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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: MrGeezer on June 19, 2014, 03:11:52 PM
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Since this is THE interneticalphaschizzleness board of the virtual, I need to ask some guitar questions.
First off: One Fender Squire Strat, One Korean Red Bass, new sets of strings for both, strap, jumper, mini-amp, jumpers, pics, etc.
Skills: Equivilent to a monkey with 4 fingers missing, N00b, cheeze whiz, The Pauly Shore of Guitar, unable to find butt in the dark with both hands. Consider this guy as green as they come.
Willingness to Learn: 10
Mode Preference: Internet
Cost: Yeah, free is too much to ask, but I can pitch in for some.
Guitar freeks, axe wielders, Riff Rangers, Flyin Fingers & Burnin Strangs, David Gilmour, Eddie, Slash officianatos:
I want to learn guitar from an internet source. I watch youtube videos on whow to SEE someone playing it, and I get that. The Chord and Notes I have no clue on yet. So sheet music learning is not appealing to me, especially as an old, disabled geezer. I saw someone recommend a website of such a learning method a few months ago, but it wasn't worth raising the dead in a thread. I want to learn Blues, 50's-60's simple pop-rock, then Floyd, Van Halen, Ozzy, Rob Zombie. In six months I want to open my garage door and crank out riffs so the bears start looking for a drum kit.
Help, please, informational and tips below...and thank you in advance.
An old geezer needs to work on dexterity after nerve damage and nerve ablasion operations. Use it or lose it, eh?
God Bless,
ROX
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I notice you say you would avoid sheet music. you don't really have to read music, they typically give guitar music with tabs (tabluature) which shows fingering with numbers. its insanely simple. I started 25 years ago with nothing but the book of sheet music / tabs for one of my favorite iron maiden records and just spent time working on it..
I think this is a more rewarding method than starting with "basics". get the tab book of a record you really like and when you start playing it you can instantly tell if its working.
also get a tuner.
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Try this one here..... http://www.justinguitar.com/ I have picked up a few things there. He has a lot of things to mess with, and it is free. He does ask for donations, but it is not required.
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This sounds similar to how Nikki Sixx started.
Start with this one first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7fYTyYh0s&list=PLC26DCCD7954DA0B5&index=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an7fYTyYh0s&list=PLC26DCCD7954DA0B5&index=1) :t :bhead :rock :devil :salute
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You should learn at least enough theory to understand why rock and blues is generally a 1 4 5 progression and how to spell chords. You will express yourself better when you know the language beyond memorizing phrases.
Work the neck with exercises, diatonic, major , and pentatonic scales to develop finger control.
If it's hard to press the strings down tune down a half step. Don't set your strings too low, that's a common newbie mistake.
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I 2nd, what FLS posted
Also, I recommend you use light strings ( I prefer elixir brand )
Get your self a full size "all chords" wall chart to show finger placement... Should be easy to find
For trying to self teach, tablature/tabs is very easy...
I started around 12 yrs old with 2 different instructors and am now 46... Get lost in yourself and realize that 4 hours just flew by while you was jamming...
Best of luck to you
TC
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I would add that there are numerous free lessons on youtube that walk you through.
Start out with open(bar chords) to develop transitioning from one to next.
Learn a chord a day. Play it until you have finger positioning done without thinking about it.
You'll be jamming before you know it.
Don't listen to the nay sayers about open chords.
Malcolm Young from AC/DC played a very successful career using bar chords almost exclusively.
:cheers: Oz
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http://www.vanderbilly.com/
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my 2 cents,
youtube has basics, learn basic chords. many songs can be played with basic chords. build up your fingertips. then you can start to learn the scales. try to learn the notes then you will see how the scales interact with the chords.
and I won't forget as you get going you can practice the string bending, hammer ons, pull offs etc.
Don't forget to watch a video on using your pick, important.
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First, learn the G chord.
Next, get the C chord down.
The D chord is a little annoying when you're starting out, but get it also.
Throw in an Am every now and then and you can scratch the 1st half off that bucket list of yours :D
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wretched guitar.. took months for me to learn that awful stuff.. lol :aok
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First, learn the G chord.
Next, get the C chord down.
The D chord is a little annoying when you're starting out, but get it also.
Throw in an Am every now and then and you can scratch the 1st half off that bucket list of yours :D
AMEN!
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First, learn the G chord.
Next, get the C chord down.
The D chord is a little annoying when you're starting out, but get it also.
Throw in an Am every now and then and you can scratch the 1st half off that bucket list of yours :D
As FLS said, learn some theory. Knowing chord patterns helps a lot! And as ozrocker mentioned, even successful guitar heroes use bar chords. Learning how to bar the basic chords E and A and their minors and sevenths you can play almost any song in any key which is good if you're accompanying a singer or yourself. The pentatonic scale is worth learning, you can easily improvise nice blues/country licks using it.
