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Greets all,
I've been a "jughead" well... forever.. but I got bored the other mornin & flew the A8.. with the "bottom gun package".. the 4 20mm's i think it is..
(30mm's & I just don't get along that well..) .. I was shocked at how well the thing flew.. & how hard those guns hit compared to the 8 .50cals I normally fly..
I'd had heard that of all the 190's, the A8 was the worst.. but I like the way it B&Z's & also it's low level flyin.. it seems to me if it's has just enough fuel & is light & nimble, it's a force to be reckoned with.. kind of like the Jug..
So I'm lookin for some tips on the 190A8.. I have noticed that it's a 'hunter', not really a 'fighter'.. it can fight if its fast.. but if its fighting, it doesn't stay fast for long..
Thanx in advance.. <S>
Wrngway
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don't let save see this post.. :lol
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FW190a5 is better.
It's faster
It's lighter
It turns tighter
It climbs faster
It flies higher
It hits as hard (just not as long)
It dives as fast
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A5 if you want to furball
A8 if you want to BnZ the furball :t
I've had great fights in both. The A8 is more forgiving as long as you keep your speed up in my mind. That and compared to the A5 (assuming you take the 2 gun package) all you need is guns on for a second to either kill them outright or maim them enough to rtb or get picked off by a friendly. I agree, it can get down and dirty. I remember one sortie having a great low level fight with a La-7. We traded blows multiple times before he went under. I barely made it back to base with the damage, but it was a great fight.
A5 definitely more forgiving in the traditional dogfighting roll, but again assuming 2 gun, takes a bit more to knock down others unless you place your shots really well.
Again this all from my personal experience with both.
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A5 if you want to furball
A8 if you want to BnZ the furball
Agreed.
I've been doing A8 penance, lo, these many years. In a 1 v 1 fight I have yet to figure out how to consistently win with it (assuming I don't simply HO the opponent). Odd, because it was supposed to be a pretty fearsome opponent in 1944.
So far as I know, the 4x20mm was by far the most common armament. I've never even tried anything else.
- oldman
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don't let save see this post.. :lol
:D
The A8 can be successful in the MA as some good players demonstrate. It just takes very smart flying and a specialized style. Like all 190s it excels when flown with wingmen and not so much in a fair duel. Save and Kovel are expert A8 fliers with different styles. Save usually take the 4 20mm and Kovel is quite impressive with 30mm on board.
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In a 1 v 1 fight I have yet to figure out how to consistently win with it (assuming I don't simply HO the opponent). Odd, because it was supposed to be a pretty fearsome opponent in 1944.
There's your problem.
The 190A-8 is one of the few planes suited for winning head-ons on a consistent basis. That's what was fearsome about it - it was a purely offensive plane that outgunned its opponents severely with tons of armor. Take away the threat of it hitting you front-quarter and it's a fairly unthreatening opponent.
The A8 is one of the worst turning planes in the game (I think it's #2 or #3 in terms of poor performance). Unless you're faster than the plane you're fighting, you have no hopes of winning a 1v1, given both planes are flown as they should be by equally-skilled pilots
The HO minimizes the advantage of faster aircraft (most all of which are also more maneuverable) and maximizes your angular gains during the merge and remerges. The plane was quite literally designed for this tactic, use it to your advantage.
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A5 is the best of the 190s. Any one of them flown by an experten makes life difficult for any other bird.
The key is to know the intent of the designer, Kurt Tank. His philosophy was high speed passes, heavy guns that delivered a devastating fire in a short pass, move on. It was designed for boom and zoom. The A8 was the natural progression of this thought, certainly with the 30mm package.
They key is to keep your speed up, with lots of speed in the bank (ie, altitude). Don't turn with anyone, use the WEP thoughtfully. If you get in trouble point your nose down, build up speed and use your roll rate to get the bad guy to overshoot. Also, know the planes you are fighting against. Extreme examples, the A6M5 and 109, both go into compression lock at higher speeds. As they get into compression lock, their ability to roll with you goes to almost nil. Use that against them.
The reason many sticks use the A5 is due to the nature of the MA, where you end up on the deck stall fighting. It outperforms the other 190s, though some like Poison will insist the Ta-152 is the best Butcher Bird in that arena.
The zen of Butcher Bird flying is squad tactics, with 2 or 4 of you. Flown well you will eat everyones lunch.
boo
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Stay high and fast, use it primarily for Bomber interception don't even try to dog fight in this plane. Quick swoops for shots and away you go is how to fly it.
And as skyyr said, which I hate to admit, but HOing is a viable tactic for this plane. Whenever I get mad at HOers, I up this plane and go on HOing rampages to retaliate. That can be quite fun!
