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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gman on July 30, 2014, 03:28:55 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytXI5Clz100
Amazing footage, such a small road in the mountains, perfect camera position for the 2nd pass, it sounded more like an aircraft than a car.
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Awesome! :aok
Did you see that Top Gear episode where James May got to max out a Veyron in Germany? If not it is worth a look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC00qHonfj8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytXI5Clz100
Amazing footage, such a small road in the mountains, perfect camera position for the 2nd pass, it sounded more like an aircraft than a car.
2nd fastest street car, that V is.
Henessey took the top spot this year. American made. Beat Germany...again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_7tK5zBTA
The Hennessey Venom GT is an American sports car manufactured by Texas-based Hennessey Performance Engineering.[2] It was revealed on March 29, 2010.
On February 14, 2014, on the Kennedy Space Center’s 3.22-mile shuttle landing strip in Florida, the Hennessey team recorded a top speed of 270.49 mph (435.31 km/h) with Director of Miller Motorsport Park, Brian Smith, at the wheel.[6] As the run was in a single direction and only 11 cars have been produced to date (to qualify it must be 30), it does not qualify as the world's fastest production car in the Guinness Book of Records.[7][8]
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Nationalism is wonderful!
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270 mph in the venom is amazing to just think about, when I used to race bikes a few years back ( GSXXR100) my fastest speed travelled was 190 mph, I couldn't imagine going almost 100mph more, the road must just be a blue :O
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2nd fastest street car, that V is.
Henessey took the top spot this year. American made. Beat Germany...again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-_7tK5zBTA
The story makes it sound a bit sketchy. One direction and .63 mph faster? The veyron had to use an average of two directions correct?
Fast is fast either way.
But they are aiming for a proper goal at least-fastest around the Top Gear track. :aok
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This is the best Bugatti video ever:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NJmB1F2mdE
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My first car had a top speed of about 88 mph :x
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The story makes it sound a bit sketchy. One direction and .63 mph faster? The veyron had to use an average of two directions correct?
Fast is fast either way.
But they are aiming for a proper goal at least-fastest around the Top Gear track. :aok
I've been following the Venom GT for a few years now. As far as acceleration and top speed it is in a league of it's own.
Think about this, the Veyron 16.4 SS set it's top speed run on a 5 mile straight, with a 150mph rolling start out of steep banking. The Venom GT did it on a 2 mile runway from a standing start, and it was still pulling when he had to brake. You are right, Guinness did not award the top speed record to Hennessey because they did not do a run in both directions, also more importantly they say you must build at least 30 cars to be considered 'production' and Hennessey only plans to build 29.
The Venom GT did get a Guinness record for 0-300kph (186mph) acceleration at 13.63 seconds.
It's all about power to weight.
Veyron 16.4 SS: 1200bhp and 4,400lbs curb weight. The P/W ratio is 1/3.6
Venom GT: 1244bhp and 2,743. P/W ratio is 1/2.2
The Venom GT has a bit more power, but more importantly is over 1,600lbs lighter. The Veyron very nearly weighs a TON more.
The Veyron to me has always seemed like a heavy, over-engineered oddity. Like those Volkswagen engineers got some loopy juice and just went nuts. I mean a W16 engine, 4 turbos, 13 YES, 13 radiators?!?! All that complexity and added cost and weight for what? 1200bhp. Really... American muscle car, and drag car builders have know how to get 1500+bhp out of a small block Chevy or Ford V8 for decades. What I like about the Venom is it's back-to-basics simplicity. Lightweight body, twin turbo V8, super wide tires = go very, very fast.
I'll just leave this here for some final food for thought. From Goodwood a couple years back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pE_WFWjsgE
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The Veyron isn't just an all-out record breaking street racer. It is an absolutely no expenses spared luxury road car. There is no question what car I'd want on a drag strip... Clearly the Venom. My choice would be equally clear if I wanted to drive around Europe a couple of weeks... The Veyron.
