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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Rob52240 on December 27, 2014, 02:29:59 PM
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I don't see how this helps the business.
I do see how it hurts the business.
I'm in my mid 30's and I feel that Aces High is overly family friendly. I understand that this is Dale's game to do with as he pleases but I don't think that Dale understands that most people outside of Texas like to express themselves at least a little more than we are currently allowed.
I would also like to point out that I have not heard a child's voice in game since about 2010.
I find it ironic that we are encouraged to shoot virtual bullets into virtual pilots but our language can't be any coarser than the word 'Heck or Dang' because that would be obscene.
People who play MMO's have certain expectations, like being able to swear without something equivalent to a nun immediately hitting our hands with a yard stick.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ujxDA9VsQG4/maxresdefault.jpg)
:cheers:
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And I just thought of a compromise that I don't feel is actually fair, but is fair enough to some extent.
Add radio channels in the 300 range and allow us to speak freely on those.
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I don't see how this helps the business.
I like having some civility and think this does help the business.
I do see how it hurts the business.
Maybe this game isn't for everyone then, not much of a surprise
I'm in my mid 30's and I feel that Aces High is overly family friendly. I understand that this is Dale's game to do with as he pleases but I don't think that Dale understands that most people outside of Texas like to express themselves at least a little more than we are currently allowed.
People in Texas aren't the same as the rest of the USA and you don't think Dale understands, got it.
I would also like to point out that I have not heard a child's voice in game since about 2010.
Maybe not a very young child but I've heard 11 year old's, 13 year old's and I don't think a free for all would work well with their parents overhearing or seeing the horrible language you seem to think is ok.
I find it ironic that we are encouraged to shoot virtual bullets into virtual pilots but our language can't be any coarser than the word 'Heck or Dang' because that would be obscene.
They aren't real bullets and no one really dies so maybe we dont need real swear words and "heck or Dang" will suffice.
People who play MMO's have certain expectations, like being able to swear without something equivalent to a nun immediately hitting our hands with a yard stick.
I wouldn't know about that because this is the only one I play but my expectations were the rules were there to, again, keep it civil and reasonable and be able to be enjoyed by all. Do you really need to swear to enjoy the game?
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ujxDA9VsQG4/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Im 56 years old and don't feel the need to swear at all. Sounds like you may have an issue and it might be time to grow up. :angel:
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I appreciate your humor and the sincerity of your opinion.
That said, there's an assumption you're making about kids in the game that causes me to be thoughtful.
HTC sponsored communications in game is a thorny thing. While it is very convenient for subscribers (we'll let it go at that), it brings with it a can of worms that is simply 'censorship'. HTC is now in charge of defining what is offensive as part of the communications capability. Our friends in War Thunder didn't bother with in-game vox because F2P isn't supposed to have 'unpleasantness' as a rule. A lot of people in that space will use Ventrillo or TeamSpeak and there is no mandate to protect the sensibility of all participants.
When I had a 7-year old, he was not allowed to listen to the snarls and swearing that sometimes accompanied what might otherwise be a 'good time' in the arenas.
When he was 15 I kind of snuck him in and showed him his personal bar of soap. My son represents the "customer to be" in Aces High. Those are the dots I'm trying to connect (not very well).
I would like to see more kids in the game, not fewer. They are quite literally the future of the franchise. If I can only swear on Squadron Vox or TeamSpeak, it's a small price to pay.
With respect,
:salute
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So basically what your saying is you have no self control.
How would the game be more fun by being able to swear?
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Sorry, I don't see any benefit from this idea.
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So basically what your saying is you have no self control.
How would the game be more fun by being able to swear?
Perfectly stated.
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:old: dang!
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Im 56 years old and don't feel the need to swear at all. Sounds like you may have an issue and it might be time to grow up. :angel:
^This. :salute
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diddly this toejam bigtoe amazinhunk :bhead
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I have self control. But this is not an elementary school or a church.
In my opinion we should at least be able to talk like we're at the DMV when on vox.
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I have self control. But this is not an elementary school or a church.
In my opinion we should at least be able to talk like we're at the DMV when on vox.
Then get on teamspeak or a coms program, there's not one danged thing wrong with family friendly, shows that you have a little intelligence.
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In my opinion we should at least be able to talk like we're at the DMV when on vox.
You can speak all you want on your squad channel.
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Im 56 years old and don't feel the need to swear at all. Sounds like you may have an issue and it might be time to grow up. :angel:
I'm 60 years old and at times swear like a sailor (or paratrooper, cop, pilot, etc), but in the company of others I comply with the basic rules of courtesy and keep my language clean.
Folks perhaps need to mature, learn some manners, increase their vocabulary or use Vent or Teamspeak.
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Filters apply to all text channels, im not complaining about swearing verbally. YOu have to get reported to get muted, with text you get muted after a warning and not cleaning up language enough the 2nd time.
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Gentlemen,
Welcome to the lowering of expectations by the "greatest of generations" yet, Millennials. From what I can tell, they wish most of us 40 and older would just die and leave them alone because we screwed this pooch for them.
The owner of the game isn't one, and probably won't pay any attention to the OP's request to lower our basement floor below the sewage lines for the emotional realism factor. Stank is stink no matter how much tolerance you paint that pig with.
Just remember, for the Millennials, 50 will probably be who we were at 30. But, danged if they can text, selfi, and demand the global lowering of everyone else's expectations like they are the new dawning tolerant enlightenment of mankind. As long as it's us "tolerating" them. Narcissism is not a two way street, nor does it tolerate opposing values.
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Filters apply to all text channels, im not complaining about swearing verbally. YOu have to get reported to get muted, with text you get muted after a warning and not cleaning up language enough the 2nd time.
Seriously? You're complaining that you don't get to type poo to whomever in game? I can almost understand those who let slip, verbally (though when you hear the f-bomb drop every third to other word it seems they just discovered the 'novelty' and are showing it off for the rest of us) but typing is more deliberate. Your defense of this, in light of the reaction you got, is sheep dip. :D
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Filters apply to all text channels, im not complaining about swearing verbally. YOu have to get reported to get muted, with text you get muted after a warning and not cleaning up language enough the 2nd time.
Exactly what game are you trying to "game". You live like this all the time?
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Seriously? You're complaining that you don't get to type poo to whomever in game? I can almost understand those who let slip, verbally (though when you hear the f-bomb drop every third to other word it seems they just discovered the 'novelty' and are showing it off for the rest of us) but typing is more deliberate. Your defense of this, in light of the reaction you got, is sheep dip. :D
His fingers slipped :)
As one who did have a younger son flying with me in Both Airwarrior and Aces High, I appreciated that there were expectations of how people presented themselves. In theory the older vet players set the example for the new ones coming in.
