photo you posted, then I add a Gaussian to soften the edges then I take a brush and I soften up the edges more.
After weathering it should look good.
I don't know how others do it.
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So it is mottling, I thought maybe I was seeing things.
What I do for mottling dragon tamer is I make them sorta how you did in the photo you posted, then I add a Gaussian to soften the edges then I take a brush and I soften up the edges more.
After weathering it should look good.
I don't know how others do it.
That's exactly how I went about fixing mine. I kept the weathering to a minimum though because the aircraft was in service for only a year.
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hello,nice effort. there a couple more things that need work.....the emblem on the front of the nose is incorrect. that emblem is called an ASSO. it is italian for ace, but the symbol is from the italian 40 card playing deck used to play the game scopa!(sweep). find a neapolitan card deck and look at that symbol for that particular suit...the other asso(aces) are different in the other suits. also the border around the square national flag is actually a three color border,its black and white and gold(darkyellow) and in the proper pattern gives it a sewn on effect.it is of course painted on.
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here are two good pages for color depictions of both visconti's c205 and gorrini's c205
http://digilander.iol.it/dreamswings/H%20Galleria%20Italia%20C.%20205%20Visconti%20.htm
http://www.plasticmodelsworld.com/node/695
after all, you have to do a skin of the top c205 pilot.....GORRINI
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(http://www.eaf51.org/newweb/IMMAGINI/Macchi/4.jpg)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ym5o5D7dgQ8/UTHWgUhmKCI/AAAAAAAARnY/bpR96-tkH0c/s1600/v2.jpg)
(http://www.eaf51.org/newweb/IMMAGINI/Piloti/Visconti%203.gif)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Nj1xZpgxFwY/Tv705zRAmBI/AAAAAAAALdY/uuZykEMHz9c/s1600/MMJHH.jpg)
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Now that, THAT, is a mustache !!! He looks like Freddie Mercury.
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Adriano Visconti was great Italian ace and hero. :salute
commie murdered him :(
"...On April 29, 1945, Visconti surrendered to communist partisans near Malpensa airfield, Milan, only after he was assured that none of the air and ground personnel of his unit would be killed in retaliatory attacks. His safety was assured by the mayor of Milan as well, when he was first taken for interrogation. Visconti and the other officers were taken on two buses to the barracks of Savoy Cavalry (Savoia Cavalleria) in via Vincenzo Monti. The barracks was then the command of National Republican Guard Intendancy (Intendenza of Guardia Nazionale Repubblicana). There, at 2 p.m., Visconti and Lieutenant (tenente) Valerio Stefanini, his close collaborator, were seemingly taken for a routine interrogation. They were both shot in the back by a Russian bodyguard of the communist partisan leader "Iso". The Russian was charged with murder but was later discharged because the crime had occurred before 8 May 1945, the official end of the war in Italy, and was therefore considered an act of war..."
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(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/8a9d0645-62a1-4647-ab8c-f31fab1379e9_zps7cbc43ef.png)
note the top of the wing camo and wing tip tops
:salute
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(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz281/Megalodon2/8a9d0645-62a1-4647-ab8c-f31fab1379e9_zps7cbc43ef.png)
note the top of the wing camo and wing tip tops
:salute
Sadly I already submitted the skin for review, I'll send an email to HTC and see if they can remove it. They haven't started their review of it yet.