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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Muzzy on July 29, 2014, 09:59:19 PM
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Been having trouble getting Trackir to work well for me. My biggest problem is that for the most part, my rear view is worse than what it is with the thumb stick. Is there any way to improve this? With preset views, I can optimize so I can see clearly behind me, but with Trak, more often than not all I see is the headrest. This is even true in bubble tops like the Mustang and P47. How do you guys deal with it?
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Move your head away from the headrest, then move it to one side, then turn it to look back. Scale the axis as needed to limit the required head movement.
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Do you do this with the forward/back axis enabled or off?
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Do you do this with the forward/back axis enabled or off?
In order to move your head forward or back you'll need the forward/back axis on.
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Bustr sets his up this way to get a good "6" view.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,311822.msg4047939.html#msg4047939
and this is a write up I did on how to set up TrakIR
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,329017.0.html
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Muzzy something you are doing wrong. Trackir can give you the same view to the rear as a hat toggle.
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The axis you want to deal with for a better 6 view is the "X" axis and the "YAW" axis.
first set a 180 degree "Limit" on your yaw axis. then adjust your scaling to fit your comfort. The limit setting will give a perfect 6 view no matter how far you turn your head.
Next set the scaling for the "X" axis (side to side head movement). mine is set that if I move my head 6 inches to left or right I get full pilot movement.
this will allow you to turn your head a few degrees to get a dead 6 view, then move your head sideways a few inches in the same direction to look around the headrest.
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Not sure how to attach a file on the BBS but I will gladly send you my profile. If using TrackIR 5, be sure the camera views the reflectors as a triangle (you can see this in the "camera view" in the TrackIR application. I found for my gear and monitor setup that I must tilt my headset lower on my forehead or the camera will lose view of the reflectors.
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You can also reduce it to 2-axis mode which will then inherit your saved head positions from the HPS file.
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You can also reduce it to 2-axis mode which will then inherit your saved head positions from the HPS file.
I confess I thought I might be dumbing down the TrackIR. I tried it, Bustr, using my current AH profile as a starting point, and making the changes you recommended in the other thread. It works quite well and is a tribute to KISS.
Thanks for sharing the 2-axis approach. I would have never occurred to me.
:salute
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You really just have to train your head/body what to do to get a good six view on some planes. I had this issue at first with the 38, but now it's second nature and I get the same view I did with the view hat.
Keep at it and eventually you won't want to fly without it.
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Interesting stuff. I keep promising myself that one day I shall try TrakIR. And rudder pedals. And a throttle quadrant. And a stick that costs more than $20...*sigh*
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Interesting stuff. I keep promising myself that one day I shall try TrakIR. And rudder pedals. And a throttle quadrant. And a stick that costs more than $20...*sigh*
If you do you'll ranking higher than you do now! :devil
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I always strongly suggest a lot of experiments in setting. Just keep saving profiles under different revision numbers so you can back if needed.
On rear views I have the X axis flat in the middle for shooting then it goes near vertical so when I look back and lean around the head support it snaps to full out position.
I also use the "Speed" setting to slow down the extreme steep curves I use. I have my speed set at .4 but as noted my curves are very, very steep.
I don't use "Roll" or the "Z".
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/ChpGLCorps/Screenshot142_zpsd73ddefc.png)
Just to give you an idea of what I'm dealing with. The above is an approximation of my standard rear view using the hat switch. It's set by moving the view back away from the seat, and then raising the view as high in the cockpit as I can go.
With Trakir, all I can do is get a peek around the back frame, and that is far less optimal than the view I am used to. Worse than that, the views from the rear angle are unstable and I often find myself looking at the weirdest angles while someone shoots me down. I really like Trakir for just about everything, but I can't deal with not having that view of my six.
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This is my rear view with TrackIR.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/82af/qfa69bdd78ce3mw4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/qfa69bdd78ce3mw/TIRrearview.png)
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If you do you'll ranking higher than you do now! :devil
My fighter rank, just looked it up, is 1517. Of course I only have 10 kills in fighter, it being my good luck/superstitious habit to fly every sortie scored as "attack" in any plane that will let you score it that way. Fighter rank is not particularly important to me, solving the ACM problems I encounter as effectively as possible is. This is an important distinction. There are also important distinctions to be made between the sort of player who shuns risky engagements because it might impact their score and thus rank high, and players on the other end who think the statement "I don't care about score" refutes clear statistical demonstration that they aren't flying fighter particularly effectively. There is a happy medium in between these two extremes.
