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Title: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 12:42:53 PM
I've got the motherboard, cpu, psu, and such installed. I plug in front panel connectors, then the motherboard main 24 pin power connecter and then the 8 pin cpu connector. I then plug the switch to the psu to on, and nothing happens, at all. I press the on button on the front of the case and still nothing.


Anyone have any idea what is wrong
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: 38ruk on February 10, 2015, 01:10:29 PM
Are there any lights on the motherboard on?  You can jump the power switch pins on the power header with a screwdriver to make sure the switch isnt bad...... just touch the 2 pins with the screwdriver and it will start the pc up.....but thats only if the switch is bad ....odds are if the switch worked recently and it's plugged in right ..... its prolly a psu issue.

I've had new PSu's come in for customers that were DOA ...rare but it happens .  If all else fails you might want to try your old PSU and see if it boots the system.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 01:16:26 PM
Are there any lights on the motherboard on?  You can jump the power switch pins on the power header with a screwdriver to make sure the switch isnt bad...... just touch the 2 pins with the screwdriver and it will start the pc up.....but thats only if the switch is bad ....odds are if the switch worked recently and it's plugged in right ..... its prolly a psu issue.

I've had new PSu's come in for customers that were DOA ...rare but it happens .  If all else fails you might want to try your old PSU and see if it boots the system.

I saw not one light. And are the power headers in the whats it called, JPM1 pins? Cause I've plugged the front panel connectors there, otherwise I'll have to check the manual I have no idea where the power header is (im new at this stuff, first time).
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: FLS on February 10, 2015, 01:18:41 PM
When you turn the PSU on does the PSU fan go on?
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
When you turn the PSU on does the PSU fan go on?

Not at all

In some tutorials I've seen it doesn't turn on, I assumed it was normal until I plugged it into the MB
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: 100Coogn on February 10, 2015, 01:20:29 PM
Does the PSU have an on/off switch?
Easily overlooked.

Coogan
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 01:21:01 PM
Does the PSU have an on/off switch?
Easily overlooked.

Coogan

Yup, and it has been set to on
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: wpeters on February 10, 2015, 01:38:27 PM
Check and make sure the power cable is plugged in. If it is check and make sure it is seated properly into Psu. Next make sure if nothing happens  that u check and make sure your to power cords going to your mobo are in there slots.  Make sure you have them seated and that they clicked when they went in. 
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 01:40:58 PM
Yup, and it has been set to on

Insert the power cable to your PSU and plug it to the wall socket, that helps usually.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 01:45:37 PM
Insert the power cable to your PSU and plug it to the wall socket, that helps usually.


I did
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 01:46:44 PM
Check and make sure the power cable is plugged in. If it is check and make sure it is seated properly into Psu. Next make sure if nothing happens  that u check and make sure your to power cords going to your mobo are in there slots.  Make sure you have them seated and that they clicked when they went in. 

The power cable was in right, still nothing, and the mb power connectors are in, but they don't click when inserted, as in they're not supposed to
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Bizman on February 10, 2015, 01:48:44 PM
I saw not one light. And are the power headers in the whats it called, JPM1 pins? Cause I've plugged the front panel connectors there, otherwise I'll have to check the manual I have no idea where the power header is (im new at this stuff, first time).
After having built and rebuilt dozens and dozens of computers for about 15 years I still look at the manual for front panel connectors. And other too. There's no reliable standard, case manufacturers use different words than motherboard makers etc. Brand manufacturers may even use some 20 pin blocks with only three pairs of pins used!

You can test your whether your PSU is totally out of business with this simple method: http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Power-Supply (http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Power-Supply)
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 01:49:54 PM
After having built and rebuilt dozens and dozens of computers for about 15 years I still look at the manual for front panel connectors. And other too. There's no reliable standard, case manufacturers use different words than motherboard makers etc. Brand manufacturers may even use some 20 pin blocks with only three pairs of pins used!

