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Title: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 22, 2014, 10:34:25 AM
American made in Louisiana, 2 seater (inline), a/c standard, 3cyl engine that achieves 84mpg, 5 star (car) crash ratings (It is technically classified a motorcycle), and only costs $6800! Supposed to hit the market in 2015. I am very skeptical about it as it seems to good to be true. But if it does actually do what it claims and still costs under $7000 new I will buy one. I currently drive a 2003 Yukon XL (suburban) daily and it is usually just me in the truck commuting to work and school. Only on the weekends is the truck actually used as intended as a family hauler. I spend over $100 just to fill the tank and that lasts me a little over a week. The Elio is ugly but I'm all about cheap and efficient transportation. I don't see how it can only cost $6800 when a can-am spyder motorcycle is over $20k new. This car/motorcycle will destroy the hybrid/compact car market over night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ge1ZGi1bTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSn00HlM30

http://www.hybridcars.com/elio-motors-three-wheeler-coming-in-2015/

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Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: rogwar on April 22, 2014, 10:42:40 AM
Here's what we need!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/KIF_0001_reg.JPG)
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 22, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Here's what we need!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ec/KIF_0001_reg.JPG)

That reminds me of one of my favorite top gear episodes: http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/clarkson-tips-over-reliant-robin

But back on topic.... Would you buy one?
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: rogwar on April 22, 2014, 11:00:20 AM

Would you buy one?

No
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Dragon on April 22, 2014, 01:12:45 PM
I think it would be fun to zip through traffic with, if it had a few more horses under the hood.  0 - 60 in 10 seconds was probably measured on level ground, most on-ramps in my area are uphill for some god forsaken reason.  Making that tiny trunk accessible from the outside would be nice as well.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Bizman on April 22, 2014, 01:26:51 PM
How about a velomobile (http://pedalyourselfhealthy.org/Velos/VeloComparisonChart.html)? The price range is starts from a few thousands and there aren't any fuel costs.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: BluBerry on April 22, 2014, 02:20:06 PM
This car/motorcycle will destroy the hybrid/compact car market over night.

I don't think so.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: ghi on April 22, 2014, 03:46:13 PM
I don't believe the safety ratings,  looks too fragile to share the road with rest of average dinosaurs vehicles; wouldn't make it here in Canada on snow and ice.
The Volkswagen vehicles using turbo diesel  blue motion technology on European market are getting close to 80 mpg, and they are same size/weight  like here;  almost  twice better fuel economy than the motors used in North America built in Mexico;
I don't know why after 4-5 years Blue motion technology  doesn't get on our market; check this 2 links the fuel economy for VW Golf, Jetta, Passat in UK vs USA/Canada;
Example; Vw Golf TDI in EU is rated 88.3mpg vs----  42 mpg Canada /USA;
UK
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/range
USA
http://www.vw.com/en/models/jetta/trims-specs.html
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Dragon on April 22, 2014, 03:53:41 PM
I don't know why after 4-5 years Blue motion technology  doesn't get on our market;



Big oil and the hands that are fed therefrom won't allow it.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Hajo on April 22, 2014, 03:55:38 PM
Between driving in Europe and in America there is a wide difference.  Roads, distance of travel etc.

A good number of States in the US are larger then countries in Europe.  We have the majority of super highways in the world.

Europe has a great deal of single lane highways or lanes as they are called especially in the country.  Even our country roads

are generally paved with two lanes.  Apples to Oranges in driving experiences.

They prefer cars with better mileage for good reason.  Their cost of fuel.  They also prefer cars that are sized similar to the  ones

we see at the circus here in America that have 20 Clowns getting out of it in the Center Ring.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: ghi on April 22, 2014, 04:20:09 PM
... another disadvantage of small cars;  :lol

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/04/08/smart_cars_in_san_francisco_found_tipped_over.html

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/08/us/smart-car-flipping-san-francisco/
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 22, 2014, 05:22:41 PM
I think it would be fun to zip through traffic with, if it had a few more horses under the hood.  0 - 60 in 10 seconds was probably measured on level ground, most on-ramps in my area are uphill for some god forsaken reason.  Making that tiny trunk accessible from the outside would be nice as well.

I tested my Yukon today with the built in timer on the dash and it also does 0-60 in 10 seconds so I don't think the acceleration will be an issue.

I don't believe the safety ratings,  looks too fragile to share the road with rest of average dinosaurs vehicles;

It has a roll cage similar to a race car under the body panels plus airbags to protect the driver. They say the light weight of the vehicle will help with impacts because the vehicle will be easier to move to bleed energy from an impact vs a heavier more stationary object.

I don't think so.

Who would buy a $35k volt or prius  when you can buy this for less than $7000 and get better mileage out of the vehicle? Think of new drivers also. Instead of people spending 15K+ on a corolla, sentra, civic, etc. You can get one of these for half the price.

