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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Lusche on January 09, 2015, 09:45:28 PM
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Look, the AA factory is flashing, a NOE raider must be inbound:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/havenodar2_zps55c1a95f.jpg)
And here he is about 1.5 minutes later, just before dropping on the factory:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/havenodar1_zps7bbde3d9.jpg)
Wait, 8.4k and no darbar? Yes, no darbar until he got in visual range. Obviously he had approach the factory NOE and then popped up, but it actually takes almost 4.5 minutes(!) to do that, all of this time without any darbar.
If you are an avid buff hunter strat defender, you will probably have run into this thing before, upping for suspected noe buffs then seeing them high above you (I ran into 15K 'NOE' B-24s before). Very often a few players spotted a darbar, while most others never did.
How does this happen? I don't know for sure, but it it's not always linked to offmap flying (see bug section about that).
What can you do about it? After accidentally getting this PM some time ago after a similar incident (.r feature has it's drawbacks ;) )
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/message_zps55c15dba.jpg)
I found that relogging between sorties can really work. More than once I saw a darbar in region that had been totally empty before, while other players being in the arena for a long time still don't see any.
So to keep the playing field somewhat level, I recommend occasional relogging (unless, of course, you are not interested in strat defense anyway). I'm not sure if it works in all similar cases like this one (may be very different things causing it), but it definitely has unveiled the occasional 'invisible' bomber above NOE level.
Happy hunting, everybody :old:
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SPIEZ! TARDZ! HAKKZORZ!
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:lol The epic "Snailman vs Havermyr" vendetta goes on.
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Not sure Snailman, but you could also read something else into that PM, such as they have discovered a repeatable bug and are keeping it under wraps to use it rather than report it and see it fixed.
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So it is a glitch that has been and still is "working"?
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:lol The epic "Snailman vs Havermyr" vendetta goes on.
What vendetta? :huh
And I don't see any fun in this bug
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So it is a glitch that has been and still is "working"?
The faulty radar bars have been reported a lot of times by a lot of people over at least 4 years. Of course it's difficult to catch something like this on film, as it doesn't show the clipboard and you are often simply surprised by a bomber or fighter suddenly showing up near you at tremendous alttudes without any darbar. Put the reports were plentiful and often quite detailed.
I have myself gotten reports by other players a few times that I suddenly appeared without dar. And while a lot of them very probably simply didn't watch the dadjacent sector darbar, I'm by now convinced that on the screen of some I really didn't made any. Though I don't know why.
I tenatively suspect two or three different reasons with the same result, but I really don't know.
The only fact I know for sure is that relogging between sorties can and will reveal planes that fly over minimum darbar altitude and do not reveal any darbar for whatever reason.
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What is the standard setting of the radar refresh rate in the main arenas? :headscratch:
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What is the standard setting of the radar refresh rate in the main arenas? :headscratch:
RadarUpdateRate is set at 2.
So way shorter a fighter takes to climb to 20k. I also have seen friendly buffs making their way to a strat for two sectors, and when I asked them about their alt they said: 24k. It also doesn't explain bombers that do repeated passes over factories at seemingly NOE altitude, where the terrain would never had allowed this.
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I suspect it is related to the issue where you run into one person at ground level and the next time you see them at altitude they will appear to be NOE again, but then they warp to their true altitude.
Sounds like it needs to be looked at, because as we can see from that PM it's being gamed now.
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RadarUpdateRate is set at 2.
So way shorter a fighter takes to climb to 20k. I also have seen friendly buffs making their way to a strat for two sectors, and when I asked them about their alt they said: 24k. It also doesn't explain bombers that do repeated passes over factories at seemingly NOE altitude, where the terrain would never had allowed this.
CC. Do you know what the sector counter altitude is set at?
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Several of the 56th guys have witnessed enemy AC in a sector with no DARBAR. We had a long discussion over vox trying to understand what was happening (bug or otherwise)
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What vendetta? :huh
And I don't see any fun in this bug
U and Haver have met each other a lot in the skies right? He is a strat raider and u are the one that kills them.
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CC. Do you know what the sector counter altitude is set at?
250ft
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U and Haver have met each other a lot in the skies right? He is a strat raider and u are the one that kills them.
By that definition I would have a 'vendetta' with hundreds of players. ;)
I don't kill folks in AH for personal reasons. It's strictly business: Come after my factories, carriers or bases in bombers and I will try to shoot you. On the other hand, there are lots of players that try to do the same to me.
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No i was kidding, neither u or Haver take this so serious that u make into a personal thing
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While flying with squadmates, sometimes, some of us will have a dar bar and others won't.
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Similarly in scenario's we note that certain squad members ( always the same squad member order regardless of logon sequence) alwAys get darbar updates before others. This difference is upto 20 secs sometimes.