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Your mother should of washed your mouth out with soap more often, adjust your aim higher. :angel:
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In theory the older vet players set the example for the new ones coming in.
In that case, maybe I don't want my son on Aces High. :rofl
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Filters apply to all text channels
No they don't. You can type swears all day long on "squad" text, which is as it should be; unrestricted.
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No they don't. You can type swears all day long on "squad" text, which is as it should be; unrestricted.
What he said. Channel 4 "Squad" is totally unrestricted. There you ou can drop as many f-bombs as you like on vox or text.
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What he said. Channel 4 "Squad" is totally unrestricted. There you ou can drop as many f-bombs as you like on vox or text.
Clearly a sign of a true cartoon pilot. Maybe folks could stamp the number of F-bombs thrown on the side of thier cartoon airplane? It would be the cartoon manly thing to do after all :)
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Clearly a sign of a true cartoon pilot. Maybe folks could stamp the number of F-bombs thrown on the side of thier cartoon airplane? It would be the cartoon manly thing to do after all :)
We need a scoring category for that :old:
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#4
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Heard children in game just 2 nights ago and steadily over the last few months.
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whilst flying formation with santa (hitech) the other nite, i heard people drop the occasional f or s on range voice.
i don't think they were muted..
so, i figure context is important. "oh s! there's santa!" probably gets a pass where "you're a ganging piece of s!" does not..
and i'm sick of seeing it repeated again and again, but I really don't think it has anything to do with age.. the most obnoxious and profane people I've heard on range sound older than me and i'm 39.
I beware anyone who brings political opinions into a video game. even one who sneaks them in on the forum, every chance he gets. bustr.
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There may not be younger people on the game, but there are some out there who have small children in the house. These same children might like to sit with daddy while he plays. Just saying!
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Its a MMOG not a Golly-geen church group.
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I feel that Aces High is overly family friendly.
I disagree.
I say "yes" to civility; I say "no" to vulgarity.
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Folks, we all know when and where profanity is ok, both in society and in-game. This is yet another rant designed for no other purpose than to be a PITA to HiTech. Anyone who can't enjoy themselves without the use of continuous profanity has serious self control issues. Get over it and enjoy the bans that are surely coming.
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See Rule #4
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I just like to cuss at Scotch on squad vox...and the occasional 12 clear I get periodically. Other than that, this thread has a smidge of wIN in it but its hard to sift through the LOSE to find it.
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There is a lot of ugliness out there. I choose to not invite that ugliness into my home if I can avoid it. I would like this game to continue to be one of those places that discourages ugly language. It's simply not necessary.
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Saturday night "I" was awarded perk points for resupping HQ. "I" was a 7 year old girl. I tuned the vow to "mission" beforehand. We should be able to do this without hearing junk from the "entitled" . That's my entitlement.
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I don't see how this helps the business.
I do see how it hurts the business.
I'm in my mid 30's and I feel that Aces High is overly family friendly. I understand that this is Dale's game to do with as he pleases but I don't think that Dale understands that most people outside of Texas like to express themselves at least a little more than we are currently allowed.
I would also like to point out that I have not heard a child's voice in game since about 2010.
I find it ironic that we are encouraged to shoot virtual bullets into virtual pilots but our language can't be any coarser than the word 'Heck or Dang' because that would be obscene.
People who play MMO's have certain expectations, like being able to swear without something equivalent to a nun immediately hitting our hands with a yard stick.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ujxDA9VsQG4/maxresdefault.jpg)
:cheers:
:O
:huh
:bhead
:airplane:
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And I just thought of a compromise that I don't feel is actually fair, but is fair enough to some extent.
Add radio channels in the 300 range and allow us to speak freely on those.
You've been cryin since your filthy name was taken from you. Get over it.
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In real life I am often prone to utilising bad language, it's part of the culture I grew up in. However, swearing only highlights a lack of eloquence and vocabulary. I think if one studies the English language enough one can find a wide assortment of perfectly adequate wording to describe any situation or convey any thought or emotion without resorting to profanity. To feel somehow limited by the denial to use certain low standard elements of vocabulary is surely a sign that one's vocabulary is somewhat lacking in substance.
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I know all kinds of fancy words that aren't vulgar. I just choose to cuss for emphasis. :)
You know what I hate? When dudes be like, "Gosh dangit", or use "Mother" in conjunction with "fricker". I mean c'mon... it sounds like a cuss word and everybody including little kids knows you just said something different. You ain't polite bro. You're just a language sissy.
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See rule #4
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Daffodowndilly is my word for the day. I feel more superior already!
I curse like a sailor when the time is right. I can vocabulate with the best of them, but IMO profanity has its place and sometimes is a perfectly adequate or even the best description of a person or situation.
With that said, I'm perfectly fine with this place not turning into XBL where people communicate at the top of their lungs via homophobic racism. It adds nothing to the game.
Wiley.
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It adds nothing to the game.
Wiley.
And that my friends, is the bottom line.
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You can upgrade here
Heeeheee! I just grabbed a copy of that from Amazon. I couldn't resist after seeing my
personal favorite; "slubberdegullion" !
Thanks for postin' that up. :salute
Regards, Odd
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Our squad pays for our own Ventrilo server, which confers several advantages, not the least of which is the freedom to curse like a bandit when the mood strikes us. I'm a Maritimer and I cannot friggin help myself. It's said that the F-word was invented in New Brunswick and I friggin believe it. Our language is... colourful, to say the least. Maybe an adults-only channel would work, but there is a fine line between what's "funny" and what's "racist homophobic misogynistic blasphemous" and so on. I have noticed that the scatalogical, the vulgar, and the profane are censored, but the aforementioned speech, not so much. I'll take mere vulgarity over that hateful stuff any day.
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There is a lot of ugliness out there. I choose to not invite that ugliness into my home if I can avoid it. I would like this game to continue to be one of those places that discourages ugly language. It's simply not necessary.
+1. I'm not saying that I'm an angel, but you will never hear me swear on vox..... squad or country.....I have to much respect for my fellow players, and their familys to have them hear that come across their speakers. The fact that this thread was ever posted shows what utter lack of respect and decency some people have for other people .....beyond pathetic
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I cuss when appropriate. AH allows cussing when appropriate. If anyone thinks AH doesn't, they have a different idea of when it's appropriate ;)
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And I just thought of a compromise that I don't feel is actually fair, but is fair enough to some extent.
Add radio channels in the 300 range and allow us to speak freely on those.