I am still very skeptical as to how they can really build and deliver these vehicles for the price they are advertising. Especially when a standard motorcycle without any bells and whistles costs more. If they do everything they claim and really are under $7000 brand new I will go buy one the day I see it on a lot. It really is a no brainer for commuting. I'll leave the gas hog family hauler at home during the week until it's needed.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: quig on April 22, 2014, 05:33:06 PM
5 star (car) crash ratings

Mmm hmm. 'Deathtrap' comes to mind.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: wpeters on April 22, 2014, 06:18:10 PM
I think I mite
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: ariansworld on April 22, 2014, 07:56:01 PM
I don't believe the safety ratings,  looks too fragile to share the road with rest of average dinosaurs vehicles; wouldn't make it here in Canada on snow and ice.
The Volkswagen vehicles using turbo diesel  blue motion technology on European market are getting close to 80 mpg, and they are same size/weight  like here;  almost  twice better fuel economy than the motors used in North America built in Mexico;
I don't know why after 4-5 years Blue motion technology  doesn't get on our market; check this 2 links the fuel economy for VW Golf, Jetta, Passat in UK vs USA/Canada;
Example; Vw Golf TDI in EU is rated 88.3mpg vs----  42 mpg Canada /USA;
UK
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/range
USA
http://www.vw.com/en/models/jetta/trims-specs.html


They will more than likely not pass emissions set by the EPA. That is why we don't have a lot of the VWag products that you see over seas.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Tinkles on April 22, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
The problem is, cars like that are made for roads in the country that they were made in.  A car like that I think wouldn't be good for any other roads. The car should be sold in an area that it wouldn't be a safety hazard to the driver or anyone around the vehicle. Sadly, most companies don't have their customers best interests/safety at heart.

I highly doubt that a motorist would survive a crash in that going 30+ MPH.  Seen one crash up close with a smart car (one of the three I've ever seen). It wasn't pretty, I suspect that this 'vehicle' would have a similar ending to it as well.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: morfiend on April 22, 2014, 11:21:53 PM
They will more than likely not pass emissions set by the EPA. That is why we don't have a lot of the VWag products that you see over seas.

 Actually I think it's the quality of fuel we use here! IIRC the diesel used in Europe is different in that it has no sulfates in it and the sulfates cause problems with the cats used on those VW's.

  Shame because a hybred using that type of diesel with small displacement and an electric motor with switchable battery packs would be the way to go.  Hmmm I think they have buses in Sweden that work like that..... :devil



   :salute
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 23, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
American made in Louisiana, 2 seater (inline), a/c standard, 3cyl engine that achieves 84mpg, 5 star (car) crash ratings (It is technically classified a motorcycle), and only costs $6800! Supposed to hit the market in 2015. I am very skeptical about it as it seems to good to be true. But if it does actually do what it claims and still costs under $7000 new I will buy one. I currently drive a 2003 Yukon XL (suburban) daily and it is usually just me in the truck commuting to work and school. Only on the weekends is the truck actually used as intended as a family hauler. I spend over $100 just to fill the tank and that lasts me a little over a week. The Elio is ugly but I'm all about cheap and efficient transportation. I don't see how it can only cost $6800 when a can-am spyder motorcycle is over $20k new. This car/motorcycle will destroy the hybrid/compact car market over night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ge1ZGi1bTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSn00HlM30

http://www.hybridcars.com/elio-motors-three-wheeler-coming-in-2015/

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$100 to fill a tank on a large sum????
$100 at current exchange rate would buy me just over 9 gallons of unleaded
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: RotBaron on April 23, 2014, 01:25:53 AM
Sorry but nope. Buy/drive the biggest piece of steel w/best accident ratings possible. Too many irresponsible ppl. CA woman past weekend plowed into group of 4 teens reaching for her cell, given a misdemeanor, she's prolly driving again soon if not already. Two winters ago, women entered I-17 between Phx/Flagstaff going wrong way, plowed headon killing herself/passenger and others vehicles passenger iirc. Thousands more stories...

Chevy/GM not even making the 3/4ton chassis anymore for whatever reason. Ford did away few years ago iirc  :headscratch:

I did clinicals at a medicare/caid nursing home. Saw way too many patients there with tracheostomies from car accidents, very scary and very sad.

Give yourself the best fighting chance you can have for your daily ride, not always possible of course

Maybe I'll buy a rig. 
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 23, 2014, 07:32:31 AM
You guys do realize that bigger doesn't equal safer right? You can die in any vehicle.  No body is saying this thing will stand up to a semi.  But if it does pass all of the safety tests the average car passes then it is as safe or safer than what you are already driving.
 
