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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: shake307 on October 31, 2014, 02:21:10 PM
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I wouldn't mind seeing a low ENY Volksjager. Just a wish. What do you all think?
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I think this post will have no effect on if they put it in or not.
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I saw one at the Royal Air Force Museum Hendon.
Small little thing,
http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/research/collections/heinkel-he-162a-2/
I think that it could be fun.
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I wouldn't mind seeing a low ENY Volksjager. Just a wish. What do you all think?
It would be nice to have eventually, along with the British Meteor.
ack-ack
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It would be nice to have eventually, along with the British Meteor.
ack-ack
Agree, however, I think about 200 HE-162s went operational during the war. The Meteor - to my knowledge - never did. Isn't there some unspoken/spoken principle that a plane had to be operational during WWII for it to be in the game?
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Agree, however, I think about 200 HE-162s went operational during the war.
There weren't even 200 buld. Current knowledge is that about 170 He-162 had been build in total, with only a small number of them actually becoming operational
The Meteor - to my knowledge - never did. Isn't there some unspoken/spoken principle that a plane had to be operational during WWII for it to be in the game?
The meteor was operational from July 44 on as a V-1 interceptor and in a ground attack role from Jan 45 on.
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There weren't even 200 buld. Current knowledge is that about 170 He-162 had been build in total, with only a small number of them actually becoming operational
The meteor was operational from July 44 on as a V-1 interceptor and in a ground attack role from Jan 45 on.
Thanks for info on Meteor - did not know that (or I did and forgot. Happening a lot lately).
You peaked my curiosity and caused me to go read the intro on the RAF Hendon site:
"As might be expected from such a hurried design the aircraft had unpleasant flying characteristics. Very few He162s were ever encountered in combat. Deliveries began to Luftwaffe units in February 1945 but only two victories were claimed for the type during its short service life and both were unconfirmed."
Question: I going to assume that they is very little recorded in terms flight characteristics for this aircraft. So if HTC decided to go ahead and model this plane how would they do it? were would they start? SWAGS? I wonder how they dealt with it in the past. (I'm sure that the issue has come up in the past in some form or another). :headscratch:
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Started this one a while ago, you can bring it back to life if you want, it won't be a bumb if it's giving info ;)
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361943.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361943.0.html)
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+1 Cool plane. Looks fun.
Add it right after say 6 of the planes we have been all asking for.
Thanks.
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+1 Cool plane. Looks fun.
Add it right after say 6 of the planes we have been all asking for.
Thanks.
Wish there was a "wish List Tracking" database out there.
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Wish there was a "wish List Tracking" database out there.
It's safe to assume that about every plane and most combat vehicles have already been asked for. Repeatedly. :)
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I still miss my A21 and J22 Swedish planes, no one have done that yet :devil
<darn now I did it> :old:
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I still miss my A21 and J22 Swedish planes, no one have done that yet :devil
<darn now I did it> :old:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,169169.0.html
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When we talk numbers weren't only like 13 Ta-152s in service/combat by the end of the war? If so, that would mean the He-162 would make the cut. As for how many perks, the next question is whether or not the perks should reflect the threat posed by the bird, or possibly a new model that would reflect how often one would see the He-162 in real life, which was almost never. If so, it would be perked much higher than the Me-262.
In any case, I would love to this see bird in game. For me the bigger question: If AH has maybe $20,000 in salaries to burn coding and testing to create this cartoon bird should they instead spend that $20,000 on advertising AH? I would MUCH, MUCH rather see our numbers double than another bird in the hangar.
Just my two cents.
boo
:bhead
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So someone managed to ask for half of my wish :)
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Note: They have one of these at Planes of Fame in Chino, California. It is striking how small this bird is. Maybe the size of a Cessna 152 or something. Very, very small.
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When we talk numbers weren't only like 13 Ta-152s in service/combat by the end of the war? If so, that would mean the He-162 would make the cut.
Just think how much simpler these debates would be if HTC, lo, those many years ago, had not succumbed to the desire to include the Ta-152....
- oldman
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Just think how much simpler these debates would be if HTC, lo, those many years ago, had not succumbed to the desire to include the Ta-152....
... or the Ostwind ;)
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Just think how much simpler these debates would be if HTC, lo, those many years ago, had not succumbed to the desire to include the Ta-152....