That was the original intention of 200. Remember. The default channel is 100 and the original idea was that you CHOSE to tune into 200. And by making that choice you were to more or less pretty much deal with whatever went on in 200. (at the time politics not language was the hotbed issue)
What happened was predictable. Everyone started tuning into 200 because thats where everyone else went. Its why you see most of the furballers in the MA instead of the DA. Everyone wants to be where the crowd is. Because the majority decided to make 200 their home people started complaining about what went on there forgetting or outright ignoring its original intention.
Kinda like how this country went. Originally conceived in the concept of individual liberty. Then the Dudley Do-Rights showed up and started demanding laws based on their likes and dislikes and the laws were passed and enforced and we've been going downhill ever since.
Same thing here.
The idea of choosing to tune to 200 so you could choose to engage in the type of conversation you wanted (the idea being that if you didnt want to take part or see such conversation you could just stay on 100) Problem is everyone seems to want liberty. So 200 is where the majority went. Leaving those who didnt like that type of conversation pretty much alone. Not wanting to be alone and the norm of wanting to be where the crow is. Those folks (the Dudley Do-Rights) tuned into 200 too. then the complaints came again just as they had on the default channel. Demanded laws be enforced.
And here we are.
What you are proposing is a rinse repeat. Sure you can make 300 for anything you want. And most people will end up going there because most people DO want that kind of liberty. Problem is. The Dudley Do-Rights will again show up rather then be left alone and again start demanding laws be enforced so they dont have to deal with it even though they chose to tune there to begin with just as what happened on 200.
The problem though isnt just the Dudley Do-Rights. Its what if I remember correctly HT said when he said "You dont want what you think you want"
In this case Its the problem of some people not knowing when to stop. Taking advantage and abusing their liberties when they do have them rather then being responsible with those liberties. Lets take politics for example. while I think most wouldnt be adverse to some political discussion. Some folks just dont know when to shut up or when enough is enough. They have to keep pushing and keep pushing buttons to get a reaction. Then rather then such discussion remaining civil. It devolves into a raging flame fest. Pretty soon even those who were open to political discussion do not want to see it because its no longer a mature discussion or civil intelligent debate. But a war of insults and name calling. And that, outside few the few participants gets old for everyone else real fast.
Classic case of you may get what you want. But not want what you get
Inasmuch as 200 is where the mass hangs HTC is more or less forced to enforce its rules for the betterment and enjoyment of the whole even if the majority doesn't agree.
Same thing holds true with language. Now language typically doesn't bother me. And Ive never protected my kids from it because I see it in this day and age a fruitless endeavor. And in the end you really protect them from nothing because your average kid probably hears more before the 6:00 news hour during the coarse of a day then they hear here. And I can certainly understand the flare of temper now and again. We are all after all human.
BUT even that has its limits. Again. Some people just don't know when to say when or how much is enough. Some. (and I do men a a VERY few) Just dont stop. So again HTC is forced to enforce its rules.
I understand your desire to be able to say what you want.That being the case take it private vox. Because setting a new free for all channel will only result in the same thing happening as happened with 200. Everyone will go there. then the same default rules will have to be enforced because...everyone will go there.
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It's interesting to watch the world evolve.
Here we are arguing for the right to be vulgar.
Yes, you do have the right to be vulgar. But don't you have a higher standard for yourself? It matters to me not one bit whether you do or not, it's your life to live.
It's an intentional choice to be the man you want to be, and actions define who you are.
If you had a choice to be the individual you are, which might include being vulgar because this is a grown ups game, or being a role model for those around you, which do you choose? Now, read that last line again and remove the very first word, "if".
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Vulgarity lost it's novelty before it had a chance to set hold in me. Boot camp uses it to shock your attention into place. After-all, screaming niceties only confuses. Any environment outside that pales in comparison. I came home on leave and there was some kid (college aged) at a party that dropped the f-bomb at least twice in every sentence he managed to drivel at everyone. I don't think he was even buzzed. I nudged him with a 'Hi, effing Joey! How effing are effing you, you effer. How's your effing mom? Tell her I effing said hi!' and his eyes went wide as his jaw dropped. 'Guess that word can be over-used, eh?' Joey left the party within minutes. Vulgarity doesn't impress .... everyone.
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People who play MMO's have certain expectations, like being able to swear without something equivalent to a nun immediately hitting our hands with a yard stick.
And to use that sheeple generation "battle cry". "WHATEVER . . . I WANT IT MY WAY; WAH WAH WAH" :rolleyes:
Way back when I was in High School, Class of 66, I was on my high school's Speech & Debate Team.
The first thing we were taught was:
Rule #1. - If someone uses vulgarity, it's because they really have nothing to say.
It is obvious to me, that you and I live in two vastly different universes. :old:
So, enjoy your world & I will enjoy mine . . . I will enjoy mine without the vulgarity.
just my $0.02 worth
LtngRydr
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Dudley Do-Right, Rob?
I've never acquired a taste for channel 200. I didn't like the tone there.
An overarching issue for this age is the perceived anonymity of the internet. It has created environments where there seems to be no immediate consequence for bad behavior or poor taste. There are potential long-term consequences, but that is another discussion.
Some of us grew up on a steady diet of Civics. There is a notion in it (among many others) that law-enforcement begins with each citizen - not with the police. If a law is unfair, outmoded, or wrong then the majority of citizens will work together to change it. In all aspects of Civics there is an underlying requirement to demonstrate respect for the other citizens. In short form - "Your freedom extends as far as the nose of your neighbor". Dudley Do-Right?
Some of us grew up in military families and/or served in the military. It is a highly evolved community based on respect for the rules. A healthy thing for the group that fights wars to preserve the freedom of all citizens. Dudley Do-Right?
Some of us live in Texas and know that this state reflects the norms of the rest of the country in general terms. Dudley Do-Right? - Not any more or less than in any other state, but it is still a norm in most places I've lived to not swear in front of women and children (a demonstration of lack of self control).
Channel 200 seems to be missing the important factor of respect. Lacking that, it's not worth considering for some of us. If that lack of respect spills into Range or Country, then it needs to be policed (vigorously). There are limits to our liberty. That is a fact. We all have to operate within that framework.
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I never blew an eye out with CH200. But then again I'm scandinavian. We even go to public sauna naked. I actually went to the womens side with my grandmother until I was 8 years old. Ooooh yeah I saw some bootie :rofl
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Ratsy. I like your post and appreciate it. :cheers:
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What the OP has failed to consider is that not everyone is using a headset. That's why it is family frindly.
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I didn't say uncensor channel 200. I suggested that channels in the 300-399 range not be censored.
I'm not suggesting that anyone swear constantly or even frequently. I am saying that occasional swearing should not result in an automatic mute.
Currently the game only allows us to use coarse words like heck and darn.
Currently we have rules that the creator is too lazy to enforce, so we have filters with no common sense that enforce his rules for him, often punishing those who do not deserve it.
