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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Lone82 on April 18, 2014, 08:46:22 AM
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Is anybody running AH on triple monitors? If so, what is your setup?
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Is anybody running AH on triple monitors? If so, what is your setup?
Three 27" Viewsonic 1ms LCD monitors
Two Nvidia 670 GTX cards in SLI mode
Game runs at Desktop resolution of 5990 x 1080 (Bezel Corrected)
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3 x ASUS 25" VE258Q monitors (5760 x 1080)
1 x AMD 7950 card
Very happy with it. :aok
For details see PC specs link in signature, below.
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I ran triple monitors in landscape mode for 6 months or so. Changed over to portrait mode a few months back. In landscape I didn't feel I was able to use all the extra horizontal viewing area. Don't get me wrong, it looked really nice and in other games it may be really usefull, for me not so much. In portrait mode I feel the extra vertical view is actually very functional. One other thing that may have influenced my choice is I also use TrackIR. In landscape I could never scan with my eyes far enough to see either edge of the screens without turning my head, sorta defeated the purpose for me. Distortion is also very apparent as you get closer to the edges. In portrait I can scan a large viewing area with just my eyes, distortion is also minimized. It just feels more like I'm really sitting in the cockpit and looking around.
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I ran 3 23 in monitors for over 2 years using two 465 video cards and an 2500k intel cpu. it was smooth as heck and nice to see from wingtip to wingtip. I also used trakir which made it even nicer as I could see "everything".
I now used a single monitor with 2460x1640 or something like that and the game looks even nicer. I still have all my other 3 monitors and was thinking of hooking up a second one so I can watch netflix while playing the game for those long boring flights.
semp
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Hyzer what you call distortion is just perspective. Parallel lines have to diverge as they get closer to the viewer. Your eye is the same but our visual attention is centered. Just like watching the center monitor with TIR. The aspect ratio with triple landscape mode let's you see motion with your peripheral vision but what we consider normal perspective is limited to about 80 degrees of view angle.
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I'm using three monitors on a single GTX 680 in AH. The CPU is a 4770K with 16GB of memory. I have much more expensive cards, but this is really all you need. You can expand the amount of anisotropic filtering and other features by using later cards, or SLI, but you don't have to do that.
I'm planning on orienting these monitors to portrait mode, because aside from AH I use the system more for digital design (Illustrator, Flash, Photoshop, etc.) and the wide screen format causes too much neck turning.
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I am also using three monitors with a 4770K, 16GB of RAM and a 770 GTX.
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Hyzer what you call distortion is just perspective. Parallel lines have to diverge as they get closer to the viewer. Your eye is the same but our visual attention is centered. Just like watching the center monitor with TIR. The aspect ratio with triple landscape mode let's you see motion with your peripheral vision but what we consider normal perspective is limited to about 80 degrees of view angle.
Yep, bad choice of a word. Thanks for the clarification. :salute
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I run triple 24s on dual 570 gtx in sli on landscape and I love the total immersion. I have had no problems with it and I am happier than a pig in poo with it.
The only drawback is, you don't have a full scope view, the too and bottom is cut off, in vehicles.
My resolution is 5760 X 1080.
LawnDart
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I'm using three monitors on a single GTX 680 in AH. The CPU is a 4770K with 16GB of memory. I have much more expensive cards, but this is really all you need. You can expand the amount of anisotropic filtering and other features by using later cards, or SLI, but you don't have to do that.
I'm planning on orienting these monitors to portrait mode, because aside from AH I use the system more for digital design (Illustrator, Flash, Photoshop, etc.) and the wide screen format causes too much neck turning.
I am thinking about switching over to that type of setup. Any suggestions on how to set it up. i5 3750k Gtx 680 OC
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I did try running triple monitors but the zooming effect of the two side monitors just blows. I have 3 24" BenQ Gaming Monitors off a Asus NVIDIA 770 GTX 2Gb. I tried it for a few months but didn't like the strange zooming on the side monitors - why can't it be just 1 to 1 for vision? The size stretching/zooming is stupid from a gameplay perspective and adds zero value to help improve situational awareness (SA). It looks cool, but in practically doesn't work that well.
When the Oculas Razor comes out next year, it'll be a game-change from a SA perspective and will only cost the price of a decent video card.
In the mean time, save your money on the three monitor setup and get a really good video card with TrackIR.
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I did try running triple monitors but the zooming effect of the two side monitors just blows. I have 3 24" BenQ Gaming Monitors off a Asus NVIDIA 770 GTX 2Gb. I tried it for a few months but didn't like the strange zooming on the side monitors - why can't it be just 1 to 1 for vision? The size stretching/zooming is stupid from a gameplay perspective and adds zero value to help improve situational awareness (SA). It looks cool, but in practically doesn't work that well.
