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Title: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 02:05:33 PM
It has become an epidemic...I won't rant about it, because anyone who would read this knows exactly what I'm saying.
I'm tired of the BS excuse of..."well there were spies in WW2"...yes there were, and when they were caught, they were executed.
The only reason I can think of that the obviously blatant shading (cheating) is being allowed is, that it's another $14.95 a month of revenue for AH.
It IS one of the reasons for the decreasing revenue for the game...our game...There!...I stated what everyone else is saying on range....Flame as you will...fed up

Have fun >
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: HawkerMKII on February 14, 2015, 02:08:30 PM
Nothing more to say......sad but so very true. Sad part is, everyone says its kids, but its not is the so called adults. My thing is, if you do this in a game, what is you life like? :salute
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: FLS on February 14, 2015, 02:23:00 PM
Please send complaints on this issue to support@hitechcreations.com they are not allowed in the forum.

There are legitimate reasons to have more than one account.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 02:24:34 PM
Howdy Hawk...miss flying with you and 'eGG and Hap in the 91st....those were the days huh? <S>
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 02:30:02 PM
Please send complaints on this issue to support@hitechcreations.com they are not allowed in the forum.

There are legitimate reasons to have more than one account.

...Here we go....lol...been there...done that...quoting Genesis......"No Reply at All"

I was wondering when the Gestapo would censor me....
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Arlo on February 14, 2015, 02:35:55 PM
...Here we go....lol...been there...done that...quoting Genesis......"No Reply at All"

I was wondering when the Gestapo would censor me....

I think anyone giving advice on how to do something in a more mature and efficient manner isn't  so much playing 'Gestapo' as wasting their valuable time, in this case.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: MrKrabs on February 14, 2015, 02:41:26 PM
[in]

preposition

1. (used to indicate inclusion within space, a place, or limits):
"walking in the park."
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: MajWoody on February 14, 2015, 03:03:20 PM
 :noid
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: jeep00 on February 14, 2015, 03:18:51 PM
Sounds like someone parked a goon in an open field again....  :noid

Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: glzsqd on February 14, 2015, 03:22:05 PM
I like how forum moderators are comparable to ethnic cleansing secret police  :noid
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: FLS on February 14, 2015, 03:40:26 PM
I'm not a moderator. I try to save time and effort for the busy people at HTC who have better things to do.

I was wondering when the Gestapo would censor me....

During WW2 my uncles were kids, such as you appear to be now, and they had a hidden radio. The Gestapo would have shot them if they found it. I'm sure you're just as brave now as they were then.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: darkzking on February 14, 2015, 03:40:33 PM
Yesterday my b24 raid was intercepted way behind our lines by 262s and a k4 im sure they had a spie :devil or they can see a DAR BAR *GASP* :O :lol
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Hap on February 14, 2015, 03:49:16 PM
Howdy Hawk...miss flying with you and Egg and Hap in the 91st....those were the days huh? <S>

<S> Yes; those were some fine days Gorf.

For some reason, folks with 2 accounts have never been a bother to me.

Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 14, 2015, 03:50:41 PM
In.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 04:14:16 PM
<S> Yes; those were some fine days Gorf.

For some reason, folks with 2 accounts have never been a bother to me.



<S> Hap....I know...99% of the time i'm the same.....just reached a zenith today for some reason...time for my annual break I guess  ;)
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: kvuo75 on February 14, 2015, 04:35:53 PM
...Here we go....lol...been there...done that...quoting Genesis......"No Reply at All"


it is the weekend.

or should they cancel their weekends to answer angry emails about spies?
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: GhostCDB on February 14, 2015, 04:36:17 PM
 :lol

I'm in there like swim wear.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: bustr on February 14, 2015, 04:36:32 PM
Yesterday my b24 raid was intercepted way behind our lines by 262s and a k4 im sure they had a spie :devil or they can see a DAR BAR *GASP* :O :lol

