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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Dimebag on December 27, 2014, 04:18:45 PM
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I have a new rig:
i7 4790 4.0 ghz
single gtx970 4gb
8gb ram
win 7 64bit
evga 750w power supply
1tb
128gb apotop sats 3 6.0gb SSD
(if more computer info would help, let me know and I will get it)
and a new monitor 1920x1080 @ 60hz
and at times the game drags---clicking fields takes a second or two to load and move you there, FR drops from 59 on the runway alone to low 30s when fires/smoke/lots of users are near by. maybe lower, I just haven't seen it. it gets really crappy and very noticeable.
my internet sucks at home. we have dsl but my DL and UL is ridiculously slow. 3.5 mbps down and .50 up. yes, point five zero
could the suckfest internet cause drag and sub par frames? it doesn't seem like it would but that's why im here asking. I just got this computer 3 weeks ago and am extremely unimpressed with it. I came from a 2 core and a 9500gt with no eye candy on just to run the game without chopping to above and just thought this new rig would be perfect...thought I should have NO problem running full graphics and that's just not the case. and I think with what I have I should be able to run full graphics, maybe im wrong and am here to figure that out.
I did manage to get a virus (off a link on this site while trying to download sounds) after the computer was only a week old. I have since removed it but don't know if that could have done damage or is still somehow effecting my graphics..
any help is appreciated
dime
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Internet doesn't play any part in FPS. I have a 0.5 (at best) MB/s download speed and I can still play pretty much any game at 60FPS.
Are you by any chance turning that reflective skin option up? If I remember correctly even having that up 1 notch uses up a TON of video power.
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What do your background running processes look like?
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You might want to start here: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,68316.0.html
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Dimebag, got a single 970 also, my settings graphic wise are:
Environment map - set to None.
Smooth Shadow - disabled
Other than that, everything else is on, and I get a fr of 60 consistently - my machine is using a 1st gen i7, so not quite as powerful as yours.
hope this helps.
Wurz
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Most obvious culprits have been brought up, so this is more like a sum up:
You said you had a virus which you got rid of. It can be possible that you have other kinds of malware which don't fall into the virus category but still can use resources in a way that can cause symptoms of the type you've described. Your background processes might show some of them as Scotch suggested. In a clean install of Windows 7 there should be about 40 processes running, +/-5 depending on the antivirus you're using. If you have automatic updates on for your <brand> computer, printer, FlashPlayer, Adobe Reader, Adobe Air, Java, Google, Antivirus, Windows there's constantly something using your computer and connection to other purposes than the game you want to play, causing slowdowns and hiccups.
Your internet is perfectly good for AH if it's stable. AH is built so that you can play it with a dialup modem which has a maximum speed of .056 mbps both ways. Of course if your family members are constantly downloading small irregular packages like watching YouTube while you're playing it will affect the stability of your connection, especially if you're all using WiFi. In any case a cable connecting your computer to the router is more reliable than wlan. Other than that, look at the ling BaldEagl suggested.
As Wurz and Latrobe said, the reflections will eat your video card alive. The environment map slider is the major resource hog. Set it to None for fighting, use it if you want to make a film about the cockpit.
Yet one thing that hasn't been mentioned: Disable Power Management for your USB devices. If you have a delay when clicking a field on the clipboard map it may be due to Windows having shut down your USB mouse because of it being unused for several minutes!
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hopefully the new AH will make good use of monster PC's cause right now it's just wasted money.
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If your framerates suck with that setup you have something seriously wrong going there. Turn off the environmental reflections slider it only eats up resources and gives practically no visual improvement in the game.
If I were you I would do a total reinstall of windows after a virus infection. You may think you got rid of it - stress the word think.
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thanks for all the replies
latrobe's slider trick did good. I was on full and turned it off and things seem a lot smoother now.
