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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GScholz on May 23, 2014, 11:21:33 AM
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Ink, you made some awesome virtual weapons in Skyrim; some based on real weapons from human history...
What if someone did it the other way round?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6CbICIIgM
:devil :rock
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What if someone did it the other way round?
It would be completely impractical as a weapon and look utterly ridiculous.
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It would be completely impractical as a weapon and look utterly ridiculous.
:lol
durr
NO one would ever use a weapon like that....
but that doesn't deplete the awesomeness of it. ;)
Ink, you made some awesome virtual weapons in Skyrim; some based on real weapons from human history...
What if someone did it the other way round?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6CbICIIgM
:devil :rock
thanx man :o
was hoping it was more practical....35 lbs haha...that made me laugh...
but it is cool for sure...I would love to have that thing.
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:lol
durr
NO one would ever use a weapon like that....
but that doesn't deplete the awesomeness of it. ;)
thanx man :o
was hoping it was more practical....35 lbs haha...that made me laugh...
but it is cool for sure...I would love to have that thing.
35 pounds....wow ever swing a 10 pound sledge? I cant imagine even carrying all day never mind inrto battle..... Did look cool tho!
I have a nice mace I made from a table leg and assorted hardware. Did you know the right size lagbolt thats ground down makes a nice spike thats easy to insert into any wooden handle! :devil
:salute
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35 pounds....wow ever swing a 10 pound sledge? I cant imagine even carrying all day never mind inrto battle..... Did look cool tho!
I have a nice mace I made from a table leg and assorted hardware. Did you know the right size lagbolt thats ground down makes a nice spike thats easy to insert into any wooden handle! :devil
:salute
me swing a sledge.....hehe
I have owned pretty much every type of bladed and blunt weapon ever made...
had a sick spiked morning star that I attached to a speed-chuck....that thing was devastating.. :O
owned maces....hammers...all kinds of combat ready swords and axes...hatchets...custom swords....
funny I had a combat ready Conan sword that was all of 5lbs :O....that thing was insane...
people always think the "real" swords are massively heavy...not even close...my Katana was a little over 2lbs... :rofl
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5lb sword is a wallhanger. My steel longsword (40" blade, 13" hilt) is 3lbs. It'd actually have been lighter if it was a cutter and not blunted.
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It's the mace of a Daedric demon prince... 35 lbs is nothing! :old:
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5lb sword is a wallhanger. My steel longsword (40" blade, 13" hilt) is 3lbs. It'd actually have been lighter if it was a cutter and not blunted.
this wasn't ;)
to me a "wall hanger" is NON combat ready...
this was certainly combat ready....carbon steel.... had a nice spring to it...nothing fancy just a huge Conan replica made for a giant of a man :rofl
the blade was close to 5" wide...and well over a qtr inch thick.
obviously No normal man would be able to wield it continuously...I have tattooed a guy who could easily...and he would make it look like a short sword. :rofl
It's the mace of a Daedric demon prince... 35 lbs is nothing! :old:
:lol
that is true :rofl
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I'm actually having fun playing Oblivion now. With about 20 gigs of mods it looks pretty good!
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I'm actually having fun playing Oblivion now. With about 20 gigs of mods it looks pretty good!
Oh man I have lots of time in Modded Oblivion...that was my first game I modded for....
my first mod I made was to make the crabs all giant haha they were so big I could walk under them...hahahaha
what a blast.... :rock
Oblivion to me is one of the all time greatest games ever made.... :aok
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I am more a fan of Man at Arms, as he really goes into the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t58WCSn5lNI
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I am more a fan of Man at Arms, as he really goes into the process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t58WCSn5lNI
Nice find :rock
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Ink, you made some awesome virtual weapons in Skyrim; some based on real weapons from human history...
What if someone did it the other way round?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz6CbICIIgM
:devil :rock
oh my geek :uhoh
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where's the .50 cals
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lol, I love the talk of "combat ready weapons" from those that have never seen combat.....
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lol, I love the talk of "combat ready weapons" from those that have never seen combat.....
ahh....it aint rocket science... :rolleyes:
your post was so enlightening..please tell me more about combat I have NO clue what it is or what it can do.
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Sorry, you are the one boasting about "combat ready weapons". Please enlighten us, oh majestic warrior.
I am sure there is much to this beyond a shiv in the back or tagging a CO when they aren't looking.
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Sorry, you are the one boasting about "combat ready weapons". Please enlighten us, oh majestic warrior.
