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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: jeffdn on September 04, 2014, 08:35:07 AM
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Pretty wild, and a not unfamiliar story!
(http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/uploads/monthly_04_2014/post-1354-0-67057300-1397156942.jpg)
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:O
Amazing.
Musta been scary considering he was at low altitude.
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Funny that you posted this...the last 2 times I've flown a 190A8 I have landed with half a wing... :rock
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new achievement?
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new achievement?
If so, I have a thousand of them.
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The caption is mostly correct. The proper write-up though is "Boo, while flying in the MA collided with a freaking Brewster....yada yada yada." And yes, I am happy to claim the kill.
boo
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:O I would have told the crew chief to bring a bottle of my favorite and a pack of smokes, then proceeded to get completely wasted in the cockpit.
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Did the Spit pilot bail out?
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Did the Spit pilot bail out?
Doesn't sound like it from the photo caption.
ack-ack
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ace pilots everywhere...
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Doesn't sound like it from the photo caption.
ack-ack
Well that's actually what made me think he did. The plane was rolling as the pilot fought the controls, then it just went into a dive. I know the caption says "low altitude", but that is subjective for the ETO. The Spitfire may have stabilized in a dive after the pilot jettisoned the canopy and bailed out. Here's to hoping anyways....
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Well that's actually what made me think he did. The plane was rolling as the pilot fought the controls, then it just went into a dive. I know the caption says "low altitude", but that is subjective for the ETO. The Spitfire may have stabilized in a dive after the pilot jettisoned the canopy and bailed out. Here's to hoping anyways....
The part that says the Spitfire rolled twice and then dove into the sea kind of leads me to believe the Spitfire pilot didn't bail out or otherwise survive.
ack-ack
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It also says "very low altitude". I'm guessing that's why Rischbieter stayed with the aircraft instead of bailing, and he was lucky to still have a controllable aircraft. The Spit pilot was not as lucky.
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My research didn't turn up anything about the Spit pilot, but it did find some interesting stuff about Rischbieter. After the war he became a DMD (dentist), and even invented a type of (patented) artificial tooth. He died in 1996. He must have been a very intelligent guy.
On one forum, one of his patients says he asked him about the war (this was in the 60s). He said Reschbieter would not talk about it at all.
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Yet again an area where I have heard people crow on about unrealistic elements in AH (like surviving in a plane with half a wing missing) only to find that it happened historically.
Another pic I like in this regard:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/tbmHalfWing.jpg)
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Yet again an area where I have heard people crow on about unrealistic elements in AH (like surviving in a plane with half a wing missing) only to find that it happened historically.
Another pic I like in this regard:
(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/tbmHalfWing.jpg)
What is the information on this one?
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(http://www.electraforge.com/brooke/misc/aces_high/tbmHalfWing.jpg)
It is an image from "TBF/TBM Avernger Units of World War 2," by Barrett Tillman. The caption says only "This VT-82 [that's from the Bunker Hill] TBM lost half its port wing and most of the fuselage decking between the turret and its tail, yet kept flying long enough to make a successful ditching."
This site https://www.facebook.com/393166910813107/photos/a.393169424146189.1073741828.393166910813107/554896654640131/?type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/393166910813107/photos/a.393169424146189.1073741828.393166910813107/554896654640131/?type=1) with colorized version:
(https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s720x720/10404282_554896654640131_2135102039001387153_n.png?oh=aace1bec701ce349bf7efc08529c8cad&oe=5487595A)
says:
Ensign Robert "Bob" T. King in his damaged TBM-3 'Avenger' White 113 of VT-82, USS Bennington (CV-20), 18th of February 1945.
(Standard early 1945 colours were blue overall with the Bennington 'Christmas tree', or arrowhead, repeated on the upper starboard wing, overlapping the aileron.)
This Avenger was subject to one of the most dramatic aircraft photos of World War 2.
A mid-air collision resulted in the loss of nearly half the port wing, in addition to a five foot section of fuselage decking immediately aft of the turret. Bob King skilfully retained control of his doomed TBM long enough to make a successful water landing.
On February 18,1945 his squadron was to attack shipping and waterfront installations at Chi Chi Jima in the China Sea. (240 kilometres/150 miles north of Iwo Jima).
As they were approaching the waterfront installations they came under heavy anti-aircraft fire. An Avenger in a flight above them got hit by the anti-aircraft fire and it's right wing was blown off, it went into a spin and crashed into Bob King's plane. The propeller took off about four feet of the left wing and damaged the fuselage. The first Avenger crashed into the sea with no known survivors.
Starting to lose control of his plane, Bob King ordered his crew to bail out. As he started to lose altitude he was able to regain some control of his plane and was able to make it back to the task force and made a water landing and was rescued.
His crew of (Gunner) Grady Alvan York and (Radio) James Wesley Dye landed safely but were captured by the Japanese and both executed in captivity, on the orders of Japanese Navy Captain Shizuo Yoshii, who in 1947 was tried as a war criminal on Guam, found guilty, hanged and buried in an unmarked grave.
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Just to join the "Wow, they survived crowd!", the old jug:
apparently hit by 20mm from a Bf-109
(http://i.imgur.com/uMXz2UQ.jpg)
And we've ALL seen this B-17...
(http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/attachments/aviation/1985d1299757905t-battle-damaged-17s-b17f-16-jpg)
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Just to join the "Wow, they survived crowd!", the old jug:
apparently hit by 20mm from a Bf-109
That jug looks more like it got hit with a 30mm round!
And I've always wondered what hit that B-17... A fighter? One of its fellow bombers? A weird flak hit?
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A 30mm hit would be much worse...
(http://api.ning.com/files/OD5dWviHZ5fnl7MfxlgaxKh*G6fjYKj4PTEdfxhVBt2k1*wXTofCC0ZPHxgUmecdc6Nkt2HibvHiNA5PUaX274gLjNMlGemw/split.jpg)
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That jug looks more like it got hit with a 30mm round!
And I've always wondered what hit that B-17... A fighter? One of its fellow bombers? A weird flak hit?
As I recall, it was an Fw-190 that collided with it.
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There is this F-5 that collided with a Halifax bomber and managed to return to base. Yes, that is one of the Halifax's vertical stabilizers stuck in the wing of the F-5.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2632/3968644495_3e028c6482_b.jpg)
And this P-38 that collided with a Bf 109 after a head on pass, notice the booms chewed up by the propeller and the detached horizontal stabilizer. Don't know how the pilot managed to land this one.
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2637/3969430564_881cf526c7_b.jpg)
ack-ack
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That jug looks more like it got hit with a 30mm round!
And I've always wondered what hit that B-17... A fighter? One of its fellow bombers? A weird flak hit?
A Me-109 collided with it. They figure the pilot of the 109 was either dead or severely wounded, as he just came rolling through the formation in an uncoordinated fashion. The rear end of the B-17 broke off once it landed.
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A Me-109 collided with it. They figure the pilot of the 109 was either dead or severely wounded, as he just came rolling through the formation in an uncoordinated fashion. The rear end of the B-17 broke off once it landed.
Tail-gunner crawled back through the gap first. Imagine making that crawl in flight...
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Tail-gunner crawled back through the gap first. Imagine making that crawl in flight...
That would surely make my stomach drop!!