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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: jarbo on April 13, 2014, 12:20:54 AM
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GIVEN: ENY inhibits player plane choices when differences occur.............
GIVEN: ENY is based on player online; not inflight........
GIVEN: ENY design won't change...............
Why doesn't HTC boot inactive players after 1-2 hours?
Tonight with 1/2 country in tower this condition is discouraging.
After 15 years of online play, i am beginning to look elsewhere; hope there is resolution to this condition!
Jarbo
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Just quit man. It's too hard for you
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GIVEN: ENY inhibits player plane choices when differences occur.............
GIVEN: ENY is based on player online; not inflight........
GIVEN: ENY design won't change...............
Why doesn't HTC boot inactive players after 1-2 hours?
Tonight with 1/2 country in tower this condition is discouraging.
After 15 years of online play, i am beginning to look elsewhere; hope there is resolution to this condition!
Jarbo
yes there's is a resolution. stop looking elsewhere and play the damn game :).
semp
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D-11?
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You should come play "Operation Kill The Crab" with me, squaddies and friends some time!
OR
WHEN the custom arenas get fixed I'll treat ya to some good staged missions that'll boost your spirit!
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My only problem with the ENY limiter is that enemy 262s fly unopposed. I would happily pay triple the perkcost to roll a 262 against them.
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GIVEN: ENY inhibits player plane choices when differences occur.............
GIVEN: ENY is based on player online; not inflight........
GIVEN: ENY design won't change...............
Why doesn't HTC boot inactive players after 1-2 hours?
Tonight with 1/2 country in tower this condition is discouraging.
After 15 years of online play, i am beginning to look elsewhere; hope there is resolution to this condition!
Jarbo
Now this is something new and different.
Thanks for posting.
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Woner a limp boner....?
Just asking
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Jarbo!! You can't leave us bud..what about those missions:) :salute
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Yes
Resistance is futile :old:
You are part of the collective :old:
Is it because i own you in the Yak9T?
You cannot leave we would all miss you
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The games evolves so slowly that it can be frustrating, especially with glaring issues like ENY, or maps.
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I can see the validity of your points. Going up against jets with no trump card does seem unfair even though most jets are avoidable. The presumed design scenario doesn't typically pan out. The high number side is often getting beat up badly on both fronts. On the micro level, any given skirmish is no different between the high numbers side and low numbers side. The only thing it can do is, assuming the high numbers side typically will advance the war effort quicker, is slow them down some, which just slows down how often maps change. Is that the purpose of it? It doesn't encourage side switching to balance much anymore since htc upped the switch time to 12 hours. If you switch you are stuck. Also, since aces high is a social game with squads, if you have six squad mates on and you want to switch sides but one squad mate can't switch because he switched earlier that day, then it would be rude to them to switch, so you are stuck.
I'd like to hear from the horses mouth the design purpose and intent of eny. It doesn't fairly address imbalance of local fights in a 3 country war.
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We've beat this one silly many times in the past. :bhead IMHO, and based on what I've seen in the past, free side switching would be bad for this game. :uhoh
No matter what ideas people come up with to boot players who aren't really playing, there's a way to game it.
We should be focusing on those players who, quite often, stay logged on but aren't doing anything.
Ask them to log off so others can enjoy the game as intended. Ask them why they're screwing their fellow countrymen out of the chance to enjoy this game too. :furious
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Many online games kick you out if you've been afk for a set amount of time, and it tends to be short. Why not simply implement a 10 minute rule? If you've been more than 10 minutes in the tower, you get kicked. This way, players who are afk wouldn't affect eny as much. And if you've been looking at war status and chatting for 10 minutes without flying anything, you'll just have to spend 10 seconds reconnecting again. Those are my 2 cents... :bolt:
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:)
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...If you've been more than 10 minutes in the tower, you get kicked....
This would be awesome. Imagine a whole bish horde booted while planning their next dirty deed. :ahand
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Plenty of perfectly good high ENY aircraft you can fly. Not every sortie has to be in a Runstang/Spit16.
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Many online games kick you out if you've been afk for a set amount of time, and it tends to be short. Why not simply implement a 10 minute rule? If you've been more than 10 minutes in the tower, you get kicked. This way, players who are afk wouldn't affect eny as much. And if you've been looking at war status and chatting for 10 minutes without flying anything, you'll just have to spend 10 seconds reconnecting again. Those are my 2 cents... :bolt:
And what would stop someone from spawning a tank and parking it under a tree someplace for 8-10 hours?
ENY needs to be more area specific than arena specific.
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D-11?
400+ kills per tour, never an ENY issue and perks galore! :aok
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The ENY and SIDE SWITCHING issues have been brought up so many times for so long, it baffles me that HTC doesn't address the issue. It's clearly a FACT that the majority of their PAYING CUSTOMERS disagree with the theory. It is the customers that play EVERYDAY and see the negative effects of it.