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Greets all,
I've been a "jughead" well... forever.. but I got bored the other mornin & flew the A8.. with the "bottom gun package".. the 4 20mm's i think it is..
(30mm's & I just don't get along that well..) .. I was shocked at how well the thing flew.. & how hard those guns hit compared to the 8 .50cals I normally fly..
I'd had heard that of all the 190's, the A8 was the worst.. but I like the way it B&Z's & also it's low level flyin.. it seems to me if it's has just enough fuel & is light & nimble, it's a force to be reckoned with.. kind of like the Jug..
So I'm lookin for some tips on the 190A8.. I have noticed that it's a 'hunter', not really a 'fighter'.. it can fight if its fast.. but if its fighting, it doesn't stay fast for long..
Thanx in advance.. <S>
Wrngway
Oh great....now i got to dodge your taters Wrngway :bhead
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I tried out the A5 last night for the first time....MAN !!!!! :rock WHAT A PLANE ILL TELL YOU!
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I tried out the A5 last night for the first time....MAN !!!!! :rock WHAT A PLANE ILL TELL YOU!
I can't hit anything with that POS German crap...
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I can't hit anything with that POS German crap...
You take that back.
You take that back right now.
Then you apologize.
Then you promise never to say it again.
Right NOW young man!
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I can't hit anything with that POS German crap...
Did you go 4 gun or 2? ;)
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There's your problem.
The 190A-8 is one of the few planes suited for winning head-ons on a consistent basis. That's what was fearsome about it - it was a purely offensive plane that outgunned its opponents severely with tons of armor. Take away the threat of it hitting you front-quarter and it's a fairly unthreatening opponent.
The A8 is one of the worst turning planes in the game (I think it's #2 or #3 in terms of poor performance). Unless you're faster than the plane you're fighting, you have no hopes of winning a 1v1, given both planes are flown as they should be by equally-skilled pilots
The HO minimizes the advantage of faster aircraft (most all of which are also more maneuverable) and maximizes your angular gains during the merge and remerges. The plane was quite literally designed for this tactic, use it to your advantage.
While I have to admit it goes against my 'Code of Valor' :airplane: I like the way you think Sir.. :salute
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FW190a5 is better.
It's faster
It's lighter
It turns tighter
It climbs faster
It flies higher
It hits as hard (just not as long)
It dives as fast
Yeah & I do know all of this about the A5 vs. the A8.. not to mention the D9..
there was something about it.. <SHRUG>..
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Oh great....now i got to dodge your taters Wrngway :bhead
in other words, you wouldn't normally look for me in this bird.. :eek:
but no worries as I still can't hit the ground while diving at it.. :uhoh
DISCLAIMER: mBailey is responsible for all beer tabs, gambling expenses, & bail money due to responding to my post..
:salute Bruh!!
Wrngway
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The plane was quite literally designed for this tactic, use it to your advantage.
Thanks, but I'm afraid it isn't in my genes. I'm content to continue the Great Experiment.
- oldman
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I'm not an expert on the ballistics of the German 20mm though the round is slower than the Limey Hispano, and certainly the Amerikan 50 cal. The 50 cal shoots almost like a laser, very fast round, point and shoot. The Hispano seems close to the 50 cal. The German round is the slowest of the three. This means, give it more lead than you would a 50 cal, a fair amount more lead.
I would suggest going off-line and practice making slashing attacks on the drones. Make steep dives, which will be the best way to simulate a short, 'one second on target' pass. You'll soon get the hang of it, which will make a big difference in the MA.
boo
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Whenever I get mad at HOers, I up this plane and go on HOing rampages to retaliate. That can be quite fun!
LOL, I've done this too! The A-8 makes things go "boom".
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I would suggest going off-line and practice making slashing attacks on the drones. Make steep dives, which will be the best way to simulate a short, 'one second on target' pass. You'll soon get the hang of it, which will make a big difference in the MA.
boo
That helped a lot! thanx ..
ok, one thing i've noticed is if I'm in this plane, & get close enuff for them to realize it's an A8 before I shoot, I miss, they're evading everytime.. (as I would also..not complaining just pointing it out..) so in a weird sort of way, even though they know you're there, you've got to fly in a way where they don't see you coming.. which is weird for me..