POTW regularly sends up 262 flights for long range sweeps. At 20k on 6500 rpm, you can fly forever at about 400IA. The K4 was one of our squad mates acting as a scout near a hot zone to vector us in for your bombers. Now this is if it was knights 262 that caught you. We caught a number of B24 flights last night. POTW values the reports of our squadmates and come to their aid or their directions to good eating at all times. Shade accounts for greifing the game more describe someone with a wee willy complex than anything else.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Stang on February 14, 2015, 04:37:42 PM
There are people with shades. One in particular was supposed to shut his account down. I guess his Achilles heel is following his word though... almost every one of these threads and the "we all know" and "anyone who reads this" are completely full of it. Sorry, but your mission didn't fail because of spies. It probably failed to incompetence.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Volron on February 14, 2015, 04:42:42 PM
Please send complaints on this issue to support@hitechcreations.com they are not allowed in the forum.

There are legitimate reasons to have more than one account.

I am curious to what the legitimate reasons would be.  For the life of me I am just drawing a blank on this.  WAKE UP YOU STUPID BRAIN! :bhead  It's going to be something so bloody obvious too, watch... :noid


On a side note, is anyone else having a problem with the Preview button not actually showing a preview?  Been having this issue for a couple of weeks now. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Mar on February 14, 2015, 04:50:06 PM
I am curious to what the legitimate reasons would be.  For the life of me I am just drawing a blank on this.  WAKE UP YOU STUPID BRAIN! :bhead  It's going to be something so bloody obvious too, watch... :noid


On a side note, is anyone else having a problem with the Preview button not actually showing a preview?  Been having this issue for a couple of weeks now. :headscratch:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367594.0.html

You can still preview it by copy-paste to a private message to yourself. Don't have to send it of course.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 04:54:24 PM
...Lol...I totally expected the "incompetence" replies....been playing this game far too long to use that excuse....please, I am NOT trying to stir the pot, I am simply stating what everyone else (everyone else who doesn't own a shade account that is) is saying on Range chat.
Problem is...no one wants to man up and say it aloud for fear of retribution....well, I'm saying it aloud, sorry, it needs to be said, blame it on whatever, we all know it to be true and until we grow a set and demand this BS to end....it will only get worse, as it has the last few years...
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Someguy63 on February 14, 2015, 04:56:03 PM
...Lol...I totally expected the "incompetence" replies....been playing this game far too long to use that excuse....please, I am NOT trying to stir the pot, I am simply stating what everyone else (everyone else who doesn't own a shade account that is) is saying on Range chat.
Problem is...no one wants to man up and say it aloud for fear of retribution....well, I'm saying it aloud, sorry, it needs to be said, blame it on whatever, we all know it to be true and until we grow a set and demand this BS to end....it will only get worse, as it has the last few years...

First of all who on range are you talking about that is seemingly influencing you to come here with this "spies are ruining the game" nonsense?
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Stang on February 14, 2015, 04:56:23 PM
That chat on range is just like a bunch of hens cackling in a salon, and about as accurate as well.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 04:57:25 PM
What color is the Kool-Aid this week?
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Someguy63 on February 14, 2015, 04:59:36 PM
Name one instance where spies have ruined your fun.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Volron on February 14, 2015, 05:08:37 PM
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,367594.0.html

You can still preview it by copy-paste to a private message to yourself. Don't have to send it of course.

Ah, thank you Mar.  I didn't take real notice of the issue until a couple of weeks ago. :o
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 05:09:38 PM
Anyone who claims that shading has not become a serious problem in AH is in complete denial....the dwindling numbers are my proof...what's yours?    
Everyone says it....in whispering tones..but very few are ready to stand up and say it out loud....I am...so flame away....
No matter...almost Spring, snow melting, time to step away and enjoy life....cheers  :)
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: jeep00 on February 14, 2015, 05:09:47 PM
...Lol...I totally expected the "incompetence" replies....been playing this game far too long to use that excuse....please, I am NOT trying to stir the pot, I am simply stating what everyone else (everyone else who doesn't own a shade account that is) is saying on Range chat.
Problem is...no one wants to man up and say it aloud for fear of retribution....well, I'm saying it aloud, sorry, it needs to be said, blame it on whatever, we all know it to be true and until we grow a set and demand this BS to end....it will only get worse, as it has the last few years...

