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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Puma44 on June 13, 2014, 02:27:21 PM
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Here's a start:
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I forgot how big the Standard ARM was. That guy is going SAM hunting. Craziest job in the Air Force. ;)
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in 1975 I was stationed at Sparrevohn Alaska, at the very top of an extinct volcano watching the Russians. We would scramble Phantoms weekly to intercept, all just games as we would never engage.
On the return trip, many times these interceptors would be going right by our mountain and if you asked nicely, sometimes they would do a fly by.
I would get on the base loudspeaker and announce the fly by and everyone that could would turn out to watch.
The most memorable one was a pair of em, on the deck, hauling butt, then staying right near ground level as they climbed the mountain, rolled, and descended inverted right down the other side. Snow swirled off the dormitory as they passed over it on top of the mountain. Stuff shook. The noise was overwhelming, and, we cold see the smile on the pilots faces, or we imagined it because they had their masks on, but I knew they were smiling.
I love that plane, I always will.
BTW, I was the "weapons controller". I vectored our aircraft to the enemy using not much more that what I use in Aces High to spot incoming missions.
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in 1975 I was stationed at Sparrevohn Alaska, at the very top of an extinct volcano watching the Russians. We would scramble Phantoms weekly to intercept, all just games as we would never engage.
On the return trip, many times these interceptors would be going right by our mountain and if you asked nicely, sometimes they would do a fly by.
I would get on the base loudspeaker and announce the fly by and everyone that could would turn out to watch.
The most memorable one was a pair of em, on the deck, hauling butt, then staying right near ground level as they climbed the mountain, rolled, and descended inverted right down the other side. Snow swirled off the dormitory as they passed over it on top of the mountain. Stuff shook. The noise was overwhelming, and, we cold see the smile on the pilots faces, or we imagined it because they had their masks on, but I knew they were smiling.
I love that plane, I always will.
BTW, I was the "weapons controller". I vectored our aircraft to the enemy using not much more that what I use in Aces High to spot incoming missions.
We would do a similar pass when at Osan. During our telephone brief with Blueboy, the GCI control station on the coast, they would frequently, pretty much always, ask for a "bubble check" on our way out to the airspace. So, it was low, fast, close in, and inverted with the AB cooking in full grunt for noise effect.
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A coworker was an F4 pilot. I ran into him at a meeting sometime later and ask if he was still flying the F4. He said, "No. I lost my edge then I almost made a mistake." He paused as I remember it then said. "Its not a plane that forgives mistakes." That was some forty or so years ago.
Neat plane for sure.
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Sounds like a guy who knew when he was at his limit, and was smart enough to admit it.
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:airplane: Awesome Pic's! What was the climb rate on this "hog"?
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:airplane: Awesome Pic's! What was the climb rate on this "hog"?
More than the VVI could register (6K if I remember correctly) if clean, light, and fast.
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More than the VVI could register (6K if I remember correctly) if clean, light, and fast.
:airplane: I don't think they will ever have another with the sound effects of the Phantom!
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:airplane: I don't think they will ever have another with the sound effects of the Phantom!
Yep, nothing quite like it. The Blues and T-birds sounded the best when driving the Rhino.
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I was a kid at Kelly afb when they still ran B-52 through the big hanger in the 60's. You never had to see what was taking off to know it was a phantom. A B-52 was a wall of low heavy sound all over your body no matter where you were in the housing near base. A phantom went from low and heavy all over your body, to an up level volcanic roar like a dragon clearing its throat next to you. And this was in base housing, not at the end of the runway. Two taking of together, a pair of dragons singing a duet trying to break every window in the county. Other AF jets just sounded so quiet even in after burner.
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Pure grunt horsepower. Anything that would physically strap on the Phantom could be carried out and dropped on someone's head.
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I recently got Wings over Europe on Steam, I liked my run in the F4.
(http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/576771829560928859/1120045E59F4F26F228A07C3842D388F59C3BE2C/)
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The first real Phantoms I ever got to see were these guys.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2383/2054810949_9bee7c527e_o.jpg)
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Well, in my book, this was a better looking plane:
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/Oldman731/F-106A_Chase_Dart.jpeg) (http://s1234.photobucket.com/user/Oldman731/media/F-106A_Chase_Dart.jpeg.html)
- oldman
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Well, in my book, this was a better looking plane:
:huh
The title of this thread says Phantom Admiration society...
