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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rogwar on April 09, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
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I love that little girl. She's my favorite GoT character particularly after watching S04E01. Also now half way through the 3rd book and have enjoyed watching her develop. She's a bit extra special to me because I have a deadly daughter as well. :cheers:
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I finally had a chance to watch it last night and must agree 100%. Although she is lucky to be alive to do it after, like a Stark, running carelessly into a no win situation, her revenge was perfectly executed.
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That tavern scene was great...awesome lines from the big guy.
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the big guy.
the Hound, He is pretty damn cool.
My favorite GoT character is Varys.
It was a good season opener.
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Better is to come. In the books this season was probably the best book.
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I love that little girl. She's my favorite GoT character particularly after watching S04E01. Also now half way through the 3rd book and have enjoyed watching her develop. She's a bit extra special to me because I have a deadly daughter as well. :cheers:
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Arya gets even better in book 5. :O :aok
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I think she is starting to enjoy killing too much.... :D
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A Storm of Swords is most readers favorite book - so much great stuff happened. Personally it's mine, although the Davos chapter of A Clash of Kings when they assault King's Landing by sea with Stannis's fleet is by far my favorite chapter of all the books.
George RR Martin recently released a new teaser chapter from his next book, The Winds of Winter, and it's an "Arya" point of view chapter, where she kills somebody on her list again. I won't spoil the who/what/when/where/why, but it's over at George's site of you want to read it yourself.
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/
I exchange emails/etc with Elio Garcia fairly regularly. You probably don't have any bells ringing, but you will soon. He's the webmaster for Westeros.org, and is currently working on a book co-written with George Martin about the entire world of A Song of Ice and Fire, with data and information about absolutely EVERYTHING about the entire world that's been created, past present future. It's a huge endeavor, and should be out this year I've been told.
One thing that is a fan favorite is the Valaryian steel swords in the series. "Dark Sister" was the sword used by one of the original Targaryen sister who invaded Westeros with the original Targaryens. It's quite the Chekov's gun in my opinion, considering how often that sword has come up in the books, lore, and Dunk and Egg novellas - I think Arya will end up with it somehow, as she is quite the "dark sister" herself now in the current books, especially with the latest teaser chapter.
Arya is also the author's wife's favorite character, and he's stated several times that if he does any harm to her, he'll be sleeping on the couch indefinitely. We'll see I guess.
Anyhow, I agree that she's a great character, and Masie Williams has done a fantastic job portraying her on the TV series.
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Let's just hope great characters don't die anymore :pray
That damn Joffrey on the other hand...
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Joffrey reminds me of Kazza :old:
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It was an awesome scene.
I had to use it at work this week. I brought in Kentucky Fried Chicken for the guys, and added, "Andy says that if I don't shut my c*&% mouth, he's going to have to eat all the Kentucky Fried Chicken in the room."
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Valar Morghulis
All men must die.
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I love GoT. I know at that time I have a whole hour without ack interruptions.
Last month was the best....sky put on a pop up channel leading into the new season...they played all of the last three seasons 1 episode per night for the month....it was bliss....only time I've really thought, wow, pay TV is great hahahaha
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Joffrey reminds me of Kazza :old:
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Oh dear lawd, you're so right! :rofl
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A Storm of Swords is most readers favorite book - so much great stuff happened. Personally it's mine, although the Davos chapter of A Clash of Kings when they assault King's Landing by sea with Stannis's fleet is by far my favorite chapter of all the books.
George RR Martin recently released a new teaser chapter from his next book, The Winds of Winter, and it's an "Arya" point of view chapter, where she kills somebody on her list again. I won't spoil the who/what/when/where/why, but it's over at George's site of you want to read it yourself.
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/excerpt-from-the-winds-of-winter/
I exchange emails/etc with Elio Garcia fairly regularly. You probably don't have any bells ringing, but you will soon. He's the webmaster for Westeros.org, and is currently working on a book co-written with George Martin about the entire world of A Song of Ice and Fire, with data and information about absolutely EVERYTHING about the entire world that's been created, past present future. It's a huge endeavor, and should be out this year I've been told.
One thing that is a fan favorite is the Valaryian steel swords in the series. "Dark Sister" was the sword used by one of the original Targaryen sister who invaded Westeros with the original Targaryens. It's quite the Chekov's gun in my opinion, considering how often that sword has come up in the books, lore, and Dunk and Egg novellas - I think Arya will end up with it somehow, as she is quite the "dark sister" herself now in the current books, especially with the latest teaser chapter.
Arya is also the author's wife's favorite character, and he's stated several times that if he does any harm to her, he'll be sleeping on the couch indefinitely. We'll see I guess.
Anyhow, I agree that she's a great character, and Masie Williams has done a fantastic job portraying her on the TV series.
So a Silmarillion for the game of thrones world? If that is the case, awesome.
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So a Silmarillion for the game of thrones world?
Blasphemy.