I just turned the computer on for the first time today and have 70-75 processes running, and of those there's about 30 listed on the slider.
cpu usage 3%
physical memory 23%
so reinstall windows? or is there any other fix for this
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I closed ie and dropped to 67 processes
0%
and 20%
if that matters
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As MrRipley said, a total clean reinstall is the fool proof way to get rid of all viruses. There's many types of viruses, though, most of stuff called viruses are more annoying than really harmful - the most dangerous viruses being so highly optimized they shouldn't affect your gameplay at all!
As for your background processes, could you send us a copy of the list? One easy way is to use the Command Prompt, or Run or even the Search Box in the Start menu right above the Start Orb, simply copying and pasting the following line:
wmic /output:%userprofile%\desktop\process.txt process get description,executablepath
The result will be a text file containing your process information, which you can then copy here.
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As MrRipley said, a total clean reinstall is the fool proof way to get rid of all viruses. There's many types of viruses, though, most of stuff called viruses are more annoying than really harmful - the most dangerous viruses being so highly optimized they shouldn't affect your gameplay at all!
As for your background processes, could you send us a copy of the list? One easy way is to use the Command Prompt, or Run or even the Search Box in the Start menu right above the Start Orb, simply copying and pasting the following line:
wmic /output:%userprofile%\desktop\process.txt process get description,executablepath
The result will be a text file containing your process information, which you can then copy here.
I also have 72 processes running. Here is my list:
Description ExecutablePath
System Idle Process
System
smss.exe
csrss.exe
wininit.exe
csrss.exe
winlogon.exe
services.exe
lsass.exe
lsm.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
MsMpEng.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
spoolsv.exe
svchost.exe
officeclicktorun.exe
HPSIsvc.exe
IpOverUsbSvc.exe
CommandService.exe
mfds.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
lservnt.exe
taskhost.exe C:\Windows\system32\taskhost.exe
sqlwriter.exe
svchost.exe
taskeng.exe C:\Windows\system32\taskeng.exe
mfcesd.exe
taskeng.exe
itype.exe C:\Program Files\Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard Center\itype.exe
ipoint.exe C:\Program Files\Microsoft Mouse and Keyboard Center\ipoint.exe
dwm.exe C:\Windows\system32\Dwm.exe
Core Temp.exe
explorer.exe C:\Windows\Explorer.EXE
RAVCpl64.exe C:\Program Files\Realtek\Audio\HDA\RAVCpl64.exe
msseces.exe C:\Program Files\Microsoft Security Client\msseces.exe
SkyDrive.exe C:\Users\Admin\AppData\Local\Microsoft\SkyDrive\SkyDrive.exe
googledrivesync.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Drive\googledrivesync.exe
SpyderUtility.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Datacolor\Spyder4Pro\Utility\SpyderUtility.exe
ONENOTEM.EXE C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Office\Office14\ONENOTEM.EXE
IAStorIcon.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Intel\Intel(R) Rapid Storage Technology\IAStorIcon.exe
Monitor.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\LeapFrog\LeapFrog Connect\Monitor.exe
jusched.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jusched.exe
googledrivesync.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Google\Drive\googledrivesync.exe
SLSTaskbar.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\SLSTaskbar.exe
SLSTaskbar64.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\SLSTaskbar64.exe
CSISYNCCLIENT.EXE C:\PROGRA~2\COMMON~1\MICROS~1\OFFICE15\CSISYN~1.EXE
SearchIndexer.exe
NisSrv.exe
svchost.exe
svchost.exe
wmpnetwk.exe
svchost.exe
armsvc.exe
svchost.exe
IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe
svchost.exe
jucheck.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Java\Java Update\jucheck.exe
atiesrxx.exe
atieclxx.exe
TrustedInstaller.exe
MOM.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\MOM.exe
CCC.exe C:\Program Files (x86)\AMD\ATI.ACE\Core-Static\CCC.exe
audiodg.exe
taskeng.exe
WmiPrvSE.exe
palemoon.exe C:\Program Files\Pale Moon\palemoon.exe
cmd.exe C:\Windows\system32\cmd.exe
conhost.exe C:\Windows\system32\conhost.exe
WMIC.exe C:\Windows\System32\Wbem\WMIC.exe
SearchProtocolHost.exe
SearchFilterHost.exe
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The executable path was missing on several key processes which are commonly used as virus names. Try running the Nod32 online scan for starters: http://www.eset.com/int/home//products/online-scanner/
Also your explorer.exe filename seems a bit weird, try starting cmd with administrator rights and run sfc /scannow
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As MrRipley suggests, run a scan for a "second opinion" to find out your computer's health. It never hurts to do so.
