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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: lerxst on January 10, 2015, 10:04:58 PM
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hi guys,just wondering for those of you who may fly them often,if someone were flying a typhy at around the 410 -420 mph range,would it be poss for a spit5 to be able to stay within 800 to 1k of him no matter diving,climbing or turning? thank you
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Which version of the Spit V? LF, HF or F? ;)
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,if someone were flying a typhy at around the 410 -420 mph range,would it be poss for a spit5 to be able to stay within 800 to 1k of him no matter diving,climbing or turning? thank you
I'd think if a Typh would do all that a lot it would probably shed a lot of energy and speed. A Spit V with a good pilot flying calm & steady and a lot of initial E could possibly take advantage of this ...
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hi guys,just wondering for those of you who may fly them often,if someone were flying a typhy at around the 410 -420 mph range,would it be poss for a spit5 to be able to stay within 800 to 1k of him no matter diving,climbing or turning? thank you
So I'm assuming a Spit V shot you down while you were flying a Typhoon at great speed?
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So I'm assuming a Spit V shot you down while you were flying a Typhoon at great speed?
My assumption as well.
See what Lusche said. With a slight alt advantage to start with he could stay with you for much longer than you think.
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Spitfires are Awesome!
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hi guys,just wondering for those of you who may fly them often,if someone were flying a typhy at around the 410 -420 mph range,would it be poss for a spit5 to be able to stay within 800 to 1k of him no matter diving,climbing or turning? thank you
you already know the answer since he was right behind you. yes. it's not really the other guys' speed climb that matter, what matters is how your turn climb or speed your own plane.
semp
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He was probably cutting your corners and taking advantage of the fact that the Spit retains E well whereas a maneuvering Tiffie bleeds E like a pig stuck in the mud.
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pretty much yes i felt like no matter how much i nosed down to pick up speed he just stayed with me.i really noticed it when i would start to turn the stuck in mud feeling i was getting.the spit 5 is a nasty plane! thanks guys :salute
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pretty much yes i felt like no matter how much i nosed down to pick up speed he just stayed with me.
On thing to consider is the warped perception of time you have when a con is on your tail. While a Typh may walk away from a slower plane in a dive in, say, 10 seconds, that 10 seconds are like an eternity when a con is on your tail.
And it's definitely long enough to get shot down.
To illustrate this, here's speed retention test I did between a very fast plane (P-51) and a very slow fighter (Brewster) in a different thread not too long ago. I dove to the deck, leveled out and recorded how quickly both fighters decelerated from the same initial speed:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ponybrewspeed_zps453e8e22.jpg)
As you can see, the Brewster sheds speed rapidly (it's one of the worst planes of our fighter planeset in this regard) but...
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ponybrewcover_zps214ddc6b.jpg)
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ponybrewlead_zpsf8321e7c.jpg)
... you can also see it takes the pony at least 30s to get away far enough from the Brewster. More than enough time to get shot down.
And the Spit V keeps it's speed up better than the Brewster...
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Spitfires are Awesome!
:aok :banana: :salute :rock
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Lusche work on this is an eye opener for sure. I have chased down faster planes in the 38 over a long distance and have been chased down by slower planes.
What you need to work on is a defensive position that can be changed to offense. Me too. Delirum is one of the best in taking a position of disadvantage then turn it to his favor. He trains if his schedule permits. Look him up.
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Spitfires are Awesome!
:rock
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Spitfires are Awesome!
Yea any british person would say that.
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whereas a maneuvering Tiffie bleeds E like a pig stuck in the mud.
:aok
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:salute
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The Spit V will do 500 going straight down......so it is uber and should be perked.... :old:
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hi guys,just wondering for those of you who may fly them often, if someone were flying a typhy at around the 410 -420 mph range,would it be poss for a spit5 to be able to stay within 800 to 1k of him no matter diving,climbing or turning? thank you
Yes absolutely, a Spitfire can saddle up on much faster aircraft including the Typhoon and Tempest and ride their six long enough to get a kill.
This is a well modelled feature of AH and is due to the fact that the Spitfire's performance in a dive was outstanding and superior to many much faster aircraft of that time.