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I never blew an eye out with CH200. But then again I'm scandinavian. We even go to public sauna naked. I actually went to the womens side with my grandmother until I was 8 years old. Ooooh yeah I saw some bootie :rofl
You now have the envy of 99% of the AH community :D
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This whole post was another self serving opportunity to insult HiTech for some perceived insult to the OP's expectations because of the recent rash of post's getting away with insulting HiTech. The OP is spitting in all of your faces due to the anonymity of the internet. In real life you see this in places where kids with masks over their faces throw trash cans through Mom and Pop store windows or set their cars on fire in front of news cameras. The only interest for the OP is in throwing his version of a trash can through HiTech's store window while his mask hides his identify from his parents watching the 6 O'clock News. His parents said exactly what all of you have wasted your time posting in response. By his response below, none of it had any effect.
Currently we have rules that the creator is too lazy to enforce
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:headscratch:
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We need a scoring category for that :old:
Or perhaps an achievement :P
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I didn't say uncensor channel 200. I suggested that channels in the 300-399 range not be censored.
I'm not suggesting that anyone swear constantly or even frequently. I am saying that occasional swearing should not result in an automatic mute.
Currently the game only allows us to use coarse words like heck and darn.
Currently we have rules that the creator is too lazy to enforce, so we have filters with no common sense that enforce his rules for him, often punishing those who do not deserve it.
WHy swear at all? Get shot down, curse like a sailor, THEN key up the mic and say"heck that guy got me". Whats the big deal?
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WHy swear at all? Get shot down, curse like a sailor, THEN key up the mic and say"heck that guy got me". Whats the big deal?
This.
And still trying to figure out the answer to it as well. I have rarely been able to muster up much more than "bah!".
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I didn't say uncensor channel 200. I suggested that channels in the 300-399 range not be censored.
I'm not suggesting that anyone swear constantly or even frequently. I am saying that occasional swearing should not result in an automatic mute.
Currently the game only allows us to use coarse words like heck and darn.
Currently we have rules that the creator is too lazy to enforce, so we have filters with no common sense that enforce his rules for him, often punishing those who do not deserve it.
You dont understand the problem with that though. As I mentioned before. 100 is the default channel. 200 was created under similar pretenses for what you are suggesting. As a result. Everyone, well, almost everyone blew off 200 and then migrated to 200.
Most everyone wants total freedom. Till they get it. Then there will always be a segment that has to test the limits of that freedom to the extreme. And always be another segment that will complain and insist on rules being in place and enforced. In the end the extremists ruin it for everyone because they dont know how or refuse to be responsible. Hell we even see that same irresponsibility with some players that dont cuss but will continually verbally harrass other players and just dont shut up or when to stop. They stay within the framework of the rules. But they push that framework to the absolute limits.
Lets say you get your wish. Everyone will migrate there. Just like they did with 200. Then. A small but vocal percentage will abuse that freedom to excess and HTC will again be forced to enforce the rules as they currently are because they have to do what they feel is best for the whole.
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Dudley Do-Right, Rob?
I've never acquired a taste for channel 200. I didn't like the tone there.
An overarching issue for this age is the perceived anonymity of the internet. It has created environments where there seems to be no immediate consequence for bad behavior or poor taste. There are potential long-term consequences, but that is another discussion.
Some of us grew up on a steady diet of Civics. There is a notion in it (among many others) that law-enforcement begins with each citizen - not with the police. If a law is unfair, outmoded, or wrong then the majority of citizens will work together to change it. In all aspects of Civics there is an underlying requirement to demonstrate respect for the other citizens. In short form - "Your freedom extends as far as the nose of your neighbor". Dudley Do-Right?
Some of us grew up in military families and/or served in the military. It is a highly evolved community based on respect for the rules. A healthy thing for the group that fights wars to preserve the freedom of all citizens. Dudley Do-Right?
Some of us live in Texas and know that this state reflects the norms of the rest of the country in general terms. Dudley Do-Right? - Not any more or less than in any other state, but it is still a norm in most places I've lived to not swear in front of women and children (a demonstration of lack of self control).
Channel 200 seems to be missing the important factor of respect. Lacking that, it's not worth considering for some of us. If that lack of respect spills into Range or Country, then it needs to be policed (vigorously). There are limits to our liberty. That is a fact. We all have to operate within that framework.
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Sorry for the wall of text. and not intended as a flame. but merely to explain my intended meaning of "Dudley Do-Rights"
I dont know who the Rob is you are referring.
Dudley Do-Right's are the ones that profess support for liberty. But only the liberties they agree with and with only within the set limits they like. Those they dont they feel they have the right and absolute obligation to impose their brand of liberty on everyone else. Which really doesnt represent anything close to liberty. Just their own brand of tyranny. They are no better then the extremists who never let up and have to see how far they can take things
Quite often the Dudley Do-Rights arent in the majority but are vocal enough to be the squeaky wheel that needs to be oiled.
The Dudley Do-Rights for example are unlike you who decides they dont like the flavor of 200 and choose to stay off of it. Much like you would change the channel on your TV if you didnt like what was being shown on HBO.
This would allow others the liberty and freedoms to do as they want within their own realm. No they are the Felix Ungers of the world who cant be satisfied with simply keeping their own house clean but insist on making sure the rest of the world is clean up to their standards as well even though the rest of the world may not want to be that cleaned up.
The Dudley Do-Rights are the ones who, rather then turn off HBO and watch something else. Decide that because they dont like whats on HBO. Then nobody else should be able to watch it. So rather then tune into another channel and watching something a bit more tame like Mr Rogers or Nat Geo they keep HBO tuned in becauser thats what everyone else in the world is watching and complain and complain and complain to HBO insisting HBO change instead in spite of the fact that there may be a great many people who are enjoying the very thing the Dudley Do-Rights hate.
This is what happened with 200. Which was originally suggested as a place to go so people could talk a bit more freely then on 100. The idea being you had to manually choose to be on 200. Nobody was forcing you to see anything. The problem came about when it became THE main channel everyone was on. Try talking on 100 lately? You will hear a lot of crickets before anyone responds. 200 is where everyone goes.
Problem is the extremists have to see how far they can push. How much they can get away with. Which is tyranny itself for the more rational minded
But also the other end of tyranny, The Dudley Do-Rights show up because thats where everyone else is and just like Felix Unger or the HBO parable. They insist that 200 change to meet their cleanliness standards rather then go back to watching Mr Rogers or Nat Geo on another channel along with anyone else that felt the same way.
THAT is what I meant by "Dudley Do-Rights"
I the end the relatively small number of extremists screw it up for the rational because even the rational minded get really sick of seeing their rants and end up siding more with the Dudley Do-Rights.
