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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Someguy63 on November 04, 2014, 10:23:22 PM
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I would love to know how to become better at ACM in this thing.
Just the norm, how to gain a shot on a bandit, barrel rolls, just everything in general.
I'm asking this 'cause when I'm flying this plane I often end up getting under high bandits and when they dive on me the only thing I know how to do is:
- Reversals (which I often miss)
-Dive away (which also puts me at a disadvantage to the cons below me)
I also cannot rope people well and come around on them with excessive amounts of rudder w/o stalling out, it's difficult.
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The long wings increase adverse yaw, be sure to use enough rudder for coordination when you roll in and out of turns. You might practice S turns and lazy 8's, alternate wingovers, to get used to the rudder work.
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I would love to know how to become better at ACM in this thing.
Just the norm, how to gain a shot on a bandit, barrel rolls, just everything in general.
I'm asking this 'cause when I'm flying this plane I often end up getting under high bandits and when they dive on me the only thing I know how to do is:
- Reversals (which I often miss)
-Dive away (which also puts me at a disadvantage to the cons below me)
I also cannot rope people well and come around on them with excessive amounts of rudder w/o stalling out, it's difficult.
I have a few films of me flying against higher more maneuverable planes in the MA where I actually flipped the script on them and waxed that arse....I'll narrate over top of them and send them to you....shoot me a PM with an email....Youtube been stupid lately.
Have you figured out when the tail whips out yet?
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As for tail whips keep the ball in between the two lines on the indicator just below the gun site and if you start to lose control make sure you are FULL throttle. It happens easily if you chop power during the top of a loop.
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Thanks so far guys.
To answer your question Junky, no. And PM about to be sent.
And for FLS, what are alternative wing overs?
And wait is this tail whip something bad or what Poison speaks of it as if it can be controlled, which I believe it can...but just want to be assured. :noid
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Thanks so far guys.
To answer your question Junky, no. And PM about to be sent.
And for FLS, what are alternative wing overs?
And wait is this tail whip something bad or what Poison speaks of it as if it can be controlled, which I believe it can...but just want to be assured. :noid
I meant to prevent it. Not usually a good thing unless you want to die looking cool.
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I meant to prevent it. Not usually a good thing unless you want to die looking cool.
Ok
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A wingover is a 180 turn where you climb for the first 90 degrees of turn then descend the second 90 degrees. Alternate left and right wingovers to fly a lazy 8. Here's a link with a full explanation. http://avstop.com/AC/FlightTraingHandbook/lazy8.html It's an exercise that, along with flat S turns, will help you coordinate the rudder with the turn and keep the ball centered in the gauge.
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A wingover is a 180 turn where you climb for the first 90 degrees of turn then descend the second 90 degrees. Alternate left and right wingovers to fly a lazy 8. Here's a link with a full explanation. http://avstop.com/AC/FlightTraingHandbook/lazy8.html It's an exercise that, along with flat S turns, will help you coordinate the rudder with the turn and keep the ball centered in the gauge.
Isn't a lazy 8 high yo yos right and left in a row? I thought a wing over was more like seen here at 2:09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA_7QtXwcSo or would this be considered a hammerhead? I swear I get this stuff confused all the time.
Anarchy, that link is some of my 152 flying prior to a year long vacation from Aces High....
This is a copy of a video I posted with the music removed...sounds weird but flying doesn't change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqO5WjKWW1A&list=UU493AyZRhJFcUVCCAWHZOWQ
Maybe they can show you some things, I'm working on a few films to send to you, probably will take me a few days. :salute
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You might use a wingover for a high yoyo. To me the difference is a yoyo is in reference to a maneuvering bandit, a wingover is a basic maneuver like a loop. The point is to practice adding rudder to your roll to make it a habit you don't have to think about.
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You might use a wingover for a high yoyo. To me the difference is a yoyo is in reference to a maneuvering bandit, a wingover is a basic maneuver like a loop. The point is to practice adding rudder to your roll to make it a habit you don't have to think about.
