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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: HL117 on April 30, 2014, 07:30:20 PM
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So I was bored last night, kids were on the PCs , I grabbed an old PC not being used and plugged it into the 56" TV and was surprised at how well everything showed, of course I had immediate attention of my three boys :D, I am sure many of you have or do this but not me up till this point, not sure of the specs of the old machine but the general question is does AH have any issues running like this on a TV I believe the best resolution was supporting something like 1980 x 1020 or similar.
Thanks
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There's few to none issues in using a TV as a monitor. Yours seems to be a FullHD model like most current ones are, with a resolution of 1920x1080. You know what? Most desktop monitors and many laptop ones run the exactly same resolution! So that is really no problem at all. When comparing a 56" TV to a 22" monitor, the main difference is the size of an individual pixel. You can see those pixels on a large enough screen when you're close enough - or should I say too close...
There is one major issue, though, using a large TV as a monitor and that's the input lag. TV's often have some kind of picture enhancing technology, which will add some delay between the computer and the picture. Thus your TV may show you being 200 behind an enemy while in reality your computer already knows you've rammed him. When using the TV as a gaming monitor for fast paced games like AH, every image enhancing function should be turned off for best results. There's also great variations between different TV models concerning input lag. The best way would be to connect a tube monitor (no lag) and the TV to the same video card (they usually have multiple outputs) side by side in mirrored mode, running a stopwatch showing 1/100 seconds. If you take a photograph of them, the time difference should tell whether there's input lag or not. Of course that's only a homespun test, real testing would require a high speed video camera synchronized with the stopwatch so you could tell the amount of input lag per any given time.
If you want to impress your boys or any other audience with your AH skills, you can connect the TV as a secondary monitor to your main gaming rig in mirrored mode for the audience to see and play your game on your gaming monitor. In that case any input lag shouldn't matter because you'd be making your decisions based on what you see on the no-lag screen.
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And even regular computer monitors may have considerable input lags. It's something you should always check before buying.
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I play on a 42 inch tv. Runs great.
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I play on a 42 inch tv. Runs great.
I play on a 40" TV I bought for 90 pounds last year because the case was scratched, this runs fine, can't hit anything, but then I couldn't on the 22 inch monitor I had previously :headscratch:
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Do you switch it on Danny this might be your problem? :old:
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And even regular computer monitors may have considerable input lags. It's something you should always check before buying.
The lag really doesn't become an issue till the closure speed is high like on a high speed merge best I can tell. You may get shot thinking you have cleared the red's target zone if the high speed attacker has less monitor lag. Not 100% sure on this point.
The answer to that is give high speed passes more room.
Not sure I would use a smaller monitor just because of TV lag.
If the tv has a VGA then the lag issue becomes mute since much of the processing is on-board the PC instead of the TV.
On my TV when I use the VGA connector, much of the TV's Advanced processing features are blanked out.
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The lag really doesn't become an issue till the closure speed is high like on a high speed merge best I can tell. You may get shot thinking you have cleared the red's target zone if the high speed attacker has less monitor lag. Not 100% sure on this point.
On AH this is true, however many people game first person shooters also using the same computer.
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The TV is the BESTBUY in house brand " INSIGNIA" nothing special does have multiple inputs; digital, VGA, HDMI, I just used the HDMI since the Xbox one was laying there, not sure how you would turn off the TV enhancing modes though, the video button does have a game mode option along with the theater mode, engery savings and what not modes, not sure if that would do it , will have to read up on that, was kinda of a spontanous effort, think I would have to make a chair or something to hold the stick throttle, holding the stick in my lap seam like it would be less than desirable.
Thanks for the responses, will be fun to mess with.
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just used the HDMI since the Xbox one was laying there, not sure how you would turn off the TV enhancing modes t
Try the VGA, if you can. That should take the tv processing out. After that it is a personal choice. Should be perfect for AH.
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Do you switch it on Danny this might be your problem? :old:
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Try the VGA, if you can. That should take the tv processing out. After that it is a personal choice. Should be perfect for AH.
