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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: mikev on June 04, 2014, 01:59:53 PM
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i am still new to this game and have finally got a stick . i didnt go out and buy the top of the line stick yet but want to work with the cheaper first to see what difference it will make. i got the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick on amazon for $20 new and need help in configuring and any tips that would be helpful during setup. i am sure there are a few critics on my choice but lets not beat me on the head yet ( you will get plenty of chances to do that in the game) haha . there are lots of buttons to configure and besides the x and y and shoot buttons the twist rudder etc. this is all new to me and i have no idea which is which ,any help would be greatly appreciated .
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http://www.hitechcreations.com/getting-started/how-to-configure-your-joystick-or-mouse
You want flaps, wep, radio, secondary weapon release, select secondary weapon within easy reach.
You don't need to program all the buttons to start. Wait until you see what you need beyond the basics.
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It's pretty simple,just plug the stick in and open the game. Then use the map controls interface to program the buttons. All you need do is click the button and it will be highlighted,then select the function from the drop down.
How you setup the stick is really a personal thing and depends on what you fly! If you tend to use bombers some things may be more important to map than say if you fly fighters all the time. You can use the different modes to map 2 functions to a single button,but you need to map a button or key to switch modes.
I would start out slowly and map what is most important to me in a single mode,then once comfortable with it,like in remembering what you mapped.... :devil then you can try using the different modes if you like.
Oh and mode 2 is used for GV's and boats so you can setup a completely different mapping just for that.
Good luck and if you have any questions please feel free to ask!
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i really appreciate the early replies ,my next question is when mapping how will i know which button is which besides the x and y and shoot. the stick im sure the buttons do not have numbers that correspond to the mapping page which button is #2 #3 #4 etc. will this be a trial and error thing i have to go through ?
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i really appreciate the early replies ,my next question is when mapping how will i know which button is which besides the x and y and shoot. the stick im sure the buttons do not have numbers that correspond to the mapping page which button is #2 #3 #4 etc. will this be a trial and error thing i have to go through ?
Like what was said, the system works by double-clicking the button on the stick, you want to map. The game will then display the button you pressed and open a dialog showing all the possible commands you can select to map to it.
You do not need to worry about what the buttons say on the stick, versus what the game sees.
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i am still new to this game and have finally got a stick . i didnt go out and buy the top of the line stick yet but want to work with the cheaper first to see what difference it will make. i got the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro Joystick on amazon for $20 new and need help in configuring and any tips that would be helpful during setup. i am sure there are a few critics on my choice but lets not beat me on the head yet ( you will get plenty of chances to do that in the game) haha . there are lots of buttons to configure and besides the x and y and shoot buttons the twist rudder etc. this is all new to me and i have no idea which is which ,any help would be greatly appreciated .
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I go through a 3D pro every couple of years, I like them enough.
Little side button left of the trigger (set to fire all guns) are primary guns. The hat ontop is views, two of the four buttons is flaps up/down, the other two are zoom in toggle and fire secondary weapon. Twist is rudder, throttle is throttle. Of the six buttons on the left side of the base, the two I use the most and don't ever change is view up and view down (essential to use in combination with the hat switch for good viewing. The other four I change regularly, but I think two of them atm are gear and WEP.
A lot of people look down on the 3D pro, I think for the price and a little time properly setting them up, they're a good deal.
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I go through a 3D pro every couple of years, I like them enough.
Little side button left of the trigger (set to fire all guns) are primary guns. The hat ontop is views, two of the four buttons is flaps up/down, the other two are zoom in toggle and fire secondary weapon. Twist is rudder, throttle is throttle. Of the six buttons on the left side of the base, the two I use the most and don't ever change is view up and view down (essential to use in combination with the hat switch for good viewing. The other four I change regularly, but I think two of them atm are gear and WEP.
A lot of people look down on the 3D pro, I think for the price and a little time properly setting them up, they're a good deal.
Agreed. It's what I use.
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mikev:
Welcome! I use the same joystick with Aces High, and I've had reasonable success with it. I've given a LOT of thought to optimized mapping of the Logitech's buttons with Aces High commands, and I've come up with an arrangement that I really like. It's quite different from the way others use that joystick, so I hope you'll keep an open mind.