$100 to fill a tank on a large sum????
$100 at current exchange rate would buy me just over 9 gallons of unleaded

the gas pumps stop at $100, as of now I can't fill the tank for $100, I get just over 3/4 tank (32 gallon tank).  I understands gas is expensive where you are but I'm betting you don't have to rely on a personal vehicle for transportation. Where I live you do. Everything is spread out and there are no trains and hardly any busses or any other forms of public transportation. My daily round trip commute is about 25 miles(and that's actually pretty good compared to most).  At approximately14mpg (at best) my gas goes quick. If the Elio is everything they claim it will pay for itself in a couple years in gas savings.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 23, 2014, 07:41:55 AM
You guys do realize that bigger doesn't equal safer right? You can die in any vehicle.  No body is saying this thing will stand up to a semi.  But if it does pass all of the safety tests the average car passes then it is as safe or safer than what you are already driving.
 
the gas pumps stop at $100, as of now I can't fill the tank for $100, I get just over 3/4 tank (32 gallon tank).  I understands gas is expensive where you are but I'm betting you don't have to rely on a personal vehicle for transportation. Where I live you do. Everything is spread out and there are no trains and hardly any busses or any other forms of public transportation. My daily round trip commute is about 25 miles(and that's actually pretty good compared to most).  At approximately14mpg (at best) my gas goes quick. If the Elio is everything they claim it will pay for itself in a couple years in gas savings.

On the contrary, i live 40 miles from my place of work, the nearest store to me i just over 7 miles away. I drive a Land Rover and my fueld consumption is not terrible but nevertheless, relying on public transport in the UK would not be feasible. :old:
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 23, 2014, 07:44:38 AM
On the contrary, i live 40 miles from my place of work, the nearest store to me i just over 7 miles away. I drive a Land Rover and my fueld consumption is not terrible but nevertheless, relying on public transport in the UK would not be feasible. :old:

then you really need one of these!   :aok
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 23, 2014, 07:46:23 AM
Well I tend to use a motorcycle for trips to the shops/gym and the like, this looks to have none of the Pro's and all of the Cons :headscratch:
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 23, 2014, 08:05:40 AM
Well I tend to use a motorcycle for trips to the shops/gym and the like, this looks to have none of the Pro's and all of the Cons :headscratch:

 :huh Really? Here is my comparison based on the motorcycle I used to have...

2007 Suzuki GSX-R 600  cost: $7400new          A/C: no          MPG: ~45          Radio: no        Keep me out of the rain: no        Fun: hell yes
2015 ELIO                    cost: $6800 new         A/C: yes        MPG: ~84          Radio: yes       Keep me out of the rain: yes       Fun: possibly but definitely not as much as the gsx-r

and I'd bet survivability in ANY crash is going to be higher in the ELIO with rollcage and airbags protecting the occupants vs the occupant protecting the motorcycle.

none of the pro's and all of the cons huh?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 23, 2014, 08:17:51 AM
:huh Really? Here is my comparison based on the motorcycle I used to have...

2007 Suzuki GSX-R 600  cost: $7400new          A/C: no          MPG: ~45          Radio: no        Keep me out of the rain: no        Fun: hell yes
2015 ELIO                    cost: $6800 new         A/C: yes        MPG: ~84          Radio: yes       Keep me out of the rain: yes       Fun: possibly but definitely not as much as the gsx-r

and I'd bet survivability in ANY crash is going to be higher in the ELIO with rollcage and airbags protecting the occupants vs the occupant protecting the motorcycle.

none of the pro's and all of the cons huh?  :headscratch:

$7400 new? He'll, I'mmoving to the states!
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 23, 2014, 08:22:10 AM
$7400 new? He'll, I'mmoving to the states!

yeah, I got quite a good deal on it.  I sold it two years later for 7200  :D

Here is my wife riding it the day I brought it home:
edit: upon further review this was the weekend after I brought it home, not the same day. I already added the wheel stripes and removed the factory license plate/fender assembly.
(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8478/8171043674_38b4ef6cd8_o.jpg)


She only dropped it twice that day  :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Zoney on April 23, 2014, 09:10:08 AM
I ride a motorcycle every day and have for 40 years.  I live in Arizona so motorcycles can be much more than a toy, it is my transportation.

Friday I took delivery of a 2014 Honda CBR1000RR SP.  This bike is unbelievable.  400 pounds and 155 HP.  Full Ohlins Race suspension, Brembo Monoblock Brakes, and an engine built by HRC (Honda Racing Company) that is blueprinted and balanced from the factory.  It is also a "monoposto", no passengers, maximum rider weight is 200 pounds.  The bike has a mileage computer on it, even new and tight, it gets 55 MPG at 65 MPH, sitting straight up.  If I go into a full tuck it is 63 MPG at 65 MPH.

Not only is the gas mileage very good but it is very exciting to ride.  It would be a half a million dollar super car to have this performance.