As for your list, I couldn't find anything clearly dangerous, but there were items I'd try to get rid of. Many, possibly most of them can be disabled from their settings or by modifying their installations in Control Panel->Programs and Features (like the ati/AMD controllers, only the drivers are needed). Some of them have to be either disabled or set to manual (which I prefer for functionality) in the Services console. None of the processes I've listed should be needed for playing AH or running Windows, but you should check each for yourself before changing anything permanently. Google is your friend in determining what each of the processes does.
An easy way for testing is to shut them down in the Task Manager: If something goes wrong a reboot will fix it. You can even make a batch file of your preferred list to shut them down prior gaming with one double-click. Here's what I would get rid of in my computer, at least during playing:
armsvc.exe
atieclxx.exe
atiesrxx.exe
CCC.exe
CommandService.exe
Core Temp.exe
CSISYNCCLIENT.EXE
CSISYNCCLIENT.EXE
googledrivesync.exe
googledrivesync.exe
HPSIsvc.exe
IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe
IAStorIcon.exe
ipoint.exe
IpOverUsbSvc.exe
itype.exe
jucheck.exe
jusched.exe
lservnt.exe
mfcesd.exe
mfds.exe
MOM.exe
Monitor.exe
officeclicktorun.exe
ONENOTEM.EXE
SearchFilterHost.exe
SearchIndexer.exe
SearchIndexer.exe
SearchProtocolHost.exe
SkyDrive.exe
SLSTaskbar.exe
SLSTaskbar.exe
SLSTaskbar64.exe
SLSTaskbar64.exe
SpyderUtility.exe
sqlwriter.exe
@MrRipley, explorer.EXE looks exactly the same in my list. For some reason especially Microsoft programs have capital lettering in odd places. It might be an accidental caps lock while saving, no one caring enough to fix it. Run the script I provided in your computer for reference.
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As MrRipley suggests, run a scan for a "second opinion" to find out your computer's health. It never hurts to do so.
As for your list, I couldn't find anything clearly dangerous, but there were items I'd try to get rid of. Many, possibly most of them can be disabled from their settings or by modifying their installations in Control Panel->Programs and Features (like the ati/AMD controllers, only the drivers are needed). Some of them have to be either disabled or set to manual (which I prefer for functionality) in the Services console. None of the processes I've listed should be needed for playing AH or running Windows, but you should check each for yourself before changing anything permanently. Google is your friend in determining what each of the processes does.
An easy way for testing is to shut them down in the Task Manager: If something goes wrong a reboot will fix it. You can even make a batch file of your preferred list to shut them down prior gaming with one double-click. Here's what I would get rid of in my computer, at least during playing:
armsvc.exe
atieclxx.exe
atiesrxx.exe
CCC.exe
CommandService.exe
Core Temp.exe
CSISYNCCLIENT.EXE
CSISYNCCLIENT.EXE
googledrivesync.exe
googledrivesync.exe
HPSIsvc.exe
IAStorDataMgrSvc.exe
IAStorIcon.exe
ipoint.exe
IpOverUsbSvc.exe
itype.exe
jucheck.exe
jusched.exe
lservnt.exe
mfcesd.exe
mfds.exe
MOM.exe
Monitor.exe
officeclicktorun.exe
ONENOTEM.EXE
SearchFilterHost.exe
SearchIndexer.exe
SearchIndexer.exe
SearchProtocolHost.exe
SkyDrive.exe
SLSTaskbar.exe
SLSTaskbar.exe
SLSTaskbar64.exe
SLSTaskbar64.exe
SpyderUtility.exe
sqlwriter.exe
Note that disabling some of these executables lead to losing some keyboard functionality possibly and other side effects. You should probably not have MS SQL server running on your computer in the first place - or are you doing the big boo-boo of using your work computer for games?
