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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Zivs on May 09, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
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Now I have only been playing for maybe a few weeks total. And I just love bombing. Man I love the 17s but in single player practice I love to fly the B-29s. I know they are quite expensive, hard to fly, and to get a formation will run you about 300+ perk points. But why do I never see them in the MA? And I know that drones are all screwy on landing and stuff but if you were to use some drone B-29s, I'm hoping your points would be refunded for each drone on landing?
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You get the spent perks back for every bomber you land. And landing with drones ain't difficult at all, just remember to make no radical turns, or you will lose your drones. take your time and descend slowly, or you may lose your control surfaces due to overspeed.
The reason you are not seeing them are:
- They are quite rare (due to their cost)
- Other bombers are actually better suited for most of the bombing tasks in AH
- And you may be looking in the wrong places - B29s mostly cruise around 30k (or more) and are mostly bombing the strats.
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Okay cool thanks for the response. What would be a good way to generate perk points so I can get into a 29? The sorties I have been flying recently have been in a B-17 and I climb anywhere from 25-30k and these sorties last about an hour to 2 hours, awarding 5-9 points. Is this the best I am going to get?
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Okay cool thanks for the response. What would be a good way to generate perk points so I can get into a 29? The sorties I have been flying recently have been in a B-17 and I climb anywhere from 25-30k and these sorties last about an hour to 2 hours, awarding 5-9 points. Is this the best I am going to get?
Absolutely not, you can do much better than that.
If you look in hangar, you will see an OBJ value assigned to each bomber. That determines the perks you get for each destroyed object in a bomber. The higher the bomber's OBJ, the more perks you get for each object. You also may reconsider your mission profile, as getting to excessive altitude also means spending a lot of time. You could do 3-4 medium altitude B-26 sorties in a B-26 (OBJ 20) in the same time you do one 30k B-17 (OBJ 12) mission. You also get perks for shooting down enemy fighters attacking you.
And if you are shot down on such a mission, you will get only 20% less perks than if you had landed your bomber. So taking a few more risks in a somewhat "lesser" bomber at altitudes well below 30k will significantly increase your perk gain per flight hour,
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Cool thanks. I couldn't find a straight answer for any of these questions anywhere.
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One more question. What type of setup (i.e. bombload in terms of larger or smaller) will get me the most damage and what targets should I try and be hitting?
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One more question. What type of setup (i.e. bombload in terms of larger or smaller) will get me the most damage and what targets should I try and be hitting?
That depends on what are you going to achieve.
If you are strictly into perk farming, there are two main targets for you. Town centers and CVs.
You will get a bunch of perks for milking several town centers in a high OBJ bomber, and even in a mid-OBJ bomber the results can be comparable due to the larger bomb load and higher survivabilty (+ perk gain by killing fighters)
However, for many players bombing nothing but a bunch of towncenters will become boring and starts to resemble "work". You could also combine tactical bombings "with a point" (supporting your side by takign out enemy hangards, ammo bunkers and so on witht he occasional town center bombing. Such a "mix" can keep things interesting enough and can help your team while still yielding some nice perks.
The other target, as mentioned, are enemy CVs. Sortie duration is short and you can get a lot of perks for an undamaged CV (needs 8k of destruction to sink). But of course it's alo much more dangerous.
Some recommended perk efficient bombers:
B-26 (best balanced, can do about everything)
Tu-2 (very fast, weak defense, great load, possibly best CV hunter in game)
G4M (High OBJ, climbs like a rocket to 20k, very fragile)
Ki-67 (small payload, high OBJ, fast, has a nice sting with it's top 20mm turret)
Boston III (very fast at low alt, quick climber, high OBJ, small payload, very weak defense)
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I use the g4m to gain some points when I run out,( b-29s are not indestructible ) a good run with the 4 bomb load will net you 40 or 50 perks in late war on a good day with 4 city centers,, use the formation, Remember that in the hanger is a perk point multiplier box, if that number is high, you can make more points,, if that number is low, not so much,,
I'd be happy to help you on bombing and or flying them in the training arena if you would like,, the b-29 doesn't cost anything there so you can practice take offs and landings with the formation without fear of losing a bunch of perks
I fly the b-29 in the main arena but unless you fly the strat areas, you'll never see me,, I'm at 30k plus from the time I leave freindly territory till I get back,, they cost to much to risk them at low alt in enemy territory
One other thing,, when the perk multiplier is high,, the cost of stuff like the b-29 is lower
Anyway let me know if you'd like some pointers,, just PM me if you like
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I fly the b-29 in the main arena but unless you fly the strat areas, you'll never see me,, I'm at 30k plus from the time I leave freindly territory till I get back,, they cost to much to risk them at low alt in enemy territory
There is not that much risk but a lot of fun involved if you don't fly them at 30k+ all the time. In most cases it's not even necessary if you are really trying to be safe. The 29 is has the most brutal defensive armament available, and that makes it reasonable safe to fly it "only" at 25-29k in most cases - but you may occasionally get something to shoot at ;)
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For the record, the highest single perk gain I ever had in a bomber was 124.80 perks. I was attacking the AA towers at the strats in a Ki-67 formation in midwar. Perk bonus modifier was 4 at takeoff (I was the only player in my country). Losses: one bomber by a P-38.