For example, in 1942 trials were conducted at RAE Farnborough to measure the drag and trim changes at high Mach numbers on the P-47, P-51 and Spitfire. The results of the drag measurements between the Mustang and Spitfire are interesting and show that the Spitfire had lower drag from Mach 0.65 upwards. The Mustang had lower drag at all speeds below that, and the P-51's drag bucket and excellent long-range capability occurs at relatively low speed. I have curves taken from that report and the data represents values actually achieved in flight, it shows the Spitfire achieving speeds of Mach 0.9 when flown by Sqn Ldr Tobin, and the Mustang only barely beyond Mach 0.8. That agrees with the often quoted limiting Mach of 0.77 for the P-51. The Spitfire also achieved a speed of Mach 0.9 in the hands of Sqn Ldr Martindale which I have seen quoted as Mach 0.89 in some sources, possibly due to confusion caused by calibration issues with the specially fitted Mach meters. The question, of whether the Spitfire reached Mach 0.89 or Mach 0.9 is not important, the point is, that it was faster than any other aircraft of that time!
The reason for the Spitfire's outstandingly better high Mach number behaviour is due to the fact that it had a thickness to chord ratio of 13 percent, compared to the 16 percent of the Mustang for example. Another major factor here was that the Spitfire remained structurally sound at those speeds and there were only rare incidents involving minor failures. Most notably, the loss of a prop' in one test flown by Sqn Ldr Martindale that did not result in the loss of his aircraft because he managed to land it safely. Other WWII aircraft may have dived faster, but if they did, their pilots and instrumentation did not survive to tell us about it. In one post war flight test another fully instrumented Spitfire entered a dive from high altitude and produced a set of data indicating that a Mach 0.96 dive had occurred with no damage to the Spitfire, however that report is contentious due to the fact that the dive was accidental and there are outstanding questions regarding instrument calibration.
The point is that the Spitfire's strength in a high speed dive in Aces High is accurate. Having said that, as already pointed out by others, good flying technique and gunnery are still required to convert that to a kill.
Badboy
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Yes absolutely, a Spitfire can saddle up on much faster aircraft including the Typhoon and Tempest and ride their six long enough to get a kill.
This is a well modelled feature of AH and is due to the fact that the Spitfire's performance in a dive was outstanding and superior to many much faster aircraft of that time.
For example, in 1942 trials were conducted at RAE Farnborough to measure the drag and trim changes at high Mach numbers on the P-47, P-51 and Spitfire. The results of the drag measurements between the Mustang and Spitfire are interesting and show that the Spitfire had lower drag from Mach 0.65 upwards. The Mustang had lower drag at all speeds below that, and the P-51's drag bucket and excellent long-range capability occurs at relatively low speed. I have curves taken from that report and the data represents values actually achieved in flight, it shows the Spitfire achieving speeds of Mach 0.9 when flown by Sqn Ldr Tobin, and the Mustang only barely beyond Mach 0.8. That agrees with the often quoted limiting Mach of 0.77 for the P-51. The Spitfire also achieved a speed of Mach 0.9 in the hands of Sqn Ldr Martindale which I have seen quoted as Mach 0.89 in some sources, possibly due to confusion caused by calibration issues with the specially fitted Mach meters. The question, of whether the Spitfire reached Mach 0.89 or Mach 0.9 is not important, the point is, that it was faster than any other aircraft of that time!
The reason for the Spitfire's outstandingly better high Mach number behaviour is due to the fact that it had a thickness to chord ratio of 13 percent, compared to the 16 percent of the Mustang for example. Another major factor here was that the Spitfire remained structurally sound at those speeds and there were only rare incidents involving minor failures. Most notably, the loss of a prop' in one test flown by Sqn Ldr Martindale that did not result in the loss of his aircraft because he managed to land it safely. Other WWII aircraft may have dived faster, but if they did, their pilots and instrumentation did not survive to tell us about it. In one post war flight test another fully instrumented Spitfire entered a dive from high altitude and produced a set of data indicating that a Mach 0.96 dive had occurred with no damage to the Spitfire, however that report is contentious due to the fact that the dive was accidental and there are outstanding questions regarding instrument calibration.
The point is that the Spitfire's strength in a high speed dive in Aces High is accurate. Having said that, as already pointed out by others, good flying technique and gunnery are still required to convert that to a kill.
Badboy
:salute :rock