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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flench on October 09, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
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What would you guy's recommend for a small handgun that can fit in your pocket ? My 1911 9mm is to big to carry all the time . I need something cheap but that well do the job . Been having two guy's threatening me and after the one get's out of jail he told me to watch my back . So I need something but money is short .
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When I delivered pizza for a small time joint in Goldsboro NC (I needed the money as an E-5 with 3 babies), I bought a stainless Rossi snubnose 38. Tough, durable, and reliable. Fit in my jeans pocket with adequate firepower. I kept it loaded with +P ammo. Hard to beat a revolver for dependability.
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When I delivered pizza for a small time joint in Goldsboro NC (I needed the money as an E-5 with 3 babies), I bought a stainless Rossi snubnose 38. Tough, durable, and reliable. Fit in my jeans pocket with adequate firepower. I kept it loaded with +P ammo. Hard to beat a revolver for dependability.
You got a link or pic of it ? and what is +P ammo ?
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(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/R352025.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/R352025.jpg.html)
+P ammo is a step up from standard .38 cal ammo. Not quite as potent as .357 magnum ammo
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(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/R352025.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/R352025.jpg.html)
+P ammo is a step up from standard .38 cal ammo. Not quite as potent as .357 magnum ammo
I see . Thanks -ammo-
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This revolver cost me about $220 at the time, but this was 1996.... Prior to that I "carried" a stainless Ruger Redhawk in .44 Magnum under the seat. Not the best solution for self defense hence my decision to purchase the aforementioned Rossi.
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This revolver cost me about $220 at the time, but this was 1996.... Prior to that I "carried" a stainless Ruger Redhawk in .44 Magnum under the seat. Not the best solution for self defense hence my decision to purchase the aforementioned Rossi.
Sounds like the way to go . I well go to the pawn shop tomorrow and see that they get for one .
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I'd get this because of cost ($209) and size (easily put in a pocket):
(http://northamericanarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/2/22lr_1_7.jpg)
http://northamericanarms.com/firearms/lr/lr.html
Here's someone shooting with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MihQcJMy8OI
Regarding the .22 for self defense, here is what actual self-defense data indicates as opposed to people's feelings on the matter:
"The results I got from the study lead me to believe that there really isn't that much difference between most defensive handgun rounds and calibers. None is a death ray, but most work adequately...even the lowly .22s. . . . Caliber really isn't all that important. Take a look at the data. I hope it helps you decide what weapon to carry. No matter which gun you choose, pick one that is reliable and train with it until you can get fast accurate hits. Nothing beyond that really matters!"
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power
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OK, so I am curious - WTF Flench? Why is a jailbird threatening you? Not meaning to get off topic and better to communicate via PM.
BL: I wish you the best and protect yourself!
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PM me Flench.
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I'd get this because of cost ($209) and size (easily put in a pocket):
(http://northamericanarms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/2/2/22lr_1_7.jpg)
http://northamericanarms.com/firearms/lr/lr.html
Here's someone shooting with it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MihQcJMy8OI
Regarding the .22 for self defense, here is what actual self-defense data indicates as opposed to people's feelings on the matter:
"The results I got from the study lead me to believe that there really isn't that much difference between most defensive handgun rounds and calibers. None is a death ray, but most work adequately...even the lowly .22s. . . . Caliber really isn't all that important. Take a look at the data. I hope it helps you decide what weapon to carry. No matter which gun you choose, pick one that is reliable and train with it until you can get fast accurate hits. Nothing beyond that really matters!"
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/handgun-stopping-power
That would be better in my pocket . I seen one online that shot a 410 round but it was $300 buck's and I can not pay that . Not sure if I could hold something that small with that big of round anyway . I well check that one out as well .
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OK, so I am curious - WTF Flench? Why is a jailbird threatening you? Not meaning to get off topic and better to communicate via PM.
BL: I wish you the best and protect yourself!
Long story -ammo- . I well PM you later .
PM otw Slash
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Been having two guy's threatening me
Might also be wise to contact the police and let them know about it, and maybe have a lawyer send the thugs a letter stating that they can be subject civil suits if that behavior continues. It puts them on notice that other people know the situation and are involved, so even an idiot can understand that there can be consequences if threats continue and that if anything did happen to you, he would be the first one looked at. That is often an effective disincentive.