I respectfully disagree. I have tried both and the VGA cable looks like *&%^ IMHO. :salute
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The TV is the BESTBUY in house brand " INSIGNIA" nothing special does have multiple inputs; digital, VGA, HDMI, I just used the HDMI since the Xbox one was laying there, not sure how you would turn off the TV enhancing modes though, the video button does have a game mode option along with the theater mode, engery savings and what not modes, not sure if that would do it , will have to read up on that, was kinda of a spontanous effort, think I would have to make a chair or something to hold the stick throttle, holding the stick in my lap seam like it would be less than desirable.
Thanks for the responses, will be fun to mess with.
I've been using a large screen TV for a monitor for several years now,I started with a 47 in model but it was 3d and I didnt like how it worked with my setup so I convinced the wife that she really needed that TV in the family room,afterall we can watch 3d movies on it..... :devil
The she said but you'll want a better one for your comp,which I told her I would buy a cheaper 1 to replace the 3d unit,which I did but it was much larger even though it was cheaper!
I'm thinking I will go with an 80 or 90 inch unit in a year or so when the 4k tv's come on mainstream,those older units will be cheap compared and the 4K TV's dont work with gaming!
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I use a 42 inch Samsung led ,, works great!
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<snip>--- the 4K TV's dont work with gaming!
I can't see any reason why not. Of course it's very much depending on the game, but AFAIK at least AH supports even 4k resolutions already now. The triple monitor guys run them all the time! And IIRC there was a picture of someone's gaming surroundings with five monitors in portrait mode, which in FullHD means 5400x1920. A large 4k TV would look very nice in AH, if I only could afford that!
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I can't see any reason why not. Of course it's very much depending on the game, but AFAIK at least AH supports even 4k resolutions already now. The triple monitor guys run them all the time! And IIRC there was a picture of someone's gaming surroundings with five monitors in portrait mode, which in FullHD means 5400x1920. A large 4k TV would look very nice in AH, if I only could afford that!
4k monitors are very bad for gaming because they need an extremely beefy graphics card. But if you have money for a quad xfire R9 295x2...
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4k monitors are very bad for gaming because they need an extremely beefy graphics card. But if you have money for a quad xfire R9 295x2...
As I said: If I only could afford that... The 4k TV sets still cost more than a serious gaming rig with an extremely beefy graphics card - which of course would also be needed... But if I had some 10k money which I couldn't imagine a better way to use for, such a combination might be nice. OTOH 8k is already on the way...
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I can't see any reason why not. Of course it's very much depending on the game, but AFAIK at least AH supports even 4k resolutions already now. The triple monitor guys run them all the time! And IIRC there was a picture of someone's gaming surroundings with five monitors in portrait mode, which in FullHD means 5400x1920. A large 4k TV would look very nice in AH, if I only could afford that!
From what I've read the bandwidth just isnt available with normal connectors.
30fps was the best they could get and IIRC they had to use 2 connections to the vidcard just to get those results.
I wasnt happy to find this out as I was hoping a large 80 in 4K monitor would make it so I could finally see the airplanes I'm shooting at!
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From what I've read the bandwidth just isnt available with normal connectors.
30fps was the best they could get and IIRC they had to use 2 connections to the vidcard just to get those results.
I wasnt happy to find this out as I was hoping a large 80 in 4K monitor would make it so I could finally see the airplanes I'm shooting at!
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My squaddies always laugh at me when we're flying FSO because I basically have a seeing eye wingman. When things are at dot range, I sometimes can see them, most of the time not. Once stuff is in close I do fine. If it's the dots you have trouble seeing, you'd be better off getting a bigger monitor at the same resolution. Higher resolution means the individual dots get smaller. I'd love to get my hands on a 1080p or even 720p 60" or so for playing this game. I think it would help.
Wiley.
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As I said: If I only could afford that... The 4k TV sets still cost more than a serious gaming rig with an extremely beefy graphics card - which of course would also be needed... But if I had some 10k money which I couldn't imagine a better way to use for, such a combination might be nice. OTOH 8k is already on the way...
Not really since the R9 295x pair costs 3000 dollars just by themselves :rock
The cheapest 58" 4k tv seemed to be about 2500 euros the last time I checked.
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From what I've read the bandwidth just isnt available with normal connectors.
30fps was the best they could get and IIRC they had to use 2 connections to the vidcard just to get those results.
I wasnt happy to find this out as I was hoping a large 80 in 4K monitor would make it so I could finally see the airplanes I'm shooting at!
