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Title: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Kingpin on November 06, 2014, 06:17:03 PM

The perfect definition of "Freemium games" (and why AH should never go this way -- because AH is already fun).

And they have it exactly right -- especially the "barely fun" part.

1) Make the game barely fun and about waiting (tech grinding).
2) Give the players rewards, fake currency.
3) Train the players to spend fake currency.
4) Give the players a way to buy more fake currency with real money.
5) Make spending real money a way to make the game more fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS4VRbsjZrQ

Funny, but true, and sad, but funny.

<S>
Ryno
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: SysError on November 06, 2014, 07:34:52 PM
 :bolt:
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Gman on November 06, 2014, 09:28:01 PM
"Freemium", Latin for "not really".   Bahaha.

After all these years, South Park can still create original and funny stuff.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Ack-Ack on November 07, 2014, 03:44:08 AM
The nailed the F2P business model perfectly, especially in the mobile game market.

ack-ack
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Rob52240 on November 07, 2014, 11:46:46 AM
(http://i0.wp.com/cdn.bgr.com/2014/11/south-park-freemium.png?w=625)
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Shamus on November 07, 2014, 12:08:09 PM
LOL, "what are you two boners doing" sounds like the flying circus vox channel.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Wiley on November 07, 2014, 12:45:00 PM
(http://i0.wp.com/cdn.bgr.com/2014/11/south-park-freemium.png?w=625)

Sometimes they're a bit heavy handed, but sometimes SP just knocks it right out of the park.

Wiley.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Rich46yo on November 07, 2014, 05:10:17 PM
I wouldnt care what model they used I find neither game fun.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: USCH on November 07, 2014, 05:28:31 PM
The first guy should have patented it and made more cash  :rofl
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Dragon Tamer on November 07, 2014, 05:42:53 PM
Mmmkay

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100106050223/southpark/images/0/0e/MrMackey.jpg)
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: GScholz on November 07, 2014, 05:45:53 PM
Aces High is one of the first "Freemium" or F2P games I know of. Back when it used to have a free 8-player online game mode. Now it's just free offline, and shooting down drones and running offline-mission gets old very fast.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: zack1234 on November 08, 2014, 03:22:07 AM
Warthunder is awesome
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: NatCigg on November 08, 2014, 05:33:37 AM
 :old:
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: bj229r on November 08, 2014, 07:42:30 AM
Saw that episode, was funny as hell :lol
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Brooke on November 14, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
Warthunder is awesome

Its a outrage!
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: narsus on November 15, 2014, 07:37:43 AM
Double post
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: narsus on November 15, 2014, 07:50:51 AM
You're right, paying $15 a month for stagnant gameplay and graphics 10 years old is superior. Of course you do get one vehicle added once every 3 years and unrealistic maps.

Then there are perk points, from HTC's FAQ "You can earn a perk by accumulating Perk Points until you have reached the cost of the perk plane that you want. " Sounds like currency to me.

I like Aces High as much as the next guy, and they received my money and support across two different games for years, but I am not delusional or a fan boy enough to make silly (not always true) claims about other games.

And yes, it was a decent episode of South Park.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Serenity on November 15, 2014, 09:19:54 AM
You're right, paying $15 a month for stagnant gameplay and graphics 10 years old is superior. Of course you do get one vehicle added once every 3 years and unrealistic maps.

Then there are perk points, from HTC's FAQ "You can earn a perk by accumulating Perk Points until you have reached the cost of the perk plane that you want. " Sounds like currency to me.

I like Aces High as much as the next guy, and they received my money and support across two different games for years, but I am not delusional or a fan boy enough to make silly (not always true) claims about other games.

And yes, it was a decent episode of South Park.


If it's that bad, there's the door...

The advantage in AH's system is simple and brilliant: Yes, there IS a subscription fee. This helps keep a bit of the riff-raff out. Not always, but it stops just anyone from coming in and maintaining an account for the sole purpose of trolling the rest of us (Something that DOES happen in the F2P games).

The biggest thing to me, is that it's FAIR. In F2P, it doesn't matter how good at the game you are, if you can throw mommy and daddy's money at it enough, you get the best equipment and all of the advantages that aren't available at all to the rest of the public, or at least take a LOT of work. WoT for example, I spent weeks playing my way up, and after spending a LOT of time learning how things work, and unlocking tanks I got to a point where the ONLY way forward was to spend $40 on a new tank, because the ones you could earn through playing just cannot compete with what everyone else bought. And that's when I walked away and never looked back.

In AH, you can't throw money at it. You can't send HTC cash to get extra 262s or B-29s. Everyone in the game starts with the same possibilities available to them, and the only way to gain an edge (with regard to equipment) is through skill and work, not micro-transactions.
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Lusche on November 15, 2014, 09:37:34 AM
Of course you do get one vehicle added once every 3 years


We got 28 new planes and ground vehicles over the last 5 years.  Statistically spoken that's one every 2.14 months, not counting the completely redesigned ones  :P
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: narsus on November 15, 2014, 01:55:17 PM
I took the door, the game play is tired i was a good player not great but good.

Premium tanks are worse than regular tanks. Something is always wrong with premiums. You just need to learn to play, the point of my post is ah is not perfect far from it. It's no more or less fun than many games out there. 

There is plenty of riff raff in AH, been so for years vulchers, hi dweebs etc.

Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: Lusche on November 15, 2014, 02:04:24 PM
Name the 28 new planes not redesigns, new.


Additions to AH in the past years, starting in March 2010 (so actually even a tad less than 5 years), in order of appearance:

Dr.I
F.2B
F.1
D.VII
M4A3(75)
M4A3(76)W
Mosquito Mk XVI
Panther G
G4M1 Betty
B-29
A6M3
Tiger 2
P-40F
Panzer IV F
P-40N
M-18
Fi 156
Me-410
Ju-87G-2
Sea Hurricane Mk I
He-111
Ki-43-II
Jagdpanzer 38 (t)
Jagdpanzer IV/70
Jagdpanther
Yak-3
Yak-7b
Tu-2S
Title: Re: South Park perfectly defines Warblunder and WoT
Post by: narsus on November 15, 2014, 02:07:20 PM
I stand corrected on the vehicles I stand by the rest.