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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Flench on October 09, 2014, 04:22:31 PM
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Been flying it for the last few day's and it is really growing on me . I just wish it had more ammo .
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yak 3 should be 5 eny.
:noid
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yak 3 should be 5 eny.
:noid
LOL yeah but with just a hand full of ammo it's ok like it is .
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The 9T is a great de-acker
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The 9T is a great de-acker
Not for me . I can't get close to the ack in any plane for I get hit .
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No need to get close in the 9T :D
Also a fantastic long range vulcher...I mean base suppression fighter
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No need to get close in the 9T :D
Also a fantastic long range vulcher...I mean base suppression fighter
LOL , Seems I can be 5k out and still get hit , LOL .
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No need to get close in the 9T :D
Also a fantastic long range vulcher...I mean base suppression fighter
Shhhhh........ :)
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Love the Yak, it probably has the worst flaps in the game though don't use them unless you absolutely have to.
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It's funny how there was such a firestorm of threads about "perk the new Yak" when it came out, so many posts about how it was the new LA7 and unbalanced the game, and so on.
Now you barely see them or hear anyone talk of them much. I've been waiting for such a thread like this to come along, as I've been thinking about the Yak and what a sleeper it is now, compared to all the attention it got in the beginning.
Where does it sit now in some of the AH pilot's opinion? Is it a turn/angles fighter, and E fighter, sort of in the middle? Like Flench has said, it's guns aren't superb by any stretch, and good accuracy and aim and prediction is paramount with them, but so far as the aircraft performance, I'm interested in what everyone things is the best way to fly it, what its strengths and weaknesses are, and so on.
Again, I just find it a really interesting part of the game, a plane that was given SO much attention and praise, that has fallen from common use, unlike the first week or so it was around. I wish Lusche could chart it's use that first week or two, and compare it say to the last couple weeks.
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Yak7b is best yak. 40 ENY FTW! :D
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I wish Lusche could chart it's use that first week or two, and compare it say to the last couple weeks.
Can only do it for complete tours... tomorrow, yes? ;)
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The Yak-3 is an amazing plane. It is very good at a lot of things. It gives the Lgay and poni fanbois fits like nothing else. It truly is one of the best fighters in the game. However, it does have a major downfall: firepower
The single 20mm and dual .50 cal MG's offer one of the worst combo's for firepower "oomph" for a fighter in AH. Secondly, the ammo load is the WORST without question. The only other planes that share this title are the other Yak models with this gun set up. Sure, the 109F-4 and 109G have single 20mm cannons and dual MG's, but the ammo capacity is far superior. The ammo load alone forces me to be very careful in what and how I engage.
Also... dont forget the Yak-9U, it is faster than the -3 and almost as maneuverable.
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yak3 is uber and perk it ;)
its all about the big ol 37mm carrying yak9t :t
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It's funny how there was such a firestorm of threads about "perk the new Yak" when it came out, so many posts about how it was the new LA7 and unbalanced the game, and so on.
Now you barely see them or hear anyone talk of them much. I've been waiting for such a thread like this to come along, as I've been thinking about the Yak and what a sleeper it is now, compared to all the attention it got in the beginning.
Where does it sit now in some of the AH pilot's opinion? Is it a turn/angles fighter, and E fighter, sort of in the middle? Like Flench has said, it's guns aren't superb by any stretch, and good accuracy and aim and prediction is paramount with them, but so far as the aircraft performance, I'm interested in what everyone things is the best way to fly it, what its strengths and weaknesses are, and so on.
Again, I just find it a really interesting part of the game, a plane that was given SO much attention and praise, that has fallen from common use, unlike the first week or so it was around. I wish Lusche could chart it's use that first week or two, and compare it say to the last couple weeks.
I find it as sort of in the middle? Seems I can stay alive in it longer than any others . It really give's the other planes a hard time to shoot down . Now if I can just learn to hit in the darn thing I be dangerest .
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I Love the Yaks.
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Yak9T is mine
39 Cannons is to much :old:
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Limited ammo forces me to make my shots count, which is actually a good training tool.
If you can be effective with something that only carries 120 rounds, or 32 of the 37mm, think of what you can do with something more abundantly armed. ;)
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Yak's are so easy to beat its funny, they all do the same thing. :rolleyes:
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Yak9T is mine
39 Cannons is to much :old:
You know I only let you borrow my 9T. :old:
Don't go painting over my nekkid girl nose art just because I haven't been flying her in a while, she's still MY PLANE, Zack!