I am sure there is much to this beyond a shiv in the back or tagging a CO when they aren't looking.
wow I am impressed....no seriously...... please continue talking like you have a clue. :aok
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Again, I am not the one talking about have "combat ready weapons". Please, provide us with some of your expert tutelage regarding combat ready weapons.
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Again, I am not the one talking about have "combat ready weapons". Please, provide us with some of your expert tutelage regarding combat ready weapons.
if you were not such an ass, I would enjoy discussing swords and such with you.....
for they are a passion of mine, have been for many years...
but honestly...these last few posts from you and others in the past....
have showed me...you are one I have no desire to talk to..... get to know....or discuss anything with....
good day
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I am still waiting to hear about those "combat ready weapons" you publicly described. Obviously you seem to feel you know a tremendous amount about "combat" and what it takes to classify a weapon as "combat ready". I'd seriously like to hear your qualifications and experiences to make those statements.
As for the latter, I will freely admit I am an ass. Dealing with liars on a daily basis over the years has probably created that. Yet I have feel fortunate enough not to have become a cynic. As for statements from me; again, as you say, I am an ass, but I am brutally honest. In the same light, I would love for you to be a fly on the wall when you have spoken over the past few years. It has provided more than enough material to seriously question your motives, statements, and actions. The funny thing is, you have no idea what I know, or what I am (besides an ass)!
I won't stoop to name calling, I would like to think I have grown beyond that. Rest assured Ink, I know much more than you realize.
You have a good day too. I know I will.
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the blade was close to 5" wide...and well over a qtr inch thick.
A 5" wide blade isn't a sword. If it's that broad all the way out to the tip the point of balance will be much too far out onto the blade. This would be very difficult to wield effectively and without a great deal of wasted energy. The handling would be much more axe-like, WITHOUT the benefit of the way the axe concentrates its mass behind the striking surface.
As I said: It's a wall hanger.
The cinquedea may have been broad at the hilt, but that was just the base of the blade, and it tapered acutely afterwards
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Wow Bodhi! You actually have combat experience with swords, axes and other martial arms? :O
I'm very impressed! Tell us all about it! :aok
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Btw. Ink, if I remember correctly you once owned a Viking sword. Was it a crucible steel +Ulfberh+t?
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Wow Bodhi! You actually have combat experience with swords, axes and other martial arms? :O
I'm very impressed! Tell us all about it! :aok
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Btw. Ink, if I remember correctly you once owned a Viking sword. Was it a crucible steel +Ulfberh+t?
Good luck finding a smith that knows how to make crucible steel! Ya I saw the nova special on the ulfbert too!
I have a friend who is a blacksmith,admitedly he does mostly horseshoes and some ornimental stuff but I asked him about crucible steel and all he did was laugh,then said do you have any idea how difficult that is and the chance of failure is more than 50/50....
I was told it was far easier to just purchase the type of steel you want and make the sword from that.... But I'm no expert.
:salute
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My broadsword is about 3.2lbs.
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A 5" wide blade isn't a sword. If it's that broad all the way out to the tip the point of balance will be much too far out onto the blade. This would be very difficult to wield effectively and without a great deal of wasted energy. The handling would be much more axe-like, WITHOUT the benefit of the way the axe concentrates its mass behind the striking surface.
As I said: It's a wall hanger.
The cinquedea may have been broad at the hilt, but that was just the base of the blade, and it tapered acutely afterwards
A- I didn't say it was 5" I said close to 5" wide.....
B- I never said it was for a normal human to wield..nor did I say it was something that could be used daily...actually the opposite..and I even commented on the fact that most people believe swords are heavy and NO real deal sword would be that heavy...
can anybody read on these fn forums?????
a "wall hanger" is a stainless steel piece of crap.....
this was Carbon spring steel....and most certainly could be used if needed.
I am still waiting to hear about those "combat ready weapons" you publicly described. Obviously you seem to feel you know a tremendous amount about "combat" and what it takes to classify a weapon as "combat ready". I'd seriously like to hear your qualifications and experiences to make those statements.
As for the latter, I will freely admit I am an ass. Dealing with liars on a daily basis over the years has probably created that. Yet I have feel fortunate enough not to have become a cynic. As for statements from me; again, as you say, I am an ass, but I am brutally honest. In the same light, I would love for you to be a fly on the wall when you have spoken over the past few years. It has provided more than enough material to seriously question your motives, statements, and actions. The funny thing is, you have no idea what I know, or what I am (besides an ass)!