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Rear view is correlative to your heads position. So your 6 view is relative to where your head seems to be in the cockpit.
So when you sit in your cockpit, standard forward view, pause TrackIr. Use the Arrow keys to move forward/backwards till you feel comfy regarding gunsight, cockpit and so on.
Hit F10 when sure this is it. Try to remain your head dead still. Reenable TrackIr and RESET your position. Now your head in game is matched to the saved setting. I believe your 6 view will improve dramatically.
Send me an email ( in my profile ) and I send you my TrackIr profile. I don't say it's perfect but it's a good base to start from. I can see my whole tail if I need, even my right elevator looking over my left shoulder :devil
Remember, TrackIr is a very personal device! It takes time to work well for anyone. :old:
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(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j89/ChpGLCorps/Screenshot142_zpsd73ddefc.png)
Just to give you an idea of what I'm dealing with. The above is an approximation of my standard rear view using the hat switch. It's set by moving the view back away from the seat, and then raising the view as high in the cockpit as I can go.
With Trakir, all I can do is get a peek around the back frame, and that is far less optimal than the view I am used to. Worse than that, the views from the rear angle are unstable and I often find myself looking at the weirdest angles while someone shoots me down. I really like Trakir for just about everything, but I can't deal with not having that view of my six.
My solution is to set the X axis very aggressively. I move my head less than 2 inches to get full movement to the outside of the cockpit. Then I've just gotten into the habit of when I want to look out the rear of a navy plane, I look 90 degrees to the left, then shift my head sideways to the right to get my head position to the front of the cockpit, then turn my head a bit further to the left to look out the rear. Or vice versa if I want to check the other side.
It sounds worse than it is, it's second nature for me now and didn't take that long to get used to. Also my head is set up as high as I can get it and still see the gunsight in the navy stuff.
Wiley.
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I'm no TrackIR expert and I had the same complaint up until last month when one of the guys in VF-17 told me to try unchecking the X,Y and Z coordinates in TrackIR. Bingo...immediately I had the same rear views I have with my hatswitch and now I love TrackIR. I did some other little tweaky things, but basically I use the default TrackIR settings other than the tip above.
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The problem is TrackIr is so powerful, new people get fixated on one way of doing it but as you see, each one of us with a successful Trackir program experimented till we found our own answer. Make sure you try all the Trackir display options. The moving 3D head is super cool.
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The problem is TrackIr is so powerful, new people get fixated on one way of doing it but as you see, each one of us with a successful Trackir program experimented till we found our own answer. Make sure you try all the Trackir display options. The moving 3D head is super cool.
It really is the most personal thing I've found in this game, way moreso than how you've got your buttons on your stick configured. It really needs fiddling with until you get it exactly how you want it. Everybody's situation is different too. Some people have relatively shallow curves. My upper body is immobilized in my chair, so I need them all set aggressively because my head only really moves a couple inches at most.
I really wish HTC would allow 6DOF to work with the saved head positions as their home point if you hit the hat, because in the F6F, F4F, and FM2 I really can get a superior six view with the hat, but I can get pretty close to the same view with what I described above, just not quite as stable.
Wiley.
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My fighter rank, just looked it up, is 1517. Of course I only have 10 kills in fighter, it being my good luck/superstitious habit to fly every sortie scored as "attack" in any plane that will let you score it that way. Fighter rank is not particularly important to me, solving the ACM problems I encounter as effectively as possible is. This is an important distinction. There are also important distinctions to be made between the sort of player who shuns risky engagements because it might impact their score and thus rank high, and players on the other end who think the statement "I don't care about score" refutes clear statistical demonstration that they aren't flying fighter particularly effectively. There is a happy medium in between these two extremes.
Wow that's a pretty big paragraph to comment on my little joke.
