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Title: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Nefarious on December 08, 2014, 11:06:14 AM
I am considering turning it on for the 2015 Combat Challenge.

There area few pros and cons for the idea. Please discuss. What do you think about Killshooter for CC?
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Zoney on December 08, 2014, 11:39:37 AM
I would like to see killshooter turned on.  We all can make mistakes but a mistake from one of my countrymen should not cost me the life.  I am not 100% for Killshooter being on however, more like 60/40.

I'll tell you what I am at 100% on, YOU, making this thing up and making it work and making it quite possibly the most fun thing the game has going.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Wiley on December 08, 2014, 04:36:59 PM
Kind of a tough call.  Personally I think having it on makes more sense.  Each player is in control of his own trigger finger, and others shouldn't pay for the lack of fire discipline. 

I get that it could lead to people being super-aggressive because they're not going to get shot down if they jump in front of you, but I think that is less of an issue than spray and pray knocking friendlies down.

Forgive my lack of knowledge, but was there a tally of the number of FF incidents throughout the CC this year?  Are you asking because you felt the number was too high?

Wiley.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: dogtag380 on December 08, 2014, 04:55:31 PM
This is a tough call.  I like the "realism" factor of having to be careful and not shooting down a friendly.  I would feel worse if I shot down a teammate than if I just killshot myself.

The only time kill shooter is really appropriate is when players purposefully try to shoot down their own teamates, such as xPoisonx did during the last CC frame.  He switched sides and purposfully shot at freindlies.  It's tough to stop that, so it turned many of us trying to shoot him down so that he would stop killing us. :mad:  Going forward, we'll just have to report suspicious activity quickly and hopefully the CM can boot any purposeful offenders.  Players who intentionally shoot teammates should be banned from participation in future events. 

If I had to pick I would say leave kill shooter off.  It's just one more reason Combat Challenges are special and different from the MA. 

 :salute
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Zoney on December 08, 2014, 05:08:08 PM

The only time kill shooter is really appropriate is when players purposefully try to shoot down their own teamates, such as xPoisonx did during the last CC frame.  He switched sides and purposfully shot at freindlies.  It's tough to stop that, so it turned many of us trying to shoot him down so that he would stop killing us. :mad: 

 :salute

Please tell me you are joking dogtag.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: dogtag380 on December 08, 2014, 05:13:05 PM
Wish I was.  I believe nef handled it quickly and booted him... either that or he quit and didn't come back.  But it was a sour note in an otherwise extremely fun event. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: xPoisonx on December 08, 2014, 05:52:17 PM
Wish I was.  I believe nef handled it quickly and booted him... either that or he quit and didn't come back.  But it was a sour note in an otherwise extremely fun event. 

Are you drunk? I shot at one person who looked like he was trying to HO me because I had my icons off, then his squaddie TKed me. That's all that happend.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Devil 505 on December 08, 2014, 10:56:19 PM
Are you drunk? I shot at one person who looked like he was trying to HO me because I had my icons off, then his squaddie TKed me. That's all that happend.
The Icon settings you set on your machine only effect what you see, not what anyone else does.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Nefarious on December 09, 2014, 06:33:18 AM
Yeah, I'm not quite sure why you would want to fly with Icons completely off in Combat Challenge, but its a very compelling reason why killshooter should be on.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Scca on December 09, 2014, 08:11:36 AM
Are you drunk? I shot at one person who looked like he was trying to HO me because I had my icons off, then his squaddie TKed me. That's all that happend.
So you admittedly shot at friendly players (two to be exact), and HE is the drunk one?  :headscratch:  It's clear you are part of the "not me" generation..  Guessing < 20...  Man up dude.  The big boy pants are that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Anyway...  I am mixed...  Even though I ended a squaddie by accident (man I felt bad about that), I think we should leave it off as it ramps up realism. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: xPoisonx on December 09, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
So you admittedly shot at friendly players (two to be exact), and HE is the drunk one?  :headscratch:  It's clear you are part of the "not me" generation..  Guessing < 20...  Man up dude.  The big boy pants are that way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Anyway...  I am mixed...  Even though I ended a squaddie by accident (man I felt bad about that), I think we should leave it off as it ramps up realism.  

