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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SFRT - Frenchy on January 13, 2015, 12:02:39 AM
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She looks i n s a n e ... I would have never guessed it was a Ford. :O
http://youtu.be/nMD3Vu3xL-c (http://youtu.be/nMD3Vu3xL-c)
Not much Ford GT-ish, definitely supercar.
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Sad they went with a V-6...but at least it is twin turbo'd. :confused:
V-8 twinned would have been nasty, but heavier...
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I was surprised too, but nowadays having a V8 doesnt mean 'Im the big dawg in the street' no more, and definitely not at the road racetrack. Then when you start to factor earth friendly stuffs, it's all over.
We live in confusing times, my 300HP Charger V6 feels like my co-worker's V8 Charger that feels like my father in law 4 cylinder Ford Fusion Titanium. :lol
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:aok
love it
http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2015/01/12/5-hot-cars-at-detroit-auto-show/?intcmp=bigtopmarketfeaturesside
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Heh, I came here to post this, Frenchy you beat me to it.
Weight is SO much better than HP - I like Alfa's new 4C this year, the missus is looking to upgrade her 5 year old Nissan GTR this spring - great car because it's light. I'm a believer in both power/tq/weight chopping, but chopping weight just has this effect that is hard to verbalize.
Ford has done this with it's entire performance line up. 500lb, which is huge, has been chopped from their Raptor truck. Same thing with the 350GT Mustang, which having less power will be faster than the GT500 due to - less weight.
Now the GT. If ever there has been a car I've been waiting for, I think this may be it. I'm hoping pricing will be less than the mid 2000s GT Ford made, have to wait and see I guess. Ford has stated firmly that it'll have the best power/weight ratio of any super car available in the USA - very bold words. If that ends up being true...it may be "the" car of the decade IMO.
It's a great time for petrolheads, technology is incredible in the new vehicles. The Raptor truck has an insane amount of tech in it - a 10 speed transmission, active suspension/awd condition sensing computers, a 360 camera system - we replace our Duramax every 4 years or so, our 08 and 2012 were very similar, and the next one would be number 4, but with diesel pricing being ridiculous up here in Canada, not towing often anymore, and the missus doing most of the driving, she is campaigning hard for the Raptor, and I think she may get her way. I've never been a "Ford" guy, we owned a Mustang GT500 for a short period of time, and that's been about it. That may changed drastically, so very impressed with Ford as a company lately in many respects, and their new models have me considering jumping ship so far as trucks go.
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It looks like a love child of Ferrari and Lamborghini from the side. I'm not sure I like the vents on the hood, really don't like the gull wing doors. Other than those two gripes, it's not a bad looking car.
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It looks like a love child of Ferrari and Lamborghini from the side. I'm not sure I like the vents on the hood, really don't like the gull wing doors. Other than those two gripes, it's not a bad looking car.
Lol, so you're not a big fan is what your 'sayin.
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I'm not much of a Ford fan in general. They build great cars (for the most part), I'm just not much of a fan.
That being said, when the doors are closed on this one, it looks fantastic. I don't like gull wing doors on anything regardless of what it is. The doors on this car also seem to move outward in addition to moving upward, which makes me wonder why bother (styling I guess)...
The vents on the hood I could live with. Still don't really like it, but I could live with it.
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What really surprised me was the "La Ferrari' like tunnel ram. Very bolt.