<--- doesn't feel right landing the 9T with fewer than 5 kills. Yes, she's all that.
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Yak7b is best yak. 40 ENY FTW! :D
It should be 30 at most, great plane.
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It should be 30 at most, great plane.
SHHHHHHH!!! I like it at 40! I get more perks for killing Spit16s and P51Ds that way. :devil
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Limited ammo forces me to make my shots count, which is actually a good training tool.
If you can be effective with something that only carries 120 rounds, or 32 of the 37mm, think of what you can do with something more abundantly armed. ;)
What I'm thinking too .
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Yak's are so easy to beat its funny, they all do the same thing. :rolleyes:
:banana:
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Again, I just find it a really interesting part of the game, a plane that was given SO much attention and praise, that has fallen from common use, unlike the first week or so it was around. I wish Lusche could chart it's use that first week or two, and compare it say to the last couple weeks.
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/yakusagesharegraph_zps4a05267a.jpg)
As the Yak-3 was introduced was not at the beginning of tour 162 but some days later, the actual 'usage' was initially actually higher than the 2.70%, possibly in the range of 4-6%. But that's nothing special, most new toys get a initially heavy usage which drops off after 1-2 weeks. In case of planes like the He 111, this drop off is rather massive... in case of the Yak-3 it's been surprisingly small.
For comparison, the Yak-7b (intruduced at the same time):
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/yak7sharegraph_zps98b96a9d.jpg)
EDIT: Yes, that's a typo in the title of the second graph. It's meant to be (K+D), not (D+D), of course. ;)
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From my experiences, I have found that most people who up Yak3's treat them like Spits. As for a "ENY5" bird you must be insane. If it could do 365 on the deck and carry 500kg of ord then you may have a point. Some people complain about the range and firepower of the Yak3, I however never really had an issue with both those issues. One can easily fly 1.5 sectors fur-ball a bit and have enough juice to make it home. As for firepower, I have routinely dropped sets of buffs with them unassisted and de-acked fields. The only question I really have is the "ENY23" Yak9u, in many ways I find it to be Superior to the yak3
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The Yak9t's cannon is the AIM-154 of Aces High... definitely one of my favorite planes :rock
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-QLTgHtmJgdY/UW7B5rDZ8UI/AAAAAAAACRY/QOWaHItyUqE/w942-h419-no/Gadwin362.jpg)
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Yak3 is a terrible plane. I would not reccomend it to anyone......
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You know I only let you borrow my 9T. :old:
Don't go painting over my nekkid girl nose art just because I haven't been flying her in a while, she's still MY PLANE, Zack!
<--- doesn't feel right landing the 9T with fewer than 5 kills. Yes, she's all that.
:rofl
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I find out planes like the Spitfire IX and VIII are far more difficult to fly and fight against than the Yak-3 or any other Yak variant.
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I find out planes like the Spitfire IX and VIII are far more difficult to fly and fight against than the Yak-3 or any other Yak variant.
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One of the worst drubbings I've ever had in a dueling match was in a dissimilar plane bracket Ink set up for the DFC a while back. I took the Yak3 because it was new and I thought it had a decent chance against the inevitable Spit8/16 opponents. MickyD owned me in a Spit8. Not even close. Pilot ability had something to do with it, but it was pretty clear from that match that the Spit had all the cards in that scenario.
I've found the Yak3 and the 38's to be similar in that they both do a lot of things well, but nothing really outstanding. That's a blessing and a curse because it can lead to you getting into situations that you shouldn't have gotten into.
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That's a blessing and a curse because it can lead to you getting into situations that you shouldn't have gotten into.
SO true just like a minute ago with six on one and me being the one , lol .
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I only started flying it the end of last tour, but I like the 9T. Good plane to up on defense when ords are down, and you need something maneuverable that can turret a tank, wipe out an M3 in one tap of the trigger, or knock someone's wing off if the opportunity arises. First time I flew it I killed 2 panzers. The 9T has also been forcing me to get better at gunnery. You can't exactly pull the trigger and let someone fly through your bullet stream in that plane. And while it doesn't carry the ammo load of an IL2 or 410, but it is far more maneuverable than those two.
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The problem I have with the Yak is that odd rotten sneaker/wetdog smell whenever I get near it make me nauseous.
Oh and that strange torque that goes the wrong way too!
:salute
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I find out planes like the Spitfire IX and VIII are far more difficult to fly and fight against than the Yak-3 or any other Yak variant.
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Got any tips for a 38 to deal with a yak? If I can get on their 6, I can deal with them but getting to their 6 is the hard part for me.