I won't stoop to name calling, I would like to think I have grown beyond that. Rest assured Ink, I know much more than you realize.
You have a good day too. I know I will.
well thats all good....NOTHING I have ever written on these boards has been a lie.(yes I have been wrong on occasion, which I always admit when I am wrong)
you threw insults out as soon as you posted....I am just not as subtle as you. ;)
Wow Bodhi! You actually have combat experience with swords, axes and other martial arms? :O
I'm very impressed! Tell us all about it! :aok
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Btw. Ink, if I remember correctly you once owned a Viking sword. Was it a crucible steel +Ulfberh+t?
No..... I opted for the Musashi Katana instead of the viking sword...(although I kinda regret it)
Most of the nicer swords/axes I have owned were made by Paul Chen.
http://www.paulchenhanweiswords.com/viking-swords.aspx
on that page is the "Godfred" thats the one I almost bought...instead I got this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/160666748116?lpid=82&item=160666748116
if you look at Paul Chen's stuff...Look for the "Hero's Axe" I owned that one as well....that was a crazy axe.
the sword in my sig is Paul Chens "Tiger"(original) Katana
close up of the Tiger...yes this pic was MY actual sword...not an image I took offline...
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/Picture037-1.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/Picture037-1.jpg.html)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/Picture038-1.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/Picture038-1.jpg.html)
this is the tiger I am holding...
the axe was hand made from a guy who goes around fairs...cant remember the name for the life of me...but...This axe was most certainly combat ready....so is the sword.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/Picture040-1.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/Picture040-1.jpg.html)
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A- I didn't say it was 5" I said close to 5" wide.....
B- I never said it was for a normal human to wield..nor did I say it was something that could be used daily...actually the opposite..and I even commented on the fact that most people believe swords are heavy and NO real deal sword would be that heavy...
Close to is too close.
a "wall hanger" is a stainless steel piece of crap.....
Uh, many of those MASSIVE zweihanders were wall hangers, and they were forged a LONG time before stainless steel turned up. No matter what it's made out of, if the weapon isn't intended for regular use, whether drill, test-cutting, etc., it's a wall hanger.
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Close to is too close.
Uh, many of those MASSIVE zweihanders were wall hangers, and they were forged a LONG time before stainless steel turned up. No matter what it's made out of, if the weapon isn't intended for regular use, whether drill, test-cutting, etc., it's a wall hanger.
I can see where you are coming from...I have always thought...felt..believed...a "wall hanger" is a sword that could NOT be used for anything but to "look" good.....
how you describe a "wall hanger" yes absolutely it would be...
if you(you personally) were to hold it in your hand....you know without a doubt....it would ruin some dirtbags day.....and you would NOT worry about it breaking.... :t
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If it were me, I'd rather go for my dad's 'hawk from the closet first. A blade that broad will be too unwieldy, especially in close quarters. For that matter, I'd even rather use my steel trainer (blade is of normal dimensions, just with a blunt edge and rounded tip).
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If it were me, I'd rather go for my dad's 'hawk from the closet first. A blade that broad will be too unwieldy, especially in close quarters. For that matter, I'd even rather use my steel trainer (blade is of normal dimensions, just with a blunt edge and rounded tip).
at the time I owned it...I also owned Zatoichi's cane sword....differentially heat treated...it wasn't folded....but was extremely sharp....
I would have gone for that one. :D
Ok Bodhi here is another one you wont believe.....
with that Cane sword I just mentioned...my wife used to toss potato's at me from about 25 feet away....I would cut them out of the air...until they were about an inch or so in size. ;)
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Wow Bodhi! You actually have combat experience with swords, axes and other martial arms? :O
I'm very impressed! Tell us all about it! :aok
Please find where I claimed to have experience or expertise identifying "combat ready weapons" as they relate to this thread. I can save you time by telling you I have not and will not make such a statement.
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I have a very nice epee! It doesnt even have a blunted tip so it's not allowed in fencing!
I call it the french pickel stabber! The wife wont let me play with sharp things,she keeps saying "you'll shoot your eye out!" :rolleyes: I keep saying"dont you mean poke?"
She just smiles......
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I have a very nice epee! It doesnt even have a blunted tip so it's not allowed in fencing!
I call it the french pickel stabber! The wife wont let me play with sharp things,she keeps saying "you'll shoot your eye out!" :rolleyes: I keep saying"dont you mean poke?"
She just smiles......