I never killed any friendlies, your squad however, killed at least 2  :devil

He can make up any story he wants I guess... doesn't bother me I'll kill ya if I feel like it  :D
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Zoney on December 09, 2014, 01:11:20 PM
I never killed any friendlies, your squad however, killed at least 2  :devil

He can make up any story he wants I guess... doesn't bother me I'll kill ya if I feel like it  :D

Really?

xPoisonx
23:00:22 Departed from Field #31 in a Bf 109K-4
23:08:45 Shot down a P-51D flown by rk.
23:10:01 Shot down a La-7 flown by NoWings.
23:12:44 Was shot down by akELFY (exploded).
23:12:59 Departed from Field #31 in a Bf 109K-4
23:17:59 Awarded kill as NoWings crashes.
23:18:34 Awarded kill as wesCHASE crashes.
23:19:46 Shot down a P-51B flown by Redtail7.
23:19:49 Shot down a Bf 109G-14 flown by Wolfbow.
23:21:49 Shot down a Spitfire Mk IX flown by Fiona000.
23:24:43 Was shot down by Redtail7 (crashed).
23:25:03 Departed from Field #31 in a Bf 109K-4
23:31:26 Was shot down by (crashed).
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: xPoisonx on December 09, 2014, 01:20:15 PM
Really?

xPoisonx
23:00:22 Departed from Field #31 in a Bf 109K-4
23:08:45 Shot down a P-51D flown by rk.
23:10:01 Shot down a La-7 flown by NoWings.
23:12:44 Was shot down by akELFY (exploded).
23:12:59 Departed from Field #31 in a Bf 109K-4
23:17:59 Awarded kill as NoWings crashes.
23:18:34 Awarded kill as wesCHASE crashes.
23:19:46 Shot down a P-51B flown by Redtail7.
23:19:49 Shot down a Bf 109G-14 flown by Wolfbow.
23:21:49 Shot down a Spitfire Mk IX flown by Fiona000.
23:24:43 Was shot down by Redtail7 (crashed).
23:25:03 Departed from Field #31 in a Bf 109K-4
23:31:26 Was shot down by (crashed).

Now I see your intentions  :devil
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: dogtag380 on December 09, 2014, 01:37:21 PM
Poison - a simple apology after the incident would have sufficed.  Nobody is perfect and accidents happen.  But you shot at a friendly with no enemy in sight, then ignored requests to explain your actions.  I'll leave it at that.

Nef - I'm still leaning towards kill shooter off 60/40, but it will be fun either way.

Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Big Rat on December 09, 2014, 06:10:22 PM
I'm for leaving killshooter off personally.  Keeping everything fairly consistant between CC, FSO, and Scenario.  Unfortunately this isn't a squad based event so individuals aren't directly accountable to anyone else (CO's, squaddies), thus we have incidents like the last frame.

 :salute
BigRat

 
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: AKIndrid on December 09, 2014, 11:10:53 PM
Are you drunk? I shot at one person who looked like he was trying to HO me because I had my icons off, then his squaddie TKed me. That's all that happend.

I never killed any friendlies, your squad however, killed at least 2  :devil

He can make up any story he wants I guess... doesn't bother me I'll kill ya if I feel like it  :D

Well, you can dispute this all you like.. It initially started with you trying to shoot me down, and I yelled for you to stop..
Then you proceeded to stay on my 6, until your LA couldn't hang with my Spitty. Then went an HO'ed Grey.

I'm going to point something out also, for your accusation on saying anyone is drunk or implying they are 'stupid' by saying so.

Why in the hell are you going to fly in the tournament with the icons off?.... Seems a bit moronic.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Scca on December 10, 2014, 11:06:06 AM
I never killed any friendlies, your squad however, killed at least 2  :devil

He can make up any story he wants I guess... doesn't bother me I'll kill ya if I feel like it  :D
Adding one to the ignore list... 
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: xPoisonx on December 10, 2014, 11:14:35 AM
Adding one to the ignore list... 

I still have yet to understand why people think I care if they ignore me. Congratulations, you win, nothing!
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: Shrike on December 11, 2014, 08:07:44 PM
I prefer killshooter to be off.  The name of the event is Combat Challenge.  We'll never achieve actual combat but in the spirit of a challenge I say make it more difficult to score a victory.  If killshooter is on a horde can essentially saddle up on your 6 and blast you to the tower faster than Poison can cover his story.  Then your dealing with the boo birds about getting assists.  I believe the silliness and lack of character we witnessed in one player of the final challenge was an unfortunate and rare incident.  Perhaps you lock side switching after the event starts or require squad membership to participate but leave killshooter off.
Title: Re: Let's talk Killshooter
Post by: 1Canukk on December 12, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
Off , my personal opinion if turned will cause more issues .