Makes sense
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Flying the 109 a lot can get you in the habit of doing some funky stuff with the rudder. Like was said, keeping the rudder quieter and staying coordinated helps stave off the nasty spins.
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I would love to know how to become better at ACM in this thing.
Just the norm, how to gain a shot on a bandit, barrel rolls, just everything in general.
Do you understand then, that the slower and wider the barrel the roll, the better it is for a 152 (most the time)? It can be elaborated. The 152 in general doesnt like the super fast rolls you can accomplish in the other 190s, do it fast enough with enough speed and you'll be swapping its nose for its tail.
I'm asking this 'cause when I'm flying this plane I often end up getting under high bandits and when they dive on me the only thing I know how to do is:
- Reversals (which I often miss)
-Dive away (which also puts me at a disadvantage to the cons below me)
I advise trying to never get below 300mph and to learn how to roll the aircraft to present the smallest target profile to your enemy. Surviving the first handful of passes is all you need usually before you and your bandit start equalizing, patience.
I also cannot rope people well and come around on them with excessive amounts of rudder w/o stalling out, it's difficult.
The 152 is just very unstable around its yaw-axis ("tailheavy"). You have to stay fast enough in the vertical (don't get too slow) that you loose too much rudder authority in such vertical maneuvers.
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I always have the same tip for all 190 boys. First, eliminate the rear view from your hat switch. Second, it always best to never exceed 200 mph. Third, never exceed 5, 000 feet. Fourth and most important, always use auto pilot "Level."
:devil
That is all.
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Ok I understand now Junky and FLS.
Babylonian, I understand that thing about the barrel rolls and how it's best to stay above 300mph, but the thing is with high cons on me, they eventually slow down to saddle. When they do this, I'm there trying to keep speed up and when they get on me I can't shake em so I could only dive.
It's mainly a result of me not knowing how to conserve my E in a co-alt and co-E fight, not knowing how to rope w/I giving them a shot, briefly, and my reversal shot set ups suck.
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I also checked the wiki and found the files are not found.
Who's the one who posted those so they can be renewed? :noid
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Do you understand then, that the slower and wider the barrel the roll, the better it is for a 152 (most the time)? It can be elaborated. The 152 in general doesnt like the super fast rolls you can accomplish in the other 190s, do it fast enough with enough speed and you'll be swapping its nose for its tail.
I advise trying to never get below 300mph and to learn how to roll the aircraft to present the smallest target profile to your enemy. Surviving the first handful of passes is all you need usually before you and your bandit start equalizing, patience.
The 152 is just very unstable around its yaw-axis ("tailheavy"). You have to stay fast enough in the vertical (don't get too slow) that you loose too much rudder authority in such vertical maneuvers.
Are you thinking of a different plane? Because what you say is not true at all. In my experience the slower rolls throw the tail out in front more. The 152 excels in the vertical at slow speed. That is what picks out an experienced pilot from one who just decided to take it up for a spin. The rudder authority is very well at stall speeds and should be used to turn around at the top of a rope. For a con on your six your want to get fast so his speed equalizes with yours and then the greater E retention of the 152 kicks in, you can catch him most of the time if he tries to zoom back up.
Anarchy I know you've already seen this video but if you watch the ropes it can help answer some of your questions https://youtube.com/watch?v=OUZQCz5Zp3c
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I also checked the wiki and found the files are not found.
Who's the one who posted those so they can be renewed? :noid
Moot posted those and he is nowhere to be found.
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I'll do a video on the tail slip as well.....it a simple flick that sets it off.
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Are you thinking of a different plane? Because what you say is not true at all. In my experience the slower rolls throw the tail out in front more. The 152 excels in the vertical at slow speed. That is what picks out an experienced pilot from one who just decided to take it up for a spin. The rudder authority is very well at stall speeds and should be used to turn around at the top of a rope. For a con on your six your want to get fast so his speed equalizes with yours and then the greater E retention of the 152 kicks in, you can catch him most of the time if he tries to zoom back up.