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Might also be wise to contact the police and let them know about it, and maybe have a lawyer send the thugs a letter stating that they can be subject civil suits if that behavior continues. It puts them on notice that other people know the situation and are involved, so even an idiot can understand that there can be consequences if threats continue and that if anything did happen to you, he would be the first one looked at. That is often an effective disincentive.
Did that yesterday . The cop's well be picking one up in the next few day's .
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Might also be wise to contact the police and let them know about it, and maybe have a lawyer send the thugs a letter stating that they can be subject civil suits if that behavior continues. It puts them on notice that other people know the situation and are involved, so even an idiot can understand that there can be consequences if threats continue and that if anything did happen to you, he would be the first one looked at. That is often an effective disincentive.
+1 on this advice.
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For self defense, I am not a big fan of a single action handgun. Unless you are VERY familiar with it and confident you can use it effectively in a "stressful" situation. I would much rather have the ability to simply pull the trigger.
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For self defense, I am not a big fan of a single action handgun. Unless you are VERY familiar with it and confident you can use it effectively in a "stressful" situation. I would much rather have the ability to simply pull the trigger.
I have to agree with you there .
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Whatever you get stay away from the Kel-Tec when I was a range officer I saw more functioning issues with them than any other handgun I can remember. When I worked in the store, I told people I'd rather carry a sharp stick than a KT because if I needed to defend myself, I knew the sharp stick would be more reliable. It was always a when would it fail instead of if it would fail
If I'm tucking something in my pocket (no holster) I like my Seecamp 32cal, Colt Mustang 380cal, or S&W Mod 60 .38cal. Corbon makes excellent SD rounds for all of them
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Ok mbailey . Thanks for the tip .
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Really can't go wrong with a revolver.....and I don't think I've ever seen one fail. Guys at the shop use to love their Taurus wheel guns. Don't have much exp with Rossi, but it's a wheelgun, not much to go wrong
More importantly, hope the scumbags don't give you any troubles. Stay Safe!
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Thanks mbailey . They know not to screw with me at my house . I just don't want to get caught out some where like coming from church and get jumped . I can't fight like I use to could for I have fibrosis of the liver now so I got to have something to back me up .
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For self defense, I am not a big fan of a single action handgun. Unless you are VERY familiar with it and confident you can use it effectively in a "stressful" situation. I would much rather have the ability to simply pull the trigger.
I like that it's a revolver (also is inexpensive at $200 and very light at 4.5 oz), but there are a few just a little bigger that aren't revolvers and that are double action or semi-auto.
(http://www.keltecweapons.com/media/article/image/cache/414-355-DSC05724.png)
Kel-tec P-32 ($320, 6.6 oz)
(http://seecamp.com/images/SizeComparison.jpg)
Seecamp LWS .32 ($450, 11.5 oz)
(http://northamericanarms.com/media/catalog/category/32ACP-300_1.jpg)
NAA guardian .32 ACP ($400-$430, 13.5 oz)
(http://www.ruger.com/products/lcp/images/3701.jpg)
Ruger LCP .380 ($379, 9.4 oz)
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mbailey, thanks for the info on Kel-tec vs. Seecamp.
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Wonder why such a small gun run so much money . You know it's not that much material in them . Look's like they be cheaper than they are . I did not give but $600 for my Browning 270 but that was 30 year's ago .
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This is my cc gun:
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/bersa.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/bersa.jpg.html)
Can be had for under $300. Small but not too small and has a good reputation.
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What would you guy's recommend for a small handgun that can fit in your pocket ?
Most of the suggested guns thus far will not fit in your pocket, unless you're Santa Claus.
Pocket-size guns condemn you to .22 LR, .22 Mag, .380 or one of the two-shot derringers. There's a recent thread with that discussion, the conclusion seemed to be that it didn't much matter. For myself, on the assumption that the bigger hole is more important for low-power cartridges, I've favored the .380, and I carry my Ruger LCP every day. I keep wishing someone could make a small revolver, because you don't have to worry about smokestack jams and that sort of thing, but it hasn't happened yet.
Know that (except for the .22s) these are very unpleasant guns to shoot. But that's not why you're carrying one.