Here's a still-shot showing how I like to arrange controls:
(http://askmisterwizard.com/FlightSimMovies/General/ControlsAndCockpits/AcesHighControls.jpg)
(My use of the "hat switch" is controversial. But I bet you will like it if you try it. One way to make this a little less controversial would be to change my "hat back" position for transmitting on your tuned radio channel. I don't do it that way because I use an external, voice-activated radio system that needs no buttons.)
Here is a detailed review that I recently published on the subject, with an associated YouTube video clip:
http://askmisterwizard.com/FlightSimMovies/General/ControlsAndCockpits/Joysticks/Logitech3dProReview/Logitech3dProReviewFullPage.htm
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Just as important get a microphone and preferably a head set with it. While any of us will help you with the game by typing its so much easier being able to talk on a mic. Just ask for help on the help channel. Enjoy the stick and welcome to an actual flight game and not one of those "fly by mouse wannabe's". :salute
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Welcome to the game Mikey. :salute
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WOW!!! extremely impressed with the responses. this is exactly what i was looking for and including pictures makes it that much easier. the videos by bbosen fantastic!! this is more then i expected thats for sure. i do have a mic so i will ask for help when i run into a problem. so a big thank you to all of you!
ps i just hope i dont end up shooting any of you down. so if i do ....salute!!
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WOW!!! extremely impressed with the responses. this is exactly what i was looking for and including pictures makes it that much easier. the videos by bbosen fantastic!! this is more then i expected thats for sure. i do have a mic so i will ask for help when i run into a problem. so a big thank you to all of you!
ps i just hope i dont end up shooting any of you down. so if i do ....salute!!
Mikey likes it!!!!
Sorry couldnt resist! :devil
If you drop by the training arena in the evenings during the week you can usually find me there,I'd be glad to help you get started,maybe even help you shoot one of "US" down. Caution though be prepared to die alot at first,everyone does,it take some time and lots of practice to become proficient in AH.
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:salute welcome if you shot down anyone make sure it morfiend! :cheers: :devil
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I ran one as well up until a year ago when I started I was on a laptop and so I need everything I could get on my stick so I didnt nee to reach for the computer and this is what I use Ill list buttons as they are listed on the stick as the game is off in its number vs the actual stick numbers by one or two If I recall. This set up will have you only go for your keyboard if you need to do anything outside of most combat situations. You can fire all your guns talk to anyone and control your plane in said fights and once you learn it it will be great.
Button 1: Fire all
Button 2: fire secondary
Button 3: secondary select
Button 4: zoom toggle
button 5: has switched a few times but has been tail hook toggle and combat trim toggle
button 6: WEP
button 7: flaps up
button 8: flaps down
button 9: gear toggle
button 10:clipboard minimize/maximize
button 11: radio vox local (F12)
button 12: radion vox channel (T)
Hat switch is used for all views
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wow needless to say i am going to have to get use to this thing. took my first flight and oops crashed lol. did manage a split s at 3000 and made a few good turns with rudder control but in general i was all over the sky struggling to maintain any sense of a normal practice flight totally unable to line up the runway and land which i was getting really good at with the mouse. :o my next question is what is the use of combat trim and how it effects dogfighting and general flight.
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If you fly the P-38 you won't have to worry about trim because the propellers spin opposite directions. With an aircraft with one propeller the spin creates a rotating airflow that twists the aircraft and pushes against the tail. You can correct this with the stick and rudder so that you fly straight. To avoid having to hold yourself straight, trim tabs can be adjusted to correct the twisting airflow from the propeller. This lets you fly straight with less work.
The auto pilot modes will set the required trim. If you use the auto pilot for level flight and turn it off you will still be trimmed for level flight at that speed. The required trim changes as speed changes. When you slow down or speed up you should re-trim. Combat trim sets the trim like auto pilot and also changes the trim for you as the speed changes.
An important difference between combat trim and setting trim with auto pilot is that combat trim just looks at your speed and ignores flaps. This means that combat trim does not set the correct elevator trim when using flaps and you will be tail heavy.
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Just another variation, but what works for me is:
1: fire all
2. fire secondary
3: flaps open
4: flaps closed
5: Zoom in gunsite, and still use keyboard [ & ] to adjust zoom from time to time
6: I can't remember, maybe I should use if for something lol
7. look down to the left
8: look down to right
9: look left and up
10: look right and up
11. Fire machine guns only
12. again probably should use that for something
hat switches are standard
I like where I have the flaps the most out of this whole set up, it's fast for me. For WEP and kp views I have adjusted to my keyboard.