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Got any tips for a 38 to deal with a yak? If I can get on their 6, I can deal with them but getting to their 6 is the hard part for me.
High looping rolls against their torque.
They can turn, but just not really good enough. They can't out roll a 109, and they are sluggish at really slow speeds. I always love when yaks try to turn fight because they just can't quite roll around well enough for the 109 and better turning planes.
These are reasons why I don't fly it.
A 1v1 with a P51D is probably the best match up for it.
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Yaks seem to be where the "bug" in tators comes from...
Definitely have more yaks take a tator and get only oil leak then any other fighter in game.
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Yaks seem to be where the "bug" in tators comes from...
Definitely have more yaks take a tator and get only oil leak then any other fighter in game.
I hit a Yak-T with a 37mm AA yesterday and he got an oil leak from it :)
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Again, I just find it a really interesting part of the game, a plane that was given SO much attention and praise, that has fallen from common use, unlike the first week or so it was around. I wish Lusche could chart it's use that first week or two, and compare it say to the last couple weeks.
I do not know in which arena you fly in and at what time, but I see a lot of Yak3s. People stopped complaining about them in the forums because it is pointless to continue to do so without documentations - and so few of those exist, especially in a language that does not include some extra funky-looking letters and letters that are used wrong... ;)
The other reason for the lack of complaints is that like the LA7, there are very few good sticks that fly them. The vast majority of Yak3s that I meet are not flown very well, which is fortunate for the rest of us.
Yaks seem to be where the "bug" in tators comes from...
Definitely have more yaks take a tator and get only oil leak then any other fighter in game.
I hit a Yak-T with a 37mm AA yesterday and he got an oil leak from it :)
The Yaks have a funky damage modeling, especially the Yak3. Most players think it is due to their small size and the way damage is assigned to specific parts by the game. I had Yaks survive a full volley of 4 hispanos from nose to tail and come out with a fuel leak. There are some flukes like that with any plane due to some randomization I guess, but it is much more common in the Yak3s.
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I hit a Yak-T with a 37mm AA yesterday and he got an oil leak from it :)
Honestly I don't know how tough they were in combat, if they historically weren't as tough as Hellcats, then the damage model is wrong....but like a said, I don't know a lot about yaks, never really wanted to.
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It's fun hitting bombers out to almost D2.5 with the yak 9t.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,204187.msg4870411.html#msg4870411
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Yaks seem to be where the "bug" in tators comes from...
Definitely have more yaks take a tator and get only oil leak then any other fighter in game.
Most of the time's I got killed was because of a oil leak . Then it's no way to see your sites .
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They can turn, but just not really good enough. They can't out roll a 109, and they are sluggish at really slow speeds. I always love when yaks try to turn fight because they just can't quite roll around well enough for the 109 and better turning planes.
I noticed when the Yak3 gets very slow it doesn't seem to accelerate as well as the 109s, Spits or LA's. The planes mentioned seem to get their nose up a lot easier at stall speed than the Yak3. Just an impression I got. Seems ya have to be careful about what ya get real slow with.
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Just to add I think the gun set is pretty decent once ya get your aim down. Usually Russian guns are hard to aim and ya have to get close but when ya hit something they tend to clobber the target. The front view is fantastic with the Gun site well placed. Don't dive the thing past 500 it starts to shed parts! I think It also has decent range for the usual fair in the MA.
Tally Ho!
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the only yak i have trouble with in my stang-d is the yak3 :joystick:
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The problem I have with the Yak is that odd rotten sneaker/wetdog smell whenever I get near it make me nauseous.
Oh and that strange torque that goes the wrong way too!
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That is not the Yak Morf its pipz :old:
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That is not the Yak Morf its pipz :old:
How dare you! I live in the wilderness near Ontario and do not have access to the pleasantries city folk have! It is also of vital importance that I cover up my man scent with that of my surroundings so I may effectively hunt the beasts lurking here. I demand a public apology forth with! Rite then! :old:
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I had Yaks survive a full volley of 4 hispanos from nose to tail and come out with a fuel leak
I had <insert plane here> survive a full volley of <insert guns here> from nose to tail and come out with a fuel leak
...has been quoted by someone for every plane since the game began. Sometimes you get a good burst in and the results just are not what you hoped for. Some players have a hard time accepting that.
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...has been quoted by someone for every plane since the game began. Sometimes you get a good burst in and the results just are not what you hoped for. Some players have a hard time accepting that.