- oldman
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I carried a S&W 360pd and I loved it. I'm trying to get the funds up to buy it back from my buddy. I regret selling it. It fits perfectly in your front pocket and has a big punch (it does kick a wee bit though).
(http://www.genitron.com/Reviews/sw-360pd-3.jpg)
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I carried a S&W 360pd and I loved it. I'm trying to get the funds up to buy it back from my buddy. I regret selling it. It fits perfectly in your front pocket and has a big punch (it does kick a wee bit though).
(http://www.genitron.com/Reviews/sw-360pd-3.jpg)
Looks cool too .
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A snub nosed .38 Special from a reputable make such as Smith and Wesson, Ruger, etc, would be my suggestion to someone for what you're asking for.
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That Buckeye report had to be one of the most unscientific studies Ive ever read. You would have to be insane to carry a .22 purposely. Even more insane to carry a .25 . Acceptable carry rounds start at .38/9mm and in the size you can get them now why on earth would you bother with less?
OK many havnt much experience with handgun wounds and shootings. But many of you are Hunters and know the importance of shot placement with adequate calibers and well constructed bullets. Its no difference with self defense. If you carry some .22 2 shot Derringer you must not place much value in your life, "tho I guess it beats praying". Its just not a good self defense weapon/caliber.
Remember, killing the bad guy is not the objective. The objective is "survival". What good is it if the BG bleeds out 3 mins AFTER killing you? Sounds like a failed shoot to me. Which is why one should carry and adequate weapon/round for self defense. And not just that but also adequate shooting skills which have to include being able to shoot on the move, being able to get to your weapon quickly and smoothly, and being able to put multiple rounds in the vital areas of the BGs body.
The Ruger .380 is the minimum I carry. I always have a 7 round clip in it and a reload. I'd prefer a 9mm and 2 reloads which is what I used to carry off duty all the time. Optimum would be to carry both. The one off duty shoot I had was with a .38 snub SW M-36 and 158 grn +P LHPs. This is a load we have shot a lot of BGs with and it has performed very well. I think advice to go with such a gun and round is very sound.
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Take a concealed carry class if you haven't done so already if you are able and a weapon without a safety to carry will help in the legal process if you must use it. Hopefully it never comes to that. If the two individuals have felony records, usually a visit from the law or as stated, an attorney will deter most, but a lot of those types aren't to bright and may try a reach around with an unknown third dirtbag. Keep vigilant.
68valu
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(http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/446478000/446478205/pix659359712.jpg)
Arsenal AF2011
You don't need a smaller gun, you need a bigger pocket.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=446478205
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That Buckeye report had to be one of the most unscientific studies Ive ever read.
I don't doubt that in your line of work, something more substantial is absolutely the correct choice, but the study is not unscientific. It is one of the few studies that looks at the most important thing for civilian self defense: how many shots does it take before the attack stops. Also, the data set is general attacks where gunshots were fired, so typical examples are going to be robberies, muggings, attempted rapes, "knockout game" type interactions, etc., and not heavily weighted toward drug-crazed lunatics trying to the last breath to kill a person or toward drug kingpins shooting it out with authorities until one side or the other is dead. In these typical cases, it wouldn't be surprising that most attackers stop after one shot -- and that's exactly what the data shows.
Now, it wouldn't matter if an S&W revolver was as easy to carry as a small .22 -- then why not carry the S&W? For a lot of people, though, carrying a S&W revolver 18 hours a day every day isn't practical and isn't going to happen, but carrying a very small .22 might.
Also, the author of the study isn't a crackpot -- he has a solid background. "Greg Ellifritz is the full time firearms and defensive tactics training officer for a central Ohio police department. He holds instructor or master instructor certifications in more than 75 different weapon systems, defensive tactics programs and police specialty areas. Greg has a master's degree in Public Policy and Management and is an instructor for both the Ohio Peace Officer's Training Academy and the Tactical Defense Institute."
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Viewing youtube of crimminals getting shot is my favorite method of relaxation :old:
If your a crimminal and you get wasted doing your crime i feel all warm inside
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If you're going to carry a pistol for the primary purpose of self defense, I would not recommend any caliber less than a .38 special.
That being said, my choice of a small caliber gun to carry in my pocket is a S&W .22 Magnum revolver with a 1 3/4 " barrel. This gun is not intended to stand off at a distance and fire, it is a gun meant for face-to-face close combat encounter.