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Note that disabling some of these executables lead to losing some keyboard functionality possibly and other side effects. You should probably not have MS SQL server running on your computer in the first place - or are you doing the big boo-boo of using your work computer for games?
It's my home computer. I use Access and Visual Studio for classes, I assume that's why the sql server is running.
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As for your background processes, could you send us a copy of the list? One easy way is to use the Command Prompt, or Run or even the Search Box in the Start menu right above the Start Orb, simply copying and pasting the following line:
wmic /output:%userprofile%\desktop\process.txt process get description,executablepath
when I do this in the cmd box, it says file invalid
when I paste this in the search box, the cmd box flashes up on the screen then immediately goes away and that's all that happens
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when I do this in the cmd box, it says file invalid
when I paste this in the search box, the cmd box flashes up on the screen then immediately goes away and that's all that happens
Funny, it works in my computer any way I can figure out to run it. Tried five so far.
When you paste in the search box, you should see the same line with an icon in the Results section. Right click it and choose "Run as administrator", the cmd box should flash and immediately go away and the result should be a text file named "process.txt" on your Desktop. I get the same result both with normal and elevated privileges, but I'm logged in as an admin. Win7 64 bit here.
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Those of you running ATI cards. You can shutdown the two processes MOM and CCC, after you get everything configured. Put a link to the executable on your desktop and start it when you need to make changes.
Also, there is no reason for the "ju*.*" programs to run all the time. Those are the Java schedulers and updater. No need to for those to run but once a day, if then.
We run our Windows 7 boxes pretty clean here. Process list is around 40, or so.
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Funny, it works in my computer any way I can figure out to run it. Tried five so far.
When you paste in the search box, you should see the same line with an icon in the Results section. Right click it and choose "Run as administrator", the cmd box should flash and immediately go away and the result should be a text file named "process.txt" on your Desktop. I get the same result both with normal and elevated privileges, but I'm logged in as an admin. Win7 64 bit here.
lol nuts
when I paste in search, then right click, run as admin, the cmd box pops up and has wmic:root\cli>
but still, no text icon on desktop, or documents, nowhere that I see
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when I do this in the cmd box, it says file invalid
when I paste this in the search box, the cmd box flashes up on the screen then immediately goes away and that's all that happens
same for me and I have win7 64 and run as admin
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It worked perfectly for me W7 64bit
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lol nuts
when I paste in search, then right click, run as admin, the cmd box pops up and has wmic:root\cli>
but still, no text icon on desktop, or documents, nowhere that I see
You can try by replacing %userprofile% with the actual address, like wmic /output:C:\users\yourname\desktop\process.txt process get description,executablepath
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same for me and I have win7 64 and run as admin
And you did check your desktop for a mysterious process text file afterwards? Are you the kind that has 100 icons on the desktop perhaps? :)
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a google search indicates that your processes ATIERXX and ATIECLSS are AMD programs, and AITECLSS is specifically associated with ATI video cards. You may want to go into services and review (and likely disable) both of these.
Mike
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Instead of disabling services I prefer to set them to manual unless I know for certain they're not needed. Moreover instead of disabling something I'd rather not install it at the first place like all that ATI/AMD stuff. If and when I have to install something, I'll look through its settings to uncheck all automatic behaviour, be it starting along with Windows or checking for updates every hour. Disabling a service or a startup item should be the last option to use. With that method I can keep the functionality of a "standard" home computer without having extra stuff running in the background. That also gives me the opportunity to let other people test the functionality of any updates.
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In most cases disabling ATI processes will only create problems for you. There's no magic fountain of performance found in disabling processes that the manufacturer saw necessary.
