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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: BowHTR on June 14, 2014, 10:07:46 AM
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I understand that the P-70 was an A20, but it would be nice to have the 4 20s as an option.
In October 1940, the USAAC felt a need for long-range fighters more than attack bombers, sixty of the production run of A-20s were converted to P-70 night fighters, all delivered by September 1942. They were equipped with SCR-540 radar (a copy of the British AI Mk IV), the glazed nose often painted black to reduce glare and hide the details of the radar set, and had four 20 mm (.79 in) forward-firing cannon, each provided with 120 rounds, in a tray in the lower part of the bomb bay, while the upper part held an additional 250 gal (946 ltr) fuel tank. In 1943, between June and October, 13 A-20Cs and 51 A-20Gs were converted to P-70A. Differences were to be found in the armament, with the 20mm cannon package replaced by an A-20G gun nose with six .50 caliber guns installed, the SCR-540 radar installation being carried in the bomb bay with the transmitting antenna protruding between the nose guns. Further P-70 variants were produced from A-20G and J variants. The singular airframe P-70B-1 (converted from an A-20G) and subsequent P-70B-2s (converted from A-20Gs and Js) had American centimetric radar (SCR-720 or SCR-729) fitted. The P-70s and P-70As saw combat only in the Pacific during World War II and only with the USAAF. The P-70B-1 and P-70B-2 aircraft never saw combat but served as night fighter aircrew trainers in the US in Florida and later in California. All P-70s were retired from service by 1945.
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No. A-20's will ONLY carry the 4 20mm package, and become ho monsters, and formidable quasi fighters. Additionally, they will share the same icon, making even the few .50 armed A-20's treated differently.
If HTC perks it, maybe. But I still won't like it.
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No. A-20's will ONLY carry the 4 20mm package, and become ho monsters, and formidable quasi fighters. Additionally, they will share the same icon, making even the few .50 armed A-20's treated differently.
If HTC perks it, maybe. But I still won't like it.
Do you go head on with a Typh, Temp, 110, 410, 262, Mossy, or anything else that has cannon? You can avoid the head on shots.
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Still not a good justification for getting it. Low numbers, unreliable, barely used, and arguably detrimental to the game if unrestricted.
There's not one good thing to say about this, aside from guys like Cobia and those that think they are like Cobia going "coooool!!!".
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Still not a good justification for getting it. Low numbers, unreliable, barely used, and arguably detrimental to the game if unrestricted.
Why would a P70 be more unreliable than a standard A20?
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The A-20 G model allso had the 4 x 20mm and 2 50. in the cheek,over 500 of these wher built.
no reason they cant be added to the game
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No P-70 because it will generate the same thing as the LA-7 , everyone fly with 3*"20 and on a selected few flew it real life .
If the P70 become reality, 4*20mm ki84, 150 grade fuel,4*20mm p51 with 150 grade fuel and mk103 190s with r4m and gm-1, yak3p 3*20 could become also be closer to reality with the same reasoning.
Qakebirds here we come.
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Why would a P70 be more unreliable than a standard A20?
The 20mm's had a hell of a reputation for jamming.
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The A-20 G model allso had the 4 x 20mm and 2 50. in the cheek,over 500 of these wher built.
no reason they cant be added to the game
I agree,although I think it would need to be controlled with a nominal perk cost otherwise I think all you would see is the cannon armed versions.
What I dont understand is most would welcome the A26 with all those 50 cals but the mere mention of a cannon armed A20 and all you hears are cries of foul.
We already have several planes with as much and even more firepower,and as for reliablity,well thats not modeled into any weapon we have.
:salute
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I agree,although I think it would need to be controlled with a nominal perk cost otherwise I think all you would see is the cannon armed versions.
What I dont understand is most would welcome the A26 with all those 50 cals but the mere mention of a cannon armed A20 and all you hears are cries of foul.
We already have several planes with as much and even more firepower,and as for reliablity,well thats not modeled into any weapon we have.
:salute
I think part of it is that the A-26 has an even higher wingloading than the 410, and convergence since many are wing mounted.
And the A-26 would certainly be perked.
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I agree,although I think it would need to be controlled with a nominal perk cost otherwise I think all you would see is the cannon armed versions.
What I dont understand is most would welcome the A26 with all those 50 cals but the mere mention of a cannon armed A20 and all you hears are cries of foul.
We already have several planes with as much and even more firepower,and as for reliablity,well thats not modeled into any weapon we have.
:salute
Well, it kind of annoys me how much damage an a20 can take now. Unless I can get the round right on the edge of the wing to rip a piece of the wing off, the a20 can take at least 3-5 rounds of 30mm. For 50cals it's quite a bit unless you get lucky and hit the pilot, but unlike the p38 the pilot is quite fairly protected from the 3 6 and 9 o clock positions. Adding 20 mils on that flying tank that dogfights might not be a good idea. I'm not really for this plane, but not against it either. As previously mentioned, it had medium/high jam rate, which currently (thankfully) isn't modeled in Aces High.
I fear with the addition of this plane that we might get weapon jamming. And if this plane was added and didn't have that, well, the responses wouldn't be kind. Again, not really for or against it, but these are my concerns on the matter. :salute
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All it would do is encourage people like ghi to use F3 mode and stick steer then pull up into you while you are climbing or moving away.
Huge -1
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The 20mm's had a hell of a reputation for jamming.
and no other guns in use on other planes jammed ever right ? :rofl
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The P-70 was a failure as a variant of the A-20. I think it only accounted for no more than 2 A2A kills and were used mostly in the interdiction/ground attack role. On top of that, it only served in very limited numbers with the majority serving stateside as trainers for the P-61.
ack-ack
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and no other guns in use on other planes jammed ever right ? :rofl
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Not at the rate that US built Hispanos did.