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:rofl
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Please find where I claimed to have experience or expertise identifying "combat ready weapons" as they relate to this thread. I can save you time by telling you I have not and will not make such a statement.
So if you have no experience or expertise in the area, why did you join the topic? Just to troll people participating in a discussion (an interesting one, IMO)?
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Please find where I claimed to have experience or expertise identifying "combat ready weapons" as they relate to this thread. I can save you time by telling you I have not and will not make such a statement.
No my post was obviously sarcastic. A sword can be combat ready/worthy/whatever without the owner actually being a swordsman or having combat experience. And the owner can identify the sword as such simply by consulting literature on the subject. Just like a gun owner can recognize that a gun is loaded and ready for use regardless of his shooting skills or combat experience. It's not rocket science...
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I have a lots of sticks that are combat ready
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/monkeyfarmer/WP_000321_zpsa7e7a334.jpg)
I mean, I would lose, but they are ready to hit things with
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Just a comment, but the guards here look a bit too thin. I'd be concerned a solid blow striking down will break them. Compare it to this:
(http://cdn3.volusion.com/jkxpn.sognc/v/vspfiles/photos/G-2T.jpg)
See how much more robust the guard is?
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Yes, you are right. It is a very rugged hardwood but still a good blow will break the guard on the two hander. I prefer how mine look, that is the reason, though I expect with enough broken evidence I will switch to the slide on method over the drill through.
My other solution is to line the guard with a steel rod. I think I will try this first.
This isn't mine but I love the look of this practice sword. It has the more substantial guard but looks good for it. I don't like the one you posted as much, it looks more like a toy to me, probably because it looks machine tooled.
(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/1/17172/1413970-woodensword.jpg)
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Trust me, it's no toy. I have one, and it's a very solid waster with a lot of weight to it. I've done a good bit of heavy-contact sparring, and the only problem I have is that my steel gauntlets like to chew up the grip a bit.
I'm not sure of the manufacturing method, but I think it's a bit presumptuous to assume it has to be machined. I don't disagree that's probably how it was made, but only because of the volume the company has to produce to meet the demand. Never underestimate what a skilled woodworker can do with hand tools.
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Oh I don't doubt that it is a formidable weapon, just that I don't like the aesthetics so much. I am an experienced wood worker, that is why I am fairly certain it's been machined. Perhaps I am wrong, but I'm not afraid of that.
Those swords I posted above are for fighting, otherwise they would be sanded down to 800, coated with bee's wax and buffed till you could shave in them. That's how my longbows end up if I want them to look really good.
But what I am making here is going to be smashed and slashed into shields and helmets and other swords. No one in their right mind would go to the trouble of hand tooling something to that level that was going to be fought with.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with having that sword for sparring, just that I prefer spending a few hours hand crafting one that pleases me aesthetically far more. Just personal preference. I'm very interested in your sparring, anything you could teach me would be valuable if you had a mind to share.
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I'd start by finding a group that studies longsword in your area. You'll generally find two "schools" being taught: Italian, based primarily on the treatise of Fiore dei Liberi; and German, most of which is in the "tradition" of Johannes von Liechtenauer (mainly taught via manuscripts by Ringeck, Talhoffer and Meyer, as all that survives of Liechtenauer is a later copy of the merkverse he used to encode his teachings to prevent them from falling into the "wrong hands." This stuff was serious business, and the politics of the Medieval fencing guilds alone is kind of fascinating). However in truth the Italians and Germans are both teaching one very closely-related system and there's not really much difference between them. This is particularly evident when you include what little is known about the somewhat fragmentary English tradition, which shares a substantial amount with the Germans. Buying modern translations/transcriptions of the manuscripts could be an alternative, and there's some available online, but it's better to have a more experienced practitioner to study with.
As for actual tips; learn the guards, and don't take a step without shifting into a new one as this keeps your opponent guessing on where your attack is coming from. One of the biggest flaws I see is when fencers stay in one guard too long. Additionally, some techniques and strikes work better from one guard than another. Cuts from the left are a bit harder to pull off from Right Vom Tag (sword hilt at or slightly below the right shoulder, blade angled slightly behind you) than from the left.