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It's fun to get them way up high as well,, at least for me,, taking off with a big fuel load isn't easy , then fighting all the wind and finding the proper headings for bomb runs,, I like the role play of it all so it's very satisfying !
In Midwar with a 5perk multiplier I've gotten over 150 perks for a near perfect run in the Bettie's ,, I got 93 a few days ago with it at 2.23
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There is not that much risk but a lot of fun involved if you don't fly them at 30k+ all the time. In most cases it's not even necessary if you are really trying to be safe. The 29 is has the most brutal defensive armament available, and that makes it reasonable safe to fly it "only" at 25-29k in most cases - but you may occasionally get something to shoot at ;)
The speed of the B-29 is nothing to sneeze at, either. Of the bombers you listed, only the Tu-2 and Boston are faster, (however the Tu-2's advantage falls off DRAMATICALLY between 6000-12,000ft, with the B-29 being faster above 18,000. The Boston has a better performance curve and holds a larger speed advantage throughout, but the B-29 overtakes her around 16,000) while the best the Ki-67 can do is match her, and only under 20,000ft.
Looking at the rest of the level bombers, only the Mosquito (which is frankly in a class of its own for speed) outruns the B-29, while the B-29 utterly smokes the other heavies, the Ju-88 and He-111, with speed advantages as high as 60mph or more.
So not only is attacking a B-29 formation brutal due to its firepower, it's not exactly an easy bomber to get into a good position to make an attack to begin with.
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Well... there is the Arado 234...
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Well... there is the Arado 234...
Well, ok, I forgot about the 234, but I'd consider that more like the Mosquito as being in another class altogether.
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Yeah, you could say that. ;)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=110&p2=39&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
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Formation bomber top speeds at their best altitudes (as per HTC chart):
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/fromationbufftopspeedalt_zps82c95538.jpg)
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Another bomber to consider is the He-111. It carries a similar bomb load to the B-26 (not too sure since I haven't flown the 26 in a while). Their OBJ is the same but the ENY of the 111 is higher. This means if you get a kill with this bird, you usually net a lot of extra perks. It's also able to take a bit of abuse. Not as much as an American bomber but still enough to shrug off damage from most fighters.
I usually take it to about 20k and when most people see it, they get over eager for what they think is going to be an easy kill. I wait until they are about 600 to 400 out before I start shooting (or if they start shooting from further away I open up sooner. Most of the pilots are spixteen drivers who think they are invincible, so it makes me laugh when I wreck their plane and collect the huge perk point bonus from their low ENY plane.
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Another bomber to consider is the He-111. It carries a similar bomb load to the B-26 (not too sure since I haven't flown the 26 in a while). Their OBJ is the same but the ENY of the 111 is higher.
The He-111 sucks as a perk farmer.
It has about the same loadout and OBJ as the B-26, but it takes much longer to get to altitude and to target... if you get there at all. The puny defensive armament of the He 111 means that to have the same chance to reach the target, the He-111 has to climb much higher than the Marauder. Which in turn means a further increased investment of time.
The potentially perk bonus by shooting down enemy fighters is only a theoretical thing as well, because the chance of actually killing a fighter are so much lower in the He 111.
In the long run, the He-11 is a very ineffective bomber as far as perk farming goes.
