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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Drane on April 14, 2014, 03:09:50 PM
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Just wondering. Want to help out.
Thank You
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HTC posted that there will be a beta period where everyone will get a chance to try it out and see how their machines can handle it.
Remember, the big graphics update could be months away, and NOT right around the corner.
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I see.....thank you Fugitive :salute :cheers:
Searched for a post previous to this but no joy came of it.
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HTC posted that there will be a beta period where everyone will get a chance to try it out and see how their machines can handle it.
Remember, the big graphics update could be months away, and NOT right around the corner.
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Sorry to those with shoddy computers :frown:
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:banana:
Sorry to those with shoddy computers :frown:
hitech is building the game on a shoddy computer :) by today's standards :O.
semp
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Sorry to those with shoddy computers :frown:
Would you like to limit your highway speed limit to 30mph because many people have shoddy cars? Sometimes you either have to bite the bullet or just accept the fact that you can't afford what it takes.
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Would you like to limit your highway speed limit to 30mph because many people have shoddy cars? Sometimes you either have to bite the bullet or just accept the fact that you can't afford what it takes.
I bet he's not running a highway up a vertical incline, either. HT has always maintained a product that offers the most to both ends of his clientele (and potential). He's not going to arbitrarily put a barrier between this game and some of his most loyal customers to appease a part of the community that quit 'due to poor graphics' and isn't even playing the game anymore. It ..... just makes good sense.
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Graphics are not everything :old:
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Graphics are not everything :old:
That old man had been asking for pie long enough. :ahand
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Scotch eggs are a device of the devil, hiding eggs in a hollow pie :cry
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Would you like to limit your highway speed limit to 30mph because many people have shoddy cars? Sometimes you either have to bite the bullet or just accept the fact that you can't afford what it takes.
Not a good analogy. Would YOU rather see an immediate loss of another 10-20%* of the player base (*wild guess no based on any facts whatsoever)?
Why not make it SUPER elite and lose 50%? You'll get to pay twice as much for half the fights.
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I am willing to bet there will be a balance. Will some PCs not be able to handle the upgrades graphics - I am sure that is true.
Will the upgraded graphics bring in new customers? Equally true.
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Not a good analogy. Would YOU rather see an immediate loss of another 10-20%* of the player base (*wild guess no based on any facts whatsoever)?
Why not make it SUPER elite and lose 50%? You'll get to pay twice as much for half the fights.
It's a perfect analogy. Would people take long trips anymore if hwy speeds were limited to 30mph? Traffic numbers would decrease. Same happens if the game graphics are gimped down due to the bottom margin of the user base. AH needs to embrace the latest technologies while leaving setting options for the low hardware users to remain playable. The irony is that by forcing low end users to update to a 100 dollar new GPU everyone may get much better experience in the end because the new tech can offload calculations from the CPU to the GPU which will help the low end computers enormously.
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Jusr gimme already. AH is worth a good 3-4 times what we pay as is, imj. Putting jagged exploding steel in somebody's face without retribution is a gift beyond price - and it's almost free here.
And gimme the Fairey Battle, too. I'm so smooth that I'll be smokimg K-4s with it. Maybe not, but that and the BP Defiant deserve a model.
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It's a perfect analogy. Would people take long trips anymore if hwy speeds were limited to 30mph? Traffic numbers would decrease. Same happens if the game graphics are gimped down due to the bottom margin of the user base. AH needs to embrace the latest technologies while leaving setting options for the low hardware users to remain playable. The irony is that by forcing low end users to update to a 100 dollar new GPU everyone may get much better experience in the end because the new tech can offload calculations from the CPU to the GPU which will help the low end computers enormously.
it's a wrong analogy mrripley. people can drive at the speed limit currently but ah also provides a slow lane for those who can only drive 30mph. they have been doing it for years.
and the "latest technologies" change from month to month. remember the amd cpu that was going to revolutionize the world and it turned out to be a dude? we shouldnt just like ah wont force us, to buy a new car just because they repainted the lines on the freeway.
semp
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it's a wrong analogy mrripley. people can drive at the speed limit currently but ah also provides a slow lane for those who can only drive 30mph. they have been doing it for years.
and the "latest technologies" change from month to month. remember the amd cpu that was going to revolutionize the world and it turned out to be a dude? we shouldnt just like ah wont force us, to buy a new car just because they repainted the lines on the freeway.
semp
You're wrong. First of all technologies do not change that often. DX releases happen about once a year with the exception of XP induced 4 year stall period. AH could be the autobahn where top speeds are unlimited (i.e. using DX11 and supporting lower levels also like larger game titles do) right now players are limited to 10 year old tech (DX9 and even that is not fully implemented) so their fancy GPUs sit on idle most of the time. It's comparable to having a Ferrari and not being able to speed more than 45mph. Those who do have ferraris might want to do 120mph or more but are handicapped by people who have Ford Pintos. The lawmaker (HTC) can not build enough lanes on the highway due to cost so that the Pinto drivers could chug along slowly while letting the Ferraris run on the speed lane.