Also, be aware of the mechanics of cutting from the shoulder, the elbow and wrist; cuts from the shoulder are slower but more powerful cleaving blows, while cutting from the wrist is quicker but more reliant on slices. This is REALLY important for the longsword, as most inexperienced fencers seem stuck on shoulder cuts. Keep in mind how the hands work together as well. Your front hand is just the fulcrum when handling the sword. Much of your power and control is actually going to come from your trailing hand. Position on the grip is a matter of personal preference, though I prefer to rest the trailing hand on the pommel (my swords have scent-stopper pommels like the one on that waster pic I posted, which GREATLY facilitates this as it gives me a nice shelf to rest on. I mainly grip the trailing hand with the space between my thumb and index finger, so I'm actually barely holding on at all). This gives me a lot more leverage, and allows me to put a good amount of force even into wrist cuts due to the push-pull action.
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I'd start by finding a group that studies longsword in your area. You'll generally find two "schools" being taught: Italian, based primarily on the treatise of Fiore dei Liberi; and German, most of which is in the "tradition" of Johannes von Liechtenauer (mainly taught via manuscripts by Ringeck, Talhoffer and Meyer, as all that survives of Liechtenauer is a later copy of the merkverse he used to encode his teachings to prevent them from falling into the "wrong hands." This stuff was serious business, and the politics of the Medieval fencing guilds alone is kind of fascinating). However in truth the Italians and Germans are both teaching one very closely-related system and there's not really much difference between them. This is particularly evident when you include what little is known about the somewhat fragmentary English tradition, which shares a substantial amount with the Germans. Buying modern translations/transcriptions of the manuscripts could be an alternative, and there's some available online, but it's better to have a more experienced practitioner to study with.
As for actual tips; learn the guards, and don't take a step without shifting into a new one as this keeps your opponent guessing on where your attack is coming from. One of the biggest flaws I see is when fencers stay in one guard too long. Additionally, some techniques and strikes work better from one guard than another. Cuts from the left are a bit harder to pull off from Right Vom Tag (sword hilt at or slightly below the right shoulder, blade angled slightly behind you) than from the left.
Also, be aware of the mechanics of cutting from the shoulder, the elbow and wrist; cuts from the shoulder are slower but more powerful cleaving blows, while cutting from the wrist is quicker but more reliant on slices. This is REALLY important for the longsword, as most inexperienced fencers seem stuck on shoulder cuts. Keep in mind how the hands work together as well. Your front hand is just the fulcrum when handling the sword. Much of your power and control is actually going to come from your trailing hand. Position on the grip is a matter of personal preference, though I prefer to rest the trailing hand on the pommel (my swords have scent-stopper pommels like the one on that waster pic I posted, which GREATLY facilitates this as it gives me a nice shelf to rest on. I mainly grip the trailing hand with the space between my thumb and index finger, so I'm actually barely holding on at all). This gives me a lot more leverage, and allows me to put a good amount of force even into wrist cuts due to the push-pull action.
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nice write up...
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So if you have no experience or expertise in the area, why did you join the topic? Just to troll people participating in a discussion (an interesting one, IMO)?
I found the discussion interesting as well. The comment about "combat ready weapons" did not fit the discussion in my opinion.
Would you like a tissue now or is he not capable of defending himself?
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Great stuff, thanks Sax. Give us a year or so and you might see some half decent fights posted!
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I found the discussion interesting as well. The comment about "combat ready weapons" did not fit the discussion in my opinion.
Would you like a tissue now or is he not capable of defending himself?
are you seriously this ignorant.... :headscratch:
"INK...You made Virtual weapons....What if someone did it the other way round"
you have reading comprehension problems huh....
why don't you go ask your momma to read the whole thread for you and maybe she can show you how much of an idiot you look like.
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Ink, you are the one making statements about "combat ready" weapons. I asked you what "combat" you have seen with these types of weapons that would qualify you to make that statement. Please enlighten me. From statements you made in the past, I find it very hard to believe you have the time to engage in "combat", especially with your commitments in other venues.
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Jeez Bodhi... :bhead
Can't a weapon be combat ready regardless of what combat experience the owner has? A soldier's rifle isn't combat ready unless the soldier is a veteran? That's just asinine.
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Firearms and replica swords/axes are not the same. A modern firearm that is operable is arguably "combat ready". Replica stuff, I would think generally not so much.
The implication in the original "combat ready" post was what started this.
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A non-stamped sword made recently is likely superior to the vast majority of what was used in combat historically due to improvements in metallurgy. Not all modern made swords are stamped replicas. Many are at the very least as combat ready as any sword carried into the fight at Agincourt or Crecy.
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Ink, you are the one making statements about "combat ready" weapons. I asked you what "combat" you have seen with these types of weapons that would qualify you to make that statement. Please enlighten me. From statements you made in the past, I find it very hard to believe you have the time to engage in "combat", especially with your commitments in other venues.