Also this thread has to many Gun Nosed Phantoms... time for some real Phantom beauties.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-84_over_Mt_Etna_in_1975.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-84_over_Mt_Etna_in_1975.jpg.html)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-111_in_flight_in_1976.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-111_in_flight_in_1976.jpg.html)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/Three3F-4JPhantomIIfighteraircraftofVF-33fromUSSIndependenceCVA-62c1970soutsideofNASMiramar_zpsb142eb4e.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/Three3F-4JPhantomIIfighteraircraftofVF-33fromUSSIndependenceCVA-62c1970soutsideofNASMiramar_zpsb142eb4e.jpg.html)
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We used to get squadrons rotating in from Ramstein or Torrejón Spain. Usually on the last flight of their rotation they would pull some kind of stunt for the amusement of the troops on the ground. Once I saw an F4 come in very low over the runway, hit both burners, and went up as close to vertical as Ive ever seen an airplane go. Those engines just shook the entire airbase and I'd swear that plane went straight up. I later learned the F15 was the first to ever climb straight up but I'll never forget that F4.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/F4_zpsdfe8400f.jpg)
I was in during a transition time when 15s and later 16s were coming on line replacing a lot of the F4s but I never even saw one of them. After my time in NATO I went to MAC bases and did a long TDY convoying in the south west. So other then Turkish 104s and 100's the F4s were the only fighters I ever saw in 4 years of service.
And those J79s were great engines but man would they smoke. You saw the Phantom long before you heard her.
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Never knew this thread was out there.
I grew up a Marine Corps brat in the 1970s and 1980s. My first sight of these birds was also the Blue Angels. I grew up around Marine Corps Air Stations and ALWAYS built model airplanes. Always wanted to be a F4 Phantom pilot growing up. Though I became a Grunt in the Marines. My love for the F4 Phantom never subsided.
Thanks for posting these pics! Very cool!!!!!
G3-MFs CO (Rodent57) flew these planes and did the transition to the F15 when they phased the F4 out. I have learned a lot from him in this game of all things...
:rock
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Never knew this thread was out there.
I grew up a Marine Corps brat in the 1970s and 1980s. My first sight of these birds was also the Blue Angels. I grew up around Marine Corps Air Stations and ALWAYS built model airplanes. Always wanted to be a F4 Phantom pilot growing up. Though I became a Grunt in the Marines. My love for the F4 Phantom never subsided.
Thanks for posting these pics! Very cool!!!!!
G3-MFs CO (Rodent57) flew these planes and did the transition to the F15 when they phased the F4 out. I have learned a lot from him in this game of all things...
:rock
Just for you. My favorite Marine Phantom colors.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/F-4J_Phantoms_of_VMFA-333_in_flight_in_1976.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/F-4J_Phantoms_of_VMFA-333_in_flight_in_1976.jpg.html)
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Well, in my book, this was a better looking plane:
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff406/Oldman731/F-106A_Chase_Dart.jpeg) (http://s1234.photobucket.com/user/Oldman731/media/F-106A_Chase_Dart.jpeg.html)
- oldman
Now yer talkin' Oldman!
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O.K., back to our regularly scheduled thread. :D
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As a young teenager we had a family friend who had flown F-4s for the USMC. He let me borrow his NATOPS manual for almost a year. I read all through that manual, which was top secret. He informed me that the Soviets would pay many hundreds, maybe a few thousdand dollars for that manual, which was classified. It was awesome! Based on that manual he insisted I could walk up to an F-4, kick the tires and light the fires....until security shot me!
The Phantom is pure classic!
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And those J79s were great engines but man would they smoke. You saw the Phantom long before you heard her.
The smoke and cinders was a common defensive move when someone saddled up on our six. Go to MIL power and blind them with smoke and the "cinders" :lol. When the smokeless engines started showing up, we would sometimes have a clean and a smoker in the jet. It would look like a guy had an engine out coming up initial, completely clean on one side and smoke & cinders coming out the other side, making the jet visible from 30 miles out.