Its no secret I'm a Jug Head, & the Jug well, it's just not a subtle plane.. it's in there & either you're dead or I am.. but after flyin this A8 for a 2 weeks or so, maybe I was flyin the Jug, (or any plane) all wrong to start with..
still flyin & fryin & havin fun.. but now I find myself going back & forth tween the Jug & the A8.. like I can't make up my mind.. oh well..
thanx for the replies Gents.. <S>
Wrngway
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don't let save see this post.. :lol
Huzzah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am going to PM him! :old:
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Whats this advice? No "hero" flying in the 190a8? Its a outrage! :old:
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That helped a lot! thanx ..
ok, one thing i've noticed is if I'm in this plane, & get close enuff for them to realize it's an A8 before I shoot, I miss, they're evading everytime.. (as I would also..not complaining just pointing it out..) so in a weird sort of way, even though they know you're there, you've got to fly in a way where they don't see you coming.. which is weird for me..
Its no secret I'm a Jug Head, & the Jug well, it's just not a subtle plane.. it's in there & either you're dead or I am.. but after flyin this A8 for a 2 weeks or so, maybe I was flyin the Jug, (or any plane) all wrong to start with..
still flyin & fryin & havin fun.. but now I find myself going back & forth tween the Jug & the A8.. like I can't make up my mind.. oh well..
thanx for the replies Gents.. <S>
Wrngway
Now you've got the right idea ! :devil
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Thanks to Pipz I give my advice on the A8, and comparison vs the A5 :D
A5
It's faster - wrong, the A8 is faster at the deck ,spit16 have same speed as A5, A8 is faster
It's lighter - yes
It turns tighter -yes, its biggest advantage, also a more abrupt snap-roll in stall than the A8.
It climbs faster - yes, not by much though
It flies higher - both planes are dead ducks above 21k
It hits as hard (just not as long) -dead wrong
It dives as fast -correct
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It get's pilot wounds from front and rear - A8 don't get anything of those compared, much armor
It lose speed slower - A8 can use that to its advantage, curving inside with slower speed.
It's much worse buffkiller - not only does it take eons to down a b17, also very vulnerable to counter-fire
It has worse range, and with etc mounted a yak3/spit16 catches it, A8 not, A8 has aux tank for extra endurance in its airframe.
A5 best feature is it's sexy winter camouflage skin. :cheers:
Kovel's and my way of flying differs mostly from gunnery range and arnament.
I shoot at range, Kovel close in and chew them up with 30mms, both use high closure rate.
fighter to fighter snapshots is easier with 4*20mm, buff-hunting is easy with the 30mm on board.
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Thanks to Pipz I give my advice on the A8, and comparison vs the A5 :D
A5
It's faster - wrong, the A8 is faster at the deck ,spit16 have same speed as A5, A8 is faster
It's lighter - yes
It turns tighter -yes, its biggest advantage, also a more abrupt snap-roll in stall than the A8.
It climbs faster - yes, not by much though
It flies higher - both planes are dead ducks above 21k
It hits as hard (just not as long) -dead wrong
It dives as fast -correct
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It get's pilot wounds from front and rear - A8 don't get anything of those compared, much armor
It lose speed slower - A8 can use that to its advantage, curving inside with slower speed.
It's much worse buffkiller - not only does it take eons to down a b17, also very vulnerable to counter-fire
It has worse range, and with etc mounted a yak3/spit16 catches it, A8 not, A8 has aux tank for extra endurance in its airframe.
A5 best feature is it's sexy winter camouflage skin. :cheers:
Kovel's and my way of flying differs mostly from gunnery range and arnament.
I shoot at range, Kovel close in and chew them up with 30mms, both use high closure rate.
fighter to fighter snapshots is easier with 4*20mm, buff-hunting is easy with the 30mm on board.
Thanx for the Info Save.. :salute
I love the 4-20mm's, they just seem good for everything.. but especially gettin someone's attention.. when they get hit by even a glancing shot, they know it..
but "leading @ speed" is tuff.. I'm used to the .50's lazer like bullets, & gettin an angle, & then a shot with enough lead.. well, it's a new thang for me.. :x
I still love my Jug, but I'm really startin to love the A8.. :D
:salute .. Wrngway
P.S. you're absolutely right about the winter skin for the A5.. best skin on a plane in the game.. :cheers:
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A8 was the first plane I did consistently well in, largely because it made up for two of my deficiencies. It had decent armor for when I made a mistake, and the 4x20's made up for the fact that I couldn't hit much of anything. Of course it excels at BnZ, but I've flown it while employing slashing tactics (zipping through the furball and firing at anything that crossed my nose, then hi yo-yo or chandelle and repeat).
The important thing to remember is that while the Dora and the A5 are scalpels, the A8 is a sledgehammer. It's heavy, it's hard to get it to change direction, and it hits with a lot of blunt force trauma. The major drawback is you don't have the A5's nimbleness or the Dora's speed and climbing ability, so getting out of a jam is a lot harder. You have to be a bit more of an opportunist in the A8, because if a decent pilot in a fast bird latches on to you, you will have a hard time shaking him off.