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Title: Get flying more variety
Post by: Rob52240 on November 07, 2014, 01:22:06 PM
Bustr mentioned that nobody flies the new planes as they get added.  I must agree.

Why not give a different crappy fighter/bomber/gv that hardly gets used a perk multiplier that changes to different planes/vehicles daily?

This could also be applied to be country specific depending on what gets used the least.  

Post the specials of the planes on the welcome clipboard.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Lusche on November 07, 2014, 01:34:02 PM
Bustr mentioned that nobody flies the new planes as they get added.

Where did he say that? Can't imagine he actually did, as it is not true.

Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Rob52240 on November 07, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
Where did he say that? Can't imagine he actually did, as it is not true.



Maybe it was little use.  Either way it would be nice to shoot at a larger variety of rides.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Wiley on November 07, 2014, 02:02:20 PM
Personally I'd rather have people flying rides they're comfortable in and somewhat good in rather than an enemy force that's using the Special Of the Day who have never used it before.

The ENY system already gives a perk bonus for flying the non uber rides.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: morfiend on November 07, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
Personally I'd rather have people flying rides they're comfortable in and somewhat good in rather than an enemy force that's using the Special Of the Day who have never used it before.

The ENY system already gives a perk bonus for flying the non uber rides.

Wiley.



 While I agree with you Wiley,it might be nice to have a plane of the day or week and award extra perks for killing in it or kills of it!  Hey maybe select 2 planes,one for kills of and one for kills with!

  We could have say 50% more perks awarded as an example.  Not sure if it would require too much work to implement or if it would even change anything but so long as it's optional I dont really see a down side.


   :salute
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Wiley on November 07, 2014, 03:01:07 PM


 While I agree with you Wiley,it might be nice to have a plane of the day or week and award extra perks for killing in it or kills of it!  Hey maybe select 2 planes,one for kills of and one for kills with!

  We could have say 50% more perks awarded as an example.  Not sure if it would require too much work to implement or if it would even change anything but so long as it's optional I dont really see a down side.


   :salute

People will always find a downside.  I could easily see feelings of persecution arising as they rotate the +50% for kills of through the 5 ENY birds.  "I'm being penalized for flying my P51/LA7/whatever!"

If 7 perks for a pony kill doesn't get you into a D11, I don't see why 10.5 would. :) :salute

Wiley.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Randy1 on November 07, 2014, 03:31:06 PM
You are wasting your time on this one. 

I would say about 25%(WAG) want to fly the sane plane every sortie with only a few stray ventures from the everyday ride.  Another 25%-40%(WAG) only want a plane that is in the top 5 so they have a performance advantage.  So you have a lot of players who will stand on the cowling and shout don't make me fly what you want me to fly. 

I think it would be cool beans to have one day a month where the late war is closed and one of the other two war arenas open.  It will not happen.  It is just human nature to resist change.

Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: The Fugitive on November 07, 2014, 03:54:07 PM
You are wasting your time on this one. 

I would say about 25%(WAG) want to fly the sane plane every sortie with only a few stray ventures from the everyday ride.  Another 25%-40%(WAG) only want a plane that is in the top 5 so they have a performance advantage.  So you have a lot of players who will stand on the cowling and shout don't make me fly what you want me to fly. 

I think it would be cool beans to have one day a month where the late war is closed and one of the other two war arenas open.  It will not happen.  It is just human nature to resist change.



yes, much like the OP who flies only the D9 these days  :devil
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: perdue3 on November 07, 2014, 03:59:01 PM
Bustr mentioned that nobody flies the new planes as they get added.  I must agree.

Why not give a different crappy fighter/bomber/gv that hardly gets used a perk multiplier that changes to different planes/vehicles daily?

This could also be applied to be country specific depending on what gets used the least.  

Post the specials of the planes on the welcome clipboard.

They are added for different reasons. The Tu-2 adds a dimension to special events. We can now successfully run late war Eastern Front events with the correct bomber (one of them). The Yak-7 adds a mid war Russian bird for mid war events that would have otherwise had mostly American aircraft. The MA is not the only reason aircraft are added.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Lusche on November 07, 2014, 04:07:59 PM
They are added for different reasons. The Tu-2 adds a dimension to special events.


And still turned out to be quite a popular bomber in the MA, especially when ii comes to sinking CV's
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Aspen on November 07, 2014, 04:10:37 PM
+1  having a p39 or (insert plane) bonus perk day/week/tour doesn't take anything away from anyone or force anyone to fly a certain plane.  Might even prompt someone to fly a little more or reignite a desire to play in someone who is getting bored.  I think it would be in HTCs best interest to have something similar to this going on all the time.  Throw something new, but simple in every tour while folks wait on the big stuff like new planes and terrains.  

Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: bustr on November 07, 2014, 04:22:25 PM
Not a bad idea to have the dog plane of the week in the LWMA with a hefty advertised perk reward. Bf109 E week. For landing two kills get 25 perks. Two perks for every additional kill past two. There are well known vets who would clean up but, how lame since many of them already have gazillions of perks.

Yes late nights someone would either have a second PC and vulch themselves on the runway. Or friends would jump country and pad each others perk bank for 262 later in the week. And we know the busybodies who monitor player stats for just such things would be posting a wall of shame in the forums. For some a wall of hero's.

This is almost connecting the dots to why AH doesn't have pay for better rides and mods. Contests in the MA to earn perks or even a trophy at the end of the month. It would become a contest to get away with stealing the outcome rather than earning it the old fashioned way.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Lab Rat 3947 on November 07, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
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I think it would be cool beans to have one day a month where the late war is closed and one of the other two war arenas open.

sounds interesting

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Yes late nights someone would either have a second PC and vulch themselves on the runway. Or friends would jump country and pad each others perk bank for 262 later in the week. And we know the busybodies who monitor player stats for just such things would be posting a wall of shame in the forums. For some a wall of hero's.

This is almost connecting the dots to why AH doesn't have pay for better rides and mods. Contests in the MA to earn perks or even a trophy at the end of the month. It would become a contest to get away with stealing the outcome rather than earning it the old fashioned way.
There will always be those that game the game to win.  :old:

Everyone is here for their own reasons. Some play to win at all costs, some for team effort & tactics. We all have our own reasons.
I only fly P-38s because I wanted to when I was a kid. This is also the only game I play.

just my $0.02


LtngRydr


Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: guncrasher on November 07, 2014, 07:49:44 PM
I got about 8k perks that I earned flying the ponyd at 1 perk for every 20 kills.  if I wanted more perks I would just go to the midwar or ew and use one of the earlier war airplanes and bomb empty fields.  what more incentive than that do you want :).


semp
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Zacherof on November 08, 2014, 01:29:27 AM
Not a bad idea to have the dog plane of the week in the LWMA with a hefty advertised perk reward. Bf109 E week. For landing two kills get 25 perks. Two perks for every additional kill past two. There are well known vets who would clean up but, how lame since many of them already have gazillions of perks.

Yes late nights someone would either have a second PC and vulch themselves on the runway. Or friends would jump country and pad each others perk bank for 262 later in the week. And we know the busybodies who monitor player stats for just such things would be posting a wall of shame in the forums. For some a wall of hero's.

This is almost connecting the dots to why AH doesn't have pay for better rides and mods. Contests in the MA to earn perks or even a trophy at the end of the month. It would become a contest to get away with stealing the outcome rather than earning it the old fashioned way.
them nosey body bored chaps! :old:
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Rob52240 on November 08, 2014, 04:22:31 AM
yes, much like the OP who flies only the D9 these days  :devil

I'm easing my way back into ACM (which I was just starting to get decent at when I left).  While I get re-acclimated to flying I prefer a plane that allows me to dogfight like a wuss and run a lot.

I'll graduate back to the 109 before too long.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: icepac on November 09, 2014, 07:56:24 AM
To fully enjoy the planeset, one has to go beyond doing the same exact mission over and over.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: DevOps on November 10, 2014, 03:48:09 AM


 While I agree with you Wiley,it might be nice to have a plane of the day or week and award extra perks for killing in it or kills of it!  Hey maybe select 2 planes,one for kills of and one for kills with!

  We could have say 50% more perks awarded as an example.  Not sure if it would require too much work to implement or if it would even change anything but so long as it's optional I dont really see a down side.


   :salute

Lets expand on this idea a bit. Give those 50% extra perks to the planes that are having their 'birthday'. The week of the date the plane entered service, or first saw combat. Add a little more history to the game.

The crap part of that idea is I would hate to be the one that would have to go back through the code and set up those dates after researching them.

Might be better to adjust perks at the end of the month for kills in that plane. Won't have to modify the game, but write an app to update the pilots database.