This is not however a cheap machine to operate.  The bike is $17,000.  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

Nothing makes me feel like I feel when riding a bike in the Arizona mountains on a sunny Saturday morning.  My brothers Prius gets the same gas mileage, but the experience is not quit the same.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: BluBerry on April 23, 2014, 09:57:30 AM
I ride a motorcycle every day and have for 40 years.  I live in Arizona so motorcycles can be much more than a toy, it is my transportation.

Friday I took delivery of a 2014 Honda CBR1000RR SP.  This bike is unbelievable.  400 pounds and 155 HP.  Full Ohlins Race suspension, Brembo Monoblock Brakes, and an engine built by HRC (Honda Racing Company) that is blueprinted and balanced from the factory.  It is also a "monoposto", no passengers, maximum rider weight is 200 pounds.  The bike has a mileage computer on it, even new and tight, it gets 55 MPG at 65 MPH, sitting straight up.  If I go into a full tuck it is 63 MPG at 65 MPH.

Not only is the gas mileage very good but it is very exciting to ride.  It would be a half a million dollar super car to have this performance.

This is not however a cheap machine to operate.  The bike is $17,000.  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

Nothing makes me feel like I feel when riding a bike in the Arizona mountains on a sunny Saturday morning.  My brothers Prius gets the same gas mileage, but the experience is not quit the same.

pics :cheers:
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 23, 2014, 11:52:40 AM
I ride a motorcycle every day and have for 40 years.  I live in Arizona so motorcycles can be much more than a toy, it is my transportation.

Friday I took delivery of a 2014 Honda CBR1000RR SP.  This bike is unbelievable.  400 pounds and 155 HP.  Full Ohlins Race suspension, Brembo Monoblock Brakes, and an engine built by HRC (Honda Racing Company) that is blueprinted and balanced from the factory.  It is also a "monoposto", no passengers, maximum rider weight is 200 pounds.  The bike has a mileage computer on it, even new and tight, it gets 55 MPG at 65 MPH, sitting straight up.  If I go into a full tuck it is 63 MPG at 65 MPH.

Not only is the gas mileage very good but it is very exciting to ride.  It would be a half a million dollar super car to have this performance.

This is not however a cheap machine to operate.  The bike is $17,000.  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

Nothing makes me feel like I feel when riding a bike in the Arizona mountains on a sunny Saturday morning.  My brothers Prius gets the same gas mileage, but the experience is not quit the same.

I am utterly jealous. I am looking at a Zzr1400 for my next bike to replace the VTR thou and the ST1100.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Sol75 on April 23, 2014, 11:56:54 AM
I ride a motorcycle every day and have for 40 years.  I live in Arizona so motorcycles can be much more than a toy, it is my transportation.

Friday I took delivery of a 2014 Honda CBR1000RR SP.  This bike is unbelievable.  400 pounds and 155 HP.  Full Ohlins Race suspension, Brembo Monoblock Brakes, and an engine built by HRC (Honda Racing Company) that is blueprinted and balanced from the factory.  It is also a "monoposto", no passengers, maximum rider weight is 200 pounds.  The bike has a mileage computer on it, even new and tight, it gets 55 MPG at 65 MPH, sitting straight up.  If I go into a full tuck it is 63 MPG at 65 MPH.

Not only is the gas mileage very good but it is very exciting to ride.  It would be a half a million dollar super car to have this performance.

This is not however a cheap machine to operate.  The bike is $17,000.  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

Nothing makes me feel like I feel when riding a bike in the Arizona mountains on a sunny Saturday morning.  My brothers Prius gets the same gas mileage, but the experience is not quit the same.

Man I love the honda's.  I have a 06 600RR, and love it... Doesnt get ridden too much anymore though.. I probably should sell it.  I stepped into a Ducati 1199 last year, and never looked back. What a mean machine that is.. and yea, not cheap either..wound up dropping 26k with all the options.. but it's WELL worth it!
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Nathan60 on April 23, 2014, 11:57:48 AM
I've been wanting a bike for years, but Living in Metro Atlanta it's not really feasible. Yes It would be great to lane split through all this traffic, but there are waaayyy to many idiot on the roads around here. To add into that I am one of those idiots on the road I know I would kill myself on a bike,  the foot is lead, a bike would make it worse.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Sol75 on April 23, 2014, 12:00:39 PM
I've been wanting a bike for years, but Living in Metro Atlanta it's not really feasible. Yes It would be great to lane split through all this traffic, but there are waaayyy to many idiot on the roads around here. To add into that I am one of those idiots on the road I know I would kill myself on a bike,  the foot is lead, a bike would make it worse.