(http://carphotosgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/2012-Silver-Hennessey-Venom-GT-Luxury-Interior-Design.jpg)
(http://www.carspictures.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Bugatti-Veyron-Interior-Design-White-Color.jpg)
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John Hennessey used to voice his doubts on our 283mph standing mile run until we invited him to the shuttle landing facility.
Superior surface and facility.
We'll be back soon to crack 300mph.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5443/9736077626_6bb7a6fb03_b.jpg)
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Not a fair comparison at all since Hennessey is in the aftermarket industry. Veyron leaves the plant unmodified. I can careless about semantics, the Veyron is an incredible accomplishment.
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:aok
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The Veyron isn't just an all-out record breaking street racer. It is an absolutely no expenses spared luxury road car. There is no question what car I'd want on a drag strip... Clearly the Venom. My choice would be equally clear if I wanted to drive around Europe a couple of weeks... The Veyron.
I get that. What I don't get about the Veyron is a W16 quad-turbo powerplant... to me that's just VW engineers gone all :rolleyes: As a powerplant it just doesn't make sense at all to me, sure it's unique, but it created a whole 'nuther level of engineering issues to be solved to make it work. The whole thing seems almost Rube Goldberg-esque to me. Could have easily made that kind of power with a twin-turbo setup on something like the Audi V10 or Lambo V12 engines which VW already own. Would have been lighter, easier to cool (maybe only 6 radiators/heat exchangers instead of 13) and much, much, cheaper. Like maybe it'd be only $1 million instead of 3 and VW could actually make a profit instead of a loss on each one.
I'm not a fan of the styling either. For me to pick a car to tour Europe it would have to be a AM V12 Vanquish, it actually has practical a trunk/boot.
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I've been following the Venom GT for a few years now. As far as acceleration and top speed it is in a league of it's own.
Think about this, the Veyron 16.4 SS set it's top speed run on a 5 mile straight, with a 150mph rolling start out of steep banking. The Venom GT did it on a 2 mile runway from a standing start, and it was still pulling when he had to brake. You are right, Guinness did not award the top speed record to Hennessey because they did not do a run in both directions, also more importantly they say you must build at least 30 cars to be considered 'production' and Hennessey only plans to build 29.
The Venom GT did get a Guinness record for 0-300kph (186mph) acceleration at 13.63 seconds.
It's all about power to weight.
Veyron 16.4 SS: 1200bhp and 4,400lbs curb weight. The P/W ratio is 1/3.6
Venom GT: 1244bhp and 2,743. P/W ratio is 1/2.2
The Venom GT has a bit more power, but more importantly is over 1,600lbs lighter. The Veyron very nearly weighs a TON more.
The Veyron to me has always seemed like a heavy, over-engineered oddity. Like those Volkswagen engineers got some loopy juice and just went nuts. I mean a W16 engine, 4 turbos, 13 YES, 13 radiators?!?! All that complexity and added cost and weight for what? 1200bhp. Really... American muscle car, and drag car builders have know how to get 1500+bhp out of a small block Chevy or Ford V8 for decades. What I like about the Venom is it's back-to-basics simplicity. Lightweight body, twin turbo V8, super wide tires = go very, very fast.
I'll just leave this here for some final food for thought. From Goodwood a couple years back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pE_WFWjsgE
The difference is that mass production cars need to stay in one piece for longer than 1 two mile strip at a time. It's easy to pull 2000hp from an engine. To have that engine last for a decade in random use then again...
That Goodwood clip indeed leaves you thinking that either the Venom has a really crappy gearbox or the driver didn't know how to drive stick lol.
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I'm not a fan of the styling either. For me to pick a car to tour Europe it would have to be a AM V12 Vanquish, it actually has practical a trunk/boot.
+1
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The Bugatti looks like a cross between an Edsel and an Audi TT.
The Veyron isn't just an all-out record breaking street racer. It is an absolutely no expenses spared luxury road car. There is no question what car I'd want on a drag strip... Clearly the Venom. My choice would be equally clear if I wanted to drive around Europe a couple of weeks... The Veyron.