You can test your whether your PSU is totally out of business with this simple method: http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Power-Supply (http://www.wikihow.com/Check-a-Power-Supply)

Yep it's easy to plug the connectors in the wrong way if you hold the computer upside down like often is necessary if you plug the pins while the motherboard is already installed.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 01:59:23 PM
Yep it's easy to plug the connectors in the wrong way if you hold the computer upside down like often is necessary if you plug the pins while the motherboard is already installed.

Matching positive with positive and negative with negative right? Im sure I did it right, but regardless the damn thing doesn't start.

I guess I'll try the link biz posted
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:03:38 PM
Matching positive with positive and negative with negative right? Im sure I did it right, but regardless the damn thing doesn't start.

I just recently had to fix my uncles computer. While I was working with the box upside down I was checking the pin order and trying to squeeze my hands to the tiny crevice in order to get the connectors in. Despite checking and double checking I managed to plug the power switch connector to the LED pin and the LED pin to the power i.e. upside down. I noticed this when the computer wouldn't boot.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 02:11:57 PM
I just recently had to fix my uncles computer. While I was working with the box upside down I was checking the pin order and trying to squeeze my hands to the tiny crevice in order to get the connectors in. Despite checking and double checking I managed to plug the power switch connector to the LED pin and the LED pin to the power i.e. upside down. I noticed this when the computer wouldn't boot.

Gee those annoying bellybutton things, did it yesterday I hate them, I guess I gotta check, but would that affect the PSU? Should it?
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:18:46 PM
Gee those annoying bellybutton things, did it yesterday I hate them, I guess I gotta check, but would that affect the PSU? Should it?

The PSU won't have life on it unless it detects the power switch being used. If your motherboard or graphics card has leds, they should however light up (in most cases) even before you press power.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 02:23:08 PM
The PSU won't have life on it unless it detects the power switch being used. If your motherboard or graphics card has leds, they should however light up (in most cases) even before you press power.

I haven't installed the graphics card so it'd be easy to reach stuff with the pins, I hope maybe I just didn't put the power cable into the MB correctly, and it fit perfectly, I just have a great feeling I'm doing something wrong
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:27:30 PM
I haven't installed the graphics card so it'd be easy to reach stuff with the pins, I hope maybe I just didn't put the power cable into the MB correctly, and it fit perfectly, I just have a great feeling I'm doing something wrong

Your motherboard may refuse to start without a graphics card. Assemble it fully (PSU plugged in not forgetting the 12V auxiliary motherboard plug, cpu, cpu cooler, graphics card, at least 1 ram stick in the slot), then try.

Missing graphics, missing cpu and missing ram are basically fatal errors that may stop you from booting. And by booting I mean that the mobo won't even power up.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 02:28:45 PM
Your motherboard may refuse to start without a graphics card. Assemble it fully (PSU plugged in not forgetting the 12V auxiliary motherboard plug, cpu, cpu cooler, graphics card, at least 1 ram stick in the slot), then try.

Missing graphics, missing cpu and missing ram are basically fatal errors that may stop you from booting.

This has literally brightened my mood, thanks I will do it. I also never knew about the auxiliary power cord for the MB.

That strikes a cord in my memory, no wonder the guy in teh tutorial installed every single thing into the motherboard before a test boot.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:31:42 PM
This has literally brightened my mood, thanks I will do it. I also never knew about the auxiliary power cord for the MB.

It's usually on the back panel side of the CPU. You may have one or two of these. Without the cable the mobo stays dead. Easy to overlook.

(http://panam.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/FIC/4006196R/4006196R_21.JPG)

Your PSU should have a cable like in picture '4 pin 12V' and this NEEDS to be plugged.

(https://mrpaintersapluswiki.wikispaces.com/file/view/power_connectors_atx.jpg/399789670/power_connectors_atx.jpg)
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 02:34:59 PM
It's usually on the back panel side of the CPU. You may have one or two of these. Without the cable the mobo stays dead. Easy to overlook.

