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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: 1Cane on December 05, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
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Tonight on the Compello map.
I observed a dar lift from airfield 59 it preceded east until sector 8-20, there was a red line indicating that the aircraft was off the map. This disappeared and when it reappeared it was opposite the AAA strat at 22,000 feet sector 10-20. My question is how can an aircraft go off the map and leave no dar for over a full sector and then reappear at 22,000 feet lined up on its target? :joystick:
Is this a defect or just somebody taking advantage of the weakness in the radar coverage?
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On the same map I upped to stop bombers inbound to the strategic targets, the bombers were triggering the normal dar bar and as I approached I could see they were TU-2's, somewhere around 14, 16k. Cane might have been observing my same sortie; it was in the exact location he described. To run from me the pilot turned North which led us outside the boundaries of the map. We exchanged fire with no apparent damage to either of us. Eventually I emptied my magazines, I was flying a P-47M. Some of my shots were at unbelievably close range and I began to suspect that these bombers were invincible. I started recording and captured a series of non-impact collisions in which I flew the jug repeatedly through the Tu's. The bomber pilot essentially ignored me and turned toward the strat. As we crossed into the map, my wing brushed the bombers and for the first time I heard a collision sound. I withdrew for fear the bombers still had ammunition and landed damaged with some missing control surfaces. I saved the recording.
I then tried the same "glitch" at another map that I won't reveal and was promptly hunted and shot down. So not only does this glitch exist, but it is clearly possible to have it eliminated from the maps.
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On the same map I upped to stop bombers inbound to the strategic targets, the bombers were triggering the normal dar bar and as I approached I could see they were TU-2's, somewhere around 14, 16k. Cane might have been observing my same sortie; it was in the exact location he described. To run from me the pilot turned North which led us outside the boundaries of the map. We exchanged fire with no apparent damage to either of us. Eventually I emptied my magazines, I was flying a P-47M. Some of my shots were at unbelievably close range and I began to suspect that these bombers were invincible. I started recording and captured a series of non-impact collisions in which I flew the jug repeatedly through the Tu's. The bomber pilot essentially ignored me and turned toward the strat. As we crossed into the map, my wing brushed the bombers and for the first time I heard a collision sound. I withdrew for fear the bombers still had ammunition and landed damaged with some missing control surfaces. I saved the recording.
I then tried the same "glitch" at another map that I won't reveal and was promptly hunted and shot down. So not only does this glitch exist, but it is clearly possible to have it eliminated from the maps.
That was last night. You were easy to hunt because the map on the clipboard is cut prematurely on the south side. After you hit the city you were off the east side of the map and showing a red arrow. The arrow stayed on the east side of the map all the way to the bottom corner then you turned west and created a red sector counter. The south edge of the clipboard map ends a few miles north of the south edge of the most southern row of sectors.
After you flew off map south to the SE corner and turned East, you thought you were still off the map. I hunted you where the clipboard map ends but the game map sector exists.
(http://s22.postimg.org/ohn2f4qs1/Map_Edges.jpg)
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If that is indeed the case then the situation bears further investigation, as the implication is that the glitch may exist on all maps. One clue is being to recognize hit flashes on the opponents airplane.
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This may occur when someone goes NOE below either 200 or 60 feet while "off map".
I've seen them come back on map, climb, and not generate darbar or a dot for a long time.
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NOE planes flying off map generate no Arrow.
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The topic of the original post which, as a bug report, has gone unaddressed for a week now - was about bombers disappearing and then reappearing at 22000 feet. NOE stands for uNder twO hundred fEet and we know this because when we fly at the nap of the Earth and that Earth is more than 200 feet above the ocean, we show dar bar. It is for this reason that it is impossible to fly NOE because the terrain rises steeply from field 59 on the Compello map and even if the bombers climbed from a NOE location off the map, there is no accounting for how this con can reappear at 22,000 feet.
I believe the ghost plane glitch is related to the invisibility glitch because they happened on the same map, in exactly the same location and similar if not identical conditions and that it is an even more profound glitch than dar invisibility. We can learn something from the fact that this bug report has not been addressed by AH staff since other posts about the pilot wound randomizer have been moved from the Bug Report forum to the Help and Training forum. Obviously this topic is valid, if not hot.
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Under radar is currently 65Ft AGL in MA IIRC. Was 200 for many years.
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Under radar is currently 65Ft AGL in MA IIRC. Was 200 for many years.
Arrows and Sector Counters indicate planes flying above 200' AGL
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Arrows and Sector Counters indicate planes flying above 200' AGL
250 AGL.
And for the record, before the radar altitudes were lowered to 65/250, they had been both at 500'.
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Try out flying off map, going noe, and returning to map and climbing.
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The original post had nothing to do with NOE! The aircraft were leaving a radar signature disappeared off the map and reappeared two sectors later at 22 K.
If you can find an NOE signature here please explain it to me! :bhead
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And you're not getting it.
Fly off map, descend to below radar height, return to map, and climb free of dar dot and dar bar........all the way to 30,000 feet.......bomb the enemy and befuddle them with no dar bar or dot.
It doesn't always happen but I've proven the theory to myself.