:rofl
life is awesome :rock
I am surprised at how ignorant people can be...and here I thought life was done with surprises for me.
once again...if you ever stop and think before you type and realize that how you treat people will reflect on how they treat you.....I would have been more then willing to help you differentiate the difference between a sword that could be used in combat to one that could not.
now I just see you as another meatstick from the intardnet who I will never get to know or respect.
this will be my last post to you...I am done thinking down to your level...it is giving me a headache.
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Firearms and replica swords/axes are not the same. A modern firearm that is operable is arguably "combat ready". Replica stuff, I would think generally not so much.
The implication in the original "combat ready" post was what started this.
Please...........
Split another hair there bodhi. If you are going to try and be precise at least know the definition.
Such as:
combat ready
Adjective
S: (adj) active, combat-ready, fighting (engaged in or ready for military or naval operations) "on active duty"; "the platoon is combat-ready"; "review the fighting forces"
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A non-stamped sword made recently is likely superior to the vast majority of what was used in combat historically due to improvements in metallurgy. Not all modern made swords are stamped replicas. Many are at the very least as combat ready as any sword carried into the fight at Agincourt or Crecy.
modern "stamped" swords are most often 440 stainless steel...which are definitely NOT combat ready...
a good video showing the toughness of stainless steel. :rofl :rofl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kFgeZtkAb8
you are very right though...most modern hand made swords are better then the originals.
the Tiger Katana I had was folded....for aesthetics only....the steel used was far better then the original Katana's.
a easy way to tell a good sword form a cheapO....
does it rust?
Carbon steel rusts and needs to be oiled....stainless steel is very rust resistant, so needs no oiling.
thats not to say every carbon steel sword is combat ready....
ok here is a story...Saxman seems to know what he is talking about....he can tell me if I am lieing or not. ;)
I bought a Katana many years ago...nice spring steel....
I was young and dumb and foolishly tried to chop a log in half....
the tang bent right up and ruined the sword...I got pissed and smashed the flat part of the sword against a tree...basically wrapping it around the tree into a "U" shape....
I threw it down.....the very next morning I went to get it....and that friggen sword was straight....the tang was still bent all up and no good...but that blade was straight...and only if you held it up to the light at an angle could you see a warp in the blade.
see that blade itself was combat ready...but who ever made it..used what is called a "rat tailed tang" very weak.....making it a non combat ready sword....
fixing it would be as simple as cutting off that crappy tang...and moving the Tsuka up onto the wide blade....then it would have been combat ready.
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Correct that swords were made to be flexible. It should be noted, though, that katanas tended to be a bit stiffer, however, and lacked the flex of the European swords. They were certainly sharper (but really, it gets to a point of diminishing returns. A European longsword is no less effective in armored or unarmored combat than Japanese swords. Actually in the former case, quite the opposite. I'd rather have a longsword fighting an armored opponent than a katana) but were more prone to bending and breaking. European swords tended to have a more flexible blade (I've seen then flexed literally in half, and spring right back to shape again).
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Correct that swords were made to be flexible. It should be noted, though, that katanas tended to be a bit stiffer, however, and lacked the flex of the European swords. They were certainly sharper (but really, it gets to a point of diminishing returns. A European longsword is no less effective in armored or unarmored combat than Japanese swords. Actually in the former case, quite the opposite. I'd rather have a longsword fighting an armored opponent than a katana) but were more prone to bending and breaking. European swords tended to have a more flexible blade (I've seen then flexed literally in half, and spring right back to shape again).
see..... I knew you knew what you were talking about... :D
I would take an Arbalest for the armored knight. :t
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I would have this sword
part1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGYwiMgzUU
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogtVEHIhuKQ
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I would have this sword
part1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTGYwiMgzUU
part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogtVEHIhuKQ
sweet
wish I knew what the hell he was saying :rofl
anybody interested in awesome Katana's should look up Micheal Bell at Dragonfly forge.
he creates some amazing stuff...his cable blades are insane. :O
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damn bro....that sword is beautiful :O
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Ink, You can laugh all you want, the reality is, you again get caught trying to imply something you are not. That is was on the weekend that is dedicated to veterans and their sacrifices, is just further telling of how low you are willing to sink.
As you are done, now I am as well.
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:rofl
wow.....
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For its history alone I'd have a Viking sword, but I'm really biased... :)
It was quite the weapon in its time though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeGv_PU4ZkA
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For me I'm torn,while I love the Kats and their beauty,also the manner is which they are used if it came down to it I think I would choose a rapier and dagger!