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I'll be sure to listen to the "rains of castamere" when she perishes
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the king is dead !!! lil salamander was poisoned :aok
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the king is dead !!! lil salamander was poisoned :aok
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The best thing about this series is all the "didn't see that one coming" episodes.....damned sure keeps you coming back to see what happens next.....although I kinda enjoyed hating the little puke.
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Ya the little prik is dead.
The question is who killed him? The answer might surprise you.
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Ya the little prik is dead.
The question is who killed him? The answer might surprise you.
some think it was the wine,but they showed dead birds in the pie for a brief second after the lil prik cut it open :noid
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(http://i.imgur.com/9CwjPtU.gif)
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The question is who killed him? The answer might surprise you.
Spoilers below:
Nobody knows for certain yet, rumor has it that it might be revealed in the next book. There are some strong theories regarding who is responsible so far as the story in the novels, and I think this may be the first occasion where the TV adaptation gives away some "solid" fact prior to it being revealed in the novels. I base this on the preview/promo for episode 3 of season 4, the 40 second clip has the Queen of Thorns saying something provocative regarding this, but until the episode airs, nothing is for certain. She is certainly the front runner for the most likely candidate so far as the storyline in the books is concerned, but it hasn't been verified yet as "certain". Over at Westoros.org, the official fan site, there are thousands of threads regarding this topic, and although there are strong candidates for the culprit, all agree that GRRM hasn't officially given us the guilty party...yet.
I will say that when it was revealed in A Dance With Dragons who killed John Arryn, the hand of the king prior to Ned Stark, it was a person who wasn't necessarily the front runner in terms of the dozen or so popular theories as to who poisoned him. I know it surprised me, and it was a fantastically written POV chapter of my favorite character to read about in the series. This is one of many of the great things about GRRM's writing and books - due to all the complexities and plots within plots, it can be very difficult to accurately predict the results of long standing mysteries, and it's an excellent device he's used in order to keep readers coming back for more.
I'm looking forward to this next week's episode, it should be pretty good stuff. As I said before in this thread, the book "A World of ASOIAF" should be out later this year, maybe even by summer, and there is strong rumors flying around about George RR Martin releasing some information regarding the date Winds of Winter will be released. Exciting times for any fan, to be sure. I'm glad so many guys here at AH are into it, we should have some good discussions about it in the future.
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Queens of Thorns? Maybe. She certainly had reason, I mean who wants a demented grandson coming from that spawn? I read the books too and i thought it was decided who did it but i cant remember. Maybe it wasnt, some of those books were ponderous.
One question? Was Sansa wearing the fool knights mothers necklace during the wedding? Those stones may have been more then stones in it. They might have been little prik choking concoctions. I do remember the pie was not blamed in the book cause a lot of people ate from it. It was definitely the wine.
Now Old lady Tyrell had plenty of reason to whack him out. It was a win win. Get rid of the demented Joffrey and Margaery will be forced to marry little Tommen, who will be far easier to control and in time probably far better suited to make little princes and princesses then that sick little prik Joffrey, who's primary interest was torture. I mean this boy had serious issues and had he lived would have eventually lost everything due to insanity.
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Spoilers below
Nobody knows for certain yet, rumor has it that it might be revealed in the next book.
I read all the books, I though Joffrey was poisoned by Sir Dontos 'the fool' at Little Finger's behest? Isn't that how Sansa's escape with Little Finger to the Vale is timed?
At the end of last weeks episode, Dontos tells Sansa to come with him to leave if she wants to live at the end. In later episodes, Little Finger will spirit Sansa out of King's Landing. This shows that Dontos and Little Finger were working in collusion to poison Joffrey.
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I read all the books, I though Joffrey was poisoned by Sir Dontos 'the fool' at Little Finger's behest? Isn't that how Sansa's escape with Little Finger to the Vale is timed?
At the end of last weeks episode, Dontos tells Sansa to come with him to leave if she wants to live at the end. In later episodes, Little Finger will spirit Sansa out of King's Landing. This shows that Dontos and Little Finger were working in collusion to poison Joffrey.
Might be. But it was never established "why" Little Finger wanted Sansa at the time. I cant remember if he ever intended to marry her after he whacked....oh no more spoilers. Honestly I forgot much of the books anyways. The last one was murder to get thru.
They did handle Shae differently this time around tho. Of course we know where she really is but none of that was in the book tho Im sure her eventual destiny will be the same.
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Might be. But it was never established "why" Little Finger wanted Sansa at the time. I cant remember if he ever intended to marry her after he whacked....oh no more spoilers. Honestly I forgot much of the books anyways. The last one was murder to get thru.
I know what you mean, I start losing track of all the characters and who's who. His book needs an index.
I think Little Finger wants Sansa either to marry to gain title, or use as a bargaining chip being the last known living Stark.
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All of these are very plausible, and possible theories, but again, there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of threads at the fan sites for ASOIAF and GoT regarding this, as it's one of the most discussed mysteries of the book. "Ponderous" - that's an excellent adjective to describe the books really, and they are very lengthy, and also IMO they are greater than the sum of their parts, making them even MORE complex.