I think most of the more rational minded which probably makes up the bulk of people. That is Those that arent extremest or Do-rights would much rather have something more moderate then iron clad rules that are "policed vigorously". Because the rational minded realize that when dealing with humanity. there are no absolutes you can rationally expect everyone to be able to follow 100% of the time. The last suggested perfect person died some 2,000 years ago
I've seen some good ol boys from Texas, And/or/ were/are/ or grew up in the military that can and have been pretty over the top too.
The problem is the extremists that dont or wont stop. They dont understand that just because you may be able to do something doesnt mean you always should or always have to.
In the end given the numbers of people and human limits. The way I see it HTC has no alternative but to do things the way they do even if they wanted to have a more relaxed hand. Just too many people to go on a case by case basis.
This is the best and only realistic option from both a human resource and business standpoint.
To be clear you may take note that I have in no way condoned the use of profanity on 200, 300, or any other channel.
Only what would happen if such a separate channel were created for such purposes. We'd be right back to where we are only next time someone suggesting yet another channel. Everyone wants to be where the crowd is
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You dont understand the problem with that though. As I mentioned before. 100 is the default channel. 200 was created under similar pretenses for what you are suggesting. As a result. Everyone, well, almost everyone blew off 200 and then migrated to 200.
Most everyone wants total freedom. Till they get it. Then there will always be a segment that has to test the limits of that freedom to the extreme. And always be another segment that will complain and insist on rules being in place and enforced. In the end the extremists ruin it for everyone because they dont know how or refuse to be responsible. Hell we even see that same irresponsibility with some players that dont cuss but will continually verbally harrass other players and just dont shut up or when to stop. They stay within the framework of the rules. But they push that framework to the absolute limits.
Lets say you get your wish. Everyone will migrate there. Just like they did with 200. Then. A small but vocal percentage will abuse that freedom to excess and HTC will again be forced to enforce the rules as they currently are because they have to do what they feel is best for the whole.
I don't care about the channel that everybody goes to. I'm never on it and never will be. I'm talking about the quiet channel that a squad finds and uses amongst themselves. It's great to have these channels until you type something that offends the program and the program punishes the user.
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And as far as what attracts who...
Obviously the comm rules of aces high are not attracting new players. Some of you old farts may like it but your herd is thinning out.
And while I'm sharing my feelings, some of you do way too much moral grandstanding.
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And as far as what attracts who...
Obviously the comm rules of aces high are not attracting new players. Some of you old farts may like it but your herd is thinning out.
And while I'm sharing my feelings, some of you do way too much moral grandstanding.
The funny thing is rob, you could play in a small arena with 8-20 players and you'd have some of the best fun in AH you've ever seen. I've played in those arenas back in H2H in 2005, it's an interesting experience. TA57x hadsome of the most fun arenas around. I sure did learn the fundamentals of AH. But it wasn't till I joined the MA that I learned even further some of the more complex aspects of the game.
What I am saying Rob is that even though the times are low, the game can still be fun with a tiny amount of players. You will even get better that way.
The new model will come out soon, but this game is still fun to me.
I enjoy talking crap over 200. It gets the fight going... But I won't hesitate to give a <S> for a fun fight or a nice shot.
Get in the fight and die.. There are a lot of challenges this game offers.
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I don't see how this helps the business.
I do see how it hurts the business.
I'm in my mid 30's and I feel that Aces High is overly family friendly. I understand that this is Dale's game to do with as he pleases but I don't think that Dale understands that most people outside of Texas like to express themselves at least a little more than we are currently allowed.
I would also like to point out that I have not heard a child's voice in game since about 2010.
I find it ironic that we are encouraged to shoot virtual bullets into virtual pilots but our language can't be any coarser than the word 'Heck or Dang' because that would be obscene.
People who play MMO's have certain expectations, like being able to swear without something equivalent to a nun immediately hitting our hands with a yard stick.
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:cheers:
Yeah, 2nd, Also it should be pointed out that as a paid service game AH is more the analogue of HBO than of something like broadcast TV. which is the very point at which we separate the sensor, and anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to buy in. Now I realize as well that that means Dale MAY lose a few accounts. But I can tell you that in 18 months of data collecting for my own curiosity. Ive heard 4 or 5 (not exactly sure, would have to pull a bunch of stuff and look) players who touted the mandatory sensor and mute as one of their main reasons for not continuing beyond their 2 weeks. So I suggest taking a pole and seeing what the numbers are. If you ditch the filter, how many would you really lose, and of the 2 weekers how many have that in their list of reasons for leaving. At that point this all becomes a moot debate and its simple math.
<S> cheers
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I have self control. But this is not an elementary school or a church.
In my opinion we should at least be able to talk like we're at the DMV when on vox.
In New Jersey DMV you use profanity with any DMV employee and the police officer on duty shows you the door and you are banned from using that DMV. Seems they want a family friendly DMV in New Jersey.
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In New Jersey DMV you use profanity with any DMV employee and the police officer on duty shows you the door and you are banned from using that DMV. Seems they want a family friendly DMV in New Jersey.
Now I know where they got the idea to that South Park episode where they made DMV as a place of worship lol.
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And as far as what attracts who...
Obviously the comm rules of aces high are not attracting new players. Some of you old farts may like it but your herd is thinning out.
And while I'm sharing my feelings, some of you do way too much moral grandstanding.
The point is that the game owner/designers have decided that there is a line in the sand as to what is allowed in language and what isn't. They have also given you a clear channel (squad channel) to use as you will with any language you like.
In a social context, most of the people I work with or hang out with, or are around in public don't use profanity every other word in public. Im sure a few F bombs are dropped when a hammer doesn't cooperate in private, but in public most people are more considerate. Those that are not are considered immature little dolts that many hope grow up some day.
Cursing is a tool that little boys and girls use to "seem" all growed up :rolleyes: Unfortunately many don't ever get a clue and figure out that cursing isn't what makes you a grown up. So to many of us this is a request to make a rule change so people can sound MORE like an idiot than they do now. Good luck with that.
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And as far as what attracts who...
Obviously the comm rules of aces high are not attracting new players. Some of you old farts may like it but your herd is thinning out.
And while I'm sharing my feelings, some of you do way too much moral grandstanding.
Quit being a drama queen. (While you grandstand for the 'right' to type vulgarity - now with the argument/inference that it'll attract new players.) :rofl
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And as far as what attracts who...
Obviously the comm rules of aces high are not attracting new players. Some of you old farts may like it but your herd is thinning out.
And while I'm sharing my feelings, some of you do way too much moral grandstanding.
Make your own Aerial Combat Sim and implement whatever "pro benefits" that you think will maintain a competent player base.
