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Title: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 17, 2015, 09:52:00 PM
http://youtu.be/NgS3x1MPQBc

 :airplane:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 17, 2015, 10:00:39 PM
 :rofl

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 17, 2015, 10:02:52 PM
Did you really have to use the Midway quote?????? :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 17, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Did you really have to use the Midway quote?????? :rofl :rofl :rofl
:banana:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 17, 2015, 10:40:16 PM
Doesn't count, tail slides are gamey. I like a more fatty taste in my ACM's.


 :ahand
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 17, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
Doesn't count, tail slides are gamey. I like a more fatty taste in my ACM's.


 :ahand
I've seen that maneuver be done in IL2 videos so it counts :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 17, 2015, 10:48:54 PM
lol at the Midway quote
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 17, 2015, 10:52:53 PM
for someone who talks so much about ACM...I am flabbergasted at the HOing done by him...

seriously

maybe you don't know skyrr..but the guns are in front of fighters...

the goal is to kill the enemy WITHOUT allowing him a gun solution on you yourself.....


HOing is....well anti ACM

someone as smart as yourself should know that.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Scotch on February 17, 2015, 11:43:10 PM
 :banana:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: RotBaron on February 17, 2015, 11:47:54 PM
 :x

 :airplane:

 :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: wpeters on February 18, 2015, 12:04:53 AM
 :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 18, 2015, 08:11:55 AM
for someone who talks so much about ACM...I am flabbergasted at the HOing done by him...

seriously

maybe you don't know skyrr..but the guns are in front of fighters...

the goal is to kill the enemy WITHOUT allowing him a gun solution on you yourself.....


HOing is....well anti ACM

someone as smart as yourself should know that.

Can you beat him?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Triton28 on February 18, 2015, 08:40:13 AM
 :aok :rofl

Ghost is always somebody's fanboy, but this version of him is the cutest by far I think. 
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: -ammo- on February 18, 2015, 09:43:04 AM
In a D-11 no less.  It's a killer I tell ya!
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Bruv119 on February 18, 2015, 10:12:56 AM
I do think skyyr would beat Ink 1vs1 though so shouldn't really be talking trash about his skill level.]

Nice flying and shooting Jo!   :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 18, 2015, 10:58:39 AM
I do think skyyr would beat Ink 1vs1 though so shouldn't really be talking trash about his skill level.]

Nice flying and shooting Jo!   :aok
thanks mate.  :cool:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 18, 2015, 11:04:38 AM
http://youtu.be/NgS3x1MPQBc

 :airplane:

Just plain nasty
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 18, 2015, 11:50:03 AM
:aok :rofl

Ghost is always somebody's fanboy, but this version of him is the cutest by far I think.

Asking a question is being a fan boy? Who would've thought.

I do think skyyr would beat Ink 1vs1 though so shouldn't really be talking trash about his skill level.]

Nice flying and shooting Jo!   :aok

So does Bruv comment make him a fan boy?

------------------

INK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jjnCoBobc (2:25)

Triton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6jjnCoBobc (2:43) ; (2:49) ; (2:54) ; BUT WAIT, theres more ; (3:04)
In reference to what you said at 2:54, what exactly do "you'll have in store" for him?

Fanboy Mode Engaged





Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 18, 2015, 11:54:15 AM
*sigh*
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: -ammo- on February 18, 2015, 12:12:52 PM
This thread has the makings of another humdinger!  Any bets on how many posts before Skuzzy finds and locks it?  I'll throw my ante in at 105 posts by COB tomorrow.


And I will say I am impressed with Skyyr's flying.  Just watched that "tribute" to the muppets (like to music too) and there was some impressive moves.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 18, 2015, 12:29:37 PM
Our videos show a lot cooler kills. Just sayin...
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Triton28 on February 18, 2015, 01:43:47 PM
Asking a question is being a fan boy? Who would've thought.

