Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Wolfala on October 24, 2014, 12:41:55 AM
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Class D airspace, no radar - not that it would've helped. Cirrus was above an R44, instructed not to descend till he was on base. Looks like he descended into the R44 and took out his rotor system. Keep your eyes way out there and give accurate position reports.
http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11975.0;attach=8084 (http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=11975.0;attach=8084)
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Found a 30 minute recording of this and the subsequent radio traffic on Reddit. Hard to listen to, brought back a couple memories for me. The first day of ATC training 21 years ago this month they played us similar recordings of midair collisions and the rattled controllers and a couple with pilot radios being keyed just like in this incident.
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sounds like the people in the plane survived and the ones in the helicopter did not. Very sad :frown:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDy2qI6ZVts
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Midairs scared me more than engine fires.
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Any word on the outcome? I'm sure I can guess, but I'm still hopeful...
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Any word on the outcome? I'm sure I can guess, but I'm still hopeful...
people in plane survived people in helo did not. 3 fatalities.
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Midairs scared me more than engine fires.
Yup. Seems to me, here in NE corridor, that I'm all-too-frequently finding that an enemy plane suddenly materializes not too far away from me. Even with traffic on your GPS, it's often difficult to spot them.
I think of that whenever people complain that the AvA no-enemy-icons settings are unrealistic....
- oldman
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Yup. Seems to me, here in NE corridor, that I'm all-too-frequently finding that an enemy plane suddenly materializes not too far away from me. Even with traffic on your GPS, it's often difficult to spot them.
I think of that whenever people complain that the AvA no-enemy-icons settings are unrealistic....
- oldman
Well said Oldman. Interesting how real life visual acuity compares to low end computers, small monitors, eyeglasses, etc for those who have done both.
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Midairs scared me more than engine fires.
Same here! I have had one close call.
When I was working on my private, we were heading back into the airport descending and another aircraft was leaving the area and climbing but we were in the transition area where people are switching between tower and the practice area freq. But I never saw the aircraft until about 5 seconds away. I immediately threw the throttle in and yanked back on the yoke. We passed over the plane not more than 150ft. My instructor never saw him until after we passed and he asked what that was for I said to him, "did you not see that airplane?"
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Heard on the radio that the plane was equipped with an emergency chute, thus the survivors.
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Who is it screaming on the radio? It sounds like a helicopter engine shutting down in the background.
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Who is it screaming on the radio? It sounds like a helicopter engine shutting down in the background.
That would be the dead helicopter crew.
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That would be the dead helicopter crew.
Chilling.
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The helicopter pilot's brother posted on ATC.
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As awful as this was, like many, and regardless of who was at fault, I was very interested to see the parachute recovery system on the fixed wing plane involved working, and saving lives.
What do you pilots here think about these systems on smaller light aircraft? I realize there is no substitution for experience and consistent observation and other safe flying habits, but in cases where there is lapses in this, or even aircraft engine/control/etc failures, do these systems not represent a really good last resort option? I know if I was to buy and fly in a light aircraft, I wouldn't be objecting to the inclusion of one of these rocket chute deals.
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I'm not opposed to a parachute system but on many light aircraft you're already limited on fuel/pax/baggage due to low gross weights….the parachute system means you have to leave something on the ramp. There is no doubt they can save lives but for me it would be low on the list of things I'd install unless I was doing a type of flying with a very high risk of midair…but even then the Mk I eyeball and your brain are the best tools for staying alive.
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As awful as this was, like many, and regardless of who was at fault, I was very interested to see the parachute recovery system on the fixed wing plane involved working, and saving lives.
What do you pilots here think about these systems on smaller light aircraft? I realize there is no substitution for experience and consistent observation and other safe flying habits, but in cases where there is lapses in this, or even aircraft engine/control/etc failures, do these systems not represent a really good last resort option? I know if I was to buy and fly in a light aircraft, I wouldn't be objecting to the inclusion of one of these rocket chute deals.
I am a Cirrus owner, but payload loss isn't really a consideration. I have 965 useful load, so I can't really get more utility out of it. That said, BRS as a weapon of last resort, that's why it's there if you have the presence of mind to use it. We treat it like an ejection seat with a envelope below 500 being a dead zone in a EFATO.
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Wow that just gave me goosebumps all over, quite chilling to hear
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As awful as this was, like many, and regardless of who was at fault, I was very interested to see the parachute recovery system on the fixed wing plane involved working, and saving lives.
What do you pilots here think about these systems on smaller light aircraft? I realize there is no substitution for experience and consistent observation and other safe flying habits, but in cases where there is lapses in this, or even aircraft engine/control/etc failures, do these systems not represent a really good last resort option? I know if I was to buy and fly in a light aircraft, I wouldn't be objecting to the inclusion of one of these rocket chute deals.
from a few years ago
Argentina RANS 7 Accident and Parachute Deployment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzh0gGj1zog
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I think of that whenever people complain that the AvA no-enemy-icons settings are unrealistic....
I think of it when 2 planes collide in the MA. 1 flies away with zero damage and the other augers in. Now that's a realistic flight model.
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Regardless of how many mates I'd have to kick out onto the tarmac to stay within weight limits, if I buy a light aircraft I'll rather have a parachute like that...
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Thanks Syserror I haven't seen that one before. Pretty amazing how quickly it deployed and in only a few seconds, the remains of the a/c were floating serenely towards the earth. Going from an insane rate of roll with a single wing to floating nose down nice and slow...incredible technology really. I wonder how many lives would be saved if they made these things mandatory for pilots under a certain amount of logged time with light aircraft?