- oldman
I'm glad they did. Now, to see AH back on the History Channel. That is my He-162 and P-61B all wrapped into one.
Boo
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Aces high on the history channel?
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I'm glad they did. Now, to see AH back on the History Channel. That is my He-162 and P-61B all wrapped into one.
Boo
I wonder if the History Channel (cable/local TV, even radio) works out for AH. We used to run ads on radio (and the web) - return was very poor. I would think that ads in specialty magazines and web sites (even small ones) would be the way to go for a game like AH. One problem is that Ad agents do like them b/c there are too few dollars in it for them.
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History Channel is how I found out about Aces High, so it does work. That is the target area they should start with again (I do not know if they still have an active ad on HC). Discovery Wings, Military Channel, etc., could be expanded upon.
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History Channel is how I found out about Aces High, so it does work.
It only shows it worked indivdually.
The question is, does it work good enough globally, i.e. do you get enough subscribers to pay off the investment in advertising there?
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It only shows it worked indivdually.
The question is, does it work good enough globally, i.e. do you get enough subscribers to pay off the investment in advertising there?
I would be surprised if the answer (to a TV/Cable buy) was yes. First off determining return rates on Tv/Cable/newsprint/direct mail/handout flyers can be hard. The web says that it is better at counting, but not really. You might get a good click through rate number, but what you really need is a good sales rate (and with a subscription product/service) length of use.
When we did a keyword purchase from Google a few years ago, it took us about a day to say "get me the hell out of here". Expensive, very poor leads.
The absolute best feed back all ways came from telemarketing. You could tell down to the second and the penny what level of effort you needed and what the pay back was. (variables: qualified leads, scripts, time of day call, region and oh yea product...)
For a TV buy you generally want a unique phone number or web address (www.htc.com/tv_offer) to measure impact. (unless of course the phone isn't usually ringing at all..., unless you have two ad campaigns running at the same time, I,e, TV buy, radio buy). When you are selling products you should make sure that you have your phones staffed when you run the ads. Not as important for a service. I do not know what the rule of thumb is for on-line subscriptions. (Most TV adds during prime time are really more about Brand Name development - not direct sales. Very quickly, Brands are about developing an implied warranty to maintain market share from current competitors and to establish/maintain a barrier to market entry for want-to-bes. TV ads that sell, at least in the USA, usually run at night/low cost slots and they really are telemarketing firms getting you to call them as opposed to the other way around).
The old rule of thumb rule (old media) was that you need 5 impressions before you had a sale/no sale decision. I've read web guys challenge that. But I think that they are more interested in getting businesses to do web buys as opposed to old media. I think that what is really perhaps going on is that the definition of an impression needs to change.
Very quickly. Old rule: you need to make 5 impressions before a target becomes a customer. (Impressions over 5 have little to no impact.) Why 5? It is based on an analysis of personality types and how people make decisions. Most people need to be exposed to a sales pitch 5 times before they buy. Even people who say that they make decisions on the spot, need about 5 impressions. Very few people make a decision on less than 3 impressions. (If I remember correctly, it is somewhere in the 2% range.) Most ad campaigns only get to people 3 times. (The definition of an impression included leaving a voice mail messages. So if you called someone on the third call and it went to VM, it counted as an impression). So most ad campaigns end before they get to a point were a target might say yes. The problem, especially with TV, with getting to impression 4 and 5 is cost. Getting 1 impression is cheap. 2 not too bad. 3 still probably OK. 4 getting worried. 5 ouch. And you need to do this with enough viewers (targets) to cover your ad cost buy. It is hard.
As an example, think of it this way. You have $xxx to spend, but you need it back in 6 months. If you spent $xxx and got 10 new users at $14.95, that is (14.95 x 10) x 6 = $879. So $879 minus variable cost factors (assume just credit card costs at 2-3% for simplicity) you got around $852. Did your ad campaign cost more than $852?
It is hard.
For small businesses ad campaigns need to be very focused, almost what is termed gorilla in nature. I would find a complementary activity that users might be interested in. I would think that interest in WWII planes, the War, etc would be a good fit. Call up one of those WWII Russian enthusiast plane sites and offer a fixed fee for a banner for a year. I'm sure that they would listen. (Could you guys agree on terms? I do not know).