That's why HTC has to balance the speedlimit on the one line between not losing the Pinto drivers at the expense of all the Ferrari people clogging up their engines at idle rpm commutes :)
AH has been CPU intensive mostly not because it has to do simulation calculations but because it has not used CPU offloading graphics technologies provided by DX.
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Insufficient metaphors in this thread
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remember the amd cpu that was going to revolutionize the world and it turned out to be a dude?
semp
It's terrible when it happens. You reach down expecting fish but get a handful of foul.
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You're wrong. First of all technologies do not change that often. DX releases happen about once a year with the exception of XP induced 4 year stall period. AH could be the autobahn where top speeds are unlimited (i.e. using DX11 and supporting lower levels also like larger game titles do) right now players are limited to 10 year old tech (DX9 and even that is not fully implemented) so their fancy GPUs sit on idle most of the time. It's comparable to having a Ferrari and not being able to speed more than 45mph. Those who do have ferraris might want to do 120mph or more but are handicapped by people who have Ford Pintos. The lawmaker (HTC) can not build enough lanes on the highway due to cost so that the Pinto drivers could chug along slowly while letting the Ferraris run on the speed lane.
That's why HTC has to balance the speedlimit on the one line between not losing the Pinto drivers at the expense of all the Ferrari people clogging up their engines at idle rpm commutes :)
AH has been CPU intensive mostly not because it has to do simulation calculations but because it has not used CPU offloading graphics technologies provided by DX.
That is not accurate at all. Graphics have been offloaded to the GPU for some time (it has been up to DX to take care of it via the fixed pipeline). The only reason some boneheads think differently is due to how long it took to get around the CPU portion, each frame. The time spent in the CPU side artificially lowered the busy time for the GPU as GPU's got faster and faster. This caused the various end user tools to report loads inaccurately.
We have been itching to offload more to the GPU, but had to wait until AMD and NVidia finally supported a shader model equally. SM3.0 finally bridged the gap between the two companies. Then we had to wait until the lion share of the market reached 3.0.
What DX level we use is based on the lion share of the marketplace. Until DX9 is a minor player, we will continue to use it. It makes no sense to do otherwise. There is very little to be gained for us to migrate passed DX9 as we have found we can graphically do everything with DX9 that can be done with DX11. Those who think moving to DX11 will magically make graphics better are clueless and have simply bought into all the marketing.
No doubt someone will bring in the Steam numbers, which are quite bogus for our player base.
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That is not accurate at all. Graphics have been offloaded to the GPU for some time (it has been up to DX to take care of it via the fixed pipeline). The only reason some boneheads think differently is due to how long it took to get around the CPU portion, each frame. The time spent in the CPU side artificially lowered the busy time for the GPU as GPU's got faster and faster. This caused the various end user tools to report loads inaccurately.
We have been itching to offload more to the GPU, but had to wait until AMD and NVidia finally supported a shader model equally. SM3.0 finally bridged the gap between the two companies. Then we had to wait until the lion share of the market reached 3.0.
What DX level we use is based on the lion share of the marketplace. Until DX9 is a minor player, we will continue to use it. It makes no sense to do otherwise. There is very little to be gained for us to migrate passed DX9 as we have found we can graphically do everything with DX9 that can be done with DX11. Those who think moving to DX11 will magically make graphics better are clueless and have simply bought into all the marketing.
No doubt someone will bring in the Steam numbers, which are quite bogus for our player base.
Are you calling me a bonehead? Oh vey :D
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Are you calling me a bonehead? Oh vey :D
Not to my knowledge. It was a general statement to describe how silly some people make themselves look when they do not have access to the source code for the game, yet seem to think they know exactly how it all works. They even go so far as to state their opinions as fact, which fly in the face of the actual facts.
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Not to my knowledge. It was a general statement to describe how silly some people make themselves look when they do not have access to the source code for the game, yet seem to think they know exactly how it all works. They even go so far as to state their opinions as fact, which fly in the face of the actual facts.
The 'all knowing' player perception. :joystick: :D