I have never said this on range. I have but one account. Therefore "everyone" is obviously inaccurate, along with those not saying it own a shade account.
Since I have flown around a bunch of people whom I have not heard say this, that seems to mean no one is saying it, using a sweeping generalization.
It's a game. I cannot think of one time someone else ruined it for me. Well, except pipz. You think I would just stop pullig his finger by now..
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Stang on February 14, 2015, 05:12:57 PM
Anyone who claims that shading has not become a serious problem in AH is in complete denial....the dwindling numbers are my proof...what's yours?    
Everyone says it....in whispering tones..but very few are ready to stand up and say it out loud....I am...so flame away....
No matter...almost Spring, snow melting, time to step away and enjoy life....cheers  :)


How is dwindling numbers proof of more shades? Do you even see the inherent contradiction in this?

Do you hang out with Rox?
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: jeep00 on February 14, 2015, 05:14:19 PM
I am curious to what the legitimate reasons would be.  For the life of me I am just drawing a blank on this.  WAKE UP YOU STUPID BRAIN! :bhead  It's going to be something so bloody obvious too, watch... :noid


On a side note, is anyone else having a problem with the Preview button not actually showing a preview?  Been having this issue for a couple of weeks now. :headscratch:

Multiple family members? Friends who don't have their own cc?
Plenty of reasons to have more than one account that have no relation to cheating or shading.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Someguy63 on February 14, 2015, 05:14:47 PM
Anyone who claims that shading has not become a serious problem in AH is in complete denial....the dwindling numbers are my proof...what's yours?    
Everyone says it....in whispering tones..but very few are ready to stand up and say it out loud....I am...so flame away....
No matter...almost Spring, snow melting, time to step away and enjoy life....cheers  :)

Well it hasn't. That is the truth.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 05:24:17 PM
Lol....now you're denying the dwindling numbers?
It's ok Kool-Aid drinkers....I'm paid up 'till the 2nd....then I'm gone....just like so many other veteran AH players....
Sooner or later...the 3 or 4 dozen of you left are going to have a great time....
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Lusche on February 14, 2015, 05:33:48 PM
Anyone who claims that shading has not become a serious problem in AH is in complete denial....the dwindling numbers are my proof...


I would like to see any conclusive evidence about how shading is the reason for the dwindling numbers.  :)
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: BigR on February 14, 2015, 05:48:14 PM
Lol....now you're denying the dwindling numbers?
It's ok Kool-Aid drinkers....I'm paid up 'till the 2nd....then I'm gone....just like so many other veteran AH players....
Sooner or later...the 3 or 4 dozen of you left are going to have a great time....

Gorf, you really dont make much sense. No one is denying that there are lower numbers these days, but there is no evidence that people are leaving because of Shades. Your argument is based on a totally unprovable assumption by YOU.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 05:50:09 PM
I apologize...
I was just standing up for what I have increasingly experienced...and so many others have quietly stated, didn't mean to upset anyone...like I stated, i'll be gone in...get this, lol....2 weeks  :lol...not trying to ruin anyone's fun. Believe what you will....

<S>
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: MrKrabs on February 14, 2015, 06:04:15 PM
I apologize...
I was just standing up for what I have increasingly experienced...and so many others have quietly stated, didn't mean to upset anyone...like I stated, i'll be gone in...get this, lol....2 weeks  :lol...not trying to ruin anyone's fun. Believe what you will....