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in 1975 I was stationed at Sparrevohn Alaska,
Imagine that. I was a paratrooper at Ft. Richardson in '75. We were working with a pair of F4s and an O2 practicing close air support. When the jets announced they were low fuel and could only make one pass we asked for a pass on the friendlies. It is awe inspiring to watch an F4 bottom out of his dive below the hilltop (very low hill at that) you are on then come right at you no more than 20' off the deck. He pulled up as he passed over and did 2 rolls as he climbed away nearly vertical --- his wake destroyed our GP Medium tent, blew poncho hootch's apart and generally wreaked havoc. :0 Dash 2 was quite a bit higher when he passed over…probably 50' or so.
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We were gearing up for a jump one very dark, grey rainy day at Elmendorf when two Phantoms came out of the alert shed and took off (Zoney probably dealt with them a few minutes later). I wish I would have had a camera...the sight of the Phantoms roaring down the runway, a sound you have to experience to believe, flames from the tail, huge rooster tail of water from the rain then the planform view as they pulled and went up into the overcast at the end of the runway.
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:huh
The title of this thread says Phantom Admiration society...
Also this thread has to many Gun Nosed Phantoms... time for some real Phantom beauties.
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-84_over_Mt_Etna_in_1975.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-84_over_Mt_Etna_in_1975.jpg.html)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-111_in_flight_in_1976.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/F-4N_Phantom_of_VF-111_in_flight_in_1976.jpg.html)
(http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb180/ralphmunnich/Three3F-4JPhantomIIfighteraircraftofVF-33fromUSSIndependenceCVA-62c1970soutsideofNASMiramar_zpsb142eb4e.jpg) (http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ralphmunnich/media/Three3F-4JPhantomIIfighteraircraftofVF-33fromUSSIndependenceCVA-62c1970soutsideofNASMiramar_zpsb142eb4e.jpg.html)
Great paint jobs! As you probably know, the missile only Phantom drivers in Vietnam promptly determined the missiles wouldn't do the job when stepping in the phone booth with a feisty little Mig. Thus the F-4E with the 20mm gun in the nose for those phone booth fights. It was an indescribable feeling and sound when pulling the trigger the first time, and every time after that. We planned on three, two second bursts (at 6,000 rounds per minute) for each fully loaded gun.
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One of the icons of the Israeli air force. As a child I lived right in between of a Kfir (Israeli upgrade to Mirage III) and Phantom air force bases. Their noise and silhouettes in the skies are something I grew up with.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4Il_rJ6_g7E/Uc6p1OCA5LI/AAAAAAABAjs/l6LUGpGVkUs/s1152/Image002_thumb.jpg)
Arrived in Israel in September 1969, entered combat within a month and got its first kill (mig 21) within two months. Its last kill was during the 1982 Lebanon war by an F4 that was joined by F15s as escorts. On the way back, the Phantom pilot spotted Mig 21s, so without saying a word he broke formation and went after the migs, trying to get a head start on the F15s... It worked, he got the only F4 kill of that war. F16s and F15 stole all the others.
The IAF eventually had a custom and significantly upgraded version, the Kurnas (sledgehammer) 2000, made by the Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI). Complete new avionics, upgraded engines and an excellent ground scanning radar. I was sorry to see them taken out of service. In my mind it resembled the P-47 - a brute so ugly that it is beautiful. Only the old school american industry could build a plane with no regards to aesthetics and somehow it would still have its own charm.
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- a brute so ugly that it is beautiful. Only the old school american industry could build a plane with no regards to aesthetics and somehow it would still have its own charm.
That's why Phantom crews referred to it as "Double Ugly" or more affectionately the "Rhino" because it was a big, powerful brute, and ugly......not to mention the side profile resemblance.
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It's funny how the years slip away. These old Phantoms and 106's are as obsolete now as Pony's and Jugs were when I was a kid. I can still remember the first time an AF F-4E roared over my house. I had this huge grin on my face. :)
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Another, truly iconic image.
(http://img.mako.co.il/2013/08/14/phantom_g.jpg)
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Puma you drove F4's?
I remember when Israel offered that upgrade. The Turks bought into it I believe and it bought a lot of time for airframes that would have otherwise been retired. The initial sale of F4s to Israel was timely as they were basically in an undeclared state of war in the early '70s and the Arabs feared the Phantom. They used it mostly as a ground pounder but that was where it was needed. Most of all against the Egyptian AA radar sights and artillery. I remember there was also a big ATA fight in that era where the IAF Phantoms shot down a bunch of MIGs tho the details are forgotten to me.
