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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Tilt on January 28, 2015, 10:54:29 AM
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If you choose a fuel and ordinance load out that is too high for safe take off at the airfields given altitude................ can we have some form of warning........... like the load out texts changing to red or amber?
I would have thought that the criteria for safe take off would be wheels up within runway length on auto take off. Flying into hill sides is another matter.
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Lost a set of B-29s once with full 500 lb ordinance. I chalked it up to "not having a clue" :lol
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:lol So u have figured it out too. Auto take off in B-29 is not a good idea.
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AH already has a warning... it is called a stall horn. :)
You have to be smarter than the computer… and much of that is learned “smarts”.
Remember, in actuality there is no runway in AH that is long enough for a B29 to take off legitimately. All you can do is A> make sure you’re on as long of a runway as possible; B> make sure there is clear space at the end of a runway; C> make sure you used WEP and flaps UP while taking off. Go ahead and use auto pilot until the last possible moment then manually float the plane out of danger. KEEP FLAPS UP!!! Speed is life.
When you’re able use the longer runway on a large field that is elevated and has a drop off at the end of the runway. If you’re using 40,000lbs of ord, and full fuel, it is almost mandatory.
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Taking off from coastal bases is almost a requirement with 40 500, 2x ammo and 100% fuel in the 29, or a field that has a bit of room with a drop. If you fly a single, you can give yourself a little more room by turning her around and putting yourself off the spawn side of the runway before you start your take off. I haven't tried this with drones, but I don't THINK they will go anywhere if you do this. Best to try offline, unless you have a bunch of perks to blow, in-case they decide to try and go about their day without you. :lol
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Lost a set of B-29s once with full 500 lb ordinance. I chalked it up to "not having a clue" :lol
I lost 8 out of 9 b29's on a dare that I couldnt take off from a certain field. while bragging that I wont the bet, i got killed by a pony that came out of nowhere. I still say I won the bet.
semp
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I Disagree. U can take off from any field as long as there are no hills at the end of the runway.
Here is how to do it:
1. No auto take off
2. Raise flaps
3. Wheel brakes on
4. Add full power (incl WEP)
5. Release brakes
6. When reaching 80-100mph, lower flaps one notch.
7. Around 150-200 yards from the end of the runway, rotate and climb above tree level. (keep nose wheel on ground until rotation)
8. Accelerate and raise flaps. Climb to catch the drones
9. At 190mph, start climbing.
Edit: Some reason for this: At the beginning the flaps adds nothing but drag so keeping them up until u get some speed will decrease the take off distance (not sure how well this is featured in AH dough)
Rotating too early turns your plane into a massive air brake and will increase take off roll significantly, flying too slow also adds a lot of extra drag and makes it harder to climb and/or accelerate. In a worst case scenario u will find yourself floating a few feet above ground in a near stall position with no chance of either accelerate or climb until u strike the ground.
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Any one else here also get the engine to full power on the brakes, release with flaps up and only drop flaps at a certain point on the runway.......?
Its a request for a little reminder that "auto take off says no" which might help those attempting stuff for the first time.
WWII bomber crews had their load out chosen for them by mission planners who also set the fuel load......
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I agree with Tilt, I would even call it increased fidelity in the simulation overall.
IMO it could even go as far as not letting you take off if the maximum take off weight is exceeded.
AH already has a warning... it is called a stall horn. :)
Nonsense.
Stall horn has nothing to do with it. Pilot/crew of a B-29 for example went through traning and doing a real weight/balance check of a real aircraft a several mistakes would have to be made to overload the aircraft, miscalculate take off distance and having wrong info of the ambient conditions. Considering the nature of AH such knowledge can not be automatically assumed. Per Hitech that is the reason aircraft that don't have ammo counters have them in AH. In real life you'd know how many secs of ammo you'd have.
Very few people in real life flew all the aircraft types AH has.
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Before upping any perk plane, especially the B-29 and Ar-234, u should test them in offline mode until u are certain that u can handle them. both are quite a challenge for a rookie pilot.
But i dont say no to the request, it can help new pilots and if it can prevent them from loosing 400 bomber perks on take off it is not a bad idea. Not so fun to save perks to a set of B-29 and then loose them before you are off the ground.
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Before upping any perk plane, especially the B-29 and Ar-234, u should test them in offline mode until u are certain that u can handle them. both are quite a challenge for a rookie pilot.
But i dont say no to the request, it can help new pilots and if it can prevent them from loosing 400 bomber perks on take off it is not a bad idea. Not so fun to save perks to a set of B-29 and then loose them before you are off the ground.
Especially the Ar-234. If you can find a way to take-off without JATO, it's perhaps the best solution for flying those devils. The B-29 is like trying to fly with a big wet blanket over your arms.
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Especially the Ar-234. If you can find a way to take-off without JATO, it's perhaps the best solution for flying those devils. The B-29 is like trying to fly with a big wet blanket over your arms.