Which reminds me of "they really have nerfed the (insert plane of choice) with this last update" which is inevitably coming up every time :noid
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That is not the Yak Morf its pipz :old:
That must be the wet dog smell,I've seen that feral animal he keeps! Rumor has it that Pipz sleeps with the animal,even when it's not a 3 dog night!
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...has been quoted by someone for every plane since the game began. Sometimes you get a good burst in and the results just are not what you hoped for. Some players have a hard time accepting that.
As I said, it happens with every plane, BUT it seems to happen a lot more with the yak3.
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My personal favorite of late is the laughable complaint re the .50s in AH...you can roll a P-51D...shoot down 3 X Ju-88s, a Bf 109, and an Fw 190 have ammo to spare...and land 5 yet somehow they are "BBs". Please. :rolleyes:
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That must be the wet dog smell,I've seen that feral animal he keeps! Rumor has it that Pipz sleeps with the animal,even when it's not a 3 dog night!
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Hunting beaver does not require pipz to smell of fish and wet pants
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:old: :joystick: :cheers:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,315711.msg4099371.html#msg4099371
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I personally big fun of Yaks and Yak-3 in particular.
Yak-3 is "ultimate" fighter: small, nimble, good diver, climber, decent speed and amazing FOV.
I love the central concentrated gun package, it has the firepower that is "good enough" also you can't spray and prey with it.
But it has major drawbacks: pathetic loiter time (which requires you almost always to throttle back to save fuel at MA) and even more pathetic ammo load. It is also catches fire easily (but not as easy as Japanese paper planes)
Of course there are better planes. The hardest plane for me in Yak-3 to deal with is Spit-8/16... these are "Easy mode" planes as they better TnBs and have very comparable performance in the rest parameters like speed, dive, climb etc.
Finally... Yak-3 is considered one of the best WW2 fighters...
In general I always prefer Yaks over Land-Lease planes in Eastern Front setups.
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But it has major drawbacks: pathetic loiter time (which requires you almost always to throttle back to save fuel at MA) and even more pathetic ammo load.
They Yak has no limit on its max power that is modeled as "WEP" in AH. I have no idea of the real Yak3/9 had no operational limits to its engine, but I find it strange since every other fighter of the era did have limits on operating at maximum power. Sometimes had limits like the availability of water injection (e.g. R2800 engines) and sometimes softer limits in concern for the engine health (e.g. Merlins).
Flying around with the throttle firewalled in the Yak is like flying with WEP on 100% of the time - most AH planes will have their time reduced by 20-30% if they do that (of course they can't because WEP is limited). If range or loiter time is any kind of of an issue, then there is no reason to cruise at 100% power in the Yaks. From memory, the Yak9U has a very close full throttle time to a P47D11 on MIL. The D11 can carry a DT and the Yak9 can lower RPM or throttle back to achieve the same range increase, but still be faster and climb better than a CLEAN D11 - by far. There are probably better performing planes to compare to, I just know P47s better. Same goes for the La7 - that one has WEP limits modeled, but it has incredible low alt speed even on MIL. There is absolutely no reason for the La7 to cruise to/from the fight with the throttle firewalled and RPM at max, as it can trade a small decrease in travel speed for a large increase in range/time.
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You know what would be truly scary, the uprated Yak 3 that carried 3 cannons and was actually lighter than the Yak we have. It didn't see action. :(
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You know what would be truly scary, the uprated Yak 3 that carried 3 cannons and was actually lighter than the Yak we have. It didn't see action. :(
How did that not fall apart when the pileit sneezed?
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My personal favorite of late is the laughable complaint re the .50s in AH...you can roll a P-51D...shoot down 3 X Ju-88s, a Bf 109, and an Fw 190 have ammo to spare...and land 5 yet somehow they are "BBs". Please. :rolleyes:
That may be one example. But it's ridiculous when you hit someone with countless 50cals in snap shots and plug them with bullets and yet the enemy plane doesn't seem damaged and can still function properly. I for one get angry at the fact that most of my bullets do not do justice. I'll be in a 109g14 with gondies, which is 3 20mm and 2 50 cals, and your telling me a 200 out faceshot as he crosses directly in front of me, easy shot with a 1.5 second burst through his plane ain't gonna completely destroy a plane, meanwhile he flys away with a gas leak.
That is an issue that has irritated me for sometime. Getting picked because the enemy won't die is annoying.