The IDF is modeled under western standards where junior officers and non-coms are given full authority to change battle plans and then backed up afterwards. If his orders are to go right and he see's it would be suicide he will go left and be supported. In the Arab armys, modeled to the Soviet model, going left will get you shot. Obedience to the regime is even more important then winning and thats our real advantage.
I think Iran is the only country still operating Phantoms. I might be wrong, Turkey and Israel might still have some for maritime strike. To this day I wouldnt underestimate them.
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Greece, Japan, South Korea, and Turkey also continue to operate the F-4.
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Puma you drove F4's?
Yep!
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When I was stationed at Ft. Campbell in the early 70's we used to truly hate the Phantom drivers. We would be minding our business out in the boonies doing some training when they would practice attacks on us. They would scare the fool out of you on the first run as you never saw them coming, just ear busting noise as they climbed out and did it again. :D
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Yep!
What years may I ask? Dont worry, I know better then to ask what squadrons/Bases.
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82-87
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Imagine that. I was a paratrooper at Ft. Richardson in '75. We were working with a pair of F4s and an O2 practicing close air support. When the jets announced they were low fuel and could only make one pass we asked for a pass on the friendlies. It is awe inspiring to watch an F4 bottom out of his dive below the hilltop (very low hill at that) you are on then come right at you no more than 20' off the deck. He pulled up as he passed over and did 2 rolls as he climbed away nearly vertical --- his wake destroyed our GP Medium tent, blew poncho hootch's apart and generally wreaked havoc. :0 Dash 2 was quite a bit higher when he passed over…probably 50' or so.
It's a small world Colmbo :salute
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When I was stationed at Ft. Campbell in the early 70's we used to truly hate the Phantom drivers. We would be minding our business out in the boonies doing some training when they would practice attacks on us. They would scare the fool out of you on the first run as you never saw them coming, just ear busting noise as they climbed out and did it again. :D
We enjoyed doing that for you grunts but, I only did it by invitation. We did a nice two ship one in Egypt once with a shackle, vertical aileron rolls, and flares. It was by invitation from the AF ALO embedded with the armored unit. He screamed how pleased the "GENERAL" was with our pass and asked for a second one. I asked what General, and he replied, "the Corp Commander". Using some judgement at that point, I replied that we were Bingo and RTB. :bolt:
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Well over 5,000 produced over a 36 year service life that saw all three jet services use them extensively. Just seeing them screwing around making practice ground runs would almost make you drop a load in your pants ; I can only imagine what it was like to be the enemy seeing one coming in on you to make you a crispy critter.
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IMO the Phantom is by far and away the most successful truly multirole fighter made in terms of how many air forces accepted it. Used by every service by the Army, used by more allies than you can shake sticks at, and still in service, what, 6 decades on (60s, 70s, etc on through to the 2010's).
After reading Mark Berent's books, the Rolling Thunder series, I became really interested in the F4, as he was a pilot of the Phantom for several tours in Vietnam. Some great F4 vs Mig21 write ups in all that material.
Nefarious, got any "non gun chin" F4G pics, with the RWR and ECW stuff up in that spot instead of the M61? Nice VF111 Sundowners pic, that was my fav squadron to build models of the F4 and F14 with, everybody loves the Sundowners scheme. I read another great Phatom book written by a F4G Weasel pilot about his experience in the 1st Gulf War, attacking airbases with multiple Sa2, SA3, and Mig 29 threats in the old F4G.
Great quote from that book -
“More than most aircraft, the F-4G was built around the fellow in the back seat, who often pushed the pickle button for the missiles, I was busy not so much looking for SAM sites as using the radar to look for enemy aircraft or for friendlies that might cause fratricide. I was mostly head-down in the cockpit.”
F-4G Advanced Wild Weasels flew many hundreds of other combat missions without suffering losses – taking out 74 percent of the enemy missile radars destroyed during the war. Just one F-4G Phantom was lost.
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Fighter Pilot: The Memoirs of Legendary Ace Robin Olds talks extensively about when he commanded the 8th Tactical Fighter Wing, based at Ubon Royal Thai Air Force Base flying Phantoms 1965ish. While it goes pretty heavily into his personal life, as it should obviously, it also has plenty of P38 and P51 action. Highly recommended read. :aok
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If the F4 Phantom ever deserved praise the most it would come from, I believe, its performance during the Yom Kippur war. Its K/D ratio was in the area of 15 to 1 but that really doesnt mean much. If it was for the F4 the IAF never would have reduced Arab AAA batteries and other high value ground targets and never would have been able to wrest the initiative away from their enemy.