My .02
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Rob52240 on November 10, 2014, 08:38:45 AM
I was only suggesting incentive-izing planes that don't get much use.  Maybe add an extra bonus if a player can get a buddy to launch 2 planes that don't get used much at the same time.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: Randy1 on November 10, 2014, 02:08:05 PM
I was only suggesting incentive-izing planes that don't get much use.  Maybe add an extra bonus if a player can get a buddy to launch 2 planes that don't get used much at the same time.

I agree on what you are trying to do.  Nobody has come up with a good way to do that and make everybody happy.

I suspect, the avg ENY value of planes flown in AH has shown a continual decline in last couple of years.  Kind of a one ups man kind of thing.  May just seem that way.
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: morfiend on November 10, 2014, 04:51:46 PM
Lets expand on this idea a bit. Give those 50% extra perks to the planes that are having their 'birthday'. The week of the date the plane entered service, or first saw combat. Add a little more history to the game.

The crap part of that idea is I would hate to be the one that would have to go back through the code and set up those dates after researching them.

Might be better to adjust perks at the end of the month for kills in that plane. Won't have to modify the game, but write an app to update the pilots database.

My .02



  I'm not sure how much work it would be either but my idea was to adjust the perk modifier for a certain plane,maybe once a week or a month. those are the small details,the idea is to promote the use of otherwise unused A/C.

  Say as example we use the 109E,HTC could add an extra perk modifier for that plane on top of the existing formula. And they could do an inverse,select the La7 as an example and a kill of the La would give a player an extra perk modifier.

  This wouldnt penalize a player for flying the La7,although it may paint a large target on him,and it would force a player to fly a certain plane either.

  Other than the extra work to implement,I dont see a downside and just maybe it might encourage a player to try a plane they wouldnt normally fly because of the "extras" they might get from a kill.



  YMMV.



   :salute 
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: bustr on November 11, 2014, 06:52:26 PM
When you look at the choice of rides, and the player numbers in arenas. All the people are in the LWMA with all of the rides from the two other arena included. And the majority of players who are not muppets or similar minded and skilled creatures. Want speed to run away at will and firepower to leverage that speed in the hopes of killing you by a blindside and running away with that kill.

The few times the LWMA has been closed for an evening. You saw exactly this rule in place with the available rides in the next level of arena down. But, it only works once in a blue moon and at most, for 24 hours. ENY makes players log off in the LWMA when the available rides are all the dogs you gents are talking about in this post.

In the LWMA if you induced numbers of players into dog rides. Most of those players would be vets who have no emotional survival issues about the speed and fire power of rides. This is why I mentioned the ride elections were failures and that players were choosing rides for the wrong reasons. In the MA many of those elected rides don't get used much. Especially since the majority of the voters were responding to a MOTD poll to vote and never came to the forums to learn about the rides in question.

How many of those players who never come to the forums had any clue what G.55 meant or were motivated to google it? The majority recognized a small number of planes because we all watch the Discovery and History channels. They voted for what they had limited knowledge of.

Consider if the MOTD had quick info with a picture to have given the voters a more MA oriented informed choice. The G.55 would have made it in a long time ago because it would say 3-20mm cannons and speed with a cool evil picture........... :t
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: caldera on November 11, 2014, 07:01:13 PM
Didn't read every post here, but it would be fun to have a "Perk Bonus Ride of the Day" - one that would be chosen from planes 30 ENY and up, that would give you double perks for every kill in that plane.

Also "Target for Today" - get triple perks for killing the designated target ride, which would be chosen from the most popular planes.

Kill the "Target for Today" with the "Perk Bonus Ride of the Day" and get an achievement: "Pwnage"
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: morfiend on November 12, 2014, 05:31:20 PM
Didn't read every post here, but it would be fun to have a "Perk Bonus Ride of the Day" - one that would be chosen from planes 30 ENY and up, that would give you double perks for every kill in that plane.

Also "Target for Today" - get triple perks for killing the designated target ride, which would be chosen from the most popular planes.

Kill the "Target for Today" with the "Perk Bonus Ride of the Day" and get an achievement: "Pwnage"


  This is exactly what I had in mind! :aok




    :salute
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: The Fugitive on November 12, 2014, 06:16:26 PM

  This is exactly what I had in mind! :aok




    :salute

Well then that is what you should have said!




Darn canadian fans, they never know which end is up!  :devil
Title: Re: Get flying more variety
Post by: morfiend on November 12, 2014, 06:38:52 PM
Well then that is what you should have said!




Darn canadian fans, they never know which end is up!  :devil



   Well I do know the Habs are "UP" above the bruins in the standings....... :devil




   Oh and I did say that,just not as clear as Caldera did!





     :salute