You could do the same thing for tank museums etc.
When we (family) went to England I found "private" WWII museum after museum, usually run by volunteers all over the place. Talk to them. Web site banners maybe - but more importantly an agreement to place brochures and large format posters within their establishment. Custom posters that say something like "see what it is like to fly these machine at www.htc ) (We went to Tangemere, close to Chichester. http://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/ They had simulators there one of which looked right out of an old version of Aces High http://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/flight-simulators. Maybe sponsor a simulator?!)
What about a small booth at air shows? (BTW, I know that Booths are expensive - you would think so but they are...)
How about posters at small regional airports? To be sure a lot of them might say no, but there is a whole world out there. If there was a downloadable PDF poster in different sizes and languages for players to grab, print out and pin up at their local regional airport how many people would do it? (BTW, on the posters, I would have a few printed out and ready to mail on request because posters with a printed boarder are far more "visible" than posters without them. Most people do not have access to a printer that can print right up to the paper's edge.)
How about Radio Controlled Vehicles? I would think that within an RC Airplane club you are going to have lots of people with a natural fit to Aces High. Here is one http://www.dc-rc.org/ and they have an ad that takes you to http://www.hobbyhangarva.com/. Maybe you could talk to Hobby Hangar and have a joint marketing campaign. I know that they used to (and still may do) sell a really nice model FU4-1D (~$16K with options). Offer their customers who make a purchase a 2 month free subscription.
Go to the manufacture of the F4U and offer the same "bonus coupons" for their customers.
These guys should see you not a competitor but as a compliment to their business.
You want to buy print ads (not a bad idea), go find the RC magazines and ask for rates.
Also, lastly, most business know that the most important customers are their regular ones. With a subscription model, in a sense HTC has to sell us every month. Why the hell do you guys not have a monthly (or quarterly) newsletter? It is nuts not to have one. You guys are about to release to the world a new version of the game and the only people who know about it are users who log on, at the right time, to your web page. Give me a BREAK!!!! :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Newsletters can go to existing as well as old users. They have to be interesting. So maybe instead of listing just the Latest Tour Winners how about a short piece on what planes they got their kills in, made their bomb drops from, etc. You could also feature something about a plane you have just released, an explanation of the different type of Ords to load and why. A write up on KOTH, frames etc. (You guys have a lot of content on your site that is, well sort of hidden, that would make for great copy.)
With a newsletter you need to worry about subscription stuff - Text only user, HTLMx, mobile, large format etc. Purges etc. And there are companies that can help (do not know about cost/effectiveness).
But with a newsletter in our mailboxes, you get to old subscribers, infrequent users (who might just be a keystroke away from becoming an old subscriber), and potentially new customers who get newsletters forward to them.
But anyway, as I was saying - yea the HE-162 would be a fun addition.
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Having done a great deal of marketing, though only an expert by trial and error, targeting marketing will work.
The primary means would be the internet. It can not only be hyper surgical, it also controls for the primary tool necessary to play AH, which is having a computer.
A method that AH could use is to ask their current users to allow AH to use their emails with Facebook. Facebook will go through their data base, match the emails and then almost instantly create a basic profile of Facebook accounts that play AH. AH could then pay to only send ads to those Facebook account holders. This would likely be the best bang for the buck advertising they could do.
The creepy aspect is sharing of Facebook pages. I suspect AH would need to sign a limited disclosure agreement with all of us. I would bet that 70% plus have Facebook accounts.
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Having done a great deal of marketing, though only an expert by trial and error, targeting marketing will work.
The primary means would be the internet. It can not only be hyper surgical, it also controls for the primary tool necessary to play AH, which is having a computer.
A method that AH could use is to ask their current users to allow AH to use their emails with Facebook. Facebook will go through their data base, match the emails and then almost instantly create a basic profile of Facebook accounts that play AH. AH could then pay to only send ads to those Facebook account holders. This would likely be the best bang for the buck advertising they could do.
The creepy aspect is sharing of Facebook pages. I suspect AH would need to sign a limited disclosure agreement with all of us. I would bet that 70% plus have Facebook accounts.