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The original post had nothing to do with NOE! The aircraft were leaving a radar signature disappeared off the map and reappeared two sectors later at 22 K.
If you can find an NOE signature here please explain it to me!
Field 59 at Compello is at the coast, behind which is a fairly steep rise to the first strategic target at 14,000'. The rise is so steep that if you approach 59 in NOE conditions, then pop at the coast, it is difficult to make a straight climb to the strat. The implication is that these bombers lifted from an enemy held 59 and turned east, generated dar bar as they started to climb over the lowlands, then turned further north, off the map; where they stopped triggering dar bar. If he did not know about the invincible zone, the pilot could still drop to the water and establish NOE. Climbing east from there, it would be impossible to tell if the suddenly appearing dar bar was a consequence of NOE or off map flying.
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Field 59 at Compello is at the coast, behind which is a fairly steep rise to the first strategic target at 14,000'. The rise is so steep that if you approach 59 in NOE conditions, then pop at the coast, it is difficult to make a straight climb to the strat. The implication is that these bombers lifted from an enemy held 59 and turned east, generated dar bar as they started to climb over the lowlands, then turned further north, off the map; where they stopped triggering dar bar. If he did not know about the invincible zone, the pilot could still drop to the water and establish NOE. Climbing east from there, it would be impossible to tell if the suddenly appearing dar bar was a consequence of NOE or off map flying.
Something to consider...Terrain doesn't have to be below you to stay off radar. You can hug the side of steep terrain too. For example, a gradual climb with the terrain close beside you. I have done this in a fighter and single mossie, maybe a bomber pilot can share how well this works for them.
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Terrain doesn't have to be below you to stay off radar.
Fewer than 251' have to be between you and sea level to not trigger dar bar. Terrain is inconsequential. If you believe otherwise than you need to investigate further. I do not believe Cane intended to foster a discussion about dar conditions in this bug report either.
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Fewer than 251' have to be between you and sea level to not trigger dar bar. Terrain is inconsequential. If you believe otherwise than you need to investigate further. I do not believe Cane intended to foster a discussion about dar conditions in this bug report either.
Assuming there is a bug.
Aarque is dead wrong about having to be near sea level to stay off the radar. It's AGL not ASL for sector counters and radar dots.
Drane has an excellent point. I always go NOE to the strats and have no problems climbing tall mountains NOE most of the time. I just use the terrain to my advantage.
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Assuming there is a bug.
Aarque is dead wrong about having to be near sea level to stay off the radar. It's AGL not ASL for sector counters and radar dots.
Drane has an excellent point. I always go NOE to the strats and have no problems climbing tall mountains NOE most of the time. I just use the terrain to my advantage.
My question is do you appear over the strats at 22,000 feet?
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My question is do you appear over the strats at 22,000 feet?
No I have to climb to get that high.
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Clearly it has been decided that this condition will not be addressed as a bug. I don't know how long you have been flying AH before discovering this particular facet of the game Cane, but I suspect it has been a bit longer than Rob52240 has been enjoying his elevated "NOE" flying.
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Clearly it has been decided that this condition will not be addressed as a bug. I don't know how long you have been flying AH before discovering this particular facet of the game Cane, but I suspect it has been a bit longer than Rob52240 has been enjoying his elevated "NOE" flying.
NOE is not elevated Aarque. All NOE flying is done at or below 200' AGL.
I do use terrain to climb, most mountains can be traversed with bombers in such a manner that NOE is maintained.
Clearly you are an imbecile who makes baseless allegations.
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On the Compello map, if you fly south or north off of the map, you will not leave a dar signature where you are located. Your dar signature or arrow will show on the corresponding grid square on the other side of the map. For example, if you are flying two sectors south on the map, your dar bar will show up two sectors down from the north side of the map. I have screen shots to further explain but do not handle computers enough to figure out how to post them. I will be emailing them to a squaddie so that he can do it.
Muttman
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I have screen shots to further explain but do not handle computers enough to figure out how to post them.
Screen shots can be attached in this Bug Report forum, click "Additional Options" below the text input box
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Screen shots can be attached in this Bug Report forum, click "Additional Options" below the text input box
Here is my squad mate chasing 40k Rook B-29's dar bar showing for both while on the South end of Compello map .
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss219_zps92947279.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss219_zps92947279.png.html)
40k Rook B-29's fly off Southern end of map enemy dar bar is now gone & no red arrow to show enemy off map. Squad mate still on map friendly dar bar showing still.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss220_zpsf617d895.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss220_zpsf617d895.png.html)
Squad mate fly's off Southern end of map friendly dar bar is gone & no green arrow showing friendly off map.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss222_zps24ccd518.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss222_zps24ccd518.png.html)
Now go to the very top of the map & on the same vertical grid line & 40k Rook B-29's dar bar shows & is now flying in Knight air space & green arrow for squad mate now shows in Knight airspace as well.
(http://i1002.photobucket.com/albums/af142/barneybolac/ahss221_zpsfc127442.png) (http://s1002.photobucket.com/user/barneybolac/media/ahss221_zpsfc127442.png.html)
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film of what happens when you find them
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film of what happens when you find them
Some squad mates have filmed this.
Bullets pass through no damage when off map.
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yeah.......I posted the film of it happening above.