<S>

Just make sure you leave the ball for other the children to play with...
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 06:15:29 PM
I'm not a moderator. I try to save time and effort for the busy people at HTC who have better things to do.

During WW2 my uncles were kids, such as you appear to be now, and they had a hidden radio. The Gestapo would have shot them if they found it. I'm sure you're just as brave now as they were then.  :rolleyes:

Sorry didn't see this insulting post....in response....I am 53 and have proudly served my country...which is why I don't need to speak of it, as YOU have sir....when and where did YOU serve??
Obviously your paying customers don't have any thing better to do?  
I work 2 jobs to pay the Mortgage...and I pay to be insulted by the very same people i'm paying my hard-earned money to?...seriously??
Well....I am sorry to bother you...it's ok...be gone soon......

EDIT.....tell you what....pay me back the difference between now and 3/2....i'll delete my account right now.....
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Slash27 on February 14, 2015, 06:22:29 PM
Sorry didn't see this insulting post....in response....I am 53 and have proudly served my country...which is why I don't need to speak of it, as YOU have sir....when and where did YOU serve??
Obviously your paying customers don't have any thing better to do?   
I work 2 jobs to pay the Mortgage...and I pay to be insulted by the very same people i'm paying my hard-earned money to?...seriously??
Well....I am sorry to bother you...it's ok...be gone soon......
Not that I like that dude but he is not a paid employee of HTC. CM Staff, Skinner Team, AvA Staff, Trainers, are all volunteer positions. HTC has the final say on game matters. I get they do represent the company in a respect but your only recourse in spite of your frustrations is to email HTC. You aren't the first to vent so don't get too bogged down with the back and forth on here. It won't get you any satisfaction. :salute
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 06:26:47 PM
Not that I like that dude but he is not a paid employee of HTC. CM Staff, Skinner Team, AvA Staff, Trainers, are all volunteer positions. HTC has the final say on game matters. I get they do represent the company in a respect but your only recourse in spite of your frustrations is to email HTC. You aren't the first to vent so don't get too bogged down with the back and forth on here. It won't get you any satisfaction. :salute

You are correct...again I apologize....when my service to my country was brought into question, it got my blood up...However, I still stand fast with my OP...I will leave it there and let the flame-tards have their day......
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: FLS on February 14, 2015, 06:27:45 PM
You believe referring to me as gestapo is acceptable but my calling that childish is an insult.    :lol
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Slash27 on February 14, 2015, 06:31:23 PM
You are correct...again I apologize....when my service to my country was brought into question, it got my blood up...However, I still stand fast with my OP...I will leave it there and let the flame-tards have their day......
Thanks for your service. :salute

And people do spy here and there but you have to take the bad with the good on it I guess.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Gorf13 on February 14, 2015, 06:48:44 PM
Thanks for your service. :salute

And people do spy here and there but you have to take the bad with the good on it I guess.

No...like I stated in my OP...it has always been there....but it has become blatantly in your face obvious, and a lot of folks are talking about it.
And equally as obvious, the powers that be don't care.
Regardless of what some have posted here, look at the first page of this thread...mostly positive, then, the attacks begin, which is fine, it's the internet.
My point is that this is why no one is speaking up about these things, they don't want to be muted or banned from posting or flamed, etc.
I don't care about all that, I have big shoulders.
I love AH, but am deleting my account today, not in 2 weeks, screw it, keep the difference.
If you don't want to listen to your paying customers, then fine, buh-bye.

EDIT...Account deleted and game uninstalled...good luck <S>
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: GhostCDB on February 14, 2015, 07:03:58 PM
Going to make a shade accountant. HTC please deny my extra $15 a month so you can satisfy Gorf.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: MrGeezer on February 14, 2015, 07:07:27 PM


How is dwindling numbers proof of more shades? Do you even see the inherent contradiction in this?

Do you hang out with Rox?