I have todate assumed it's linked either to FE or ISP parameters and the way dar is updated some how being different to e.g. Positions of other players.
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I don't know why it happens, but it does,, Ive seen it for years,, no dar then meet 10k cons,,
One time I was fighting a single pony,,over and over we would merge from opposite bases,, he would never show a dar till he was within sight, then he was at 10 k roughly almost every time!
I have logged on to see dar that then disappeared, I've upped for an NOE bomb raid only to find many cons at high alt and no dar till they are within VFR..
as for Strats like HQTRs they should have their own RDR
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This variation of the darbar bug I captured just recently: See the mission in 7-9-3 which seems to be NOE...
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/missiondarbug1_zps585dcd46.png)
But I knew for sure they weren't, they had already spent a lot of time climbing to altitude. So I quickly relogged and saw this:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/missiondarbug2_zps3f79a9d3.jpg)
What may seem to be mildly irritating when you are on the 'green side' of it, is highly annyoing when that gaggle of bombers suddenly appearing over your base ain't NOE but at 15k
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While flying with squadmates, sometimes, some of us will have a dar bar and others won't.
^^^^
this
2 Sundays ago on a squad run, we were bounced by 2 high enemy in a sector that recorded no dar.
Last Sunday, same conversation, some could see the dar bar, some couldn't.
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Skuzzy, I wonder if this should be moved to the bug report forum if it's not an intended situation.
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This bug has been reported in that forum a lot of times.
The reason I posted it in the General forum is that I'm trying to spread the word about frequent relogging, especially to counter any possible exploits of this bug, feature or whatever we want to call it. That's what my initial post was about.
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This bug has been reported in that forum a lot of times.
The reason I posted it in the General forum is that I'm trying to spread the word about frequent relogging, especially to counter any possible exploits of this bug, feature or whatever we want to call it. That's what my initial post was about.
I understand, and I very much appreciate this information Snail, thank you.
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Wonder if this has anything to do with an issue everyone has experienced in flying in groups on auto pilot. Either during climb out or on level cruise. There are always one or two players who on the exact same power setting and speed as the rest of the group, either fall behind or pull ahead.
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If the server update is set to 2 minutes it probably takes a snapshot every two minutes and seminates the information out to all the players over time. I highly doubt every player client is updated at the same time as that would be a strain on the servers and network. This would create a situation where at any one time each player has a different DAR picture, but it is almost the same within a few minutes. That's what I think anyways.
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I've seen this occur, when flying with my squadmate who lives on the Isle of Man. He regularly gets dar updates before I do in Georgia, USA. It's very aggravating.
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I don't think it is geographically determined, you were just after him on the update list. Or perhaps he was after you? How can you really tell who gets updated first if it is on a cycle?
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Actually, I think it's personal....maybe someone at HTC has a grudge against Georgia? They are in...ugh...Texas, after all. :banana: :bolt:
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Well, there is that... :lol
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If the server update is set to 2 minutes it probably takes a snapshot every two minutes and seminates the information out to all the players over time. I highly doubt every player client is updated at the same time as that would be a strain on the servers and network. This would create a situation where at any one time each player has a different DAR picture, but it is almost the same within a few minutes. That's what I think anyways.
The default roster list "sorts" by name alpha / numerically.............. I wonder ( given your opinion) if this applies to the update order........ and if not what order would apply?
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That's it! I'm changing my name to AAAZoney immediately !
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That's it! I'm changing my name to AAAZoney immediately !
~Zoney would be nearer the top :)
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That's it! I'm changing my name to AAAZoney immediately !
Ah, but looking at it from the other side, your information would be the most out of date toward the end of the cycle. :D
Wiley.
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Sure seems to me this issue has got worse over time. I remember just a year ago the issue wasn't nearly as bad as it is today. I can't complain at all though as I think it adds a curve ball into the games regular routine.
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The default roster list "sorts" by name alpha / numerically.............. I wonder ( given your opinion) if this applies to the update order........ and if not what order would apply?
I would guess you get inserted into the closest frame/spot in the update list when you log in to the arena. After all the map is updated immediately after you log in.
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I would guess you get inserted into the closest frame/spot in the update list when you log in to the arena. After all the map is updated immediately after you log in.
During scenarios I am always near the last in our squad to get a dar update. Particularly noticeable when every one is staring at a darbar waiting for it to move from one sector to another. This late update is consistent every frame. I even know which squaddie to ask because he usually updates first.
I wonder if my habit of entering the SEA early is contributing to this?
Could it be that I randomly always select an update slot ( by my login time) that is latter than the the vast majority of my fellow players.
I always assumed that it was an FE or ISP characteristic ( something unique to me)that was defining this.
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We are just guessing here. It could be anything. However the fact that some people get their maps updated before others is in all likelihood not a bug, but a network/server load leveling feature.