(http://panam.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/FIC/4006196R/4006196R_21.JPG)

Ok, I've got it, appreciate the help guys, after Im able to do this in a few hours I'll post here to share the results.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 10, 2015, 02:37:20 PM
It's usually on the back panel side of the CPU. You may have one or two of these. Without the cable the mobo stays dead. Easy to overlook.

(http://panam.gateway.com/s/MOTHERBD/FIC/4006196R/4006196R_21.JPG)

regarding the underlined part above, you will either have a 4 pin or an 8 pin connector..... most likely it will be an 8 pin if the MB is of the expensive type ( higher tier MB )

best of luck to you

TC
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
regarding the underlined part above, you will either have a 4 pin or an 8 pin connector..... most likely it will be an 8 pin if the MB is of the expensive type ( higher tier MB )

best of luck to you

TC

In my previous motherboards the extra connector has been capped, the motherboard booted with only one connector attached. Of course this may not be the case on every motherboard. Many PSU:s have only a single 4-pin aux plug though.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: TequilaChaser on February 10, 2015, 02:46:07 PM
In my previous motherboards the extra connector has been capped, the motherboard booted with only one connector attached. Of course this may not be the case on every motherboard. Many PSU:s have only a single 4-pin aux plug though.

Yes Sir, MrRiplEy[H], that is why I mentioned that the 8 pin ( or doubled up 4 pin 12v ) connector is mainly found on the high end boards, as like you just posted most boards only have a or need a 4 pin 12v connector to run, however some few MB's need the 8 pin 12v to run correctly.....

your post is correct though, I was not arguing anything about it, just helping with the addition of it might be an 8 pin 12v connector ( or 2 4pin-12v connectors hooked together as I have seen on some PSU's )

TC
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:49:11 PM
Yes Sir, MrRiplEy[H], that is why I mentioned that the 8 pin ( or doubled up 4 pin 12v ) connector is mainly found on the high end boards, as like you just posted most boards only have a or need a 4 pin 12v connector to run, however some few MB's need the 8 pin 12v to run correctly.....

your post is correct though, I was not arguing anything about it, just helping with the addition of it might be an 8 pin 12v connector ( or 2 4pin-12v connectors hooked together as I have seen on some PSU's )

TC

Let's hope that the OP doesn't have a mobo that needs 8 pins and a PSU that has only 4... can happen  :old:
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 02:51:38 PM
Let's hope that the OP doesn't have a mobo that needs 8 pins and a PSU that has only 4... can happen  :old:

I hope not, especially since my PSU isn't modular, but the MB I have isn't a real high-end one, it only costed 150.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 10, 2015, 02:55:01 PM
I hope not, especially since my PSU isn't modular, but the MB I have isn't a real high-end one, it only costed 150.

Even if your motherboard has 8 pins and your PSU 4, just plug the existing plug in and try it. Most likely it will do the trick. The extra plug is for extreme loads created by heavy overclocking.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 10, 2015, 02:55:43 PM
Even if your motherboard has 8 pins and your PSU 4, just plug the existing plug in and try it. Most likely it will do the trick. The extra plug is for extreme loads created by heavy overclocking.

Will do.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Copprhed on February 10, 2015, 03:16:25 PM
reseat memory and cpu.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Getback on February 10, 2015, 03:38:50 PM
I've had bad power supplies from the get go before.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 11, 2015, 12:00:20 AM
I got a start!! :x
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: 100Coogn on February 11, 2015, 12:06:25 AM
WTG!
What was the problem?   

Coogan
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 11, 2015, 12:42:24 AM
WTG!
What was the problem?  

Coogan

It was indeed the video card, since it had not been installed when I first tried, I had trouble seeing if the psu fan was spinning cause of dim lighting but obviously it had power since the front panel switch was working and the mb had power, I have yet to find the auxiliary power supply on the mb though, will have to do that, and graphics card power tomorrow.

Also will do fan case power and led lights
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: mbailey on February 11, 2015, 05:22:31 AM
Great job guys   :aok

Good to know that when I take the plunge in building a computer that there's gents on here to help

I have exactly zero knowledge when it comes to computers, but want to give it a try.