I chose a revolver over an automatic for reliability and I carry it in a pocket holster so that it doesn't collect pocket lint.
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Viewing youtube of crimminals getting shot is my favorite method of relaxation :old:
If your a crimminal and you get wasted doing your crime i feel all warm inside
:aok
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The cop's must of picked up dude yesterday for I made paper's out on him . He rang my phone off the hook until I did a block . I don't think he be coming back to my house tho . He did not like looking down the barrel of my 270 to well .
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This is my cc gun:
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/bersa.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/bersa.jpg.html)
Can be had for under $300. Small but not too small and has a good reputation.
I've been extremely happy with mine.
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I carry a Glock 27 gen4 in a Sneaky Pete holster. It is 40 cal double action semi auto pistol. However, it is very heavy on my waist band and I have been looking for something a bit lighter. I love my weapon and I feel that is has the stopping power for any situation, but it's just too heavy.
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I carry a Glock 27 gen4 in a Sneaky Pete holdster. It is 40 cal double action semi auto pistol. However, it is very heavy on my waist band and I have been looking for something a bit lighter. I love my weapon and I feel that is has the stopping power for any situation, but it's just too heavy.
my g27 was my first carry weapon and my favorite hand gun. However, like you, I find it too bulky to carry comfortably. The 360pd was the perfect answer for me. It fit comfortably in my front pocket and packs plenty of punch. Since I sold my 360pd to offset some cost of my shot gun I have been back to carrying the g27. I seriously regret selling the 360pd.
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Study was very subjective Brooke. Even Evan admits his data is to be used as a guide only. First off the data pool is small. Second its a statistical fact that at least 5 out of 6 people shot with handguns will survive, and a BG still breathing is a BG who is dangerous.
The author himself admits he doesnt, and couldnt, use the types of bullet as a factor in the study. Now since the type of projectile is as important as the caliber itself the lack of inclusion of said data, ITSELF, invalidates the study. My guess is he uses a lot of military data cause 1/2 of his 9mm info is from ball ammo and ball ammo is just not an effective bullet design nor does it transfer energy as effectively as JHPs or even Lead.
His use of head shots is also an aberration that I dont believe Evan used. The reason why is because head shots are notoriously unreliable. Not only is the CSN a small target but there are even parts of the brain that, even when hit, wont stop the attack. There are only three small target area's in front, side, and base, of the head that CAN cause a immediate shut down when shot with a handgun. Ive seen guys hit in the head with a .45 have the bullet wrap around their skull and they themselves walk to the hospital. One guy drove after getting hit accidentally on NY Eve.
To his credit the author admits at the end that most of his data really doesnt mean much. This has always been the problem with such studies, that the fact that there are just to many "unknowns" in these incidents that how very hard to quantify. The author does make one statement that I dont agree with and thats regarding the use of mouse guns. He leaves the reader feeling a .22 is just as good as a .38 and that just isnt so.
When I first started this business over 30 years ago "most" of what we took from these gangsters, and most of what they used, was all .22s, .25s, .380s, and almost always ball ammo. The guns themselves were pretty much crap like Lorcin's or Astra's. Now I cant even remember the last gang shooting I handled where a cheap mouse gun with lousy ammo was used. They have grown more sophisticated and rich with drug money "I suspect the Internet" and nowdays a quality 9mm and quality JHPs are a minimum for the gang "shoota's". I was even once shot at by a shooter who had a .357 and 125 JHPs.
Now one would think there would be a corresponding increase with stops and fatalities with the use of better weapons and bullets ; However, There has also been a corresponding advancement in emergency medical science and EMS response times. Wounds that were almost always fatal 30 years ago are now routinely survivable. But all in all theres no way I'd ever tell anyone to carry a .22 to protect themselves.
I once had a .22 Beretta and had it in my pocket when two guys tried to rob me one morning. Without going into detail the piece did not bring me comfort and I sold it the next day and never again carried a mouse gun.
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I like something like this maybe . Carry's a 410 round .
(http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y313/LittleGeorgeJr/pistal_zpscf06020c.jpg) (http://s1025.photobucket.com/user/LittleGeorgeJr/media/pistal_zpscf06020c.jpg.html)
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If you want a pocket gun a S&W air lite or Ruger LCR is your best bet imo.