When the Oculas Razor comes out next year, it'll be a game-change from a SA perspective and will only cost the price of a decent video card.
In the mean time, save your money on the three monitor setup and get a really good video card with TrackIR.
ty
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I did try running triple monitors but the zooming effect of the two side monitors just blows. I have 3 24" BenQ Gaming Monitors off a Asus NVIDIA 770 GTX 2Gb. I tried it for a few months but didn't like the strange zooming on the side monitors - why can't it be just 1 to 1 for vision? The size stretching/zooming is stupid from a gameplay perspective and adds zero value to help improve situational awareness (SA). It looks cool, but in practically doesn't work that well.
When the Oculas Razor comes out next year, it'll be a game-change from a SA perspective and will only cost the price of a decent video card.
In the mean time, save your money on the three monitor setup and get a really good video card with TrackIR.
with 3 screens, I could see from wingtip to wingtip on my pony. and if you also have trakir it is amazing. to say that it adds zero value to improve situational awareness is like saying you dont need trakir because it doesnt improve over having all the views mapped on your joystick.
I guess your perspective on 3 monitors is different than some of us. just like I think the oculus will be cool up until the first time you spill your beer all over your keyboard.
semp
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I think a 680 is plenty of video card for AH and three monitors. wpeters I have a huge desk with plenty of real estate even with three monitors in landscape. What I did was add a bookshelf on top so that I could get my TV tuner and virtualizer above the top edge of the center monitor in landscape, ad also allow one or the other to fit in below when I use portrait mode. It's designed with two vertical surfaces on which a hinged VESA mount is attached for each monitor. Two monitors share the same mount point, but have separate swing hinges. You can buy the VESA hinge setup from Amazon for $15, or Best Buy online for $11. These cheaper hinges do not rotate, so if you want to change orientation you have to dismount and remount.
Outside of that it is just a matter of using the output options on your card and get an appropriate cable to match your setup.
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I think a 680 is plenty of video card for AH and three monitors. wpeters I have a huge desk with plenty of real estate even with three monitors in landscape. What I did was add a bookshelf on top so that I could get my TV tuner and virtualizer above the top edge of the center monitor in landscape, ad also allow one or the other to fit in below when I use portrait mode. It's designed with two vertical surfaces on which a hinged VESA mount is attached for each monitor. Two monitors share the same mount point, but have separate swing hinges. You can buy the VESA hinge setup from Amazon for $15, or Best Buy online for $11. These cheaper hinges do not rotate, so if you want to change orientation you have to dismount and remount.
Outside of that it is just a matter of using the output options on your card and get an appropriate cable to match your setup.
Do you have some picts
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I just set up three of these in landscape: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=860-BBCG (http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=860-BBCG)
Running off of one of these: http://us.msi.com/product/vga/N780_TF_3GD5OC.html#overview (http://us.msi.com/product/vga/N780_TF_3GD5OC.html#overview)
I am running at 5760 x 1080P, what a difference in immersion.
I have Track IR set up too, but I am still acclimatizing myself to using it. My only complaint is peripheral vision. It's actually too wide and I have to come up withe a creative solution to move it back some in order to fully utilize it.
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This is my setup and i love it
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d199/foibz9y6e4v0z6o6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?foibz9y6e4v0z6o)(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/906a/aussojcksa1fv2o6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?aussojcksa1fv2o)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e07e/jsgo7zw82ws8zbo6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?jsgo7zw82ws8zbo)
The triple monitor stand I use is http://www.ergotechgroup.com/monitor-desk-stands.html
And to setup my surround was alot easier than I thought ... Here is an in game shot
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/110b/dgwhscg66rr3jta6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?dgwhscg66rr3jta)
LawnDart
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I had the triple for a while, but for tanking I didn't like it all that much ,,, if I was gonna do it again tho, I'd stand three 42 inch led tv's on their sides and go with that!
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I'm curious: how useful is an ultra wide horizontal field of view in AH?
I would think it could be useful for tanking (I'm always swinging my turret back and forth looking for targets), but how useful is it in flying? When in a dogfight my focus is normally in the vertical, not horizontal, as I am trying to pull around on targets. What am I missing? Is the side view useful in slashing high deflection attacks?
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This is my setup and i love it
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d199/foibz9y6e4v0z6o6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?foibz9y6e4v0z6o)(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/906a/aussojcksa1fv2o6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?aussojcksa1fv2o)
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e07e/jsgo7zw82ws8zbo6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?jsgo7zw82ws8zbo)
The triple monitor stand I use is http://www.ergotechgroup.com/monitor-desk-stands.html
And to setup my surround was alot easier than I thought ... Here is an in game shot
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/110b/dgwhscg66rr3jta6g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?dgwhscg66rr3jta)
LawnDart
Does it make it warp out of focus when you have it like that
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Does it make it warp out of focus when you have it like that
I guess I mean it acts like stretched.