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No P-70 because it will generate the same thing as the LA-7 , everyone fly with 3*"20 and on a selected few flew it real life .
If the P70 become reality, 4*20mm ki84, 150 grade fuel,4*20mm p51 with 150 grade fuel and mk103 190s with r4m and gm-1, yak3p 3*20 could become also be closer to reality with the same reasoning.
Qakebirds here we come.
<Devil's Advocate mode> Don't you fly that space battleship, the 190A-8?
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The 20mm's had a hell of a reputation for jamming.
HTC does not model unreliability.
Also, if it was produced and flew in squadron strength, that is enough to warrant inclusion
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HTC does not model unreliability.
Also, if it was produced and flew in squadron strength, that is enough to warrant inclusion
So long as you are OK with the .50 armed A-20G going extinct, sure.
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Do you go head on with a Typh, Temp, 110, 410, 262, Mossy, or anything else that has cannon? You can avoid the head on shots.
I go head on with 262s, and it's easy to win when you do :D
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So long as you are OK with the .50 armed A-20G going extinct, sure.
That's not my point. I am simply stating the truth. I am not a big A20 guy anyway but based on known criterion, this model should get the same consideration as any.
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So long as you are OK with the .50 armed A-20G going extinct, sure.
Karnak,I'm sure you were around when the Chog was introduced and all we saw were Chogs everywhere. The solution was a small perk cost,the only question would be the type of perks used,would you need fighter perks or bomber perks.
I guess I dont understand,this comes up quite often and it's always the same lame excuses. Maybe,just maybe there's more guys afraid Cobia will be even more deadly because of the cannons,that I could understand but to be afraid of a bomber....... :rolleyes:
:salute
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That's not my point. I am simply stating the truth. I am not a big A20 guy anyway but based on known criterion, this model should get the same consideration as any.
Agreed. I just want controlls put on it so that the historically common version remains the common version. A light perk cost would do nicely. While they are at it a light perk on the three cannon La-7 would be nice, and a lightly perked four cannon Ki-84 added.
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Agreed. I just want controlls put on it so that the historically common version remains the common version. A light perk cost would do nicely. While they are at it a light perk on the three cannon La-7 would be nice, and a lightly perked four cannon Ki-84 added.
Concur on all points except a 4 cannon or 30mm Ki-84 should be perked like a C-Hog. Depends on what you think "lightly perked" means.
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Concur on all points except a 4 cannon or 30mm Ki-84 should be perked like a C-Hog. Depends on what you think "lightly perked" means.
C-Hog is lightly perked in my opinion.
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+1 :aok
this would be awesome plane to attack ground vehicles
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+1 :aok
this would be awesome plane to attack ground vehicles
What do you possibly plane to do against a tank with 20mm's? Chip their paint?
You are probably one of those people who strafe TigerII's with a Spit16 hoping to kill it.
All 20mm's do to tanks with decent armor is make weird noises and make us laugh.
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What do you possibly plane to do against a tank with 20mm's? Chip their paint?
You are probably one of those people who strafe TigerII's with a Spit16 hoping to kill it.
All 20mm's do to tanks with decent armor is make weird noises and make us laugh.
Laugh all you want. The gv guys don't when I'm near.
Kill them all the time. check my stats. (edit) Pilot name is Ringo.
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Well hell, I guess if you pump enough rounds into the tracks, you've technically done the most damage. But if you think you're killing Tigers with 20mm's, it's physically impossible to do so unless one is flipped over.
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What do you possibly plane to do against a tank with 20mm's? Chip their paint?
You are probably one of those people who strafe TigerII's with a Spit16 hoping to kill it.
All 20mm's do to tanks with decent armor is make weird noises and make us laugh.
If HTC allowed us to load out different ammo types then you would fear 20mms in almost all tanks in AH.
A.P. Mk III Performance:
Striking Velocity 200 Yards with 350pfs AC speed: 3200
Penetration at 200 yards (0 degrees): 67mm
Penetration at 200 yards (30 degrees): 48mm
Striking Velocity 400 Yards with 350pfs AC speed : 2850
Penetration at 400 yards (0 degrees): 51mm
Penetration at 400 yards (30 degrees): 38mm
These were available in late 43 for the Hispano cannons.
Even the earlier AP rounds would be workable in the Anti-GV role.
http://www.wwiiequipment.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=96:hispano-20mm-armour-piercing-ammunition&catid=44:gunsrockets&Itemid=60
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Well hell, I guess if you pump enough rounds into the tracks, you've technically done the most damage. But if you think you're killing Tigers with 20mm's, it's physically impossible to do so unless one is flipped over.
Seen a tiger and tiger 2 once each, that were upsidedown.
Tiger took 8k before it died, and the T2 took over 30k. All were near-direct hits, was quite funny :lol
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Well hell, I guess if you pump enough rounds into the tracks, you've technically done the most damage. But if you think you're killing Tigers with 20mm's, it's physically impossible to do so unless one is flipped over.
Unless you were someone in the 367th Dynamite gang, we had a ground pounder who loved to drive around in his jeep and go inside Tigers and destroy them, it was a riot to see 200 blow up with angry newbies because it was a bug.
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I do, but I don't want to see everyone with GM-1 and mk103 /r4m on it. they where rare.
Standard version of the A8 is what we have today.
Standard version is what I want to see flying in the MA, and if someone want to put out hefty perkies for using a non-standard version, its all-right for me.
Those non-standard planes should have a special character on the icon that single them out as non-standard version, due to ordnance / other special features.
Worst example in MA is the La-7 with its 3 guns, un-perked when standard version used 2 guns.
I have never heard of anyone taking the RL common 2 gun LA-7 version in the MA.
<Devil's Advocate mode> Don't you fly that space battleship, the 190A-8?