Blanket made of lead.... :noid
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Most important question is: Do you really need 100% fuel and 40x500lbs in your B-29? Most likely no. Even on 75% fuel the B-29 has a great range and on almost any map its enough to reach altitude, go to target and make it home. 40x500 is also most of the time too much, no target need that many bombs and the risk is that you stay over target too long and allow the enemy to catch you. 20x500 takes down city to 70% and then its still bombs left to cripple a factory.
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Most important question is: Do you really need 100% fuel and 40x500lbs in your B-29? Most likely no
The only times I used the 40x500 +100% loadout was on retreated central strats on large maps. When most probably being the only one attacking them across that huge distance I wanted to mak sure to do some considerable damage to all the targets there.
Since the central strats were disbanded, I found no use for the 40x500lb loadout anymore at all. The 56x250lb loadout is significantly more efficient at killing the city alone.
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The only times I used the 40x500 +100% loadout was on retreated central strats on large maps. When most probably being the only one attacking them across that huge distance I wanted to mak sure to do some considerable damage to all the targets there.
Since the central strats were disbanded, I found no use for the 40x500lb loadout anymore at all. The 56x250lb loadout is significantly more efficient at killing the city alone.
Agree. 56x250 can be used as 28x500 with salvo 2 so it gives u a bit more damage than 20x500. not more efficient than dropping one row at the time but u need fewer passes to do the damage.
Have tested on compello map and 20x500 and 75% fuel is enough to go from A1 far up north to the city and AAA of the southern country and still make it back (33-35K alt) so 100% fuel is most likely too much for almost any run.
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Agree. 56x250 can be used as 28x500 with salvo 2 so it gives u a bit more damage than 20x500. not more efficient than dropping one row at the time but u need fewer passes to do the damage.
I settled down for the salvo 1, one row per pass method. Statistically speaking, the increased number of city block being killed was more than offsetting the increased risk of losing a bomber by puffy ack.
Have tested on compello map and 20x500 and 75% fuel is enough to go from A1 far up north to the city and AAA of the southern country and still make it back (33-35K alt) so 100% fuel is most likely too much for almost any run.
In my opinion, there ain't even a reason to waste much fuel to climb to such excessive altitudes in a B-29. I generally went to 30k only when bombing cities next to a Me 163 base, when attacking cities outside Me 163 coverage (large maps) I tended to fly at around 25-28k. (In 2013, the last full year with central strats, my average bombing altitude was 27.1k) The B-29 is fast and well armed, most of the time there's no reason to fly in "offline mode" (above 30k)
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A decent double row drop w 250s takes city down to 50%, more then enough imo but its more about personal preferasions.
Range test was just an offline test so alt isnt really relvant there. 30k keeps u above 262s but other than that it not nescessary. Most of my runs in buffs are at around 25k.
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Regarding the take off weight...
...to put things to perspective, someone who isn't famillar with B-29's maximum take off weight can currently unknowingly overload the aircraft by almost 10000lbs (135000lbs vs. 144570lbs).
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If you choose a fuel and ordinance load out that is too high for safe take off at the airfields given altitude................ can we have some form of warning........... like the load out texts changing to red or amber?
I would have thought that the criteria for safe take off would be wheels up within runway length on auto take off. Flying into hill sides is another matter.
How about..
(http://www.airmageddon.com/412th/BobSays.jpg)
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How about..
(http://www.airmageddon.com/412th/BobSays.jpg)
:rofl
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How about..
LOL. You gotta think about this beurocrats that put runways next to mountains..........
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I settled down for the salvo 1, one row per pass method. Statistically speaking, the increased number of city block being killed was more than offsetting the increased risk of losing a bomber by puffy ack.
:lol For u maybe, i ´m getting hit by puffy all the time, last run i got a fuel leak on first pass.
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:lol For u maybe, i ´m getting hit by puffy all the time, last run i got a fuel leak on first pass.
Since September 12 I did 56 attacks on the City with the 56x250lb loadout and lost 6 bombers to puffy ack, that's a casualty rate of 3.57% :old:
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Since September 12 I did 56 attacks on the City with the 56x250lb loadout and lost 6 bombers to puffy ack, that's a casualty rate of 3.57% :old:
this sounds like my runs to sink the cv's. i fly at 5.5k and the ack may give me an oil leak but mostly the only way I get shot down is if the gunners can actually hit me or if there's an enemy con nearby. at that altitude I'll sink 9 out of every 10 cv's no matter how much it turns.
semp
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Since September 12 I did 56 attacks on the City with the 56x250lb loadout and lost 6 bombers to puffy ack, that's a casualty rate of 3.57% :old:
:rofl i have even been blown to pieces in a turning P-38 at 15k. Puffy dont like me.
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:rofl i have even been blown to pieces in a turning P-38 at 15k. Puffy dont like me.
Oh, fighters are a different thing, they are much more susceptible to auto puffy than bombers, the latter ones being able to shrug off several hits. And bombers have another advantage: Auto puffy never hits the drones, only and exclusively the lead bomber. The drones are ignored and take no damage at all.