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Title: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Hetzer7 on July 15, 2014, 12:53:53 PM
Would be nice to have one. It would be better than cutting off a little corner of a post-it note and sticking it to the screen which is what I do now. Thought about printing a reticle on clear acetate and taping to the monitor lol.

(http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/88mm/reticle-pattern-zielfernrohr-sight.jpg)



<S> Hetzer
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: lyric1 on July 15, 2014, 01:07:28 PM
Be nice if they updated a number of things on the 88's.

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/index.html
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: USCH on July 15, 2014, 04:53:57 PM
That sight still doesn't help me shoot anything down lol
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Volron on July 15, 2014, 04:57:44 PM
That sight isn't meant to help you shoot down AC. :lol  It's the AT sight.  I am curious if the 88 was so inaccurate in the AT role in real life as it is in AH. :headscratch:  In AH, the 88 has a MASSIVE amount of scatter, even at short ranges.  I've read a few mentions about how deadly it was, especially at long ranges.  Ours on the other hand, feh. :headscratch:
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Tinkles on July 15, 2014, 05:13:25 PM
That sight isn't meant to help you shoot down AC. :lol  It's the AT sight.  I am curious if the 88 was so inaccurate in the AT role in real life as it is in AH. :headscratch:  In AH, the 88 has a MASSIVE amount of scatter, even at short ranges.  I've read a few mentions about how deadly it was, especially at long ranges.  Ours on the other hand, feh. :headscratch:

Yeah, was trying to shoot an m4 at about 1.5k.   The only thing I know is the round is going SOMEWHERE in that circle, instead of the accurate sites of any of the other tanks we have.
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: R 105 on July 16, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
 The German 88mm anti aircraft gun came with a ground sight to engage ground targets. It was part of the TOE (Table of Organization and Equipment) of the guns. Also that 88 turned much faster than our 88 in the game. How about a wheeled gun carriage so we can tow that 88 out to the field behind a prime mover. Maybe that will spice up the ground game since our 88mm is almost worthless against aircraft in the game.  :D
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: lyric1 on July 16, 2014, 12:54:42 PM
Most German AAA guns were all hand cranked & had two speeds high & low. HTC programmed the Wirbel & Ostwind at the higher speed.

You can see in this video just how much faster the rotation speed is at the higher gear compared to AHII low gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8

Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Cthulhu on July 17, 2014, 09:18:49 AM
Most German AAA guns were all hand cranked & had two speeds high & low. HTC programmed the Wirbel & Ostwind at the higher speed.

You can see in this video just how much faster the rotation speed is at the higher gear compared to AHII low gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8


No kidding. The gun traverses at a much faster rate than what we have in game. The anemic blank rds they're firing are a disappointment though. The recoil should be fierce just sitting on tires like that.
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: lyric1 on July 17, 2014, 12:27:20 PM
No kidding. The gun traverses at a much faster rate than what we have in game. The anemic blank rds they're firing are a disappointment though. The recoil should be fierce just sitting on tires like that.

From the above link I posted.

Time to traverse 360 degrees:

     High gear  33.90 sec
     Low gear   69.79 sec

Time to elevate from minus 3 to plus 85 degrees:
     High gear  15.02 sec
     Low gear   25.90 sec




http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/88mm-antiaircraft-gun-introduction.html
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: tuton25 on July 17, 2014, 12:37:07 PM
Most German AAA guns were all hand cranked & had two speeds high & low. HTC programmed the Wirbel & Ostwind at the higher speed.

You can see in this video just how much faster the rotation speed is at the higher gear compared to AHII low gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8



Maybe slap the 88 on the back of the SdKfz 251....
Might see a few more of them in the MA....
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: bustr on July 17, 2014, 05:55:37 PM
Hitech could give us a direct fire equivalent from the panzer optics. The direct fire optics for the 88 moves a pointer on the direct fire quadrant scale in response to the elevation dial and range dials. To which then the barrel is manually elevated to match with it's elevation marker on the quadrant scale.

The person eyeballing through the sight depending on the type of sight either has a built in range dial or has to judge range to the target by using the Mil references built into the reticle. Hitech can either give us range marks like the panzer optics or elevation degree marks to which we are responsible to know the range from a lookup table or practice against the offline target.

Our current direct fire optic is not the least bit historically accurate.

Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: shotgunneeley on July 17, 2014, 07:09:49 PM
In addition, please fix having our faces rammed into the ground when we fire vertically. That is usually my best chance to get a kill since the aircraft distance is relatively constant when directly over head, but I always loose sight of the target and shell bursts.
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: lyric1 on July 17, 2014, 10:46:47 PM
Hitech could give us a direct fire equivalent from the panzer optics. The direct fire optics for the 88 moves a pointer on the direct fire quadrant scale in response to the elevation dial and range dials. To which then the barrel is manually elevated to match with it's elevation marker on the quadrant scale.

The person eyeballing through the sight depending on the type of sight either has a built in range dial or has to judge range to the target by using the Mil references built into the reticle. Hitech can either give us range marks like the panzer optics or elevation degree marks to which we are responsible to know the range from a lookup table or practice against the offline target.

Our current direct fire optic is not the least bit historically accurate.



4X Magnification as well.  :aok

http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/sighting-equipment-german-artillery-88mm.html
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Scca on July 18, 2014, 07:14:03 AM
Most German AAA guns were all hand cranked & had two speeds high & low. HTC programmed the Wirbel & Ostwind at the higher speed.

You can see in this video just how much faster the rotation speed is at the higher gear compared to AHII low gear.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0aHnFo5CI8


Wouldn't it be nice if it worked in game like it actually worked back in the day...  :rock
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Hetzer7 on July 18, 2014, 03:18:43 PM
The 88 should have a command and gunsight mode like in gvs, a high slew rate in command mode and slow (fine) in gunsight mode. The entire sight had a deflection adjustment of +\- 250 mils which is probably how they adjust for range, unlike the adjustable sights found in german gvs.

Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: bustr on July 18, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
When you think about it. What would be even better is the ability to place 88 where they have a tactical relevance to actually defending bases from GV attacks. The 88's and 17lb more often are tank fodder unless by accident the field they sit on is oriented so they have a meaningful tactical line of fire. Our GV fields are setup more to encourage playing a mini Quake Tourney on the property rather than enabling the owners to defend themselves with all of the tools provided.

I doubt Hitech really intended the 88 on airfields to be a tank deterrent as much as a bomber\fighter deterrent. Also for shooting at bombers we could use some form of the Stereoscopic Director 36 in the gunner's view. Hitech says he gave the GV's commander mode to make up for the lack of crew. So give the 88 and 17lb a commander mode to make up for the lack of crew. It took a crew to coordinate the aiming of the 88 in direct fire and AA fire modes.

Even the 5inch has HUD range info which I use to kill water level fighters and bombers at 6000yds. I use SEA Mode to kill PT. SEA Mode in the 8 inch cruiser\shore bat is almost cheating it's so accurate. I can sink CV from the shore battery 29-31k yards using SEA mode if the mist isn't too thick when I turn off the horizon.

I understand the 37mm being a Kentucky Windage gun with it's iron sight. It is goofy that the 88 for all of the complex aiming technology issued as standard equipment, has optics in the stone age compared to the 17lb in our game.

Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: 49MERLIN on July 21, 2014, 03:59:24 AM
+1 Brilliant!!!! God Please!!! I literally have a clear plastic ruler statically bonded to the lower right hand corner of my screen in order to get a better cluster; knowing that a sure shot is dam near impossible without a reference point.

The fact that we can't tow these BOGGLES THE MIND!!!   Let's get 'em out there in the farms and hill tops in batteries where they belong! My God; can you even imagine what one well perched gunner could do, much less 3 to 5 working together!  Tow 'em out there! Give 'em a 15 to 30 second setup and take-down time! Tow 'em with any vehicle that does not have a "Commanders" position and let it be gun position 7 so you're still linked to the vehicle!  Hell, make it harder, make it so you have to have a friend tow you somewhere out of his way, or a friend with supplies or AA capabilities!  Dear God just DO IT!

While you're at it lets get some towable long & short barreled howitzers.  Let them use land mode targeting like ship guns use.

I'll settle for an M7 Priest.
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Scherf on July 21, 2014, 09:09:30 AM
I can sink CV from the shore battery 29-31k yards using SEA mode if the mist isn't too thick when I turn off the horizon.

You can use sea mode from the shore batt?

 :bhead
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Volron on July 21, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
You can use sea mode from the shore batt?

 :bhead

Yep.
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Reaper90 on July 21, 2014, 04:01:01 PM
For the love of god, PLEASE, +100, fix this gunsight.
Title: Re: 88mm Gun Sight
Post by: Scherf on July 21, 2014, 10:16:57 PM
Yep.

 :furious :bhead