Gman, we definitely have some genes in common when it comes to cars, I'd never thought an American to ever mention '4C' as a potential fun car. Sadly for me, the price is far from 'fun'. :frown:
Dragon, I actually kind of agree with you. (how about that :D) I would bet those 'lambo' doors are a necessity due to how wide the doors are due to the shape of the bottom fairing to allow the average American to get in and out of the thing in a regular street setting .Those hood vents are like the tri-bar tail lights of the mustangs, it's a 'trademark' of the GT.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ed/d7/80/edd780db77a948bbfa8bcaf12c319182.jpg)
(http://cdn5.3dtuning.com/info/Ford%20GT%202005%20Coupe/factory/1.jpg)
I like the rear fender arching as the original too, and that's as far as I want some type of retro styling:
(http://assets.blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads//2012/10/GT401075_1500.jpg)
Meanwhile ... GT350R :cheers:
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/detroit-auto-show/2015/01/12/2017-ford-shelby-gt-mustang-michigan-350r/21632001/ (http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/detroit-auto-show/2015/01/12/2017-ford-shelby-gt-mustang-michigan-350r/21632001/)
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You ppeople are making me sad when I don't even own a car. :cry
"Goes to supermarket and buys a hotwheels toy"
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You ppeople are making me sad when I don't even own a car. :cry
"Goes to supermarket and buys a hotwheels toy"
You liar, you showed me your "sweet wheels" before. I think I've got a picture of it somewhere...
Oh yea, here it is:
(http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/yck/5ya/yck5ya7cE.jpeg)
It even looks a bit like you! :lol
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When we get some in I will let you know how it goes :devil
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Sadly, the ecoboost derived V6 direct injected twin turbo will have an uphill battle concerning matching the horsepower overhead of the 2005 GT.
Nobody makes injectors for that engine that can support huge horsepower and the engine management hasn't been fully cracked by the aftermarket.
If you buy the ecoboost, make sure you get one that is "flex fuel" because it comes with bigger injectors.
The problem is the high static compression ratio.
We had to use a small aux fuel tank full of E85 just to put a 100 shot on one because adding gasoline anywhere but through the direct injectors causes huge detonation.
Here's the ford GT I work on.
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/04MqvpEZ8_E/maxresdefault.jpg)
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Am I the only one who thinks that he last Ford GT looks a LOT better then this? This design has strayed to far from the GT40 roots in my opinion, if I may be so bold... it looks to 'Lambo-like' for me. Looking like a Lambo is fine for a Lamborghini, I don't like it with a Ford badge though.
Also, am I the only on disappointed that Ford didn't put the GR-1 into production (maybe instead of this new GT)?
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2011/08/09-ford-shelby-gr-1-concept.jpg)
I like the retro Daytona look of it a lot better then the new GT.
Of course I loved the 2004 concept Bronco ford showed too. Seems like there would really be a market for it too, with all the Rubicons and FJs I see around... wish they'd put it into production.
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GR1 was great, body is showing slightly it's age by now. Out of curiosity Saggs, what is your age bracket? I'd guess 50s?
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Sad they went with a V-6...but at least it is twin turbo'd. :confused:
V-8 twinned would have been nasty, but heavier...
There's already talk of the 815 hp engine being "borrowed" from the future GT-500 for second year's Ford GT's option list... Would be interesting, and probably very expensive. It's just chatter on various boards at this point.
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I've read that somewhere as well, a Coyote based V8 in the new Ford GT at some point. They are saying 600+ HP with the Ecoboost in the GT, nothing specific yet, but they are saying the hp/weight ratio will be the best for any production US made car, and possibly the world, right now. I'm unsure how much more a Coyote based v8 would weight compared to the Ecoboost v6. Say the boosted V6 will be 650hp or so, but the V8 will weigh 80+lbs more, but give another 165 bhp - might be a good trade, who knows. If you like V8s over boosted v6s it would be for certain.
As much as I like these new models (3) that they've come out with from their performance shop, I'm still really interested in the ecoboost Mustang. Since the mid 80s there hasn't been a turbo4 Mustang, and it was one of my first cars back then, so I've always had a thing for them. In the next few years there will be some great mods, already are in fact, for this car. C and D magazine got it into the 13s, and 5.2 0-60, but its flat handling and braking was the big part of their story.
Also, if anyone is on Face Book, Direct Speed's site has a bit of video of the new Ford GT running from behind, fantastic sound. https://www.facebook.com/districtspeedfans?fref=photo
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I don't know what is going on over at Ford, but I LIKE IT!