Nowadays I don't even try to tweak my gaming computers. If it doesn't run fast enough at default settings, time to upgrade the hardware. If you can't afford to upgrade your hardware every 5-6 years then its better to ditch the PC and move to consoles.
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The ATI CCC and MOM processes can cost you, up to, about 10% of your video card's potential performance. It creates no problems in killing them. The card config is stored on the video card hardware, once saved.
The only time you need these programs is when you want to change the configuration of your video card.
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And you did check your desktop for a mysterious process text file afterwards? Are you the kind that has 100 icons on the desktop perhaps? :)
I have about 40 icons, but on a 39 inch screen it is easy to spot a new one popping up, so no there wasn't a text file sitting on my desktop. :P
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You can try by replacing %userprofile% with the actual address, like wmic /output:C:\users\yourname\desktop\process.txt process get description,executablepath
still same thing
cmd box pops up then goes right away
no new icons
I only have 10, not 100 lol
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In most cases disabling ATI processes will only create problems for you. There's no magic fountain of performance found in disabling processes that the manufacturer saw necessary.
Nowadays I don't even try to tweak my gaming computers. If it doesn't run fast enough at default settings, time to upgrade the hardware. If you can't afford to upgrade your hardware every 5-6 years then its better to ditch the PC and move to consoles.
But according to his hardware specs, he doesn't HAVE an ATI video card- he's got a (nVidia) GTX 970. He may have had an ATI card at one point, but as of now he's got at least one service running for a video card that is not installed in his computer, and may well be conflicting with the card that he does have installed.
Mike
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But according to his hardware specs, he doesn't HAVE an ATI video card- he's got a (nVidia) GTX 970. He may have had an ATI card at one point, but as of now he's got at least one service running for a video card that is not installed in his computer, and may well be conflicting with the card that he does have installed.
Mike
In that case shutting down processes is not what he should do, he should uninstall both the ATI and NVIDIA drivers via the control panel and run driver cleaner. Then reinstall the NVidia drivers.
Actually now that I looked again it seems he hasn't installed NVidia display drivers at all! No wonder his performance sucks lol.
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The ATI CCC and MOM processes can cost you, up to, about 10% of your video card's potential performance.
Do you have a link to benchmarks proving this? I personally have not detected any benefit whatsoever in killing these processes, which as you know also run on CPU not on the GPU.
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Do you have a link to benchmarks proving this? I personally have not detected any benefit whatsoever in killing these processes, which as you know also run on CPU not on the GPU.
ATI and NVidia both alter how they run when they detect any standard benchmark being run. They have been doing that for many years.
Yes, they run on the CPU and monitor the video card constantly. They used to chew up about 15% of the performance, but ATI/AMD has improved that. Now it is down to about 10%. Depending on what you are doing you may, or may not, notice the performance loss. Regardless, any program running on the CPU also impedes video card performance when the CPU is needed to be able to send the data to the video card but is too busy running the Windows message loop for all those programs. Simple logic should be your guide here.
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ATI and NVidia both alter how they run when they detect any standard benchmark being run. They have been doing that for many years.
Yes, they run on the CPU and monitor the video card constantly. They used to chew up about 15% of the performance, but ATI/AMD has improved that. Now it is down to about 10%. Depending on what you are doing you may, or may not, notice the performance loss. Regardless, any program running on the CPU also impedes video card performance when the CPU is needed to be able to send the data to the video card but is too busy running the Windows message loop for all those programs. Simple logic should be your guide here.
Having 10% overhead on simple monitoring defies my logic Skuzzy. Something must be horribly wrong if this is true. It should count maybe 0.10% of resources and even then be impressively heavy. This should be fairly simple to test. If I have a system that gives me 100 fps with CCC etc. enabled and I get 101-109fps after disabling them, it's clear that those processes were hogging the power. I think I'll perform a test using AH and vsync off using my old AMD card actually.