(http://carphotosgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/2012-Silver-Hennessey-Venom-GT-Luxury-Interior-Design.jpg)
(http://www.carspictures.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Bugatti-Veyron-Interior-Design-White-Color.jpg)
That interior looks like a cross between a boy racer's wet dream and DJ Docta MoFo Bling Dawg's pimp mobile. $2 million dollars worth of bad taste.
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Any sports car that cost $2 mill is bad taste, no matter what it looks like.
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I get that. What I don't get about the Veyron is a W16 quad-turbo powerplant... to me that's just VW engineers gone all :rolleyes: As a powerplant it just doesn't make sense at all to me, sure it's unique, but it created a whole 'nuther level of engineering issues to be solved to make it work. The whole thing seems almost Rube Goldberg-esque to me. Could have easily made that kind of power with a twin-turbo setup on something like the Audi V10 or Lambo V12 engines which VW already own. Would have been lighter, easier to cool (maybe only 6 radiators/heat exchangers instead of 13) and much, much, cheaper. Like maybe it'd be only $1 million instead of 3 and VW could actually make a profit instead of a loss on each one.
I'm not a fan of the styling either. For me to pick a car to tour Europe it would have to be a AM V12 Vanquish, it actually has practical a trunk/boot.
VW has a number of W-motors. The W8 is used in the Passat and the W12 in the Phaeton. The Veyron's W16 is just an extension on an existing VW engine series.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Volkswagen_W16.jpg/1280px-Volkswagen_W16.jpg)
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Lol...
Veyron and Venom GT are not the fastest cars in the world any longer.
Koenigsegg Agera R and Koenigsegg One:1 are. They've topped out at around 286 MPH, and the One:1 (as probably given away by it's name) has a power to weight ratio of 1:1. 1360-ish horsepower for 1360-ish kilo's in weight.
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The Veyron to me has always seemed like a heavy, over-engineered oddity. Like those Volkswagen engineers got some loopy juice and just went nuts. I mean a W16 engine, 4 turbos, 13 YES, 13 radiators?!?! All that complexity and added cost and weight for what? 1200bhp. Really... American muscle car, and drag car builders have know how to get 1500+bhp out of a small block Chevy or Ford V8 for decades. What I like about the Venom is it's back-to-basics simplicity. Lightweight body, twin turbo V8, super wide tires = go very, very fast.
Actually it has 10 Radiators and the engine makes 3000hp, but 2/3's of the energy is heat. Leaving around 1001ish is available at the wheels (but the actual number is not released by Bugatti). 250mph to a standstill in around 10 secs has to be an amazing feat of engineering. I am not mentioning the World Record Edition, just the Standard.
But there is the Venom GT, I mean the reworked Lotus Exige. Gimme the Bugatti. Why? It is an original design and not a bastardized version of something else.
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Actually it has 10 Radiators and the engine makes 3000hp, but 2/3's of the energy is heat. Leaving around 1001ish is available at the wheels (but the actual number is not released by Bugatti). 250mph to a standstill in around 10 secs has to be an amazing feat of engineering. I am not mentioning the World Record Edition, just the Standard.
But there is the Venom GT, I mean the reworked Lotus Exige. Gimme the Bugatti. Why? It is an original design and not a bastardized version of something else.
Original Veyron had 10, the SS has 12 (I was one off)
As for 3000hp... ... :headscratch: I have no idea what you're on about, horsepower is a unit of measurement for work, not heat energy, 1 horsepower = 33,000lb/ft of work per minute. All engines waste energy as heat, that has nothing to do with how much work they can accomplish. All you're saying is that that engine has poor thermal efficiency (all internal combustion engines do) horsepower has nothing to do with wasted thermal energy.
As for a reworked Lotus. The only thing left from the original Lotus on the Venom is the windshield, doors, and a few interior bits. 95% of the car is purpose built by Hennessey.
The difference is that mass production cars need to stay in one piece for longer than 1 two mile strip at a time. It's easy to pull 2000hp from an engine. To have that engine last for a decade in random use then again...