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There's already talk of the 815 hp engine being "borrowed" from the future GT-500 for second year's Ford GT's option list... Would be interesting, and probably very expensive. It's just chatter on various boards at this point.
I not sure I believe that.
Go and look at the rear shots of the car. That V6 looks like it's already very, very tight in that tunnel or fuselage, I doubt anything bigger would fit without a major body redesign.
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What do the blinker look like I didn't see a light for it :O
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What do the blinker look like I didn't see a light for it :O
Probably the same as the brake light.
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I not sure I believe that.
Go and look at the rear shots of the car. That V6 looks like it's already very, very tight in that tunnel or fuselage, I doubt anything bigger would fit without a major body redesign.
Saggs, I am thinking the twin turbo V6 is about as wide as the non-turbo V8. Of course, the V8 is longer, but that does not seem to be as big of a problem in the design. Then again, it could be.
Personally, I would like to see a supercharged Coyote in that bay, but for a first swing, it certainly is a nice looking design.
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Still wish they would have done a V8, Seems like z06 is one of a dying bread of super cars that has a V8, live on small block Chevy.
With the sentimental out of the way, I think it looks fantastic, and american cars are finally getting to the point where they are in the super car range (this and the z06 are what i'm getting at here). What I think is still very important is the interior. What every you think of the C7 its the first corvette with an interior not made from the same plastic they make red solo cups out of and ford needs to do the same. It can look like a million bucks on the outside and look like a million bucks on the inside but if its just a bunch of hard plastic it will not feel like a real premium super car.
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Yeep.
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The ecoboost is a renamed duratec engine with changes.
All of ford's high horsepower since the 1990s has been the result of "borrowing" on the work Yamaha did with ford.
Porsche and cosworth were involved early on.
Toyota also worked with.......and still works with Yamaha on their cylinder head design and you can compare ford 4v heads with late Toyota 4v heads and clearly see they came from the same place.
That said, I will still venture a bet that the GM LS motors are still narrower than the ecoboost engines.
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i3-V6 is ecoboost, V8 - i12 is egoboost.
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It is a V6TT for Lemans. The engine needed to be under 4.0L to allow for turbochargers. Ford is being smart about this; forced induction with use of water methanol/race fuel can potentially create the ferrari killer that they originally set out to create. They don't care that everyone's crying for a V8, as their goal is to beat Ferrari.
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They don't care that everyone's crying for a V8, as their goal is to beat Ferrari.
:headscratch:
There's a lot of rumors and speculation about Ferrari's (works team) return to Le mans but AFAIK there's no confirmation from Ferrari that they would participate.
I don't see much prestige in winning privateer Ferrari teams driving 458s in the lowest class at Le mans by a possible Ford works team driving the new GTs. It is said that they are going to race the new GT but I don't think "beating Ferrari" is the main point. Also, AFAIk Ford hasn't annouched anything regarding the higher classes either.
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(http://gtspeed.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/landscape_nrm_1421161181-fordgtgulf_cdauto_11315_1_copy2.jpg)
http://gtspeed.us/the-ford-gt-in-gulf-livery-came-out-so-fast/ (http://gtspeed.us/the-ford-gt-in-gulf-livery-came-out-so-fast/)
...at first I didn't like the open sides and the huge gashes they made (good for the aero though, I'm sure) to the sides of the car but seeing it in the legenday livery it is staring to grow on me. :)
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:headscratch:
There's a lot of rumors and speculation about Ferrari's (works team) return to Le mans but AFAIK there's no confirmation from Ferrari that they would participate.
I don't see much prestige in winning privateer Ferrari teams driving 458s in the lowest class at Le mans by a possible Ford works team driving the new GTs. It is said that they are going to race the new GT but I don't think "beating Ferrari" is the main point. Also, AFAIk Ford hasn't annouched anything regarding the higher classes either.