Thank you for confirming you are still a horse's rear.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Wizz on February 14, 2015, 07:08:58 PM
As soon as I have the chance to buy my next pc I will start a 2nd account. This account will be used on the same country as my primary account as a constant start runner or 29 on standby at at for whatever is needed. I could care less if someone shades or not.

I think the question is why are we talking about this?
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: JunkyII on February 14, 2015, 07:17:18 PM
POTW regularly sends up 262 flights for long range sweeps. At 20k on 6500 rpm, you can fly forever at about 400IA. The K4 was one of our squad mates acting as a scout near a hot zone to vector us in for your bombers. Now this is if it was knights 262 that caught you. We caught a number of B24 flights last night. POTW values the reports of our squadmates and come to their aid or their directions to good eating at all times. Shade accounts for greifing the game more describe someone with a wee willy complex than anything else.
That wasn't us....they fly Knight as well.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Arlo on February 14, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
Did I miss spy night?  :confused:
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Guppy35 on February 14, 2015, 07:26:29 PM
Can someone clarify what these shades are doing to ruin the game?

Too often it seems to be the howling that comes after someones plan not working like they wanted it to.  

If there is something more insidious going on I'd like to know.  
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Citabria on February 14, 2015, 07:27:41 PM
fortunately the limits to multiple account sin AH are reserved to intel. in lesser more mainstream MMO's what seems to be treated as a valid game tactic of multiboxing is epidemic.
fortunately the value of this tactic once the battle is started is nonexistant in a sim like this where actual skill matters.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Stang on February 14, 2015, 07:33:03 PM
Can someone clarify what these shades are doing to ruin the game?

Too often it seems to be the howling that comes after someones plan not working like they wanted it to.  

If there is something more insidious going on I'd like to know.  

That is unfortunately what it comes down to. One guy flies over 200 feet and a momentary blip is all it takes... Once a base starts flashing is plenty of time to up against a large noe raid and stop it. If you pay attention to the map they're easy to spot.

I've listened to the rantings of Rox for years, gorf seems like he's in a like minded group who all think the only way someone upped to stop them was spying. While this does happen, it's the exception not the norm.

Is Achilles account still active for that matter?
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Slash27 on February 14, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
Can someone clarify what these shades are doing to ruin the game?

Too often it seems to be the howling that comes after someones plan not working like they wanted it to.  

If there is something more insidious going on I'd like to know.  
I guess the guys who make B lines to enemy CV locations in the middle of no where on some maps would be an example. I don't think it has a huge impact on game play however.

I guess it's not an example of "ruining" the game so never mind. :D
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Wiley on February 14, 2015, 08:22:29 PM
I guess the guys who make B lines to enemy CV locations in the middle of no where on some maps would be an example. I don't think it has a huge impact on game play however.

I guess it's not an example of "ruining" the game so never mind. :D

CV hunting is the only thing that is a legitimate gripe about shades.  Everything else, if your goon/mission plan doesn't account for enemy finding you, your plan sucks and deserves to fail.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Kruel on February 14, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
fortunately the limits to multiple account sin AH are reserved to intel. in lesser more mainstream MMO's what seems to be treated as a valid game tactic of multiboxing is epidemic.
fortunately the value of this tactic once the battle is started is nonexistant in a sim like this where actual skill matters.

Intresting point =) Someone could have all the intel in the world but they still need the skill to come kill someone else...and its not like that person can't see them coming from 6k away..
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: Devil 505 on February 14, 2015, 09:17:43 PM
I guess the guys who make B lines to enemy CV locations in the middle of no where on some maps would be an example. I don't think it has a huge impact on game play however.

I guess it's not an example of "ruining" the game so never mind. :D

Remember a few years ago when it was trendy to park the CVs in the far corners of the map? If these alleged "shades" are sinking them before they can be "saved," I say these "shades" are doing a damn fine job.
Title: Re: Shading....Cheating
Post by: hitech on February 14, 2015, 09:28:16 PM
What parts of rules 7 and 8 do you not understand?