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If you want to see your things better you have to get a 80" full hd tv. Going to 4k is going to make your pixels again much smaller.
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The TV is the BESTBUY in house brand " INSIGNIA" nothing special does have multiple inputs; digital, VGA, HDMI, I just used the HDMI since the Xbox one was laying there, not sure how you would turn off the TV enhancing modes though, the video button does have a game mode option along with the theater mode, engery savings and what not modes, not sure if that would do it , will have to read up on that, was kinda of a spontanous effort, think I would have to make a chair or something to hold the stick throttle, holding the stick in my lap seam like it would be less than desirable.
Thanks for the responses, will be fun to mess with.
Tell ya what. The INSIGNIA puts out a surprisingly nice picture. Least the 32" does.
We picked one up for my son for Xmas a few years ago.
I was using a 32" Emerson as a monitor for a while. Other then some occasional very slight ghosting. I saw no problems other then it was so frikken big on my desk. On the upside. It did make everything life size LOL
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If you want to see your things better you have to get a 80" full hd tv. Going to 4k is going to make your pixels again much smaller.
Right now I use a 55in LG tv running 1920 by 1080. I dont have an issue seeing the dots,the pixels are rather large so I often see them before others do.
My issue is I was legally blind several years ago,I had implants installed to help correct the problem and I can see quite well at distance which makes it so I can drive again. The problem is the focal length so I have to sit atleast 3 feet away from my monitor,futher back is even better for me. I have a set of glasses to use with the computer but if I move even slightly I have to wait for my eyes to focus again and it's a pain.
The problem I have is when the planes are 1k to 200 yards away,incloser I can see them fine but at the D200 to 1k range I can only see the icon!
I took the wife to look at a home theater,well it was an excuse to look at projectors!
I found the solution but it cost about 15 grand! :devil and that doesnt include any sound systen just the projector!
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Right now I use a 55in LG tv running 1920 by 1080. I dont have an issue seeing the dots,the pixels are rather large so I often see them before others do.
My issue is I was legally blind several years ago,I had implants installed to help correct the problem and I can see quite well at distance which makes it so I can drive again. The problem is the focal length so I have to sit atleast 3 feet away from my monitor,futher back is even better for me. I have a set of glasses to use with the computer but if I move even slightly I have to wait for my eyes to focus again and it's a pain.
The problem I have is when the planes are 1k to 200 yards away,incloser I can see them fine but at the D200 to 1k range I can only see the icon!
I took the wife to look at a home theater,well it was an excuse to look at projectors!
I found the solution but it cost about 15 grand! :devil and that doesnt include any sound systen just the projector!
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You don't need to spend 15 grand to a projector, you can get a full hd JVC D-ILA model for 3000 bucks. It has an excellent contrast and sharp image + its 3D ready. A friend of mine has one and to be honest, I find the contrast even too much when we watch a movie in the darkened room. I have to squint my eyes for the first couple of minutes.
But regarding to 4k - with your condition you will want _less_ pixel density not more. 4k will make an individual pixel so small that even people with normal vision will have trouble seeing them.
You might want to take a look at 'media' tv:s which are meant for public displays. They're large (up to 70"+) and have a low resolution of 1280x800. And theyre much cheaper than full hd 70" models too. With that kind of screen, pixels are relatively huge so you should be able to see dots again. Although I just checked and it seems even the info screens are becoming full hd lately.
Also if youre interested in projectors, there are special projecting surfaces that amplify your contrast even in daylight. They're pretty expensive but they give you a good contrast in normal lighting. http://www.dnp-screens.com/DNP08/Products/Front-projection/Fixed-screens/dnp-Supernova-One.aspx
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MrRipley,
I dont have an issue seeing the dots in game,as I said the pixels are large enough so they are easy enough to see.
Lower resolutions did help on my 24in monitor but when I went to my tv the lower res looked terrible so I just went with the native. As I said I dont really want a 4K tv,they dont work for gaming as of yet and since I need to sit futher back from my screen than normal I thought a 80 or 90 in HD TV might just fit the bill!
Now I just have to sell that to SWMBO,that's where the $$$$ 4K's come in,I plan to show her those and the price points,then we can "settle" on a cheaper but larger model. :devil
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