The point is simple. This was developed with racing being first and foremost. Not someone who cannot even purchase one wishing a V8 was installed.
All of the buzz is indicating that Ferrari is indeed returning.
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The point is simple. This was developed with racing being first and foremost. Not someone who cannot even purchase one wishing a V8 was installed.
All of the buzz is indicating that Ferrari is indeed returning.
Ah, so it was your assumption only, got it.
Just because Ford is going to race the new GT (and it'll be in the slowest class at Le mans) doesn't automatically mean that Ferrari is getting back to Le mans.
What made me wonder was the fact that you proclaimed that Gt "was to beat Ferrari" as if it was some kind of stone written fact.
Well, it isn't.
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(http://gtspeed.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/landscape_nrm_1421161181-fordgtgulf_cdauto_11315_1_copy2.jpg)
http://gtspeed.us/the-ford-gt-in-gulf-livery-came-out-so-fast/ (http://gtspeed.us/the-ford-gt-in-gulf-livery-came-out-so-fast/)
...at first I didn't like the open sides and the huge gashes they made (good for the aero though, I'm sure) to the sides of the car but seeing it in the legenday livery it is staring to grow on me. :)
It's starting to grow on you? Oh my goodness, that's sex on 4 wheels right there.
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It's starting to grow on you? Oh my goodness, that's sex on 4 wheels right there.
Well, I'm a big fan of the original GT40 and I guess I would have liked that the sides of the car would pay more homage to that. But I of course do understand that the modern aero requirements make that very very hard to accomplish.
As they say, about matters of taste one shouldn't argue about...or can only argue about. Which ever fits best. :D
Another cool artist's impression:
(http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201501/ford-gt-le-mans-2_800x0w.jpg)
http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2016-ford-gt-le-mans-ar167086.html (http://www.topspeed.com/cars/ford/2016-ford-gt-le-mans-ar167086.html)
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Ah, so it was your assumption only, got it.
Just because Ford is going to race the new GT (and it'll be in the slowest class at Le mans) doesn't automatically mean that Ferrari is getting back to Le mans.
What made me wonder was the fact that you proclaimed that Gt "was to beat Ferrari" as if it was some kind of stone written fact.
Well, it isn't.
No less than the semantics typed in your assumptions.
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There are already rumors circulating that the racing conversion Ford will get 30% better fuel mileage than the Corvette, and probably be a bit faster too. Le Mans has become a fuel mileage race as much as anything. Of course, if the Fords or Corvettes should dominate their class, you can bet the rules will be changed to favor the Euro teams. That's been the case in FIA racing for 50 years.
When 10 Shelby Cobra Daytona coupes and 289 roadsters were entered in the last race of the 1964 season at Monza, they had beaten Ferrari into submission and Ford was just 6 points behind in the Manufacturers championship. The Daytona coupes had already practiced at faster lap times than Enzo's cars could attain, even in qualification trim. Ferrari knew that Ford was going to beat him badly. So, he demanded that the FIA reclassify the 250 LM as a GT car or he would pull his cars from competition. The FIA did one better and cancelled the Monza race, handing the GT championship to Enzo. Ford and Shelby were livid. In 1965, the Cobras brutally crushed Ferrari. For 1966, the FIA again restructured the GT rules (those damned Americans will learn the hard way, right?)
Combine the duplicity of the FIA and Enzo's reneging on his deal to sell out to Ford, Ferrari sat in Ford's crosshair for years. After the 7 liter GT-40 MK.II and Mk.IV crushed Ferrari like a bug in '66 and '67, Enzo, cried like a girl and the FIA banned the big block engines for the 1968 season. Meanwhile, Porsche had rising steadily with their 904, 906, 907, 908, 910 and 917.