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The ENY and SIDE SWITCHING issues have been brought up so many times for so long, it baffles me that HTC doesn't address the issue. It's clearly a FACT that the majority of their PAYING CUSTOMERS disagree with the theory. It is the customers that play EVERYDAY and see the negative effects of it.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with ENY, sideswitching is another story.
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Just as a point of reference, ENY is only a negative factor when it inhibits you. :D
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Just as a point of reference, ENY is only a negative factor when it inhibits you. :D
+1 :)
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The ENY and SIDE SWITCHING issues have been brought up so many times for so long, it baffles me that HTC doesn't address the issue. It's clearly a FACT that the majority of their PAYING CUSTOMERS disagree with the theory. It is the customers that play EVERYDAY and see the negative effects of it.
Because almost all players forget or were not here before the implementations of ENY. Before it was implemented a country could be out numbered drastically for months at a time. Not a few hours. The few complaints about ENY are nothing like the gnawing of teeth were before ENY was implemented.
Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower, and hence kicking them out would not have any impact on the ENY. In fact if you believe it could lower the ENY , it could just as easily raise the ENY.
HiTech
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The ENY and SIDE SWITCHING issues have been brought up so many times for so long, it baffles me that HTC doesn't address the issue. It's clearly a FACT that the majority of their PAYING CUSTOMERS disagree with the theory. It is the customers that play EVERYDAY and see the negative effects of it.
No offense, but I don't know if you should go as far to say its a fact that the majority of their paying customers disagree with the theory. I think the silent majority normally don't post their thoughts in these threads (me included). I personally don't have a problem with the policy and I understand why they implemented it. Rooks had ENY issues all day yesterday and I couldn't fly a P-47M, but I simply hopped in a D25 or D11.
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ENY needs to be more area specific than arena specific.
In which case you may as well remove it as area specific ENY means no ENY limitations on mass spawning of a mission.
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In which case you may as well remove it as area specific ENY means no ENY limitations on mass spawning of a mission.
maybe you add a limit to spawns as in only 5 planes from a base every minute or so. Simulates the launching a grouping up or a real mission. Give the game time to adjust ENY limits for a zone. Also forces players to be more creative with the equipment they use when building mission profiles.
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ENY based on how many players are in flight sounds like a great idea and could be easily implemented.
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:)
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Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower, and hence kicking them out would not have any impact on the ENY.
:noid
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:cheers:
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Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower
HiTech
Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Bish tend to have superior numbers during morning (ET/CT) hrs. I've seen as high as 50% Bish towered ot while Rooks or Knight percentages are much lower.
I know you're up to your ears with the engine re-write but how hard/much time would be required to baseline ENY on active (call it 15 minutes) players only?
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Bish tend to have superior numbers during morning (ET/CT) hrs. I've seen as high as 50% Bish towered ot while Rooks or Knight percentages are much lower.
I know you're up to your ears with the engine re-write but how hard/much time would be required to baseline ENY on active (call it 15 minutes) players only?
Two weeks. :bolt:
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ENY based on how many players are in flight sounds like a great idea and could be easily implemented.
As brought up thousands of times the overpopulated country mission planners would just sit in the tower until they get a favorable ENY then launch en mass with their horde of LW monsters against the lower numbered country.
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Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower, and hence kicking them out would not have any impact on the ENY. In fact if you believe it could lower the ENY , it could just as easily raise the ENY.
HiTech
Statistically "most" of the time that is probably true, but there are instances where you get 2 to 3 standard deviations away from the normal where you happen to have an unbalanced number of players sitting in the tower from one particular side actually affecting the outcome. Just like if I flipped a coin 10 times and recorded the results day in and day out. A couple days out of the month I might come up with 8 heads and only 2 tails.
Personally I don't think people should be booted due to inactivity in the current state of the game. Leaving the players in the game unwittingly creates an illusion during log in that there are more players actually playing than really are, which I think is good for the MMOG selling point.
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Bish tend to have superior numbers during morning (ET/CT) hrs. I've seen as high as 50% Bish towered ot while Rooks or Knight percentages are much lower
Which leads to the question: Is there ENY because of the tower sitters... or are they sitting in tower because of crippling (in their eyes) ENY? ;)
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Which leads to the question: Is there ENY because of the tower sitters... or are they sitting in tower because of crippling (in their eyes) ENY? ;)
Try to conduct a survey of these tower sitters while they're in their bunks.....er towers in the wee hours Snailman. See if anyone responds. That would make an interesting pie chart. :lol
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Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower, and hence kicking them out would not have any impact on the ENY. In fact if you believe it could lower the ENY , it could just as easily raise the ENY.
HiTech
Please elaborate...
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Just quit man. It's too hard for you
T. That isnt very nice of you. You are being very hateful.
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Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower,
HiTech
This is theory, not fact. Test it out and see. Then it becomes fact.
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This is theory, not fact. Test it out and see. Then it becomes fact.
1. An opposite contention is just as much theory (with arguable odds against it).
2. Your scientific methodology would be ..... ?
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1. An opposite contention is just as much theory (with arguable odds against it).