So without the F4s this war probably would have gone nuclear and/or super power involvement and who knows what would have happened after that?
Luckily America resupplied the Israelis thru Operation Nickle Grass, including many F4 Phantoms, and the Phantom performed admirably. Perhaps even preventing a wider holocaust. Perhaps even it was the airplanes finest hour.
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If the F4 Phantom ever deserved praise the most it would come from, I believe, its performance during the Yom Kippur war. Its K/D ratio was in the area of 15 to 1 but that really doesnt mean much. If it was for the F4 the IAF never would have reduced Arab AAA batteries and other high value ground targets and never would have been able to wrest the initiative away from their enemy.
So without the F4s this war probably would have gone nuclear and/or super power involvement and who knows what would have happened after that?
Luckily America resupplied the Israelis thru Operation Nickle Grass, including many F4 Phantoms, and the Phantom performed admirably. Perhaps even preventing a wider holocaust. Perhaps even it was the airplanes finest hour.
The F4s were unable to destroy the Egyptian SAMs and suffered heavy losses. The SAMs were destroyed by the tank force, led by Ariel Sharon that crossed the Suez canal through a gap in the Egyptian forces and rampaged everything behind the front, on the west side of the canal. With the SAMs gone, the IAF could move in and hammer the Egyptian army now trapped on the east side canal.
AFAIK, the US did not supply any planes during the war. All the F4s arrived before. It did send large amount of munitions and small weapons that were surplus from the Vietnam war. One of my M-16s during my service was from one of those series that were used in Vietnam and delivered to the IDF in 1973. Unlike the 6-days war, the role of the IAF in the final result was much smaller. This time it was the ground forces, and in particular the tanks that did most of the work.
The F4s took such a beating from the SAMs that Ezer Weizmann (legendary ex-air force commander and future president of Israel) said metaphorically that "the missile has bent the wing of the plane". The lessons were learned though and 9 years later in 1982 (Lebanon war) the Syrian SAMs were obliterated with out losses. The IAF did not use the F4s like the american wild weasels to do it, but used other kind of weapons and combined arms tactics.
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Phantoms were thrown into action on both fronts and faced a variety of new threats, including vehicle-mounted SA- 6 and shoulder-mounted SA-7 Strella surface-to-air missiles. The Israelis struck decisively against Syrian SAM sites on October 7, and acknowledged the loss of one Phantom in that fighting.
Before the October 1973 conflict, the United States had been delivering Phantoms at the rate of two per month. When war erupted, Operation Nickel Grass followed, through which F-4Es pulled directly from the U. S. inventory were ferried to Israel and immediately thrown into battle, once modified with the Israeli-style refueling receptacle on the right front in place of the U.S.-style dorsal receptacle. One TISEO-equipped late model F-4E actually flew into combat still wearing an SJ tail code telling the world that it had just arrived from Colonel Len C. Russell's 4th Thactical Fighter Wing at Seymour Johnson Air Force Base, N.C.
Thirty-four Phantoms were added to Israel's inventory through Operation Nickel Grass. Counting further purchases made after the 1973 fighting, Israel received 204 Phantoms in all. http://www.historynet.com/mcdonnell-f-4-phantom-essential-aircraft-in-the-air-warfare-in-the-middle-east.htm
The F4s were unable to destroy the Egyptian SAMs and suffered heavy losses. The SAMs were destroyed by the tank force, led by Ariel Sharon that crossed the Suez canal through a gap in the Egyptian forces and rampaged everything behind the front, on the west side of the canal. With the SAMs gone, the IAF could move in and hammer the Egyptian army now trapped on the east side canal.
AFAIK, the US did not supply any planes during the war. All the F4s arrived before. It did send large amount of munitions and small weapons that were surplus from the Vietnam war. One of my M-16s during my service was from one of those series that were used in Vietnam and delivered to the IDF in 1973. Unlike the 6-days war, the role of the IAF in the final result was much smaller. This time it was the ground forces, and in particular the tanks that did most of the work.