2 blades for 2 distances,you have the option to slice or stab and the best part the 2 blades work together as 1 to block and pare and in close the dagger is often not even seen!
A nice Toledo steel rapier is a match for any Kat,well almost any Kat!
:salute
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For me I'm torn,while I love the Kats and their beauty,also the manner is which they are used if it came down to it I think I would choose a rapier and dagger!
2 blades for 2 distances,you have the option to slice or stab and the best part the 2 blades work together as 1 to block and pare and in close the dagger is often not even seen!
A nice Toledo steel rapier is a match for any Kat,well almost any Kat!
:salute
Rapiers can deliver harassing cuts, but that's it. They are NOT cutting swords. At all. Also, the rapier doesn't have enough blade mass to push through the katana, while the katana (and longsword, for that matter) can easily force through the rapier.
The rapier has one purpose: street brawls and duels against unarmored opponents.
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Rapiers can deliver harassing cuts, but that's it. They are NOT cutting swords. At all. Also, the rapier doesn't have enough blade mass to push through the katana, while the katana (and longsword, for that matter) can easily force through the rapier.
The rapier has one purpose: street brawls and duels against unarmored opponents.
I understand how the rapier works,just because I prefer it over a longsword or the like doesnt mean a darn thing. You may be correct against an armoured combatant,however I wasnt looking at it that context.
If I chose a cutlass or saber would you have been happier? I know it wouldnt fit my style so I would be next to useless with it,the rapier not so much! I have a couple epees I used to practice with and I've had some experience with Katanas.
I wasnt comparing or considering which is best as thats a matter of opinion and well we all know what opinions are like..... :rolleyes:
I'd rather be on horse back with a lance if thats the case!
:salute
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"Combat or Battle ready" swords is just another category or type of sword. Go to any sword site, and you'll see several categories of swords on offer, usually blunt/theater, sparring/blunt, and combat/battle ready/sharp, although you can often purchase combat/battle ready swords without edges on them. The type of steel, manufacturing process, the quality of the materials, all of it varied depending on the category the sword falls into. So, talking about "combat/battle ready swords", or even owning one, hasn't got much to do with actual "sword combat". It's pretty unlikely that anyone would actually see any real world combat nowadays with a sword in the first place. The odd guy has been caught on camera carrying tomahawk edged weapons in Afghanistan, which often got a snicker or two, but for SAR guys that may need to cut people out of wreckage or what have you, it could have a place there, but for others - the only thing that would make me laugh harder would be a sword.
I friend up here in Canada spun himself a pretty decent business making swords. http://darksword-armory.com/ . Since the Game of Thrones TV show started, he can barely keep stuff in stock.
Myself, I've only really purchased Japanese swords, I started with a Japanese WW2 NCO's sword I inherited that came back from the war, and have bought a few since, a Japanese 1800's era sword and wakisashi set, which was well under 10$k for both when I bought it 15 years ago, and now worth much, much more. For kenjutsu and Iaido which I took up after training in Kendo at our local judo and kendo club as a kid, buying good cutters is easy, a high quality sword can be found for under 1000$ from various companies, www.roninkatana.com being probably the best $ for the buck.
Does anyone make Japanese swords for online MMO's such as they typical popular ones on Steam, like Skyrim, or Obl or ESO?
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the only thing that would make me laugh harder would be a sword.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill
Still want to laugh ;)
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That was in the Second World War, I've read that long ago, my Pipe Major, James McWilliams, had written about him, and mentioned him in one of his books about the war, I can't remember if it was "Suicide Battalion" or another one now. As a piper in a military pipe band, J. Churchill was something of a legend for us younger guys, yet there wasn't many if any cases of him actually USING his sword in combat. Besides, I was referring to warfare of our generation, not from WW2, where officers swords/daggers/etc were somewhat more common, even with battle dress, and there were even cavalry charges in the second world war, with pikes/lances/swords and all. He did kill enemy troops with arrows, but a bow/arrow at ranges under 100 meters even today is still a capable enough first shot weapon so long as surprise is on your side. If not...