So what happened? 5 liter GT-40s won Le Mans anyway, and repeated it again in 1969 (Jackie Ickx brilliantly out-driving Hans Herrmann and his Porsche 908). Ferrari spent a great deal of money to build the 512 series cars. However, the GT-40 was largely outmoded and the Porsche 917 had been sorted by 1970. Not only was Ferrari out-classed by Porsche, his 512s were hard pressed to beat old Lola T70 Mk.III coupes running American V-8s. Hans Herrmann got his win in 1970.
What I miss most is the Can-Am series, from 1966 through 1974. Rules? No rules, really. The fastest road racing cars on earth during that time period. Formula 1 speeds paled in comparison, especially on long, high speed courses. McLarens, Lolas, Chaparral, Porsche, Shaddow, March and even Ferrari (never competitive, but game) were the big names. Anybody who was anyone in racing ran Can-Am. How fast were the Can-Am cars? In 1969, the fastest lap turned at Watkins Glen by a Can-Am car was 1:02.2 in 90 degree temperatures. Later in October, in 50 degree temperatures, the fastest F1 lap was 1:04.4. The average speed of Denny Hulme's M8B McLaren was fast enough to have lapped the entire F1 field over the 200 mile race. By 1973, the Porsche 917/30 was producing as much 1,480 hp in qualifying trim. The Chevys could manage about 1,000 hp in race trim.
Watch this video of Can-Am cars running a vintage race at Infinion Raceway. The 917/30s are fast, and driven hard. That Shaddow Mk.II (1971) was awesome quick too.... Detroit iron, shaking the earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C02jDvfBHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C02jDvfBHU)
Then, take a ride with Jim Pace (winner of Sebring 12 hours and Daytona 24 hours in a Riley & Scott) in an Oscar Kovaleski's M6B at Road America. Many of these guys race to win... Pace sure does. This car was built for the 1968 season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI1up3ukikU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI1up3ukikU)
Pace runs a hot lap at Indy, winning the race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxVcsQ9GDaQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxVcsQ9GDaQ)
Finally, race with Pace in a gorgeous 1966 Lola T70....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DN4BUBF_Xo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DN4BUBF_Xo)
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No less than the semantics typed in your assumptions.
I didn't assume anything. You on the other hand talked about things that have not been announced as they were facts. In other words, assumed that Ferrari was coming back for sure. In other words did not know what you were talking about. :)
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Widewing, I was a HUGE fan of Can-Am racing and saw them race at Donnybrook which is now called Brainerd International Raceway in Minnesota. The best racing this planet has ever seen. Now we have rules in racing expressly made to make the racing "more competitive" which is the biggest bunch of baloney ever. Instead of changing the rules because your cars suck, how about making your cars not suck?
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Widewing, I was a HUGE fan of Can-Am racing and saw them race at Donnybrook which is now called Brainerd International Raceway in Minnesota. The best racing this planet has ever seen. Now we have rules in racing expressly made to make the racing "more competitive" which is the biggest bunch of baloney ever. Instead of changing the rules because your cars suck, how about making your cars not suck?
Agreed.
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Widewing, I was a HUGE fan of Can-Am racing and saw them race at Donnybrook which is now called Brainerd International Raceway in Minnesota. The best racing this planet has ever seen. Now we have rules in racing expressly made to make the racing "more competitive" which is the biggest bunch of baloney ever. Instead of changing the rules because your cars suck, how about making your cars not suck?
Like you, I find the so called "spec series" racing boring. No innovation. Can-AM Group 7 rules resulted in the fastest racing on earth for 8 years. At every track where the Can Am cars and F1 car raced during the same season, the Can Am cars were faster, often much faster. The Can Am was the most innovative series ever. Wings were in use as early as 1965. Ground effects in 1970. Twin turbos in 1972.