GL and Welcome!
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my next question is what is the use of combat trim and how it effects dogfighting and general flight.
Means different things for different planes but its definitely something you want mapped cause you'll be using it a lot. Its a way to trim quickly if not "exactly" how you need to be. Most of all its a way to trim quickly for more accurate gunning. Some use it more then others and some players dont use it at all, and, has been mentioned setting level flight auto pilot trims you too.
But in a dynamic dogfight I use it a lot to set trim quickly. Then I have manual trim mapped to a wheel on my X52 and often to combat trim off and use manual to trim up when climbing and turning, then hitting combat trim when Im putting guns on the target.
When dive bombing I dont use combat trim at all and only manually trim.
You'll find your best use for it given time as no two players use it the same. Good luck and welcome.
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Combat trim uses a software subroutine within Aces High to try to automate trim settings. If you leave it on, your trim controls will generally be pretty close to what they should be anytime your airplane is flying without flaps and within predictable parameters. As a beginner, you will benefit from Combat trim. Most beginners leave it on all the time.
There are some legends about Combat trim helping you to turn tighter (or preventing you from turning tighter). Ignore those stories: combat trim just helps you keep your joystick centered.
But because it is a logical, programmed tool resident in the software, it isn't very good a handling illogical, uncontrolled flight. When you are approaching a spin or a stall, flying with full flaps, or pressing your speed or climb outside of normal parameters (commonplace in combat), it will fight you, because it will be trying to return you to routine, controlled flight. Advanced players eventually learn when to turn it off. But that will come later. For now, I'd leave it on.
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well here is how i set it up
1 fire all
2 fire secondary
3 switch to secondary
4 wep
5 combat trim
6 auto pilot level
7 flaps down
8 flaps up
9 gear up / down
10 clipboard
11 radio mic (t)
12 radio mic (f12)
my second mission worked out a bit better after getting a check 6 on a plane diving on me i was able to pull up using right rudder make a short roll to burn energy then loop back on to his 6 follow him using the rudder dive left pull up a bit to level and blast him out of the sky.( a maneuver that would of been hard using the old mouse) and although it was my only kill i did survive 2 more check 6 calls and land with only breaking my prop safely lol. i have decided to use the stick for flight only and use the mouse for gv and gunnery.
my next question is stall limiter check or uncheck?
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uncheck the stall limiter it will take a while to get use to but as youre getting used to your stick as well it will be better in the long run.
The stall limiter stops you from pushing the plane to its very edges of its performance envelope while turning pulling out of dives and such like.
I flew with it on for 3 or 4 months then i turnt it off it was like learning the game again just be smooth and progressive on your controls, dont just yank the stick and listen for the stall buzzer. :salute
EatG
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Mike you'll be using combat trim a lot of you get a yen for our tank buster aircraft. We have a nice assortment of GV killers with heavy cannon and often you wont be able to get perfect trim when you dive on one. I suggest you start with an IL2 as the NS-37s are very effective, you get a lot of bullets with it, its a stable platform, and fairly tough. Set convergence to 250 to 300, set your combat trim before you dive, and come down on the tank as vertical as possible. You really have to be trimmed for accurate shooting most of all when trying to pick off a little tank with just a few volleys of heavy cannon.
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Button 1: Fire all
Button 2: fire secondary
Button 3: secondary select <at some point I realized its so easy/fast to find the backspace key, that I don't map it anymore>
Button 4: zoom toggle
button 5: has switched a few times but has been tail hook toggle and combat trim toggle <same, but when I realized how frequently I manual trim and turn CT back on, compared to operating the tail hook, it hasn't changed since
button 6: WEP
button 7: flaps up
button 8: flaps down
button 9: gear toggle
button 10:clipboard minimize/maximize <similar to the backspace key, I think even Stevie wonder after a 5th could find the esc key on the keyboard in a pinch>
button 11: radio vox local (F12)
button 12: radion vox channel (T)
Hat switch is used for all views
Just inserting some opinions to add thought to what I call evolving your stick layout, something worth experimenting with often. Very similar to mine though