[edit]There may be better, but I somehow like the style of SecretGuitarTeacher in Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1NLL4hFt-QcV_2F0PmxlvLp6H8HC8MDW (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1NLL4hFt-QcV_2F0PmxlvLp6H8HC8MDW)
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This guy has a lot of free tutorials as well as a bunch you can buy for really cheap and he'll send to you on a USB.
http://www.youtube.com/user/groovydjs/
Some people love his stuff, some people hate him. I will say that even after having been a player for nearly 30 years, I have been able to pick up some interesting ideas (mostly on the tech side) from him.
Warning though... if you're sensitive about foul language and cursing... you probably wont make it through more than sixty seconds of some of his vids.
General word of advice about anything you find on a "This is how to play X song" on places like youtube, vanderbilly, licklibrary, any "Tab" place, etc... 99% of them will show you the wrong way to play the song. If you're at all serious, and have any decent tone sense, once you learn the chords, and more importantly, the different voicings, figure stuff out for yourself.
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I'm not going to give any advice on the lessons, but I will help you out when it comes to gear. Iv'e got two basses and two amps, along with 2 cords, 2 sets of strings for each bass, two straps, two stands, two cases and 2 pedals.
2 of everything helps. I mean that when I say it, lose a cord and you got another, an amp blows out and you have another. A guitar craps out and you have another. (However the last one might be a bit out of the picture).
As far as your amps, DO NOT EVER FOR NEVER EVER PUT THAT GUITAR INTO YOUR BASS AMP AND VISE VERSA! You will destroy that amp in absolutely no time at all! DO NOT DO THAT FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT IN THIS WORLD!
Some additional gear that might be useful for you is a set of headphones for your amp, I have a pair of Behringer HPS3000 headphones for my bass amp and they work wonderfully. Extra picks is nothing to be ashamed of, the more the better. Cant be short of a metronome either and if you happen to have a tuner on you, that'd be great. Also don't solely rely on that tuner. Be sure you can tune without it through another guitar/player. Something not needed but rather helpful if you ever find yourself down a tuning peg is a tuning peg and screw just in case.
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Learn D, A, Bm, G You'll be able to play many songs out there :aok
:cheers: Oz
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If you don't start by drilling your fingers with exercises you will limit your progress.
Get a tuner and always tune first. Drill for two weeks at least before you start trying chords.
Play every note, use all 4 fingers to cover 4 frets then go up a string, after the high E string go up
4 frets and repeat for the whole neck, up and down. Do this as often as you can. As you learn some
theory you can add major and pentatonic scales and chords.
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As far as your amps, DO NOT EVER FOR NEVER EVER PUT THAT GUITAR INTO YOUR BASS AMP AND VISE VERSA! You will destroy that amp in absolutely no time at all! DO NOT DO THAT FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND RIGHT IN THIS WORLD!
this is absolute nonsense.
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First, learn the G chord.
Next, get the C chord down.
The D chord is a little annoying when you're starting out, but get it also.
Throw in an Am every now and then and you can scratch the 1st half off that bucket list of yours :D
Throw in an E and an Em and you got almost all the Eric Clapton songs you need.
:)
NwBie
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this is absolute nonsense.
Sort of. I know Fender Bassman amps are quite popular among guitar players, but I wouldn't play a bass through a guitar amp at high gain and volume.
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You wanna tell him he's doing it wrong? Pretty sure that's just and old plexi.....which of course is a sort of a Bassman copy...whatever.
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/culture_test/motorhead%20lemmy%20marshall%20amp%20arena%20rock%20615.jpg)
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this is absolute nonsense.
Well....it is bit overstated.
Running a guitar through a bass amp is not intrinsically dangerous for the bass amp. Tonally it may not give a satisfying sound, but it won't hurt it.
Running a bass guitar or keyboard or any other instrument capable of very low notes through a guitar amp however does have some risk. Not to the electronics generally, but to the speaker.
Most modern bass combo amp/ speaker enclosures are sealed or ported to help the speaker reproduce the very low notes and handle the power required. Many, not all, but many, guitar combo amps are open in the back. That's because the frequencies produced by a guitar are easily handled by this design and there is no need to design a tuned enclosure. It's called an infinite baffle for you inquiring minds. If you try to reproduce notes like what a bass will make at any kind of stage/jam session or late night I don't give a toejame about the neighbor stress reliever. You run a good chance of destroying the speaker and depending on the electronics, literally smoking the amp.
What you must never do however is run any kind of instrument, whether it be direct or mic'd, through your home stereo. The electronics and the speakers are not designed for the kind of dynamics a live instrument can create and you will surely damage it. And that would be a bummer because I don't fix that stuff anymore and you can't call me. :D
:cheers:
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this is absolute nonsense.