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Yeah, you could say that. ;)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=110&p2=39&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
The problem is that the Ar234's eggs are all external which incurs a larger hit on its performance. Once they are gone it is very much faster than the Mossie XVI, but laden they aren't all that far apart.
They are both extremely hard to intercept compared to the free bombers.
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Take Ju88s and hit carriers with torpedoes, works well as a Perk farmer.
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The problem is that the Ar234's eggs are all external which incurs a larger hit on its performance. Once they are gone it is very much faster than the Mossie XVI, but laden they aren't all that far apart.
This ^.
Though I am not sure if the HTC charts include external bomb load. I *think* not. The Arado will have a big advantage if the altitudes are low.
Plus, each 234 carries 3x500 kg GP (3000 lbs damage) vs. 2*500 lbs GP + 4000 lbs HC (total 4250 lbs of damage, and a larger blast radius) in a mossie XVI. So, to take down HQ for example, an arado raid will require 40% more planes to hit the target than the required number of mossies. That is quite a lot. If the mossie does not carry the wing bombs the effective bomb load is very close.
Unless changed, the Mossie XVI OBJ values is quite high (dont remember the exact number), so it can earn some perks too.
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Yeah, you could say that. ;)
(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=110&p2=39&pw=2>ype=0&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
MY POINT BEING that even at lower altitudes, the B-29 can be tricky to get into a good intercept position against, on top of the withering defensive firepower.
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This ^.
Though I am not sure if the HTC charts include external bomb load. I *think* not. The Arado will have a big advantage if the altitudes are low
With 3x500kg bombs the Arado does around 410-414 mph at the 13-14k range
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With 3x500kg bombs the Arado does around 410-414 mph at the 13-14k range
OK thanks. It means that the charts are for an Arado without bombs. Probably also for the Mossie XVI without the external 2x500 lbs.
The old charts used to be for all planes with 100% internal fuel and bay bombs only if available. The total weight for the configuration used to be indicated on the chart. I remember this because the Mossie VI was the only fighter that had bombs included in its performance charts (two 500 lbs in the bay). The climb rate chart is a lot more impressive when you realize it includes 1000 lbs of bombs and a fuel load for more than an hour of arena flight time...
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Fly Bettys at 21k ans salvo 1 on town centers, you get 20k damage and over 30 perks. Another way to make quick bomber perks is to sink destroyers with Vals.
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Bostons Mid war only person on that side 6 others on one other side 2 bombs on two towns 18 min flight.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss69a_zps5a5f7df8.jpg) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss69a_zps5a5f7df8.jpg.html)
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The problem with the Arado is handling it, lining it up for bomb runs, and calibrating the bomb sight. It also climbs slowly and gets up to full speed slowly. Then again I hang on to its RATOs until after drop for emergency since I often hit targets at 8 to 10k. But if there is a VH or high priority target tormenting your team, and its a long ways off, nothing beats the Arado.
I fly the TU at either 8k or 16k. Its a little faster at 6k but thats just to low to attack with enemys present. WEP will get you to 8K and up to top speed. Once your level is at "2" then turn off wep and open doors. Shortly you will be at "0" level and you can calibrate. Using F3 while in top gun gives a you a reverse view you can turn around with your hat rear. Its much more forgiving on calibration then trying to fly and turn all 3 bombers while in F1. 8K is a perfect Alt to attack CVs.
Fly the B26 and KI-67 if you want to shoot down fighters too. The KI is a deadly bomber defense-wise and as fine raider. Taking out front line ords is very helpful to your team, even more so if its a nearby high Alt base. If fighters are setting up for a high speed run at you then pop into F1, set a slight dive for speed, and force them to underestimate your speed and flatten out in your "6" for an easier shot at them. There are so many tricks to learn and no end you learning Aces High Bombers. Enjoy the ride. :salute
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It's fun to get them way up high as well,, at least for me,, taking off with a big fuel load isn't easy , then fighting all the wind and finding the proper headings for bomb runs,, I like the role play of it all so it's very satisfying !
In Midwar with a 5perk multiplier I've gotten over 150 perks for a near perfect run in the Bettie's ,, I got 93 a few days ago with it at 2.23
I completely agree and couldn't be more happy when completing a hour + high alt bomb run.
I took a small hiatus and this thread now has tons of replies. Thank you all for replying. I'm definitely going to try out numerous combinations as mentioned above. The info here is great.