a lead foot on a bike just means youd be stopping quick :)  or shifting a lot?  lol
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Nathan60 on April 23, 2014, 12:03:56 PM
a lead foot on a bike just means youd be stopping quick :)  or shifting a lot?  lol
LOL I thought of that just couldn't think of a motorcycle equivalent.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Sol75 on April 23, 2014, 12:05:28 PM
LOL I thought of that just couldn't think of a motorcycle equivalent.

hmm a twisty wrist?  Wrist spasm?  I dunno lol
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Nathan60 on April 23, 2014, 12:26:52 PM
hmm a twisty wrist?  Wrist spasm?  I dunno lol
maybe some of our riders could fill us in?
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Sol75 on April 23, 2014, 12:42:45 PM
Well, I am a rider..sport bikes.. and my term for enjoying excessive speed is.. normal... lol
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: morfiend on April 23, 2014, 03:10:06 PM
hmm a twisty wrist?  Wrist spasm?  I dunno lol


  Got the right hand cranked! :aok    At least thats what we said back when I was invincible and rode all the time.

  I have been toying with the idea of building a bike,for awhile I thought a BMW bobber would be too cool but those old airheads cost a fortune these days. So I've been looking for a bigbore single dual purpose type,I think a supermoto bobber might suit me,got to have a 1.5 gal tank cuz I dont think I could ride any longer than that!


   Oh and Zoney is living the dream,and the real deal too!   I'd give my.....  for just a minute or 2 on that machine!  Color me Kawi green with envy!


    :salute


   
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: bmwgs on April 23, 2014, 11:26:33 PM
Their website states that they already have over 15,000 vehicles already reserved.

http://www.eliomotors.com/ (http://www.eliomotors.com/)

Fred
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 24, 2014, 02:06:15 AM

  Got the right hand cranked! :aok    At least thats what we said back when I was invincible and rode all the time.

  I have been toying with the idea of building a bike,for awhile I thought a BMW bobber would be too cool but those old airheads cost a fortune these days. So I've been looking for a bigbore single dual purpose type,I think a supermoto bobber might suit me,got to have a 1.5 gal tank cuz I dont think I could ride any longer than that!


   Oh and Zoney is living the dream,and the real deal too!   I'd give my.....  for just a minute or 2 on that machine!  Color me Kawi green with envy!


    :salute


   

A few years ago a friend that worked for a dealership brought me a CCM 660 Supermoto and challenged me to try and crash it on the sodden roads.

Never ridden anything like that, on any other bike you would be worried about the rear trying to overtake the front, on that it felt like I was 8 years old and riding my Raleigh Grifter :old:

My problem is I only have 29 1/2 inch inside leg so most trailie types are way to tall for me and to reach the floor I have to have the crook of the opposite knee on the seat, not to mention that the world suddenly seems full of Ewan McGregor wannabees in silly suits :bhead

Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Swoop on April 24, 2014, 03:14:21 AM
  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

That's a marketing gimmick.  'Honda spec' just means some marketing suits got drunk in a kareoki bar and muttered something about branding which no doubt involved a large kickback.

Fit Bridgestones instead, there's a reason MotoGP is a one tyre make series.

Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 24, 2014, 03:15:43 AM
That's a marketing gimmick.  'Honda spec' just means some marketing suits got drunk in a kareoki bar and muttered something about branding which no doubt involved a large kickback.

Fit Bridgestones instead, there's a reason MotoGP is a one tyre make series.



Is everything cheaper over there??? :cry

Pair of Avons for my ST cost not far off that much :bhead
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Swoop on April 24, 2014, 03:17:38 AM
P.S.  Mine:

(http://www.mag-knight.com/images/Blue%20ZX10.JPG)


Well, sorta mine.  It's a pic of the same bike in the same colour anyway, I just wish mine was that clean...
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: -ammo- on April 24, 2014, 04:09:13 AM
I ride a motorcycle every day and have for 40 years.  I live in Arizona so motorcycles can be much more than a toy, it is my transportation.

Friday I took delivery of a 2014 Honda CBR1000RR SP.  This bike is unbelievable.  400 pounds and 155 HP.  Full Ohlins Race suspension, Brembo Monoblock Brakes, and an engine built by HRC (Honda Racing Company) that is blueprinted and balanced from the factory.  It is also a "monoposto", no passengers, maximum rider weight is 200 pounds.  The bike has a mileage computer on it, even new and tight, it gets 55 MPG at 65 MPH, sitting straight up.  If I go into a full tuck it is 63 MPG at 65 MPH.

Not only is the gas mileage very good but it is very exciting to ride.  It would be a half a million dollar super car to have this performance.

This is not however a cheap machine to operate.  The bike is $17,000.  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

Nothing makes me feel like I feel when riding a bike in the Arizona mountains on a sunny Saturday morning.  My brothers Prius gets the same gas mileage, but the experience is not quit the same.