Keep us updated SG63 as to how it all works out. Maybe there's hope for this old guy (me)
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 11, 2015, 05:45:46 AM
Great job guys   :aok

Good to know that when I take the plunge in building a computer that there's gents on here to help

I have exactly zero knowledge when it comes to computers, but want to give it a try.

Keep us updated SG63 as to how it all works out. Maybe there's hope for this old guy (me)

Will do bailey! :salute
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on February 11, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
I got a start!! :x

Congrats on making your first build!
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 11, 2015, 07:18:08 PM
I got a start!! :x

WTG. nothing like the feeling of your first build when you power it on and it actually works.

Did you remember to do this ritual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuoKNZjr8_U

Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 11, 2015, 11:25:00 PM
WTG. nothing like the feeling of your first build when you power it on and it actually works.

Did you remember to do this ritual?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuoKNZjr8_U



 :lol

No but I sure had a similar feeling :D

I have a few more simple things to do with the physical build such as power and data cables to the OD, HDD, and graphics card. I have a few pics of it I will try and post.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: DREDIOCK on February 12, 2015, 07:01:14 AM
:lol

No but I sure had a similar feeling :D

I have a few more simple things to do with the physical build such as power and data cables to the OD, HDD, and graphics card. I have a few pics of it I will try and post.

Well when you get done. Do it. You gotta do it. Its a good luck thing.

Think about it. His creation dispite being burned, drained of energy, blown up, frozen, Even married...(well almost) couldnt be killed
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 13, 2015, 01:26:27 AM
The physical build is conplete :banana:


All I need now is to install windows, its updates, and drivers.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: mbailey on February 15, 2015, 11:03:47 AM
The physical build is conplete :banana:


All I need now is to install windows, its updates, and drivers.

How you making out?
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Someguy63 on February 15, 2015, 07:47:50 PM
How you making out?


It's complete, system runs fast as heck.

I do however, have one more problem. I discoed maybe 4 times in around 20 mins in the MA today I have no idea what's wrong. I run wifi on the system and it always indicates 4 bars, which is the best it can get. I have wifi on the laptop that I have been playing on the last 3 years and it, while on wifi had never discoed, and if I did it was once every blue moon. I understand that it isn't predictable, but running it to a landline isn't quite an option right now so does anyone have any idea what it could be.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: FLS on February 15, 2015, 11:26:11 PM
Disco is disconnect, a loss of connection. Players get disco'd with wired connections when the internet screws up the connection. If you have a power outlet near your computer and a power outlet near your router, which seems likely, you can use adaptors to run internet through your house wiring.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: BaldEagl on February 15, 2015, 11:41:29 PM

It's complete, system runs fast as heck.

I do however, have one more problem. I discoed maybe 4 times in around 20 mins in the MA today I have no idea what's wrong. I run wifi on the system and it always indicates 4 bars, which is the best it can get. I have wifi on the laptop that I have been playing on the last 3 years and it, while on wifi had never discoed, and if I did it was once every blue moon. I understand that it isn't predictable, but running it to a landline isn't quite an option right now so does anyone have any idea what it could be.

I had a similar problem several years ago.  It turns out I'd bound my dual LAN ports.  I had to unbind them and disable one.  It's not likely to be your problem but it's also difficult to diagnose if it is.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: Nwbie on February 19, 2015, 03:15:45 PM
Also, the standard make sure there are no antivirus or malware programs doing an automatic sweep- check to see what is running in the background. I can't remember the site- was it Blackviper? that has a list of programs that can be shutdown, or I am sure someone here has that listing for you.
Title: Re: Problem with a build
Post by: mbailey on February 19, 2015, 05:28:56 PM

It's complete, system runs fast as heck.



Very cool!  WTG sir  :aok   :cheers:

Hope you figure out the disco issue........I'm going to take the plunge as well.  If you want a laugh stick around, I'll post the progress on the BBS    Prolly start n the next month