Running a bass through a guitar amp is probably the dumbest thing you can do to the amp besides directly destroying it with an axe or explosives. The speaker will blow out if you go above 40% volume for more than 5 minutes.
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What you must never do however is run any kind of instrument, whether it be direct or mic'd, through your home stereo. The electronics and the speakers are not designed for the kind of dynamics a live instrument can create and you will surely damage it. And that would be a bummer because I don't fix that stuff anymore and you can't call me. :D
:cheers:
I used to play my first electric guitar through my home stereo which was very scary! The only sound I could get "safely" was a high-treble clean one at a silent speaking volume. Later I bought myself a 10 watt solid state amp. At that time I worked for a bank. They gave a yearly cocktail party for the local companies for which they needed some kind of a PA system. My solution was to hang the amp on the ceiling and drop the mic down by its wire. This makeshift system outsmarted the local radio shop who had provided a expensive home stereo for the same purpose the previous year!
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Running a bass through a guitar amp is probably the dumbest thing you can do to the amp besides directly destroying it with an axe or explosives. The speaker will blow out if you go above 40% volume for more than 5 minutes.
again. nonsense.
unless you don't have speakers that can handle the wattage of the amp, in which case, ANYTHING will blow the speaker out.
my old guitar/bass rig included a 150w rackmount power amp into a 4x12 guitar cabinet.
I played bass thru it as well. at full power sometimes, for hours. it survives to this day.
I've been playing bass almost as long as guitar (~25 years) and have never even OWNED a "bass amp". I've ALWAYS played thru my guitar rig. even today, I play bass thru my guitar modeling/fx processor direct into my mixer.
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A 4x12 is a closed cabinet, which has already been told to be more tolerant to bass and other low frequency instruments. The construction simply doesn't let the speaker cone blow out, the cabinet sucks it back in by negative pressure. The speaker elements have also been chosen to stand torture and may even be similar to those of bass cabinets. If you don't believe me, simply remove the back panel of your 4x12 and play loud to see what happens. You have been warned.
A signal processor doesn't actually care which instrument you plug in as long as the impedance is within limits. On the output side it sends a line level signal which is the easiest for a PA system to handle. Same goes for a guitar amp head, it just feeds the loudspeaker(s).
I don't know whether Celestion make any good speakers, but here's their video about playing bass through a guitar speaker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiDoCGrCRUw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiDoCGrCRUw)
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Yeah Biz. Celestions are pretty much considered the most desirable line of (guitar) speakers in the world. Not sure if it's truly earned but those things can be pretty subjective. I imagine in some parts of the world they can serve as currency. Everybody knows Celestions.
As far as a particular instrument vs. speaker issue, look up frequency response. The envelope's the key.
But seriously, check out Vanderbilly.com (http://Vanderbilly.com). Great site for the beginner.
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well ill be damned.
alright, I guess don't play bass thru your guitar combo amp at full tilt..
hell I don't even play thru amps anymore I play direct to board and it comes out of my monitors.
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My suggestion on learning guitar or any instrument for that matter; find the simplest song you can. learn it front to back. Learn to play it with your eyes closed. One that I usually teach new players. Smoke on the water. Easy to play. simple timing. Lead isn't particularly tough.
Don't shy away from sheet music. But don't ignore your ears either. When your working on a song research everything about it. Take it apart. Try it different ways. Spend some time learning scales and theory.
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The biggest thing I can say about learning guitar - dont ever give up. Something you cant play one day, will come another. Also, if you have the funds, get together with an tutor - this makes it much much easier. Trying to learn something like guitar, with no physical support, is a pain in the neck. It can be done, but your progress will be much better with an instructor.
I love playing guitar, I played in a local band, had to quit due to lack of time - now I sometimes get to play with them on particular songs, which is always fun.
Keep at it brother, it'll come.
Wurz
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Wurz has a point there but an even better motivator is a band. Especially if the others already know what and how to play. You'd just have to learn! Yet I repeat that knowing some theory and automating some basic motor skills on the fretboard are of great help.
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If you don't start by drilling your fingers with exercises you will limit your progress.
Get a tuner and always tune first. Drill for two weeks at least before you start trying chords.
Play every note, use all 4 fingers to cover 4 frets then go up a string, after the high E string go up
4 frets and repeat for the whole neck, up and down. Do this as often as you can. As you learn some
theory you can add major and pentatonic scales and chords.
This^^^^^ Is Prime. Starting this NOW. Thank you!!!
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Despite my suggestinon suffering from slight USB lag issues I'd like to recommend a "game" which you can play with a real guitar.
It's called Rocksmith and it lets you learn many different kinds of songs from the very basics to more advanced level.
By advanced I mean something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hiw6YB3ZHE0
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