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After five pages I think he would have figured it out by now that constant cussing and vulgarity in a game is kind of childish and reeks of not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions.. Seriously its not a problem of cussing in the game I think the problem lies within you feeling like you have cuss in order to make a full sentence when talking, and by you calling the old time players old farts just shows you have no knowledge of what respect means.
You can cuss all you want on your own squad channel want you just keep it there that will make you Happy unless of course your squadmates are sick and tired of hearing your cussing.
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Meh. :lol
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You're the only one making assumptions and you've been grossly incorrect on every single angle. But keep swinging for the fences.
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Swearing show's a lack of vocabulary.
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Swearing show's a lack of vocabulary.
Not swearing shows lack of emotion or a non healthy form of self suppression. Like Mr Flanders in Simpsons who hot diddley-doo's and laughs when he hits his toe.
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Not swearing shows lack of emotion or a non healthy form of self suppression.
May you live long enough and attain enough wisdom in the process to review this post, forever trapped on the internet, and wince. :)
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Again, I suggest that muting require complaints from actual players. So Charly Church assumes that I want everyone to swear a lot.
All I'm saying is that our automatic filters are draconian and it is way too easy to offend the game program (that doesn't even have feelings to hurt).
I'm far from a Charlie church type person but I do have common sense and respect for other players not to cuss like some uneducated fool in a game, sorry you can't seem to wrap your simple mind around that concept.
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May you live long enough and attain enough wisdom in the process to review this post, forever trapped on the internet, and wince. :)
Keep suppressing your emotions and expression due to social pressure. Your heart will thank you later!
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Keep suppressing your emotions and expression due to social pressure. Your heart will thank you later!
That's the first thing my doctor says every visit.
'Are you cussing enough to stay healthy?'
'Not really. I'm a grown-up.'
'You are so gonna die.'
'Someday.'
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Not swearing shows lack of emotion or a non healthy form of self suppression. Like Mr Flanders in Simpsons who hot diddley-doo's and laughs when he hits his toe.
There was the one episode where he snaps and says "ding dong crap". Such potty mouth talk :rofl
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I think I should be allowed to run around naked in public and bang any girl I see who interests me. Who cares if it's someone's wife or daughter. I have expectations. And if someone else has the same expectation at the same time then we fight for it and the winner takes the spoils. And if the Duddly Do Right's don't like seeing it in public then they can look away. No one's forcing them to watch.
We are animals after all right? Most of the animal kingdom is structured this way with few exceptions and it works for them. In fact, being male and the stronger of the species, females should be nothing more than sex slaves and those children that survive should be slave labor until such time as they have the strength to compete or they die. When the old farts are too weak to compete or labor they should be banished to fend for themselves until they die.
Who needs society? I should be able to take whatever I want from anyone weaker than me. We should all live by our own rules and if the Duddly Do Rights don't like it we should kill them. Survival of the fittest and genetically correct propagation of the species should be all that matter. Art, science, technology? Who needs it. And bartering systems! Hah. Give me a break.
Ahh for the days of raw sewage flowing down the streets. Malaria, Diphtheria, Bubonic Plague. Leprosy... those were the days. We should have killed the Duddly Do Right whiners; those weak intellectuals who thought we could advance through collaboration. They ruined it for those of us with expectations that we should be able to do whatever the h*** we want. Frikken church goers and Texans won't even let me swear properly in this thread.
Extreme? Nah. Just making sure I'm not suppressing my inner animal due to societal pressure. I have expectations.
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I think I should be allowed to run around naked in public and bang any girl I see who interests me. Who cares if it's someone's wife or daughter.
Sorry to break it to you but if you won't bang anyone who is the wife or daughter of someone you have no other options except to bang men. :ahand Besides you made a strawman argument, cussing in the heat of battle can't be compared to a sexual assault or running around naked (which by the way is completely ok in my book especially if it's a pretty girl doing that).
It has always been the cause of wonder and ridicule how a society can freak out on showing nipples or bad words in a game which simulates war and killing people. So it's completely ok to blow someones head off repeatedly at 10 years old as long as you don't see any bad words in chat. Riiiighhtt... :bhead
Instead of being uptight and hypocritical / politically correct, the discussion should IMO concentrate on the detrimental aspect for gameplay immersion in general. In battle it was much more likely for someone to swear or beg help from God than discuss politics or how their lawn mower spilled its oil yesterday. So 200 in itself is detrimental if it's not strictly limited to discussion about gameplay.
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Dominance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock :)
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Dominance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rock :)
More like stumbling to strawmen.
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Ripley, your assumption that NOT cussing is a result of repressing emotions is no more than an excuse for poor impulse control, which in itself is an indicator of an anti-social personality. That you advocate for it so strongly is an indicator of an inability to understand normal social behavior and conform to the expected norms. I cuss, unfortunately, in game, and if I get a mute, it's MY OWN FAULT, not some moderator who is doing what he's supposed to do. These whines about moderators and mutes and "we can't cuss like we want to" threads show that the level of maturity in this game is lowering, which is a shame, since one of the things I like about this type sim is the older age of most players. Grow up, look into buying a dictionary and a thesaurus and expand your vocabulary.
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More like stumbling to strawmen.
Huh. Because this:
Not swearing shows lack of emotion or a non healthy form of self suppression.
supposedly isn't?
And now the argument is 'realism', as well.
Pilots in WWII (as today) practiced specific radio terms and procedures both in and out of combat. This was to cut down on confusion and foster efficiency. I've no doubt that some or even most cussed - but it wasn't broadcasted to the rest of the squadron or group. For realism sake, you shouldn't hear a squeaker use colorful language on vox anymore than you should hear a codger go on about what spark plug his mower uses. For realism sake, there shouldn't be a buffer text to type in, at all, and if you didn't have a headset it simulates that your radio is out. Cuss at your walls, if you feel the need for such 'realism.'
You are so not winning this argument over the masses. But then, you can't make a good argument out of a false premise. :aok
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Oh my!!! I think this is a outrage! I think....... :D
Lighten up Semp I am not looking down my nose at ya.
Semp? :D
Don't let your emotions run you over like that. You're confusing the quote and the poster already. Calm down before you bust a vein, man!
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry saw Semp at the bottom there. Some folks put their in game name in that spot. Your rite I need to calm down. I just don't know what to do I am so upset.....hehehhehee
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Pipz is Canadian. There's a 98.6% chance he is never upset.
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I don't see how this helps the business.
I do see how it hurts the business.
I'm in my mid 30's and I feel that Aces High is overly family friendly. I understand that this is Dale's game to do with as he pleases but I don't think that Dale understands that most people outside of Texas like to express themselves at least a little more than we are currently allowed.
I would also like to point out that I have not heard a child's voice in game since about 2010.