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There is no warping or stretching. That is true perspective. Wide angle lenses do not stretch or distort. It doesn't look "normal" when the field of view is set to a wide angle because we consider around 80 degrees of view angle to be "normal". If you set the field of view to a narrower angle it will look normal to you but you'll realize how small your "window" is. Because we typically look at AH through small monitor "windows" we set the field of view to wider angles than "normal" to reduce our blind spots.
If you don't understand why it has to be "stretched", consider that parallel lines meet as they recede in the distance. Those same lines have to diverge as they get closer.
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I'm curious: how useful is an ultra wide horizontal field of view in AH?
I would think it could be useful for tanking (I'm always swinging my turret back and forth looking for targets), but how useful is it in flying? When in a dogfight my focus is normally in the vertical, not horizontal, as I am trying to pull around on targets. What am I missing? Is the side view useful in slashing high deflection attacks?
In combination with TrackIR, it's very useful to me.
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I guess I mean it acts like stretched.
It does if you look at the 2 side screens directly but after a while you get used to it. If I see a con out of the corner of my eye I use my hat to change the perspective to the center screen and everything appears normal.
When I'm tanking it's easier to see someone off to the left/right of me firing. So changing my view to them Is much easier.
When I get home I can post pictures of the tanking portion of the game.
As the old saying goes.. ones enough... Three is for me.
LawnDart
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Can you get a projector to produce same effect of three screens?
I am seriously thinking of getting three monitors, but i will have to venture into my spare room which is full of crap i am saving.
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What are you saving it for :headscratch:
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Because when I throw it out I will need it a week later :old:
And it annoys my mrs :rofl
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Can you get a projector to produce same effect of three screens?
I am seriously thinking of getting three monitors, but i will have to venture into my spare room which is full of crap i am saving.
You can do better, project the image from 3 projectors to an orb so you get 180° peripheral vision!
The only downside to projectors is that you need a dark room, lots of space and they get the room hot on summertime.
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You can do better, project the image from 3 projectors to an orb so you get 180° peripheral vision!
The only downside to projectors is that you need a dark room, lots of space and they get the room hot on summertime.
I want this :old:
And one on the floor to cover the ceiling too :banana:
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You can do better, project the image from 3 projectors to an orb so you get 180° peripheral vision!
The only downside to projectors is that you need a dark room, lots of space and they get the room hot on summertime.
I will buy 6 and throw 3 away :old:
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When I get a chance I'm going to what the difference is in landscape (which I am running now) to the portrait mode.
LawnDart
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I will buy 6 and throw 3 away :old:
That's the spirit!
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When I get a chance I'm going to what the difference is in landscape (which I am running now) to the portrait mode.
LawnDart
It's like going back to a single monitor, except you have 'extra' canopy frames. It does make it a little easier to deal with compiling videos, since 5760 is not possible.
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It's like going back to a single monitor, except you have 'extra' canopy frames. It does make it a little easier to deal with compiling videos, since 5760 is not possible.
Should I get 3 monitor or spend the same amount on 27in
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If you're talking about getting an IPS monitor for the same money as three TN monitors? IPS monitors are used in situations where color accuracy is more important. So, in a production house for magazines, or landscape design, or video game production you would get an IPS monitor. Another reason the monitor works for these situations is because it has a higher viewing angle, so collaboration doesn't mean someone has to give up their seat and a larger group can see the same monitor. For gaming an IPS monitor is actually a waste of money, although there are affordable IPS monitors they are not very good and usually will have slower response times. That does not mean that you will see ghosting, which if memory serves occurs somewhere around 15-25ms in measured response time. In Aces High what response time is measuring is not really so important, until you get over a measure where your eye can see the transition of a moving object forcing a severe color change. So in the case of looking from the shadow side of an airplane crossing a well lit sky you might see ghosting at something above 12ms, but your brain will generally pass it off as something similar to motion blur. Once the response time increases to something like 20-25ms then a rapidly moving aircraft will leave a discernible ghost trail even in low contrast situations.
Generally speaking the response time is not a problem, because monitors have evolved beyond the issue. The problem occurs when a manufacturer tries to pass off a high response time as something lower, by adjusting the test. Monitors that have extremely accurate color are not made to be concerned with response time. Those monitors generally are purchased by print houses where color means more than it is does to gamers. Those monitors also tend to cost more than typical gamers spend on their entire system.
