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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bigsky on July 30, 2014, 11:25:52 AM
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what is your opinion on this?
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First I would have to know who these people are, then I could have an opinion... :old:
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Jesse Ventura washed up wrestler/ dirt bag politician nothing else needs to be said.
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First I would have to know who these people are, then I could have an opinion... :old:
Chris Kyle was a SEAL sniper that fought in Afghanistan. He claimed in his book that he wrote before he was murdered, that he was at a local SEAL hang out in Coronado when he over heard Jesse Ventura talk bad about the SEALs and supposedly said they deserved to lose team members in combat. In the book, Chris Kyle confronted Jesse Ventura and punched him in the face. Jesse Ventura sued for defamation of character, slander/libel and won in court.
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Chris Kyle was a SEAL sniper that fought in Afghanistan. He claimed in his book that he wrote before he was murdered, that he was at a local SEAL hang out in Coronado when he over heard Jesse Ventura talk bad about the SEALs and supposedly said they deserved to lose team members in combat. In the book, Chris Kyle confronted Jesse Ventura and punched him in the face. Jesse Ventura sued for defamation of character, slander/libel and won in court.
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Thank you.
In face of this highly informative abstract I have taken my time to form a personal opinion on this matter. After much pondering I can now proclaim:
I don't care. :old:
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Chris Kyle was a SEAL sniper that fought in Iraq.
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correct except that part.
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You forgot to mention he was one of two governors in the movie Predator.
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Seeing this story pop up everywhere now. I'm surprised at the verdict, as Ventura has less credibility than many years ago since hosting a wing nut conspiracy theory show. Hearing some of his rants and raves on there would most think he's capable of saying anything.
His contention is that his money prospects dried up after the American Sniper book story about him, which he says made him look treasonous, and "backed him into a corner" to have to sue. He has said repeatedly since yesterday that he is now ostracized from his Seal family, as most young guys hate him now, despite the witnesses for Chris Kyle contradicting themselves, which helped his claim that the event of him saying crap and getting hit never happened.
Who knows, true or not, I think Ventura is the negative in the whole deal, as HE is the one that continued to sue Kyle's widow after his death. That shows to me he puts money ahead of Team, way ahead, and THAT is why this is going to turn out badly for him IMO. He claims he needed to defend his rep, but that's BS imo, as all he has done is drawn attention to the whole matter, not actually change anyone's mind about the truth of the matter. He has been squawking about a Presidential run for 2016, he's on drugs if he thinks anyone is going to finance that now, as he put himself in the position to be the most hated person on the internet this year.
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The books publisher bought an insurance policy for slander which is going to make the payment. If they thought they needed that in anyway then theres something there to raise doubt and concern. I've been reading some things on this rather then relying on meme's and facebook posts from idiots. I'm leaning more towards it didn't happen the way the book claims. If so, then he has the right to sue and is due what the jury hearing the case awarded him.
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I agree with previous poster to a certain extant. I've been following it since it began when the book came out.
Ventura had to pass a pretty high threshold in order to win many articles are saying, and like I said before, many witnesses stories didn't line up accurately. Ventura had an airline ticket and rental car receipt showing he couldn't have even been there when 1/2 the witnesses said he was. He also had no marks on him afterwards during interviews showing that he had been hit. Again - who knows the truth of it, that's my point, is regardless of what happened, for all of Ventura's going on about his "family of UDT/Seals", he chose to sue "family" for money - money - instead of settling it outside of that, and that's the primary reason he is being ostracized by most of his community.
I also subscribe to the theory that due to his shows, and on air personality in interviews, many would line up against him regardless if he is in the right or not, something he should have considered before filing a lawsuit.
Good example of what's happening - I read all over my social media - which includes many x Navy guys, including some x Teams guys I've worked with both at Sig Sauer Academy and in a private military company - that Ventura in his CBS interview mistakenly said "I can't go to Seal events now as I may get hit AGAIN", many jumping on the fact that he used the word "again" a possible Freudian slip of admission that the whole thing did happen. I went hunting for that CBS interview, found it, and that isn't what he said at all, yet guys you would expect to be interested in the truth and facts are misrepresenting what Ventura said in that interview. The whole situation sucks, but if it in fact is as Ventura said, I feel badly for him as well, but still think he may have made a mistake filing suit. If indeed the money doesn't come from Kyle's estate at all, harming his wife and 2 kids, and from insurance and the publisher - I don't know, maybe Ventura has a case for what he's done. It won't help him in his dream of a Presidential run, although some say there is no such thing as bad press, and he's all over the news right now.
