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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saxman on December 10, 2014, 07:23:32 AM
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So apparently, the F-35 can't fly if its fuel is too warm, and the standard color of the military's fuel trucks and tanks absorb too much heat.
http://news.yahoo.com/usaf-paint-trucks-because-f-35-t-fly-033918678.html
So essentially, the F-35 has been grounded by the color of the military's fuel trucks.
Our tax dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen.
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It's a wonder the thing flies at all...
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Here is a bit of comedy about the EuroFighter. Based on facts I am told.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNXnMux6118
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Here is a bit of comedy about the EuroFighter. Based on facts I am told.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNXnMux6118
The 1995 show was off on many levels. They couldn't anticipate the new russian threat, Berlin wall had fallen and life was rosy. Well Mr Putin has smelled the roses and figured it's time to destroy all the decades of peace work.
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I may be wrong but didnt the Harrier have the same problem? Something to do with STOVL aircraft and the way the fuel is used to cool other parts of the plane. Obviously the 35B has a more powerful engine so why take a chance when a fix is so easy to do? Big "Meh".
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Paint the tankers bright yellow with a big smiley face on it :)
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The bird is a half-assed project.. they should have left it earlier when the problems started to arise
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The bird is a half-assed project.. they should have left it earlier when the problems started to arise
And turned to what?
Its funny, I guess you had to be there, but people seem to forget the terrible problems we had with the F100 engines of the F15 when we were trying to get the thing certified for combat. For reasons we couldnt figure out at first, BTW in the middle of a monstrous Cold War, parts of the F100 engines were wearing out far faster then they were supposedly designed to do. It got so bad USAF was accepting airframes without engines to put in them and it didnt get straightened out until the early '80s. To this day we still have temperamental F100s on still flying F15s.
The F16 also inherited the problematic engine. But only one of them. It had severe electrical problems that caused the crash of several planes along with the deaths of several airmen. Its initial production run was about as basic a day fighter as we could make. Even in Gulf-1 most of the ords dropped by F16s were dumb bombs dropped at high Alts that totally missed their targets. It wasnt until after the Gulf War the 16 received Lantirn and AMRAMMS, "29 of 44 air kills in Gulf 1 were made by BVR missiles".
So I hope there are no delusions that any of these 4th gen aircraft had problem free development cycles. In fact they were far from it. The loss of life and airframes from WW2 and early jet development was horrendous.
There will be other hiccups in the F35 program. Just like in any other cutting edge fighter program, and if we had left them "when problems started to arise in the half-assed programs" we wouldnt be an air power at all.
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And turned to what?
Its funny, I guess you had to be there, but people seem to forget the terrible problems we had with the F100 engines of the F15 when we were trying to get the thing certified for combat. For reasons we couldnt figure out at first, BTW in the middle of a monstrous Cold War, parts of the F100 engines were wearing out far faster then they were supposedly designed to do. It got so bad USAF was accepting airframes without engines to put in them and it didnt get straightened out until the early '80s. To this day we still have temperamental F100s on still flying F15s.
The F16 also inherited the problematic engine. But only one of them. It had severe electrical problems that caused the crash of several planes along with the deaths of several airmen. Its initial production run was about as basic a day fighter as we could make. Even in Gulf-1 most of the ords dropped by F16s were dumb bombs dropped at high Alts that totally missed their targets. It wasnt until after the Gulf War the 16 received Lantirn and AMRAMMS, "29 of 44 air kills in Gulf 1 were made by BVR missiles".
So I hope there are no delusions that any of these 4th gen aircraft had problem free development cycles. In fact they were far from it. The loss of life and airframes from WW2 and early jet development was horrendous.
There will be other hiccups in the F35 program. Just like in any other cutting edge fighter program, and if we had left them "when problems started to arise in the half-assed programs" we wouldnt be an air power at all.
Cutting edge? Not according to this guy:
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131011184916/fallout/images/c/c6/Argument-Ancient-Aliens.jpg)
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Cutting edge? Not according to this guy:
(http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131011184916/fallout/images/c/c6/Argument-Ancient-Aliens.jpg)
No it... It doesn't work like that.
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A10>Rubbish F-35
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And turned to what?
Its funny, I guess you had to be there, but people seem to forget the terrible problems we had with the F100 engines of the F15 when we were trying to get the thing certified for combat. For reasons we couldnt figure out at first, BTW in the middle of a monstrous Cold War, parts of the F100 engines were wearing out far faster then they were supposedly designed to do. It got so bad USAF was accepting airframes without engines to put in them and it didnt get straightened out until the early '80s. To this day we still have temperamental F100s on still flying F15s.
The F16 also inherited the problematic engine. But only one of them. It had severe electrical problems that caused the crash of several planes along with the deaths of several airmen. Its initial production run was about as basic a day fighter as we could make. Even in Gulf-1 most of the ords dropped by F16s were dumb bombs dropped at high Alts that totally missed their targets. It wasnt until after the Gulf War the 16 received Lantirn and AMRAMMS, "29 of 44 air kills in Gulf 1 were made by BVR missiles".
So I hope there are no delusions that any of these 4th gen aircraft had problem free development cycles. In fact they were far from it. The loss of life and airframes from WW2 and early jet development was horrendous.
There will be other hiccups in the F35 program. Just like in any other cutting edge fighter program, and if we had left them "when problems started to arise in the half-assed programs" we wouldnt be an air power at all.
The F100-PW200 was a slight improvement, but the PW220 was a very large improvement.
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Behold! Innovation!
Present a crappy aircraft, and make it wonderous!
Many things are experimental, and these projects are the incubator for further innovation, especially when stuff learned can possibly be applied to civilian aerospace.
It might look like a crap project, but gotta start somewhere!
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Behold! Innovation!
Present a crappy aircraft, and make it wonderous!
Many things are experimental, and these projects are the incubator for further innovation, especially when stuff learned can possibly be applied to civilian aerospace.
It might look like a crap project, but gotta start somewhere!
And yet the "innovation" to fix the F-35 is to....repaint the fuel trucks.
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Paint the tankers bright yellow with a big smiley face on it :)
and do the Duggy!
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Curious how this will be handled in different environments where heat is prevalent. Also bright white fuel trucks don't seem like the greatest idea either...