Nice man!  I can relate although my last bike was not close in performance to what you just ordered.  I had a 2001 Yamaha Fazer (1 liter version).  That bike was fast as hell.. at least by my standards. Living in San Antonio at the time, my riding season was 12 months.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Swoop on April 24, 2014, 05:03:50 AM
Do they detune CBRs for the US market then?  Cos my 10 year old ZX-10R is 380lbs and 185bhp....it's the Mk1, before they detuned them to stop noobs from flipping immediately and fitted a factory steering damper.  But it's difficult to believe a standard Kawasaki is both lighter and more powerful (significantly so) than a Honda 'RR SP', which is supposed to be the biking version of a carbon fibre Zonda.

And heated handgrips are the greatest invention in the history of biking, now my only excuse is foot deep snow.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: BuckShot on April 24, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
The potholes on my dirt road would pick their teeth with that thing, and its missing a cargo bed.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Skuzzy on April 24, 2014, 01:05:18 PM
What dirt road?  The potholes on our freeways would eat it for lunch.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: morfiend on April 24, 2014, 05:03:19 PM
A few years ago a friend that worked for a dealership brought me a CCM 660 Supermoto and challenged me to try and crash it on the sodden roads.

Never ridden anything like that, on any other bike you would be worried about the rear trying to overtake the front, on that it felt like I was 8 years old and riding my Raleigh Grifter :old:

My problem is I only have 29 1/2 inch inside leg so most trailie types are way to tall for me and to reach the floor I have to have the crook of the opposite knee on the seat, not to mention that the world suddenly seems full of Ewan McGregor wannabees in silly suits :bhead





  Danny,I have the same issue,vertically challenged!   However my idea would lower the bike,since it would only be ridden on the street I wouldnt need all that suspension travel.

   I've seen similar bikes being built all over the world by custom builders. I thought if I could find a dual sport bike like say an XT500/600 honda or the like for cheap,it might be a good hobby for me to waiste time and money on..... :devil

 Can play golf anymore so I have to find something to do!


    :salute
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2014, 04:02:32 PM
I think that Elio is very interesting.  I think that it's great that they are offering them.  More than 90% of what I use my current car for, one of those would work just fine.  My only concern would be safety.  Airbags and roll cage could do it, but I'd want to see the testing results.  They would certainly be enormously more safe than motorcycles.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Zoney on April 25, 2014, 04:27:40 PM
  They would certainly be enormously more safe than motorcycles.

Horseapples.

It is safer not to have an accident.

Which vehicle, mine or that one, is more capable of avoiding an accident?
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: lunatic1 on April 25, 2014, 04:32:18 PM
American made in Louisiana, 2 seater (inline), a/c standard, 3cyl engine that achieves 84mpg, 5 star (car) crash ratings (It is technically classified a motorcycle), and only costs $6800! Supposed to hit the market in 2015. I am very skeptical about it as it seems to good to be true. But if it does actually do what it claims and still costs under $7000 new I will buy one. I currently drive a 2003 Yukon XL (suburban) daily and it is usually just me in the truck commuting to work and school. Only on the weekends is the truck actually used as intended as a family hauler. I spend over $100 just to fill the tank and that lasts me a little over a week. The Elio is ugly but I'm all about cheap and efficient transportation. I don't see how it can only cost $6800 when a can-am spyder motorcycle is over $20k new. This car/motorcycle will destroy the hybrid/compact car market over night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ge1ZGi1bTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpSn00HlM30

http://www.hybridcars.com/elio-motors-three-wheeler-coming-in-2015/

(http://slickdeals.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2543302&stc=1&d=1392396474)


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no  i probably weigh more than it does
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2014, 04:40:15 PM
Horseapples.

It is safer not to have an accident.

OK, if you get hit in one, it would be safer to be in one of those than on a motorcycle.  ;)
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Arlo on April 25, 2014, 04:41:38 PM
Horseapples.

It is safer not to have an accident.

Which vehicle, mine or that one, is more capable of avoiding an accident?

The driver probably has a lot to do with that.  ;)
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: HL117 on April 25, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
I am all in for $1500 upfront, number 694 on the list for one, will see how it turns out ............shrug might be a total bomb although I don't think so, basically just a trike with cover.

If it achieves its 84 MPG I will be thrilled, live in Indiana and pretty flat here except for the southern portion.

I always ride alone to work, why haul around 2 tons of sheet metal back and forth everyday in my truck when not on cycle.

Usually ride the cycle when the weather is nice, I think the ELIO will be better when it comes to safety than a cycle, if I don't like it I will sell it to someone and the end of the waiting list.

I'll let you know if it ever materializes...........
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
I am all in for $1500 upfront, number 694 on the list for one, will see how it turns out ............shrug might be a total bomb although I don't think so, basically just a trike with cover.

If it achieves its 84 MPG I will be thrilled, live in Indiana and pretty flat here except for the southern portion.