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If you want a pocket gun a S&W air lite or Ruger LCR is your best bet imo.
Yeah but I can load this one with 0 buck and have like 12 pieces of lead coming out .
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Yeah but I can load this one with 0 buck and have like 12 pieces of lead coming out .
410 derringers should be kept in the drawer unloaded so if some moron comes to rob you he'll find that instead of the much better gun you have hidden somewhere else. :)
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Well I got the S&W 1911 but it's way to heavy to carry all day . You get hit at point blank with this 410 it's going to blow a hole through you .
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Flench I strongly recommend you go to a range that has several handguns for rent and try a few. I am NOT a fan of the two shot derringer. The folks I know who have had one have had very spotty luck with reliability issues.
I carried for a living. I still carry today, every day. I do not carry a 22 unless that is all I have. I will never ever carry a NA mini revolver. I've shot them and I have a Walther TPH 22 that will shoot rings around the NA stuff. I don't carry that except as a back up to a bigger gun. Yeah they are cute and tiny. They are also very hard to shoot accurately more than 10 feet away. That is about 3 steps distance. The 22 can be effective but requires precise placement. In a crunch, under pressure, in a hurry, the NA will not do the job unless you are an expert marksman in real world settings. Range doesn't count since the rounds only go one way there.
I recommend a S&W airweight 642 or equivalent ( like a Ruger LCR) in .38 loaded with premium ammo like Hornady Critical Defence / Duty ammo. If you must have a semi auto the smallest I would recommend is the Ruger LCP with the same brand ammo in .380. Use an inside the pocket holster for each.
S&W and Kahr also make a .380 equivalent to the LCP. If you can find one a better option is the Ruger LC9. A touch bigger but a better round in 9MM, stay with the Hornady Critical Defense ammo there too. Or another brand that has the same capabilities.
Lastly I recommend you get some training and practice practice practice practice. You want to be able to shoot well with some built in muscle memory because that is the level you will end up shooting at when the crap hits the fan. Invest in ammo and range time. The best fight to win is the one you avoid having to fight.
If you have been threatened get an order of protection or restraining order against the person who is doing the threats. You want a record of trouble if you think they will really come after you.
Learn the concealed carry laws in your home area. You want to be properly licensed if required. You do NOT want to end up being arrested for illegally carrying.
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I understand Maverick , Thanks .
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Those S&W airweights are nice......just not to friendly on the hand ( I think it was Pewter a few threads ago said he had one / or shot one in .357. Ask him to describe the recoil :lol
I have a good friend that carries a Kahr P9. He's loves the thing, and to my knowledge never had any issues with it
.270 works too though :D
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.270 works too though :D
Yeah it does . Quite well , lol .
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I like my ruger LCP. .380. Not a huge punch but it'll leave a mark and it makes loud enough sounds to make it clear there's a shootin war going on.
I got it for 3 reasons.
1. I know I won't carry anything larger and I don't need another gun to sit on the shelf.
2. It is more rounded than other comparable models and has less protruding bits to catch on clothing.
3. It functioned reliably with 6 different types of ammo when I took it to the range the first time.
It isn't terribly expensive either. And for those tactical types, there is a laser sight that attaches easily and doesn't really add to any of the dimensions of the weapon, and actually makes it print a bit more like a wallet when carried in a pocket. I have mixed feelings about laser sights so I'm not using one and I'm practicing rapid employment without "aiming", out to about 15 yards. It points really easily with my right hand but for some reason I can't shoot it at all in my left hand. It just doesn't fit/feel/point/recoil correctly in my left hand. I suspect I need to try harder, but its really the first gun I've ever used that I couldn't shoot accurately on the first try with my left hand. Other than that, it has been more than satisfactory.
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Hard to beat a revolver for dependability.
I have never had an auto loader fail to function except for a couple of stove pipes which are easily and quickly cleared.
I have many times had a revolver fail to function serious enough that it put the gun out of action.
Just my experience with handguns.
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Study was very subjective Brooke.
He gets data -- he gives various stats calculated from the data. That is exactly the opposite of objective.
First off the data pool is small.
Yes, but it's the data. Smallness of the data set doesn't mean that it is unscientific or objective. It's always better to have larger data sets.
