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Title: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: pembquist on July 29, 2014, 11:01:10 AM
Any recomendations for plane choice if your mission is to fight a Dora that is flown to its strengths, (another Dora?) in the 12 to 20K altitude band?
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: BnZs on July 29, 2014, 10:16:11 PM
Any recomendations for plane choice if your mission is to fight a Dora that is flown to its strengths, (another Dora?) in the 12 to 20K altitude band?
If you're flying almost anything else you should turn better, and may or may not have a thrust/weight advantage at that altitude. They simply have a very high wing loading compared to almost every other plane in the game and will tend not fair well if you can get them to slow down, or force them to do so. Easier said than done, I know. I'm assuming this question relates to FSO, what will you be flying against them?
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: BnZs on July 29, 2014, 10:24:06 PM
D9 elite status falls off somewhat above 20K. The combination of thrust falling off and a high wingloading can be real difficult in the thin air. So alt might be a good idea, depending on what you're flying.

(http://www.hitechcreations.com/components/com_ahplaneperf/genchart.php?p1=2&p2=44&pw=2&gtype=2&gui=localhost&itemsel=GameData)
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: mthrockmor on July 29, 2014, 10:45:27 PM
A PonyD should be all you need, some would say a P47M.

With the PonyD you should be able to max speed, certainly in the dive, though you won't roll as well. With a flap or two you'll easily outturn the Dora at any speed.
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: Stampf on July 30, 2014, 11:25:13 AM

Go to the source.

Hook up with Pervert or Canukk and get some 1/1 time with one or both of them.

You can do some surprising and excellent maneuvering through the aggressive use of trim in the Dora.



Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: Skyyr on July 30, 2014, 11:57:11 AM
To effectively counter a D9, aside from flying another D9 or meeting it with equal performance, you need something that excels in climbing and turning (compared to the D9 at that altitude). The D9 will outpace most any other aircraft at that altitude range, but it turns poorly. Since the D9 is forced to use the vertical, it's weakest point is when it's climbing and decelerating; the vertical transitioning period is where the D9 is weakest.

An aircraft like the Spit 8, Spit 9, Spit 16, Yak-3 (up to 16-18k), and Ki-84 (although its performance starts to degrade the higher it goes) will allow you this type of fight. All of them will perform close enough in climb performance to stay at the same altitude as the D9, and accelerate quickly, but will also allow you better low-speed handing.

Conversely, you can fly a Spit-14 or a 109K-4. Both are superior to the D9 at those altitudes (and the 109K-4 is actually faster as well), but they require an experienced use of the vertical, as they're less forgiving in angles fights and will tend to overshoot the D9 very easily due to their E-retention characteristics.

In this altitude range, the TA-152 is also a good choice, but it takes a more experienced pilot to use it effectively.

Planes such as the F4U series (except for the perked F4U-4, which outperforms the D9 above 9K) and the 51D are not good choices, at least in this altitude range, as an experienced D9 pilot will extend away, reverse using the vertical, and use acceleration to gain a vertical positional advantage over you. That's not to say that a good 51 or F4U pilot can't win a fight against a D9 at those altitudes, it's simply that with everything being equal, both planes are outclassed by the D9.
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: bozon on July 30, 2014, 02:10:32 PM
Is this a duel, or special events, or main arena situation?
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: Babalonian on August 01, 2014, 12:38:58 PM
Go to the source.

Hook up with Pervert or Canukk and get some 1/1 time with one or both of them.

You can do some surprising and excellent maneuvering through the aggressive use of trim in the Dora.






Combat trim elevator settings is garbage  :aok
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: Muzzy on August 02, 2014, 07:59:31 AM
Your options really depend on the kind of plane you're flying and the circumstances (alt, etc.) of the engagement.
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: Rob52240 on November 10, 2014, 08:54:20 AM
Learn the K4.  It can easily keep pace with the D9 and out maneuver it.  It will not  catch the D9 in a steep dive.
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: Debrody on November 10, 2014, 11:08:18 AM
If an opponent doesnt want to fight you - leave him alone and dont fight him.

Thats simple. Otherwise just take a K4.
Title: Re: fighting against the 190D flown to its strengths
Post by: jolly22 on November 10, 2014, 12:29:09 PM
K4 is the answer for most questions in this game  :D