The F4s took such a beating from the SAMs that Ezer Weizmann (legendary ex-air force commander and future president of Israel) said metaphorically that "the missile has bent the wing of the plane". The lessons were learned though and 9 years later in 1982 (Lebanon war) the Syrian SAMs were obliterated with out losses. The IAF did not use the F4s like the american wild weasels to do it, but used other kind of weapons and combined arms tactics.
Yes that is true. I went from memory and mixed up the Bekka Valley battle with the YK War.
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I have posted these photos before, they belong to a Phantom RIO by the name of "Hamfist" He was helping Verm with technical stuff on Targetwares Target:Hanoi Mod. My dad helped out a little too and they got to meet each other online and share stories. I would link to the message on the forum but it is gone.
Ironically, my dad and him were on the same cruise in the Med during Yom Kippur. My dad was with VA-65 which is one of the Squadrons Tanker Pics above. It was my dads first Cruise on the Indy, They were in Athens when Yom Kippur broke out. They left Greece in such a hurry, lots of squadron personel were left there and had to be flown back to the CV. My dad was in the Navy for 20 years, and he said it was more intense than during Desert Storm. He said it felt like the real deal, they were loading Nukes on Intruders.
Figured I would share these because they are cool and from someones collection. <S>
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Ironically, my dad and him were on the same cruise in the Med during Yom Kippur. My dad was with VA-65 which is one of the Squadrons Tanker Pics above. It was my dads first Cruise on the Indy, They were in Athens when Yom Kippur broke out. They left Greece in such a hurry, lots of squadron personel were left there and had to be flown back to the CV. My dad was in the Navy for 20 years, and he said it was more intense than during Desert Storm. He said it felt like the real deal, they were loading Nukes on Intruders.
It was the "real deal". Two large Mediterranean fleets circling each other armed to the teeth and on trip wire. If one side fired there wouldnt be enough time to consult with higher command regarding retaliation so the fate of the world rested in the hands of two Admirals, one American and one Soviet. The only chance the Reds had was to launch everything at the USN CVs because the Soviet fleet wouldnt survive a USN air strike and SSN attack. And they knew it. Yom Kippur was even scarier then Cuba because there were players and decisions the Super Powers couldnt control.
Who knows? Maybe the presence of the 6th fleet and those air planes saved the world from catastrophe. The Israelis would have surely used nukes if they couldnt count on US resupply along with the deterrence of the 6'th fleet. And who knows what would have happened after that genie was let loose? A very scarey piece of History your dad was involved in.
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Cool pics Nefarious. F4s look so odd without the cannon. I've never seen a real one without it except for the PR version. I've read somewhere that in 73 the IAF still made more gun kills than missiles kills, though I do not have the full break down, so it could be largely due to the Mirages. A fighter without a cannon, that's just crazy...
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Cool pics Nefarious. F4s look so odd without the cannon. I've never seen a real one without it except for the PR version. I've read somewhere that in 73 the IAF still made more gun kills than missiles kills, though I do not have the full break down, so it could be largely due to the Mirages. A fighter without a cannon, that's just crazy...
I on the other hand do not like the look of the gun nosed phantoms, it to me seems out of place.
It was the "real deal". Two large Mediterranean fleets circling each other armed to the teeth and on trip wire. If one side fired there wouldnt be enough time to consult with higher command regarding retaliation so the fate of the world rested in the hands of two Admirals, one American and one Soviet. The only chance the Reds had was to launch everything at the USN CVs because the Soviet fleet wouldnt survive a USN air strike and SSN attack. And they knew it. Yom Kippur was even scarier then Cuba because there were players and decisions the Super Powers couldnt control.
Who knows? Maybe the presence of the 6th fleet and those air planes saved the world from catastrophe. The Israelis would have surely used nukes if they couldnt count on US resupply along with the deterrence of the 6'th fleet. And who knows what would have happened after that genie was let loose? A very scarey piece of History your dad was involved in.
My dad was a young flight deck troubleshooter at the time, what worried him was the fact that the pilots and crews were carrying sidearms. The only other time he saw it being done in 20 years. Older shipmates of his were worried about all the live munitions like Rockets and CBU's that were being launched and recovered, with stories of the Forrestal and the Enterprise accidents still fresh on lots of minds. My dad says you could see Soviet ships right off the flight deck, and from what I understand the Israelis were launching mock attacks on both NATO and Soviet warships.
Craziness for sure.
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I myself love the F4-Phantom, definitely my favorite airplane of all time.
(Warning, F4-Pronz heavy)
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