Oh poppycock. That Hennessey built drivetrain will easily last just as long and be just as reliable as the VW. I would argue more reliable since it's a much simpler design with about half as many potential failure points. Besides the instances when either the Venom or the VW would actually hit the peak of their powerbands are so rare anyways. Those engines will live 90% of their life tooling around making less than a third of their peak power, and when they do hit peak power it'll only be for a few seconds at a time.
That Goodwood clip indeed leaves you thinking that either the Venom has a really crappy gearbox or the driver didn't know how to drive stick lol.
The gearbox in the Venom is a Ricardo, same unit used it the Ford GT. It's a bulletproof gearbox.
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Lol...
Veyron and Venom GT are not the fastest cars in the world any longer.
Koenigsegg Agera R and Koenigsegg One:1 are. They've topped out at around 286 MPH, and the One:1 (as probably given away by it's name) has a power to weight ratio of 1:1. 1360-ish horsepower for 1360-ish kilo's in weight.
I do love the crazy styling of Koenigsegg.
I believe the Venom GT would also top out around 285ish mph with a longer run. If you look at their run at NASA it was still pulling at 270 when he ran out of runway. I saw an interview with John Hennessey where he said the computer models say it would do 280 at least. Looking at the power to weight ratio it's exactly the same as the Koenigsegg One, (1kg=2.2lbs) so the difference would come down to aero.
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Original Veyron had 10, the SS has 12 (I was one off)
As for 3000hp... ... :headscratch: I have no idea what you're on about, horsepower is a unit of measurement for work, not heat energy, 1 horsepower = 33,000lb/ft of work per minute. All engines waste energy as heat, that has nothing to do with how much work they can accomplish. All you're saying is that that engine has poor thermal efficiency (all internal combustion engines do) horsepower has nothing to do with wasted thermal energy.
As for a reworked Lotus. The only thing left from the original Lotus on the Venom is the windshield, doors, and a few interior bits. 95% of the car is purpose built by Hennessey.
Oh poppycock. That Hennessey built drivetrain will easily last just as long and be just as reliable as the VW. I would argue more reliable since it's a much simpler design with about half as many potential failure points. Besides the instances when either the Venom or the VW would actually hit the peak of their powerbands are so rare anyways. Those engines will live 90% of their life tooling around making less than a third of their peak power, and when they do hit peak power it'll only be for a few seconds at a time.
The gearbox in the Venom is a Ricardo, same unit used it the Ford GT. It's a bulletproof gearbox.
Wrong. It is WAY less than 95%. Yes, 3000 and that is per Bugatti engineers. When they dyno'd the engine at full throttle for the first time, the building almost caught fire.
You are incorrect on so many levels.
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270 mph in the venom is amazing to just think about, when I used to race bikes a few years back ( GSXXR100) my fastest speed travelled was 190 mph, I couldn't imagine going almost 100mph more, the road must just be a blue :O
Lil drunk when I wrote this. Gsxr1000 lol not gssx100, not a real bike.
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This is what it looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdGZTyERKro
254 mph in a convertible with the top off... !
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Here it is, just announced the Venom F5. sorry Bugatti.
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/hennessey-venom-f5-revealed-2014-08-04
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And then there will be a new Bugatti... Competition like this is good for the industry. First production car to 300 mph... That will be a milestone!
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Nothing looks this good. Now or ever. Except another one. ;)
I liked snuggies vids and I'd wager the venom would not fare that well against a shrub. Designed for racin so it will disintegrate the same
(http://motorsfolia.com/imgs/ac/ac-shelby-cobra-replica/ac-shelby-cobra-replica-05.jpg)
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So how many Venoms will Hennessey have to sell to become a "production car".
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So how many Venoms will Hennessey have to sell to become a "production car".
It's not about how many you sell, it's about how many you produce, hence the term "production car." AFAIK it was 30 cars in the course of a year to be considered a production car.
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I guess that's why Hennessey is only making 29... All those pesky safety and environmental regulations that production cars like the Veyron has to satisfy.
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When aftermarket modified cars are considered anything goes. Until recently the fastest road legal car in Europe was a 1400 horsepower 252 mph 1987 Pontiac Trans-Am...
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/22/europes-fastest-street-legal-car-is-a-252-mph-pontiac-trans/