Boo havent you "liked" AH on FB yet? While facebook may target certain people,it would never target me... :uhoh Simply because I dont go on facebook.
Awhile back HTC put an ad on Canadian history channel,during a show called Air Aces. Seems the return wasnt worth it and thats with much cheaper Canadian aire time.
It would seem to me the best thing we as players can do is use the good old word of mouth thing and let people know about the game we all play.
:salute
PS: The 162 should be added just after many others that are more important!
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I think introducing more of the peculiar limited service aircraft and vehicles like the He 162 (i.e. m26 Pershing, Meteor, Sturmtiger, many others etc.) would be important in AH as it would attract many new players to the game. Booku perk points cost of course... <S>
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Biggest problem with the He-162 is the small fuel load - remember it was a launch, make a pass at the bomber stream, and head for home plane. IRL the plane only had a 30-minute fuel capacity, which becomes 15 minutes in the MA at x2 burn. At that rate it is more like the Me-163 - useful maybe for HQ defense, but not really good for general use.
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IRL the plane only had a 30-minute fuel capacity, which becomes 15 minutes in the MA at x2 burn.
Along with the non-existent rear view and rather average armament I'd consider that very short endurance as a very interesting challenge to get most out of it.
Not a priority in anyway, but what makes it interesting in my mind is the fact that it holds couple key advantages over the Me262 (clearly better thrust to weight ratio and much lighter wing loading) while having those significant drawbacks as well.
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The He 162 had fuel for about 50 minutes, at least it was planned to use larger wing tanks to achieve this. The a/c was still in a transition status were lots of changes were incorporated during the initial production ramp-up.
But it had still less fuel per engine than the Me 262.
Also the often claimed 30 min flight time is for low alt where the engine was known to have high fuel consumption (which was lower at higher alts).
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When I was researching for Wings of Power II, I ended up at wikipedia. They even had links to two USAF addresses. Check out our Wikipedia page, it is very well written but, I've never run into links to it from casual sources like WoPII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aces_High_(video_game)
I am beginning to see far fewer WT and WoT adds and popups then a few months back. The ones now are kind of "mehh" in terms of getting you to click on them.
If we have become a bread and circuses culture. Add to that short attention spans. When AH3 goes live, it could well be into an arena where the spectators have forgotten about last weeks hero's WT and WoT.
We are customers, not inside confidants to HiTech's business strategies. Either he knows what he is doing. Or, we find a new game. Do any of you tell your competitors what your next move is just to make less than 5% of your customers happy in the short term?
And the 162, besides killing a few german pilots, did any of them even get shot at or seen by our fighters or bombers? At least the Meteor shot at a few things.
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The He-162 killed a tempest or to and a few spit 16 and later modles iirc
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There weren't even 200 buld. Current knowledge is that about 170 He-162 had been build in total, with only a small number of them actually becoming operational
The meteor was operational from July 44 on as a V-1 interceptor and in a ground attack role from Jan 45 on.
Far more then 200 were built, In fact over 350 "frames" were built; but they lacked engines. Most were operational, the real problem was lack of Jet fuel - in fact an entire squadron was operational, with only 2-3 flying operationally due to fuel shortage.
Same argument goes for the Japanese, the difference is Japan ran out of pilots before it ran out of aircrafts/airframes. In fact thousands of airframes were scrapped when the war ended, most without engines or weapons - on a funny note Japans equal to the "Panther tank" survived the war only because
it lacked any weapons - as for the allies rule on any vehicles with armaments, this particular vehicle was to combat the American "Sherman M4A2" - unfortunately its prototype was never finished when the war ended.
Meteor was used in combat and in squadron strength - Difference is the f7f tigercat, F8F Bearcat were in squadron strength but were not used in combat. Do-335's prototype seen "combat" but was not in operational strength or production and simply a prototype.
As for the He-162, it would be added in game - its the German equal to the La-7 - however a Meteor is still better then both the Me-262 and He-162, not sure why it continues to be ignored.
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Do-335's prototype seen "combat" but was not in operational strength or production and simply a prototype.