I always ride alone to work, why haul around 2 tons of sheet metal back and forth everyday in my truck when not on cycle.

Usually ride the cycle when the weather is nice, I think the ELIO will be better when it comes to safety than a cycle, if I don't like it I will sell it to someone and the end of the waiting list.

I'll let you know if it ever materializes...........

 :aok
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: morfiend on April 25, 2014, 05:27:29 PM
Horseapples.

It is safer not to have an accident.

Which vehicle, mine or that one, is more capable of avoiding an accident?


  I read this and laughed!  True your bike could likely outrun it's shadow but I have to ask again,"How many times have you dropped your bike?"   What exactly happened to that pinky finger..... :devil


   Arlo,I agree with you,however I know Zoney is that driver!


    :salute
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: ridley1 on April 25, 2014, 05:29:11 PM

The elio is ugly.  There is (or was) a similar vehicle out, I think it'd be a hell of a lot more fun

http://www.carver-technology.com/
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Zoney on April 25, 2014, 05:32:14 PM

  I read this and laughed!  True your bike could likely outrun it's shadow but I have to ask again,"How many times have you dropped your bike?"   What exactly happened to that pinky finger..... :devil


   Arlo,I agree with you,however I know Zoney is that driver!


    :salute

Okay okay okay, 47 crashes.  But that only seems like alot.  They are all on a racetrack though.  I really miss that right pinky too.  I was very attached to it.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: HL117 on April 25, 2014, 06:13:48 PM
I ride a motorcycle every day and have for 40 years.  I live in Arizona so motorcycles can be much more than a toy, it is my transportation.

Friday I took delivery of a 2014 Honda CBR1000RR SP.  This bike is unbelievable.  400 pounds and 155 HP.  Full Ohlins Race suspension, Brembo Monoblock Brakes, and an engine built by HRC (Honda Racing Company) that is blueprinted and balanced from the factory.  It is also a "monoposto", no passengers, maximum rider weight is 200 pounds.  The bike has a mileage computer on it, even new and tight, it gets 55 MPG at 65 MPH, sitting straight up.  If I go into a full tuck it is 63 MPG at 65 MPH.

Not only is the gas mileage very good but it is very exciting to ride.  It would be a half a million dollar super car to have this performance.                                           


This is not however a cheap machine to operate.  The bike is $17,000.  Tires which are Honda spec tires built by Pirelli will only go about 3,000 miles and are $500.00 a pair.

Nothing makes me feel like I feel when riding a bike in the Arizona mountains on a sunny Saturday morning.  My brothers Prius gets the same gas mileage, but the experience is not quit the same.




                                           4 wheel move the Body, 2 wheels move the Soul !



Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2014, 06:16:49 PM
I rode motorcycles from about age 11 into my 20's, but almost all off road.  I would have loved to use a motorcycle for my normal street transportation, but I know a lot of street-bike folks, and all but about two have had some near-death experience on road, even ones who were very skilled at riding and at defensive driving (looking out for what the other guy might do wrong, etc.).  Fun, yes.  Safe, no.  There is a reason why riding them disqualifies you for some life-insurance plans and why emergency-room physicians call them "donor cycles."
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Zoney on April 25, 2014, 06:20:01 PM

                                           4 wheel move the Body, 2 wheels move the Soul !


And.... 3 wheelers move your bowels.

(sorry trike guys :) )
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: bmwgs on April 26, 2014, 11:23:01 AM
I rode motorcycles from about age 11 into my 20's, but almost all off road.  I would have loved to use a motorcycle for my normal street transportation, but I know a lot of street-bike folks, and all but about two have had some near-death experience on road, even ones who were very skilled at riding and at defensive driving (looking out for what the other guy might do wrong, etc.).  Fun, yes.  Safe, no.  There is a reason why riding them disqualifies you for some life-insurance plans and why emergency-room physicians call them "donor cycles."

I have been riding for over 40 years, about the same for driving.  I have more near death experience in my vehicle that I do on the bike.  Just saying..    :D

Fred
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Brooke on April 26, 2014, 01:25:03 PM
Yes, but statistics over 1000's of people is the better way to draw conclusions than taking one person as your data set.  Same for things like smoking.  While it's true that Aunt Gertrude smoked 10 packs a day for 70 years and lived to be 105, it isn't wise to conclude that smoking is the key to living a long life.  ;)
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Skuzzy on April 26, 2014, 02:03:47 PM
To add my two cents.  I put over 1,000,000 miles on motorcycles and never got a scratch.  Never put one down.

That said, I stopped riding the day I went over that 1,000,000 mile mark as I figure the odds were going against me.