The Japanese used swords often enough in WW2 I suppose, not just Katana swords either, but typical western officer's sabers, as well as long bayonets that were sometimes detached from their rifles. Warfare during most of WW2 due to the smaller magazines and prevalence of bolt action rifles in many theaters especially in the early years made a sword something that COULD be used in many situations in an infantry action. Particularly how the Japanese fought, with lots of bayonet Banzai charges - here a sword could have some use by NCO's and officers, once the charge made contact or overwhelmed the enemy troops. However today, with much larger ammunition magazines, and more ammunition being carried by most soldiers, not to mention many carrying a pistol, emergency reloads or transition to secondary firearms is a far, far more effective tactic than drawing a giant razor blade, or bayonet charges for that matter.
If I saw somebody carrying a sword today, complete with their rifle, handgun, plate carrier, gear/vest, and such - yes, I would still laugh. And so would you.
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A full sword is of limited value in modern warfare, but a good knife/machete is an invaluable tool as well as a last resort CQ weapon. I never left my Sami-knife behind when I was in the military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKZEQO_UM00&feature=player_detailpage#t=377
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/tsx/IMG_2063_zps5caf0902.jpg)
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A full sword is of limited value in modern warfare, but a good knife/machete is an invaluable tool as well as a last resort CQ weapon. I never left my Sami-knife behind when I was in the military.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKZEQO_UM00&feature=player_detailpage#t=377
(http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj174/tsx/IMG_2063_zps5caf0902.jpg)
modern knife blades.....
cant go wrong with a Ghurka :aok
who here can tell me what kind of sword this is....without google.....
I made this in blender......oh wait I must be lieing right..... :rolleyes:
I modeled it from a real world sword.... ;)
This is one I would like to own....my ancestors would have carried it. :rock
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/blender/cdbb3353-7c13-4c70-8af3-7f4847b9cec4_zps6848163b.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/blender/cdbb3353-7c13-4c70-8af3-7f4847b9cec4_zps6848163b.jpg.html)
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Irish hilt form, I believe.
Speaking of models, here's one I did combining features of my aluminum waster (basic blade geometry) and practice steel (hilt):
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/061/5/b/longsword_by_ambaryerno-d5wp2av.png)
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would that pommel give enough balance?
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It does on the real one, so yep. Remember that the tang is going to provide a good bit of counterweight as well. Both my steel and aluminum balance 3" out from the guard.
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modern knife blades.....
cant go wrong with a Ghurka :aok
who here can tell me what kind of sword this is....without google.....
I made this in blender......oh wait I must be lieing right..... :rolleyes:
I modeled it from a real world sword.... ;)
This is one I would like to own....my ancestors would have carried it. :rock
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/blender/cdbb3353-7c13-4c70-8af3-7f4847b9cec4_zps6848163b.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/blender/cdbb3353-7c13-4c70-8af3-7f4847b9cec4_zps6848163b.jpg.html)
Celtic crusader sword? Ink, you're just too predicable... ;)
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Celtic crusader sword? Ink, you're just too predicable... ;)
:rofl :P
it is actually a Irish ring Sword....could be named a bit different :headscratch: :D
Irish hilt form, I believe.
Speaking of models, here's one I did combining features of my aluminum waster (basic blade geometry) and practice steel (hilt):
(http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/061/5/b/longsword_by_ambaryerno-d5wp2av.png)
nice work man :aok
what program you using to model?
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The mesh was made in Blender, while the render was done with Unity.
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The mesh was made in Blender, while the render was done with Unity.
nice
same set up I use.
love how Unity reads the blend file.
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Rapiers. Katana. Broadswords.
Bah. Pahtooie!
I submit the gladius hispaniensis, the standard sidearm of the Roman Legions for nearly 500 years. The sword that conquered the known world! 19 to 24 inches of nasty pointy death. Many a long sword wielding barbarian found his downward swing blocked on a legionaries shield (scutum), and then painfully found 2+ inches of Spanish steel shoved into his guts.
Nothing fancy. Just nasty pointy death.
'nuff said!
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Rapiers. Katana. Broadswords.
Bah. Pahtooie!
I submit the gladius hispaniensis, the standard sidearm of the Roman Legions for nearly 500 years. The sword that conquered the known world! 19 to 24 inches of nasty pointy death. Many a long sword wielding barbarian found his downward swing blocked on a legionaries shield (scutum), and then painfully found 2+ inches of Spanish steel shoved into his guts.
Nothing fancy. Just nasty pointy death.
'nuff said!
Do you know why the Roman system beat the Macedonian phalanx? Because the gladius was longer than the dinky little daggers the Macedonians carried as sidearms for close-quarters combat once an enemy was inside their spears.
The gladius was also quickly displaced by the spatha, first among the cavalry and then the infantry, after it was introduced.