Second its a statistical fact that at least 5 out of 6 people shot with handguns will survive, and a BG still breathing is a BG who is dangerous.
That is not what I'm pointing out as the useful bit. The useful bit to me isn't probability of killing a person in 1 shot, or percentage of people still alive at the end of the attack, etc. -- the useful bit is, on average, how many shots does it take until the attack stops. The most-probable number of shots is 1, regardless of ammo. That doesn't seem surprising. That is why a .22 is OK (not the best, but OK) for typical self defense -- according to this data set.
Now since the type of projectile is as important as the caliber itself the lack of inclusion of said data, ITSELF, invalidates the study.
That doesn't invalidate the study or the part of it that I think is interesting.
My guess is he uses a lot of military data
I don't think so, given where he says he got the data, but who knows?
His use of head shots is also an aberration . . .
and they themselves walk to the hospital . . . [etc.]
I don't care about any of that. The main thing is: how many shots does it take to stop an attack. In the military and in police work, you probably care a great deal about the state of the guy at the end -- but that is not a normal citizen's main concern. If .22's took 15 shots on average for an attack to stop (or even 5), that would mean a .22 is not very useful. It takes less than 2 on average, about the same as other calibers. What this means is that one shot from a gun (no matter what type of gun it is or what ammo it has) typically will cause an attacker to say "Screw this" and move off -- again, according to this data set.
He leaves the reader feeling a .22 is just as good as a .38 and that just isnt so.
According to the data, it is, as long as you define "just as good" as "takes about the same number of shots on average until the attack stops". If you define "just as good" as "kills the same number of people in one shot" or "has the same percentage of people dead at end of attack" or something else, then no, that's not correct -- but that's not what he means.
When I first started this business over 30 years ago
Your realm of operation is vastly different than the average civilian's. You should have a much bigger gun than a .22. I wish you had a shotgun -- all the time!
But all in all theres no way I'd ever tell anyone to carry a .22 to protect themselves.
You probably would if they would carry a small .22 but would not carry anything bigger. That's what I'm getting at. It's not that a small .22 is better than a .38 if a person would carry either one equally frequently -- the .38 is of course better in that case.
I once had a .22 Beretta and had it in my pocket when two guys tried to rob me one morning. Without going into detail the piece did not bring me comfort and I sold it the next day and never again carried a mouse gun.
I'm interested in the particulars if you could relate them.
Also, would you rather have had the .22 Beretta or no gun at all, if those were your only two options?
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Also, would you rather have had the .22 Beretta or no gun at all, if those were your only two options?
That's a good point IMO. The very first shooting course I ever took, had Jeff Cooper driving up and down the long line of shooters in his golf cart. Afterwards he invited a bunch of us from Canada to his home at location for some drinks, as he wanted to talk with some of the officers that had come down. One thing he harped on was the following, as he knew how limited we are/were with handguns up here - "The very worst handgun in the world, so long as it will fire, is still many times better than the next best defensive option."
I believe he was right, which answers the quoted question pretty well.
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You know dude was a fool to call me and say he is coming to my house to kick my assss . He must of had a deaf wish . If I had not been trained and been shooting all my life he mite have been in big trouble . I would have loved to seen him when the cop's were slapping the handcuffs on him . Next time he be leaving in a body bag if their any part's left .
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I'm interested in the particulars if you could relate them.
Also, would you rather have had the .22 Beretta or no gun at all, if those were your only two options?
No real particulars. I was in a garage getting my boat ready for fishing when I saw 2 males walking towards me in the alley with a "robbers" neon sign on their foreheads. I had my gun out before they got there and they tried surrounding me in the garage when I waved my mouse gun at them and acted crazy which made them leave. I followed them and saw them break into a car, called the on duty police, and they were caught with the car stereo and a gun on them. Both had just gotten out of the joint for robbery. Typical stuff, I couldnt count the robber's and burglars Ive caught thru the years.
The only "point" I could see was that I had much better weaponry at home and because I was going fishing I just threw a little mouse gun in my pocket even tho the .38 snub wasnt much bigger. These things happen fast and without much warning. I was lucky to have a few seconds and the instincts to know scumbags when I see them. The only thing missing was a better caliber should I had to use it.