Anarchy I know you've already seen this video but if you watch the ropes it can help answer some of your questions https://youtube.com/watch?v=OUZQCz5Zp3c
How and WHY do you shoot out of your cockpit like that.. That's incredible. My forward hat switch is used for those kind of shots. I move my head position all the way up. I did it last week. HUGE help to me.
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He does it as to avoid the cockpit frame from obstructing his view of the con as it's lined up for a shot. Whereas if he were to stay in default view the shot would definitely be more difficult, though not impossible.
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Its a good way to get hard angle shots but it also makes it difficult to predict where they will be in your guns since you don't have a gunsight.
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Its a good way to get hard angle shots but it also makes it difficult to predict where they will be in your guns since you don't have a gunsight.
Unless you put a dot on your screen where the center bore of your gunsight is... When you page up your forward head view the dot you placed on your screen makes up for the lack of gunsight...
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Unless you put a dot on your screen where the center bore of your gunsight is... When you page up your forward head view the dot you placed on your screen makes up for the lack of gunsight...
OMG, I remember doing this back when I used to play Counter Strike. Back than I scratched the crosshair into my old Dell monitor :cool:
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Unless you put a dot on your screen where the center bore of your gunsight is... When you page up your forward head view the dot you placed on your screen makes up for the lack of gunsight...
I guess you could do that, I just think of it as an inch up from the side of the engine on my monitor. Dot on the screen would be too easy :furious
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OMG, I remember doing this back when I used to play Counter Strike. Back than I scratched the crosshair into my old Dell monitor :cool:
I did it in COD for quick scopes :o
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Looks like he is using TR in 6-axis mode. Maybe with the Z axis turned off.
The last two kills were aimed by pushing his head out against the "buldged" canopy and essentially aiming with the MG151\20's tracer stream. Just like many do with the wirble. Never thought about doing it that way since I only use 2-axis mode to inherit my saved head positions from the hps file. You can tell it's TR by the view over his shoulder which can only be accomplished by turning your head that direction while leaning back against the opposite buldged side of the canopy. The view point then looks like he is looking in from the opposite side of his canopy up and over his shoulder. Anyone with TR in 6-axis mode does this.
If you use only the 20mm for snap shots and deflection shooting you will hit more often and not waste the 30mm which he seems to save for 6 shots. He also understood his lead allowance when he made the almost point blank shot on the bottom of his dive leading by only the very bottom of the Revi16D reticle that was showing at the very top of his reflector plate. That nice reticle looked familiar.....
Using only the 20mm your shooting deflection shots should be exactly like any 190. Offline turn on tracers, set the alpha slider all the way to the right to turn off the gunsight in your 190. You will see it's not that hard to shoot using the tracer stream which he had turned on.
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Shameless self promotion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F1yJOzdS8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKHhv7ojLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmZl_FQH4Kk
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Much better to see the actual fight then a compilation of kills imo.
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Much better to see the actual fight then a compilation of kills imo.
There is some in there. Except the second video is all kills. Opinions, everyone's got em.
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There is some in there. Except the second video is all kills. Opinions, everyone's got em.
Not saying its a bad thing but for people to learn from videos it needs to have the entire fight.
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Oh they can learn gunnery. :banana:
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Oh they can learn gunnery. :banana:
Not from External view :neener:
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Uploading a 15 minute clip as I type of some 152 flying.....a few good examples of pushing the TA to the limit. Can't find any good clips of higher cons engaging, I recently cleaned out my Film folder (Too many random 60 minute films) and only kept ones I named specific things. All my fights with higher cons in MA turn into that person running away before they seal their own fate or I forgot to record.
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Nevermind seems like Youtube doesn't like me.....99% uploaded and something happens (uploader broke try again later)
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:cry
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I'll say this....its like every plane, biggest difference it's got a bad stall and it gains a lot of speed in a dive.
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I'll say this....its like every plane, biggest difference it's got a bad stall and it gains a lot of speed in a dive.
And.. A few.. Other things :devil
I'm too tired to elaborate maybe tomorrow.
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:cry
You can watch it here...
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cfcz9zed7noy9tq/TA152_flying_in_Aces_High.mp4