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It was not my intent to infer the Windows message loop would cause the loss in performance. While it eats away at the CPU cycles, the real loss is due to the CCC/MOM executables continuously poking the video card which inhibits data transfers.
The amount of loss will vary, based on what is running and how it is using the video card. Standard benchmarks are worthless for this. Anything from 0% to 10% can be expected.
I expect you to not find any loss, whatsoever. It will not surprise me. Leave them running, if you want. It does not hurt to kill them and it might just help if they are not running. No downsides.
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Having 10% overhead on simple monitoring defies my logic Skuzzy. Something must be horribly wrong if this is true. It should count maybe 0.10% of resources and even then be impressively heavy. This should be fairly simple to test. If I have a system that gives me 100 fps with CCC etc. enabled and I get 101-109fps after disabling them, it's clear that those processes were hogging the power. I think I'll perform a test using AH and vsync off using my old AMD card actually.
That would be interesting. It's been common knowledge for years that the Catalyst Control Center is a resource hog and you're the first one to ever question and test it.
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That would be interesting. It's been common knowledge for years that the Catalyst Control Center is a resource hog and you're the first one to ever question and test it.
The problem with testing it, is you have to have a complete understanding of the process used in the test, and it cannot be a standard benchmark, as the programs are aware of those.
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That would be interesting. It's been common knowledge for years that the Catalyst Control Center is a resource hog and you're the first one to ever question and test it.
This is even more interesting. So everyone just believes it's a resource hog and nobody bothered to even test it? LOL! Now I know why people believe in Santa Claus.... ho ho ho! :old:
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This is even more interesting. So everyone just believes it's a resource hog and nobody bothered to even test it? LOL! Now I know why people believe in Santa Claus.... ho ho ho! :old:
Back in the day, when CCC was released it created a storm of complaints due to the performance killing aspects of it. AMD/ATI acknowledged the problems and worked to reduce the performance loss. No one, "just believes" the problem exists. It has been a well known issue with CCC since it was released.
Go visit the AMD/ATI forums. Should be a few hundred threads about it, including AMD/ATI acknowledging the issues.
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This is even more interesting. So everyone just believes it's a resource hog and nobody bothered to even test it? LOL! Now I know why people believe in Santa Claus.... ho ho ho! :old:
What Skuzzy said. It's been a known resource hog since its release. It would be interesting to see how well AMD/ATI has managed to streamline it.
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What Skuzzy said. It's been a known resource hog since its release. It would be interesting to see how well AMD/ATI has managed to streamline it.
Actually I just realized my son has a computer with a 5850 in it, I can simply try to disable the processes and see what happens with AH framerates/smoothness.
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I sure hope Dimebag uninstalled his ATI drivers and installed the Nvidia drivers by the way.
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I sure hope Dimebag uninstalled his ATI drivers and installed the Nvidia drivers by the way.
he never had ati drivers. I have ati, he has nvidia.
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Actually I just realized my son has a computer with a 5850 in it, I can simply try to disable the processes and see what happens with AH framerates/smoothness.
I have an Intel E8400 @ 3GHz with an ATI 7870 at stock rates under Win XP. All AH graphics settings maxed except Environment slider, water reflections, and building bump mapping off. Offline test on CraterMA at A1 in F3 external tower view looking E, vsync off.
MOM and CCC running (total of 33 proc): 63.5 fps (oscillates between 63 and 64)
MOM and CCC killed (total of 31 proc): 63.5 fps
However, on my system AH is CPU limited not GPU limited. AH pegs one core at 100% and the other core loafs at about 15% while the GPU utilization is pretty low (can't remember but it's like 25% or less).
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he never had ati drivers. I have ati, he has nvidia.
yes, dimebag cant figure out how to show you my process.... me dum dum
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To learn how to cut down on processes running in the backround, go to Black Viper's website.
http://www.blackviper.com/ (http://www.blackviper.com/)
When I turn on my computer, Win XP Pro sp3, there are 49 processes running.
When I start AH I have reduced that to 17.
LtngRydr