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Should I get 3 monitor or spend the same amount on 27in
Depends on how many pixels you want. On three monitors the amount of pixels is triple compared to a 27" (or any other size) FullHD monitor. Three monitors can also be much cheaper than a 4k monitor which comes close in the total pixel count. An UltraWide 34" Panorama monitor (http://www.amazon.com/LG-34UM95-Panorama-UltraWide-Monitor/dp/B00IJUFGDE) would be nice, too, if you want to pay the price. For gaming a curved wide screen monitor would be even nicer.
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That's the spirit!
:lol
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If you want to use 3 monitors in portrait mode they need to be IPS panels because you need the view angles. If you only use landscape mode either type works.
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That's simply not true FLS.
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It's been my experience. Have you tried it?
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Yes, since I have 3 TN monitors and use them in both orientations I know it makes no difference. The viewing angle advantage of IPS monitors does not concern the typical viewing angles of a three monitor setup. That is, unless you fall out of your chair and still want to see what is going on while you are on the floor.
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I see a difference. I don't have to sit on the floor to see it.
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That's nonsense. Do the math. The variation in viewing angles is minimal, so it must be in your head. Something I have suspected ever since the 234 thread.
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That's nonsense. Do the math. The variation in viewing angles is minimal, so it must be in your head. Something I have suspected ever since the 234 thread.
There are TN monitors and TN monitors Chalenge. He may have some cheap beaming models that have very narrow angles.
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Even then the VESA mounts for multiple monitors will not change from one mounting to the next, so they would have to be close to the same angle. Particularly in portrait mountings the IPS monitors might be mounted a little higher if they are very wide (tall in this case), but even so that would make the difference no more than about 4" and with the users seat being centered. . . If he sees a difference it is not related to viewing angle.
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I have 3 identical Dell monitors on a triple monitor stand. I can see the view angle difference. Your response is that I can't. :lol
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I can see obvious changes in my TN monitor view in the vertical dimension: it's so sensitive that it looks different even if I just slump a bit in my chair.
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Just enjoy the damn game and shelve the peeing contests. There is more fighting on this BBS than in game.
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Just enjoy the damn game and shelve the peeing contests. There is more fighting on this BBS than in game.
Lol isn't this true.
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with 3 screens, I could see from wingtip to wingtip on my pony. and if you also have trakir it is amazing. to say that it adds zero value to improve situational awareness is like saying you dont need trakir because it doesnt improve over having all the views mapped on your joystick.
I guess your perspective on 3 monitors is different than some of us. just like I think the oculus will be cool up until the first time you spill your beer all over your keyboard.
semp
I drink mine in my kid's sippy cup. Works great too with the no-spill valve... :P
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If you want to use 3 monitors in portrait mode they need to be IPS panels because you need the view angles. If you only use landscape mode either type works.
This was my experience too.
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Now using a Dell Ultrasharp U3014 and I am very happy with it. I have a separate 24 inch monitor on the side when I play other sims in windowed mode. Been considering two more U3014s but they are salty and the refresh time will be an issue with that specific model. Guess I'll wait for the UHDs since I personally hate the bezel thingie. Graphics card is a NVidia GTX 690.
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Even then the VESA mounts for multiple monitors will not change from one mounting to the next, so they would have to be close to the same angle. Particularly in portrait mountings the IPS monitors might be mounted a little higher if they are very wide (tall in this case), but even so that would make the difference no more than about 4" and with the users seat being centered. . . If he sees a difference it is not related to viewing angle.
Maybe he hasnt angled them correctly to surround the view, then the screens would be in side view.
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I drink mine in my kid's sippy cup. Works great too with the no-spill valve... :P
just notice you are canadian. never mind about the beer you dont have any :).
semp
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I've run 3 monitors, I'm back to a single one again, but will shortly probably do something like this - my system blows this guys away, so I should be able to run the 3 55" or 60" screens.
I really like this guy's cockpit/setup, check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5O130IzWbI
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It does if you look at the 2 side screens directly but after a while you get used to it. If I see a con out of the corner of my eye I use my hat to change the perspective to the center screen and everything appears normal.
When I'm tanking it's easier to see someone off to the left/right of me firing. So changing my view to them Is much easier.
When I get home I can post pictures of the tanking portion of the game.
As the old saying goes.. ones enough... Three is for me.
LawnDart
Do u have the tanking part
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I've run 3 monitors, I'm back to a single one again, but will shortly probably do something like this - my system blows this guys away, so I should be able to run the 3 55" or 60" screens.
I really like this guy's cockpit/setup, check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5O130IzWbI
The DCS program also allows you to setup the two monitors as MFDs. Actually, there are a lot of options.
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You can even use 8" USB monitors and mount them behind the Thrustmaster MFDs for a proper MFD display.
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Do u have the tanking part
Here is from the commanders position as you can see i do have a wide FOV to help, but you have to remember who is driving.
(http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/aa83/9qt1usa9ctf4j946g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/?9qt1usa9ctf4j94)
LawnDart