2. Your scientific methodology would be ..... ?
Its not hard to understand there, Derp.
Test out his Thoughts,speculation,theory and then base off those findings.
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This is theory, not fact. Test it out and see. Then it becomes fact.
and you really think that hitech who created the game doesnt have access to that data? you really think that at any one time he would not know how many people are in flight, how many in gv's and how many are just sitting in the tower?
I bet that he even knows how many kills are landed by each and every player down to how many bullets hit their target. I bet he might even know which skin is used more often.
semp
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and you really think that hitech who created the game doesnt have access to that data? you really think that at any one time he would not know how many people are in flight, how many in gv's and how many are just sitting in the tower?
I bet that he even knows how many kills are landed by each and every player down to how many bullets hit their target. I bet he might even know which skin is used more often.
semp
So, HT is the lulz-d0xer?
I keep reading this and that, but with me, seeing is believing.
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Its not hard to understand there, Derp.
Test out his Thoughts,speculation,theory and then base off those findings.
Wouldn't have been easier to just post 'I dunno how, I make it up as I go then tell other people to do it for me?'
Back up your own claim, seeing is believing. ;)
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Even when eny is jacked you can still fly super planes, just not the superest.
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Wouldn't have been easier to just post 'I dunno how, I make it up as I go then tell other people to do it for me?'
Your comprehension of the conversation has gone another route. Back up and take a left. The detour is closed.
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Please elaborate...
If the low ENY countries have a higher % of idle players, then booting all idle players could raise the ENY higher for the country that already has the highest ENY.
This is theory, not fact. Test it out and see. Then it becomes fact.
It's an assumption based on experience. The notion that booting idle players will help ENY is a theory but apparently it's not compelling enough to test.
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If the low ENY countries have a higher % of idle players, then booting all idle players could raise the ENY higher for the country that already has the highest ENY.
It's an assumption based on experience. The notion that booting idle players will help ENY is a theory but apparently it's not compelling enough to test.
Assumptions based on experience is exactly that, Assumptions. Its not Fact.
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Your comprehension of the conversation has gone another route. Back up and take a left. The detour is closed.
Now don't get pizzy because I wasn't impressed. :D
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Now don't get pizzy because I wasn't impressed. :D
Dont be a omadhaun. I'd rather dig ingrown toe nails out than attempt to impress you.
I have no idea who you are.
Exit closed?
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Assumptions based on experience is exactly that, Assumptions. Its not Fact.
You say that like it's a bad thing. :D Experience is a better basis than wishful thinking.
We all wish that choices didn't have down sides. :aok
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Dont be a omadhaun. I'd rather dig ingrown toe nails out than attempt to impress you.
I have no idea who you are.
Exit closed?
Well that's a good thing since I'm rather certain you are incapable at this point. Why you're still typing about it is a mystery in itself. :aok
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You say that like it's a bad thing. :D Experience is a better basis than wishful thinking.
We all wish that choices didn't have down sides. :aok
You see, this all comes down to thoughts, not facts.
See my point? Facts are not experience.
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Well that's a good thing since I'm rather certain you are incapable at this point. Why you're still typing about it is a mystery in itself. :aok
Missed your other exit? You'll run out of gas soon, Bad troll.
Lose your point and attempt to troll.
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Missed your other exit? You'll run out of gas soon, Bad troll.
Lose your point and attempt to to troll.
I'm not attempting to to (pre-edit) troll, son. I'm smiling as I hand you a hanky, though. Here ya go. :cool:
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I'm not attempting to to troll, son. I'm smiling as I hand you a hanky, though. Here ya go. :cool:
Awee, im son now. How cute. Go to bed before you break a hip trying to keep up with me.
Its after hours, the nurses will take your bingo cards away if they catch you on this late.
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Awee, im son now. How cute. Go to bed before you break a hip trying to keep up with me.
Its after hours, the nurses will take your bingo cards away if they catch you on this late.
Do you still have an active account or are you one of those 'I don't play but my colon is packed with opinions to share in the forum' types? :)
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Do you still have an active account or are you one of those 'I don't play but my colon is packed with opinions to share in the forum' types? :)
What does that have to do with the price of eggs in china?
You are really reaching now.
Reaching is a form of desperation.
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What does that have to do with the price of eggs in china?
You are really reaching now.
Reaching is a form of desperation.
Mmmmok. *ShruG*
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You see, this all comes down to thoughts, not facts.
See my point? Facts are not experience.
We'll have to disagree on the nature and value of experience.
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Just quit man. It's too hard for you
Well, this was helpful for the OP.
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Mmmmok. *ShruG*
A new bromance is blooming. Changeup and Triton you've been kicked to the curb.
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A new bromance is blooming. Changeup and Triton you've been kicked to the curb.
Still have it for you and slash <3
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A new bromance is blooming. Changeup and Triton you've been kicked to the curb.
Oh, now you've done it. Jealousy is an ugly scene and we don't need that out in the universe. :D