I find it ironic that we are encouraged to shoot virtual bullets into virtual pilots but our language can't be any coarser than the word 'Heck or Dang' because that would be obscene.
People who play MMO's have certain expectations, like being able to swear without something equivalent to a nun immediately hitting our hands with a yard stick.
:rofl
Never heard winners* swear in AH, only losers. Win more, swear less. If anyone would want to know how much you suck, he/she could check your stats. No need to hear your obscene whines every single time you get spanked.
* - certain exceptions apply
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Never heard winners* swear in AH, only losers. Win more, swear less. If anyone would want to know how much you suck, he/she could check your stats. No need to hear your obscene whines every single time you get spanked.
* - certain exceptions apply
:old:
Thats more fallacy there.
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Looks like a lot of us (myself included) need to be more careful about following rule #4.
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Thats more fallacy there.
Interesting, over here we call that personal experience with a touch of confirmation bias.
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Thats more fallacy there.
Again, I'm not advocating casual swearing or constant swearing.
Is it really that hard for some of you guys to tolerate the occasional swear word on text?
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Looks like a lot of us (myself included) need to be more careful about following rule #4.
Its a outrage! :D
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An argument is like a debate. When arguing or debating another person you are winning the debate when the other person starts calling you names or is swearing at you. They are frustrated they are losing the fight and without rational thought they break down to base emotion.
Again, I'm not advocating casual swearing or constant swearing.
Is it really that hard for some of you guys to tolerate the occasional swear word on text?
I have tolerated some and so have the mods I think. I have heard someone say Sh*t when they were suddenly killed and thought nothing of it. To get muted you must be a serial offender I think.
Emotion is the Thought killer. Keep a cool head and you may live to fight another dogfight. :salute
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I'm going to try using expletives the same way Maroney (Polish Mob Boss) did in the great movie (Johnny Dangerously).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk
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I'm going to try using expletives the same way Maroney (Polish Mob Boss) did in the great movie (Johnny Dangerously).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk
That guy was really fargin' upset.
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Is it really that hard for some of you guys to tolerate the occasional swear word on text?
Think you have this backwards. It's pretty easy for us to live without the filter making our life 'harder' because we have self control. Like I told Rip, take it up with Dale and he'll set you straight. :)
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Dudley Do-Right, Rob?
I've never acquired a taste for channel 200. I didn't like the tone there.
An overarching issue for this age is the perceived anonymity of the internet. It has created environments where there seems to be no immediate consequence for bad behavior or poor taste. There are potential long-term consequences, but that is another discussion.
Some of us grew up on a steady diet of Civics. There is a notion in it (among many others) that law-enforcement begins with each citizen - not with the police. If a law is unfair, outmoded, or wrong then the majority of citizens will work together to change it. In all aspects of Civics there is an underlying requirement to demonstrate respect for the other citizens. In short form - "Your freedom extends as far as the nose of your neighbor". Dudley Do-Right?
Some of us grew up in military families and/or served in the military. It is a highly evolved community based on respect for the rules. A healthy thing for the group that fights wars to preserve the freedom of all citizens. Dudley Do-Right?
Some of us live in Texas and know that this state reflects the norms of the rest of the country in general terms. Dudley Do-Right? - Not any more or less than in any other state, but it is still a norm in most places I've lived to not swear in front of women and children (a demonstration of lack of self control).
Channel 200 seems to be missing the important factor of respect. Lacking that, it's not worth considering for some of us. If that lack of respect spills into Range or Country, then it needs to be policed (vigorously). There are limits to our liberty. That is a fact. We all have to operate within that framework.
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THIS!!!!
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Interesting, over here we call that personal experience with a touch of confirmation bias.
I swore just as much when I was ranked 1 in fighters as I did when I was ranked 500. Your point?
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Your point?
If you consistently get riled up by not having your way in computer game so much you need to offload your frustration, you need professional help, or in your case, you need to learn how to interact in a way which is socially acceptable within that social group. What's OK among drinking buddies in finish sauna may not be appropriate etiquette for large gaming community.
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If you consistently get riled up by not having your way in computer game so much you need to offload your frustration, you need professional help, or in your case, you need to learn how to interact in a way which is socially acceptable within that social group. What's OK among drinking buddies in finish sauna may not be appropriate etiquette for large gaming community.
You have some serious reading comprehension problems there. I don't even play the game anymore, I'm talking about the principle of nannying grown up subscribers.
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I don't even play the game anymore ...
Which makes your kibitzing the forum in support of Rob's typing himself into a squelch and attempting to stir up support of unfettered poo typing all the more pitiful. I'd suggest finding a new hobby if all you can manage to do with the old one is to hang out on the board and look for reasons to add a non-player voice to nonsensical criticisms. No offense. :)
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Which makes your kibitzing the forum in support of Rob's typing himself into a squelch and attempting to stir up support of unfettered poo typing all the more pitiful. I'd suggest finding a new hobby if all you can manage to do with the old one is to hang out on the board and look for reasons to add a non-player voice to nonsensical criticisms. No offense. :)
You can keep your advice to yourself, I will continue to do exactly what I want. And for petes sake get off your moral high horse already. People like you usually have the worst skeletons in their closets when the truth gets revealed lol. 'Gotta keep civil so nobody gets to know'.
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You can keep your advice to yourself, I will continue to do exactly what I want. And for petes sake get off your moral high horse already. People like you usually have the worst skeletons in their closets when the truth gets revealed lol. 'Gotta keep civil so nobody gets to know'.
:airplane: I think everyone needs to remember one "golden rule" of life: "Do unto to others as you would have them do unto you"! And here is more "free" advice, God gave us two ears and one mouth, so we are supposed to listen twice as much as we talk!
My new years pledge: "If one more woman comes into to my house and hides everthing to where I can't find it, I'm locking my front door!
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Again, I'm not advocating casual swearing or constant swearing.
Is it really that hard for some of you guys to tolerate the occasional swear word on text?
What are you advocating?
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For all you moralists who slander and attack others who have differing opinions: What happened to your countrys 1st amendment? Is it no longer allowed to express your opinions? More interestingly, don't you think your own slander and libel break the very morals you try to fight for? Even the biblical ones? :D
You're acting like me posting my opposing opinion would somehow end the world or make Dale remove his language filter lol. Get a grip, grow up. I'm not saying that shouting obscenities to public channel is somehow necessary or even wanted, I'm just criticising the methods and criteria used AND especially the severity of response a couple written words seem to ignite in certain individuals.