I was able to attend every Can-Am and USRRC race at Bridgehampton, beginning in 1965. The last Can-Am race there was in 1969. 1970 Can-Am race was moved to Road Atlanta after a major storm washed out a portion of the track, a few weeks after the 1970 Trans-Am race. That wold prove to be the last major event Bridgehampton. Thereafter, it was relegated to SCCA and EMRA club racing. As early as 1968, the track was considered too dangerous for these insanely quick Can-Am cars, and the track owners didn't have the funds to invest in upgrading the spartan facility. Today, it's a golf course and condo community. The last USRRC race there was in 1968 (series cancelled). After 1966, it was obvious that the USRRC had become the Can-Am's minor league series. We drove up to Watkins Glen for the 1970 through 1973 Can-Am races there. Brought tents, coolers and sleeping bags all stuffed into various station wagons.
Here's a photo for Skuzzy. You've not seen this one before... Dan Gurney at the wheel of a Shelby team 289 Cobra, 1963. The original Ford GT, if you will.....
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/48/40/23/484023b3f329d8cdab5e2820fea28f98.jpg)
Another never seen before... Gurney driving a Shelby Team 289 Cobra in the 1964 Targa Florio, where it was the class winner (GT +3.0).
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/1a/e2/83/1ae283602acd4c26bc5663cc6936cc3c.jpg)
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We would also drive up as a family starting when I was 9 years old and continuing until I left for the Air Force in 1974 at 17 years old. I have 2 sisters and a brother and my dad had a dirtbike for every one of us. We could ride our bike around the infield all we wanted, pull up to the fence and watch the racing and then ride to another viewing spot, or park the bike next to the grandstands and watch from there. It was freedom and excitement. I had just one responsibility, stay with my brother who was 6 years younger than me. My clearest memory was standing by the fence inside of turn 2. We could see the cars come down the last half of the front straight and then fly into turn one with barely a lift on the gas pedal, hard brakes into another right hander, fishtailing out of the corner as the set up for the next corner, a left hander you accelerated through.
We also went to Donnybrook to watch motorcycle roadracing and that's when I decided, that's what I wanted to be, a motorcycle racer. Many many years later, at my fathers house in San Diego, where he moved after I left home, I saw tears in his eyes as he unwrapped a package I gave him and he realized it was a 1st place trophy I won while racing a Honda CBR600RR in the Supersport class at Donnybrook, even though by then it was BIR. During that race, I saw kids like I was, standing in the same spot I used to, cheering me on. I only raced that track one time because I live in Arizona but it was certainly worth the trip.
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Oh, I know those Cobras well. #146 is CSX2323. Still being driven by a member of the Great Lakes Cobra Club. Fully restored.
Saving the best for last. :) Old #97 is a car I know all too well. That race was at Riverside in 1963. How do I know? My Dad took me to that race. I will never forget it. That is where my love affair with the Cobra started. It was not until one pulled up beside us at the old hot rod A&W drive in that it cemented the deal for me.
Unfortunately, old #97 died a tragic death and is no longer in this world.
Attached is one for you Widewing. It's from the Cobra registry.
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Oh, I know those Cobras well. #146 is CSX2323. Still being driven by a member of the Great Lakes Cobra Club. Fully restored.
Saving the best for last. :) Old #97 is a car I know all too well. That race was at Riverside in 1963. How do I know? My Dad took me to that race. I will never forget it. That is where my love affair with the Cobra started. It was not until one pulled up beside us at the old hot rod A&W drive in that it cemented the deal for me.
Unfortunately, old #97 died a tragic death and is no longer in this world.
Attached is one for you Widewing. It's from the Cobra registry.
Very nice... Looks like the same Targa Florio. Here's one from a race I went to in 1963... I was just 10 and hooked on racing and the Cobra. The 1963 Bridgehampton 500 km (round 22 of World Sports Car Championship).
Left to right, Ken Miles Miles in 98, CX2129. Dan Gurney 99, CX2137 and Bob Holbert 97, CX2127. Gurney won. Miles was 2nd. Holbert broke an axle, DNF.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10346464_10205845879851545_8748242130317513567_n.jpg?oh=fd022c52389d1d14754326ac6d14b698&oe=555C45C1&__gda__=1428649406_6bf9db26e5c3d7af51441659a12123dc)