The Do 335 never saw combat, it may have flown in combat zones (basically the entire sky over Germany was a combat zone) but it never saw or engaged in any combat.
ack-ack
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The Do 335 never saw combat, it may have flown in combat zones (basically the entire sky over Germany was a combat zone) but it never saw or engaged in any combat.
ack-ack
I think that is why he used quotations when he said "combat" The closest thing I have ever found was anecdotal comments that one may have possibly maybe seen the enemy and ran away.
edit: I still want to fly one in the MA.
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I think that we shouldn't look at production numbers or operational service but what something will bring to Aces High....
Like the Mosquito Mk. XVIII was only built to 35 examples but that squadron sank many U-boats and it would be a great ground attack aircraft in Aces High...
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I think that we shouldn't look at production numbers or operational service but what something will bring to Aces High....
Yep Just needs to be fun. :aok
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I think that we shouldn't look at production numbers or operational service but what something will bring to Aces High....
Like the Mosquito Mk. XVIII was only built to 35 examples but that squadron sank many U-boats and it would be a great ground attack aircraft in Aces High...
So can we have the Ho-229, F8F, F9F, and 162 then?
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I don't know why you guys think late war super planes that little impact on the war is what's gonna bring in new players.
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So can we have the Ho-229, F8F, F9F, and 162 then?
A fantasy plane, planes that never fired a shot in WWII and one with extremely low numbers and next to zero action that will be highly perked. The latter actually has the best justification, though it would be a total waste of resources to add it to the game. I also doubt enough documentations exsits as to its performance for HTC to model it to their standards. The Mosquito XVIII has better justification than all of the above combined and will contribute more to the game. And yet, as much as I would love me a 57mm Mollins totting mossie, I would not rate it as a high priority to the game.
Beaufighter, JU88 varients, He217, SB2C, KI44... and if you want low production numbers, then the "latest" Italian fighters - all would be far better additions.
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The Do 335 never saw combat, it may have flown in combat zones (basically the entire sky over Germany was a combat zone) but it never saw or engaged in any combat.
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pierre clostermann's flight of four Tempest's flying at Tree Top level found and tried to attack a lone Do-335 which reversed course at max speed and escaped; they were unable to catch it or get into a firing position.
Might not be the big "Berlin Raid" in terms of combat, but yeah you can bet that Do-335 pilot was cleaning the cockpit after, it still counts as combat even if it was a prototype (whether armed or not).
I did point out the Do-335 was never in production, and yes from records only one Do-335 was seen flying by an "Ace" - so it does have some credible source; I was just pointing out it wasn't in production so there is no chance for it - let alone squadron strength - and again one prototype.
Whether Pierre is lying I have no idea; there has been some doubts about the claim, although its quite possible since the Do-335 was considerably faster then a Tempest especially with wep on - also given I doubt that Do-335 was fully loaded which would of made it even more faster vs a Tempest thats armed/fueled.
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Didn't the 335 have 3 MkIII 103s ?
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Didn't the 335 have 3 MkIII 103s ?
Yesssssss
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Didn't the 335 have 3 MkIII 103s ?
Was proposed for a projected destroyer variant (B-2), none built.
The few completed A-0 and A-1 had 1 Mk 103 and 2 MG 151/20
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... or the Ostwind ;)
Or the Wirbel
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Okay, I think this is enough. I feel I have committed a grave injustice to other, more important aircraft. A-26 and P-61 come to mind. Two of which rank in my top ten favorites. Heck, I think a Catalina deserves a mention. Somebody earlier in the thread said late war super planes won't get new people, but maybe adding more classics will. I think a seaplane would be tricky, though. I know my aircraft, but not as well as some of you people. I appreciate any feedback, but this was my two cents and I guess an indirect apology for insulting some of the more worthy aircraft. Oh, and the Beaufighter. :aok
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Okay, I think this is enough. I feel I have committed a grave injustice to other, more important aircraft. A-26 and P-61 come to mind. Two of which rank in my top ten favorites. Heck, I think a Catalina deserves a mention. Somebody earlier in the thread said late war super planes won't get new people, but maybe adding more classics will. I think a seaplane would be tricky, though. I know my aircraft, but not as well as some of you people. I appreciate any feedback, but this was my two cents and I guess an indirect apology for insulting some of the more worthy aircraft. Oh, and the Beaufighter. :aok
On behalf of the Beaufighters Anonymous Association (BAA... BAA...!) I accept your apology.
May you live long and prosper.