My opinion still is that CH200 in itself is detrimental as long as it allows non-game talk. OTOH anyone worried about corrupting their mind with banter can already de-tune 200 end of story. I seriously don't understand though why HTC has failed to implement a permanent player squelch feature that's been requested for years and years. This would be a much better approach IMO than nannying everyone with automatic filters that sometimes limit regular talk annoyingly not to mention the secret Gestapo of moderators online lol. When you give this sort of power of censorship to people you open a Pandoras box of potential problems such as the moderator abusing his powers (which is apparently happening frequently).
In my opinion a bad word here and there is much smaller of a problem than having the text buffer fill up with chat that is non WW2 related. By the way: If your children do not know the swear words used, they won't understand their meaning in text buffer anyway. If they know what they mean doesn't it mean that they're permanently corrupt already? :D
I never understood people who want to enclose their children in a cocoon and pretend the world is something it isn't. Whenever my children see nasty stuff written or happen, I just explain to them that this is what stupid people do and it doesn't mean that they should ever do so or stuff like that should ever happen to them. Kids need to know what's going on, what to avoid and how to react. If you keep your child in a cotton ball untill the child goes to college, what do you think will happen? Internet porn, sexual experimentation, parties with substance abuse, bad words, violence, political talk... etc etc will hit your poor child like an atom bomb the second he/she steps out of the cocoon of your house. Then because you didn't teach your girl about sex, she gets knocked up on her first year and becomes a house mom lol. WTG!
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For all you moralists who slander and attack others who have differing opinions: What happened to your countrys 1st amendment? Is it no longer allowed to express your opinions? More interestingly, don't you think your own slander and libel break the very morals you try to fight for? Even the biblical ones? :D
You're acting like me posting my opposing opinion would somehow end the world or make Dale remove his language filter lol. Get a grip, grow up. I'm not saying that shouting obscenities to public channel is somehow necessary or even wanted, I'm just criticising the methods and criteria used AND especially the severity of response a couple written words seem to ignite in certain individuals.
My opinion still is that CH200 in itself is detrimental as long as it allows non-game talk. OTOH anyone worried about corrupting their mind with banter can already de-tune 200 end of story. I seriously don't understand though why HTC has failed to implement a permanent player squelch feature that's been requested for years and years. This would be a much better approach IMO than nannying everyone with automatic filters that sometimes limit regular talk annoyingly not to mention the secret Gestapo of moderators online lol. When you give this sort of power of censorship to people you open a Pandoras box of potential problems such as the moderator abusing his powers (which is apparently happening frequently).
In my opinion a bad word here and there is much smaller of a problem than having the text buffer fill up with chat that is non WW2 related. By the way: If your children do not know the swear words used, they won't understand their meaning in text buffer anyway. If they know what they mean doesn't it mean that they're permanently corrupt already? :D
I never understood people who want to enclose their children in a cocoon and pretend the world is something it isn't. Whenever my children see nasty stuff written or happen, I just explain to them that this is what stupid people do and it doesn't mean that they should ever do so or stuff like that should ever happen to them. Kids need to know what's going on, what to avoid and how to react. If you keep your child in a cotton ball untill the child goes to college, what do you think will happen? Internet porn, sexual experimentation, parties with substance abuse, bad words, violence, political talk... etc etc will hit your poor child like an atom bomb the second he/she steps out of the cocoon of your house. Then because you didn't teach your girl about sex, she gets knocked up on her first year and becomes a house mom lol. WTG!
The issue is that HTC has decided this is going to be a 'family friendly" game and so it is their responsibility to set it up so that it is. This means filters, mods, and the ability for players to report issues. They have done so. By agreeing with the "rules" when you started playing the game you also agree to the methods they use and must play/operate with in those areas. If you don't want to, you can stop payment and leave at any time.
It is HTC's playground and you must play by those rules.
As to being attacked, maybe your being a bit too sensitive. It's seems more like your position is being debated and people are trying to show you the error of your thinking.... which is well off the topic of this thread.
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You can keep your advice to yourself, I will continue to do exactly what I want. And for petes sake get off your moral high horse already. People like you usually have the worst skeletons in their closets when the truth gets revealed lol. 'Gotta keep civil so nobody gets to know'.
Huh. The only posters injecting 'morality' into the thread are you and Rob. The rest of us have really been talking abut maturity. If you're confused about those two words:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/morality
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maturity
(Please take note of the example given on definition 1 for maturity.)
And, lighten up, Francis. :D
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Huh. The only posters injecting 'morality' into the thread are you and Rob. The rest of us have really been talking abut maturity. If you're confused about those two words:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/morality
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maturity
(Please take note of the example given on definition 1 for maturity.)
And, lighten up, Francis. :D
Please spare me your words, the slander was quite enough so you can stop there.
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Please spare me your words, the slander was quite enough so you can stop there.
Slander? *chuckle* Mmmmmmok.
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"you moralists" - "Dudley Do-Right" - "Charley Church"
I don't understand the need to hang these kinds of labels on people who seek something which requires a little bit more of themselves than simply "existing".
Aspiration. Because people are weak they aspire to be stronger. Aspiration is the characteristic that differentiates one from the other.
None of us are perfect and the easy path is always a temptation, but we can always aspire to be 'better'.
My father-in-law is as raw-boned a Texan as I've ever met. He teaches this - "Walk a straight line". I've heard that, or versions of it, from a number of country folk here. This is as simple a handle you could put on aspiration. It underlines the notion that respect has value and must be earned.
The 1st Amendment to the US Constitution is unique in the world, I think. It protects US citizens from the crime of sedition which is a staple (and catch-all) in most countries. It empowers us to speak our minds and to discern from what we hear or read that which has value and that which does not. In the face of terrorism, it could become a relic. That would be an epic tragedy.
I think HTC has to monitor and correct the behavior here even in the face of what MMO patrons expect. By providing in-game communications and forums they have accepted that responsibility. Ultimately it is for the 'greater good'. I am surprised, frankly, that they provide it at all. It is expensive (in terms of time) and in many ways risks their brand with regard to new customers. Like it or not, that is my opinion.
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Slander? *chuckle* Mmmmmmok.
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Yes your words were literally slanderous and belittling. The fact that I have more liberal views than you does not give you the right to attack me like that. To me it seems you do not follow what you try to teach lol.
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Yes your words were literally slanderous and belittling. The fact that I have more liberal views than you does not give you the right to attack me like that. To me it seems you do not follow what you try to teach lol.
Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly comin' to a middle. :D
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Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly comin' to a middle.
You guys are feeding the troll.
In fact, he's having a surf and turf dinner at the Four Seasons, the way this is going.
- oldman
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You guys are feeding the troll.
In fact, he's having a surf and turf dinner at the Four Seasons, the way this is going.
- oldman
Slander! Outrage! :D
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Once again this one has run it's course and turned into nothing but mud slinging.
HiTech