A friend of mine went to the car show and saw one of these Elios there.  His first comment was, the passenger compartment is very, very claustrophobic.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: bmwgs on April 26, 2014, 02:15:12 PM
Yes, but statistics over 1000's of people is the better way to draw conclusions than taking one person as your data set.  Same for things like smoking.  While it's true that Aunt Gertrude smoked 10 packs a day for 70 years and lived to be 105, it isn't wise to conclude that smoking is the key to living a long life.  ;)

I bet Gertrude had one heck of a good life, just like I am when riding.    :D

Fred
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 26, 2014, 02:16:01 PM
To add my two cents.  I put over 1,000,000 miles on motorcycles and never got a scratch.  Never put one down.

That said, I stopped riding the day I went over that 1,000,000 mile mark as I figure the odds were going against me.

A friend of mine went to the car show and saw one of these Elios there.  His first comment was, the passenger compartment is very, very claustrophobic.

I'd like to see if they can really build it to do everything they claim and still retain the $6800 retail value. I just can't see how they are going to do it. For my daily commute to work and school the Elio would be perfect.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: bmwgs on April 26, 2014, 02:17:29 PM
To add my two cents.  I put over 1,000,000 miles on motorcycles and never got a scratch.  Never put one down.

That said, I stopped riding the day I went over that 1,000,000 mile mark as I figure the odds were going against me.

A friend of mine went to the car show and saw one of these Elios there.  His first comment was, the passenger compartment is very, very claustrophobic.

When I hit that mark, I wanted to see if the second 1,000,000 was as fun as the first.    :lol

Fred
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: HL117 on April 26, 2014, 02:47:41 PM
To add my two cents.  I put over 1,000,000 miles on motorcycles and never got a scratch.  Never put one down.

That said, I stopped riding the day I went over that 1,000,000 mile mark as I figure the odds were going against me.

A friend of mine went to the car show and saw one of these Elios there.  His first comment was, the passenger compartment is very, very claustrophobic.

It will be like your own little X-Wing fighter up front and I doubt many will want to ride in back, because of that.



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Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Arlo on April 26, 2014, 04:41:50 PM
A friend of mine went to the car show and saw one of these Elios there.  His first comment was, the passenger compartment is very, very claustrophobic.

Large guy, eh?  :D
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Skuzzy on April 26, 2014, 04:49:03 PM
Not really.  He is a bit of a runt.  About 5'4" tall, 120 pounds.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Arlo on April 26, 2014, 05:03:15 PM
Not really.  He is a bit of a runt.  About 5'4" tall, 120 pounds.

A portable DVD player might ease the mind back there.  :cool:
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: Brooke on April 26, 2014, 07:16:02 PM
It's about as roomy as a seat in a Cessna 152, and more roomy than a seat in a Bf 109.  Seems fine! :)
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 28, 2014, 09:36:01 AM


  Danny,I have the same issue,vertically challenged!   However my idea would lower the bike,since it would only be ridden on the street I wouldnt need all that suspension travel.

   I've seen similar bikes being built all over the world by custom builders. I thought if I could find a dual sport bike like say an XT500/600 honda or the like for cheap,it might be a good hobby for me to waiste time and money on..... :devil

 Can play golf anymore so I have to find something to do!



    :salute

I had a friend who bought a natty old Dominator 650 to use whilst instructing. We went out one night for a ride, he was always a bit of a looney on a bike but I was riding a Triumph T595 and left him standing on the straights, every roundabout or junction we got to he seemed to easily out brake me.
I was getting frustrated and when we finally stopped I asked how he was able to fly past me on the brakes at every junction, considering the Trumpet had some of the best brakes around at the time.

He wasn't beating me on the brakes, his brakes weren't working, he was trying so hard to keep up that he was just letting it run on every time I was slowing down.

God only knows how many times he avoided an accident  :bhead
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: GScholz on April 28, 2014, 09:54:57 AM
If I was in the market for an EV I'd take a long good look at the i3.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrWL0d1img
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: danny76 on April 28, 2014, 10:05:17 AM
They said 'Desirable' :headscratch:
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: GScholz on April 28, 2014, 10:14:55 AM
It's not much of a looker no... But it's a 1+ ton, 168 hp, 80 mile range on electric alone car for half the price of a Tesla.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: SilverZ06 on April 29, 2014, 07:57:54 AM
It's not much of a looker no... But it's a 1+ ton, 168 hp, 80 mile range on electric alone car for half the price of a Tesla.

$41,000 to go 80 miles? no thank you. It makes much more sense to buy an Elio for $6,800 and spend the remaining $34,200 on fuel. AT $4/gal that is 8,550 gallons. 84mpg * 8550= 718,200miles. Also the Elio wont make your home electric bill go up since it does not need to be plugged in every night.
Title: Re: Will you buy one of these when/if they actually come out?
Post by: GScholz on April 29, 2014, 08:02:24 AM
It's a proper car though, not a moped in a frock. Its 80 mile range is on the battery alone. It also has a gasoline motor for extended trips.