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I cannot verify the source, but I do believe the 3 cannon yak3p did see brief service against the Japanese in August of 1945. I think your thinking of the Yak3 version with a 1600hp Kliminov engine instead of the 1400 hp engine that saw service in WW2. A yak3 with a 1600hp engine and 3 cannon would be a monster.
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Been flying it for the last few day's and it is really growing on me . I just wish it had more ammo .
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Just getting back in the game and trying out different planes. So far the Yak 3 just feels right.
Except for the ammo. I wish either it could carry much more, or that I was a better shot. :frown:
Coogan :airplane:
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The one I'm thinking about is the Yak 3P, which became the main production variant in mid 1945:
It had 3 × 20 mm Berezin B-20 cannon with about 120 rounds each, still a light load but with a lot more punch. According to Wikipedia: "The three-cannon armament with full ammunition load was actually 11 kg (24 lb) lighter than that of a standard Yak-3, and the one-second burst mass of 3.52 kg (7.74 lb) was greater than that of most contemporary fighters."
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I love the small ammo loadout of the yak-3
Yak-3 on my six?
A wiggle to the left
A wiggle to the right
Soon he's out of ammo
And has to end the fight
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With that being said it seems the yak3p was operational in Manchuria in August of 1945, if it actually saw combat would be difficult if not impossible to ascertain. I doubt the Japanese would be able to tell the difference, and the Soviet Union at that time was exceptionally secretive.
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Oh and by the way I am by no means advocating the introduction of the 3p into AH, I like the Yak3 as it is.
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Yak is great; if it's done right.
http://www.theyakranch.com/yak-meat-healthy-red-meat/yak-recipes/
:D
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I have flown the Yak-7b a lot recently and like it.
I haven't flown the Yak 3 much, but in fighting against them, they seem like antigravity machines.
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I love the small ammo loadout of the yak-3
Yak-3 on my six?
A wiggle to the left
A wiggle to the right
Soon he's out of ammo
And has to end the fight
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Nice, Lusche. :D Not everyone flies the Yak like that. I haven't gotten in one for a while, but back when I flew the Yak9U, or the T, there were actually quite a few fights where I ended up outflying them if/when I just couldn't get a shot. Made some of my opponents pile-it into the ground, never having expended much or any ammo.
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My inner grammar nazi wants to post about the thread's name.
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With that being said it seems the yak3p was operational in Manchuria in August of 1945, if it actually saw combat would be difficult if not impossible to ascertain. I doubt the Japanese would be able to tell the difference, and the Soviet Union at that time was exceptionally secretive.
Which units? I found the order of battle for the Soviet forces but it only lists the Yak 3 (no further designation) for a couple of the Soviet fighter groups.
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I am surprised no one is asking for the Yak-3T.
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I'll see if I can scrounge that up when I get time, it may have been from "Wings of the Red Star".
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I am surprised no one is asking for the Yak-3T.
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Of the grosssly idotic things to make public.
Its a outrage!
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Of the grosssly idotic things to make public.
Its a outrage!
I guess I'm luck I didn't mention the Yak-3T-57 with a 57 mm OKB-16-57 cannon. :devil
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Pfffffffffffffft
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Pfffffffffffffft
Did someone pull a finger?
:aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9W_TX2NAI
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That was the valve releasing pressure. In a fashion guaranteed to cause outrage.
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I cannot verify the source, but I do believe the 3 cannon yak3p did see brief service against the Japanese in August of 1945.
Gordon & Khazonov state that none of them (596 built) saw combat.......... seems that some early production variants were tested on Oct-Nov 45.
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Decided to take the Yak3 for a few sorties before work this evening and wow :O
In 4 sorties I got 14 kills(stats page says 13?) and died once!
My one death was because I ran into someone while trying to get enough rounds into them to kill them before I pulled up :bhead
I felt like I could do nothing wrong with it.
I just wish it had more ammo/better hitting power
and maybe it is just me but it doesn't feel very stable, when trying to pull lead for the shot the nose seemed like it was bouncing around.
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Did someone pull a finger?
:aok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq9W_TX2NAI
Cool video their Pipz <S> .
@Mitchell , I don't have the bouncing problem but can't seem to get the nose up far enough for a shot sometimes . That and just when the fighting get's good , no ammo , err.
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Come to NZ and buy one.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/aircraft/aircraft/auction-619249372.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/aircraft/aircraft/auction-756266359.htm
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Come to NZ and buy one.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/aircraft/aircraft/auction-756266359.htm
That's wild you can buy one . I really like the skin on this one .
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That's wild you can buy one . I really like the skin on this one .
You made me laugh!
Its a outrage!