Sir Dontos its been established (at least it's been agreed by most that it's been established) was working for Baelish, and although he was an integral part of helping Sansa escape, most agree that based on what GRRM wrote, was not the one who dropped the "strangler" in the wine. There is much in the books that does in fact point to the necklace (a hairnet in the books) Sansa wore, "moonstone" gems, having been made up of disolvable "strangler" poison pellets, not stones. Ser Dontos's character was given a little more of an arc in this episode, as this is the end of the entire Dontos line in both book and TV - it was his ancestors that kidnapped the "mad king" before he was "mad", and it was Ser Barristan who rescued said king, and killed many of the Dontos's to do so. The mad king ordered the entire family executed in his first real fit of madness, but Barristan argued to save the life of the last infant son, which was Ser Dontos. So, even though it's such a small role and character, Ser Dontos is a very important part of the whole shtick of the mad king. This little bit just goes to show how impossibly complex the entire story is, as this isn't really talked about much, being only a paragraph in a single book of the series.
Anyhow, back on topic -" Maester Ballabar and Maester Frenken confirm at Tyrion’s trial that a throat-constricting poison was used to kill Joffrey. In the series thus far, we only know of one such poison...the Strangler. On page 20 on A Clash of Kings, Maester Cressen makes the Strangler out of crystals strikingly similar to those on Sansa’s hairnet--small and colored deep purple. It comes from a leaf grown near Asshai. And, coincidentally, on page 914, Dontos gives Sansa the hairnet and says the crystals are from Asshai.
So it seems the Strangler was the weapon used. But did Olenna use it? It seems quite likely. On page 672 of A Storm of Swords, Olenna does come and straighten Sansa’s hairnet, giving her a prime opportunity to grab a crystal. And she does...on 686, Sansa notes that one crystal is missing from her hairnet. And Olenna certainly had a chance to drop in it Joffrey’s drink...on page 681, she comes tottering up with Margaery to talk while Tyrion is pouring Joffrey’s wine.
Just as one last confirmation, we have a third-party who also states it was the Strangler in Sansa’s hairnet that killed Joffrey...though not so directly. As the Ghost of High Heart prophecizes on page 491:
“I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs...”
The dream matches Joffrey’s murder exactly.
I pieced this together from a couple different discussions on various fan sites.
Also:
Breaking Bad - the index you ask for is coming, I mentioned in the thread already a couple of times, "A World of ASOIAF" is going to be out this year, written from the perspective of a Maestor of the Citidel recording a complete history of all things known in the world of Westeros, Essos, and beyond. You should be able to look up everything and anything there, sort of an Encyclopedia Westeros.
Regarding Baelish/Sansa - in the most recent book, Petyr has made plays already to bring Sansa into his fold, and it's widely agreed the moves he's making in this regard are to help him claim the North in her name, either through he himself, or some vassal he marries her off to. It's a really interesting political angle to the whole story.
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I defer to Gmans encyclopedic knowledge of plot. Another item on the wish list is a more detailed map of the GoT lands. I've found the maps hit or miss in following the plots and where someone is at.
Regarding Olenna, cui bono? It would benefit the Tyrell family had the king Joffry been poisoned after the wedding, as then Margaery would have been queen.
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Breaking Bad, ask and ye shall receive (see below for the requested map). Also, there is nothing to defer, we're in agreement, and besides, even if we weren't, the great thing about discussing ASOIAF theories that haven't been set in stone by the author yet, is that there is no wrong answers, it's all just opinion. That's what makes this book series so fantastic, it generates a lot of fan interest and discussions regarding the vast possibilities regarding the mysteries in the plot.
http://quartermaester.info/
That should get you started off, I have other sources I can give you, but that should keep you interested for a day or so at least, hah.
If you have an Android or Apple device - Ipad/Ipod/Phone/Tablet/whatever, there is a free app called "World of Ice and Fire" which has a fantastic interactive map as well, integrating many characters, events, and the like to a map of the entire world of A Song of Ice and Fire.
http://www.georgerrmartin.com/grrm_book/george-r-r-martins-a-world-of-ice-and-fire-mobile-app/
Regarding your Olenna point - very valid point, I've read much about this precise idea a great deal, and I agree. It was a large risk on her part if she indeed was the culprit, to poison and kill Joffrey prior to or even during the wedding, as by Westerosi law, unless the wedding is consummated - this is why their custom of "bedding" of high borns is so important, to ensure that the couple actually does the deed - the marriage can be set aside easily by both religious and legal authorities. So, technically Margery is NOT the Queen at that moment in time when Joffrey chokes and dies, as they hadn't done the horizontal mamba yet. I'm sure the Tyrells involved in the plot, if they in fact were, were fairly certain that they could convince the Lannisters to marry Tommen to their beloved Margaery in order to honor and keep their critical alliance intact, but again, as you pointed out BreakingBad, it was a pretty huge risk. This very point is one of the reasons detractors of the theory that the Tyrell family killed Joffrey base their arguments upon.
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In case anyone missed it the first time around...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Krz-dyD-UQ
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