As an bonafide "fighter" guy who abhors any kind of "mudmoving" why would you score ANYTHING under anything BUT fighter? :rolleyes:
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This is my rear view with TrackIR.
(https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/82af/qfa69bdd78ce3mw4g.jpg) (http://www.mediafire.com/view/qfa69bdd78ce3mw/TIRrearview.png)
Could you post your settings? that would be very helpful.
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did some more fiddling and I think I've resolved the issue! Thank you all for your suggestions!
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As an bonafide "fighter" guy who abhors any kind of "mudmoving" why would you score ANYTHING under anything BUT fighter? :rolleyes:
Because luck! No matter how many good sorties I have logged under "attack", if I click over to "fighter" the AH gods will immediately send me a series of rotten sorties. I discovered this law of the universe long ago as a new player. Do I actually believe in this as literal truth? No, but I don't NOT believe in it either.... :noid and such psychological factors do have an effect on human performance.
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Because luck! No matter how many good sorties I have logged under "attack", if I click over to "fighter" the AH gods will immediately send me a series of rotten sorties. I discovered this law of the universe long ago as a new player. Do I actually believe in this as literal truth? No, but I don't NOT believe in it either.... :noid and such psychological factors do have an effect on human performance.
....only for the weak minded. :D
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Because luck! No matter how many good sorties I have logged under "attack", if I click over to "fighter" the AH gods will immediately send me a series of rotten sorties. I discovered this law of the universe long ago as a new player. Do I actually believe in this as literal truth? No, but I don't NOT believe in it either.... :noid and such psychological factors do have an effect on human performance.
Golfers feel the same way
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....only for the weak minded. :D
True enough, a guy who loses his lucky socks or the like may go into a slump...for awhile. But usually the consciously-known absurdity of such a belief will eventually sink into the unconscious mind and then disappear entirely.
Other psychological conditions present greater impediments to progress and performance. For instance, the guy who is continually blaming others for outcomes on the field he doesn't like is essentially saying he doesn't believe he has any power to effect things himself, he is mentally handing all the power to others. Continuous, not-very-logical complaints about how others are "preventing" this individual's success, perhaps "ruining the game for them", combined with a low-mediocre "batting average" as it were, these are almost certain signs that the condition is present. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to cure, these sorts act almost as if the "bad people" supposedly afflicting everything have god-like powers they can do nothing to counter, and they can hardly be talked out of this twisted but very fervent "faith". This signifies a psyche that, at its core, feels very powerless in the world indeed. :devil
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True enough, a guy who loses his lucky socks or the like may go into a slump...for awhile. But usually the consciously-known absurdity of such a belief will eventually sink into the unconscious mind and then disappear entirely.
Other psychological conditions present greater impediments to progress and performance. For instance, the guy who is continually blaming others for outcomes on the field he doesn't like is essentially saying he doesn't believe he has any power to effect things himself, he is mentally handing all the power to others. Continuous, not-very-logical complaints about how others are "preventing" this individual's success, perhaps "ruining the game for them", combined with a low-mediocre "batting average" as it were, these are almost certain signs that the condition is present. Unfortunately, it is very difficult to cure, these sorts act almost as if the "bad people" supposedly afflicting everything have god-like powers they can do nothing to counter, and they can hardly be talked out of this twisted but very fervent "faith". This signifies a psyche that, at its core, feels very powerless in the world indeed. :devil
ya, all I got out of that was blah, blah, blah.
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ya, all I got out of that was blah, blah, blah.
Yes, functional illiteracy and/or utter lack of reading comprehension is all too common.
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Yes, functional illiteracy and/or utter lack of reading comprehension is all too common.
LOL!!! some more of your BS.
If your previous post was about me your so far off the mark that it isn't even funny. Again spreading BS.... of which we all know you don't do :rolleyes:
As I have said many times in the 11 plus years I have been PAYING to play this game, if I wasn't enjoying myself I would have stopped paying a long time ago. Your reading comprehension is the one I would call into question. Your constant ignoring of facts posted by any number of more knowledgeable people than you shows your lack of ability in acknowledging that you could possibly be wrong is just sad.
Continue as you will. Time will continue to prove me right. Good luck.