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For me, the truth about the story in the book does not matter one bit. The only thing that matters to me is that Ventura is a man who is willing to take money from the widow of a man who fought for our country. That is all.
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I thought he was taking it from the insurance company?
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For me, the truth about the story in the book does not matter one bit. The only thing that matters to me is that Ventura is a man who is willing to take money from the widow of a man who fought for our country. That is all.
Kyle shouldn't have slandered Ventura in his book and interviews.
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Kyle shouldn't have slandered Ventura in his book and interviews.
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I agree, slander is wrong. But I agree with Branch, Ventura doesn't need to sue his widow.....Isn't his murder enough bad karma?
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I agree, slander is wrong. But I agree with Branch, Ventura doesn't need to sue his widow.....Isn't his murder enough bad karma?
He didn't sue the widow. He sued Kyle. Kyle died so his estate had to step up. Kyle should not have tried to profit by falsely defaming Ventura's character. Kyle was well known for fabricating wild stories to make himself look good.
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He didn't sue the widow. He sued Kyle. Kyle died so his estate had to step up. Kyle should not have tried to profit by falsely defaming Ventura's character. Kyle was well known for fabricating wild stories to make himself look good.
If Ventura is such a Saint compared to Chris Kyle he should have just dropped it after the murder....Is he within his rights by law? yes....does he come off as an A Hole...very much so.
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What's he supposed to do? Letting it drop would be tantamount to saying "Yeah, I kinda did say SEALs deserved to die."
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"I also subscribe to the theory that due to his shows, and on air personality in interviews, many would line up against him regardless if he is in the right or not, something he should have considered before filing a lawsuit."
Let popular opinion decide if he should pursue truth and defend his integrity or just let it pass 'cause everyone thinks he's a poopy head anyway....sounds like something a weakling would do.
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He didn't sue the widow. He sued Kyle. Kyle died so his estate had to step up. Kyle should not have tried to profit by falsely defaming Ventura's character. Kyle was well known for fabricating wild stories to make himself look good.
It seems that ventura ammended his suit after Kyle's death to name the widow specifically, so in fact he did sue her.
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It seems that ventura ammended his suit after Kyle's death to name the widow specifically, so in fact he did sue her.
She was the executrix of his estate. You sue the office, not the office holder. I take it you think Kyle didn't flat out tell lies to boost his book sales. Fortunately, a jury saw things different.
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What's he supposed to do? Letting it drop would be tantamount to saying "Yeah, I kinda did say SEALs deserved to die."
Make a public statement.....he's going to have worse publicity now then he would of if he would have just dropped it.
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Has he ever seriously worried about publicity? Besides, he wasn't slandered until the law says he was slandered. I could believe he also suffered genuine harm as a result, and I imagine at least some of the $$$ Kyle made from the book was as a result of the lies he told.
De mortuis nil nisi bonum, but elite soldier or not, this Kyle character sounds like he might have been as big a blowhard as Ventura.
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Is it possible that this was a cooperative situation between kyle and ventura to build publicity for a product? You know like a Rosie Odonnell vs Trump situation? Ventura was a pro wrestler after all.
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Make a public statement.....he's going to have worse publicity now then he would of if he would have just dropped it.
He made a public statement... in court and the jury agreed. I don't see having your name cleared as bad publicity. It's not Ventura's fault that Kyle died and his widow has control of the estate.
If a thief robs a bank, then gets killed does his wife get to keep the stolen money? She didn't rob the bank, she's just the one in control of the stolen money.
If Kyle had simply told the truth none of this would have happened.
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He made a public statement... in court and the jury agreed. I don't see having your name cleared as bad publicity.
From the amount of memes I'm seeing about ventura since this happened, I'd say it's pretty obvious the amount of negative publicity he's getting....but that may just be from my state.
Should we trample on a documented war hero's grave? (Understand that sworn statements are used in almost every engagement with the enemy in the War on terror)
He fabricated something which probably sold him some books, most of the people who bought that book were military and they were more interested in The Devil of Ramadi, not Jesse Ventura. I highly doubt it was worth 1.8 million.
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There are plenty of people out there that would back Kyle just because he was military. That doesn't make him right, or Ventura a bad person for defending himself, it just proves those who blindly back kyle are very gullible.
It's funny, people blindly back him because he was a Seal, yet don't equate his false statements with those who "steal honor".
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Locked for violation of rules $4, #13, and #14.