Depends on the question and the motivation for asking it.  In this case, no, asking one question is not all that makes you a fanboy.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 01:56:13 PM
Can you beat him?


he was a bit harder to take down then you that's for sure. :aok




Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 01:58:27 PM
Shots fired!  :x

It was a good snapshot (I was the third but died before scoober hit the ground, I actually hit him a few times and committed and overshot, got face shot lol..more my horrid shooting than anything else...

I think you collided (2 L's) into each other though, since you got a collided message as well (ya both shoulda died imo), However where as when ChangeUp collided, he was behind Skyyr.(Just using the source material where the precision comment came from)


Ah well, video wars are much more fun and objective than forum wars!

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: darkzking on February 18, 2015, 02:00:41 PM
how come i never get this kinda hate  :cry
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 18, 2015, 02:02:07 PM
Shots fired!  :x

It was a good snapshot (I was the third but died before scoober hit the ground, I actually hit him a few times and committed and overshot, got face shot lol..more my horrid shooting than anything else...


Ah well, video wars are much more fun and objective than forum wars!
yes the ol jug lived to its rep and shrugged the hits you put rear of the cockpit! Lol
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 02:04:40 PM
I do think skyyr would beat Ink 1vs1 though so shouldn't really be talking trash about his skill level.]

Nice flying and shooting Jo!   :aok

he got me a few times since I have been back.... :aok


and I have gotten him...

I have fought much more difficult guys then him.


who had far more honor and respect....he knows none of those things....
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
he got me a few times since I have been back.... :aok


and I have gotten him...

I have fought much more difficult guys then him.


who had far more honor and respect....he knows none of those things....

I think he means duel..dont you guys have one scheduled soon? Make sure you knock all the rust off
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 02:24:56 PM
I think he means duel..dont you guys have one scheduled soon? Make sure you knock all the rust off


ill be in there tonight :aok

I have no doubt I will have to bring my HO avoiding game.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Copprhed on February 18, 2015, 02:37:25 PM
Doesn't matter whether Ink wins or loses, he still wins because of attitude and honor. There are many who may not beat Skyyr, but anyone wins who has a better attitude and more honor. By the way, the best description of his attitude is hubris. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 02:37:45 PM

ill be in there tonight :aok

I have no doubt I will have to bring my HO avoiding game.

Yeah, I feel ya bruh. All the duels on ChangeUp, Triton, Agent,  Violator, Debrody,  and Batfink were HO shots. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 18, 2015, 02:42:02 PM
Skyyr is a good stick....he's just a dick...and a salamander...on his ankles kruel licks....and the other ghost sticks....I do enjoy all the youtube flicks...because I get to learn new tricks  :D

All seriousness Ink vs Skyyr will be a pretty good fight....don't even have to ask for the films, I'm sure they will be posted within 24 hours of the action.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 02:47:35 PM
Yeah, I feel ya bruh. All the duels on ChangeUp, Triton, Agent,  Violator, Debrody,  and Batfink were HO shots. :rolleyes:

that's all he has showed me...every time he engaged since I have been back...instant HO...and that's how he was right before I left.


I don't care how he flies, but when you spout all this crap about ACM and then HO at every opportunity....

don't be mad because I call out the hypocrisy of your buddie :rolleyes:

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
Yeah, I feel ya bruh. All the duels on ChangeUp, Triton, Agent,  Violator, Debrody,  and Batfink were HO shots. :rolleyes:

(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DogHumpGifFoot.gif)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 18, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Junky and player  :rofl


Oh geez hehe


Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Krupinski on February 18, 2015, 03:18:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7PRqto9AQ
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 18, 2015, 03:26:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7PRqto9AQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx7PRqto9AQ)


Nicely done. You left out the part when I had one flap and aileron. Also, I've never proclaimed myself a master of anything.


I enjoyed our last several fights - please see my channel for some others.


https://www.youtube.com/user/Skyyr/videos
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Krupinski on February 18, 2015, 03:27:45 PM
I'm famous w00t  :D


Anything to deny you a kill.  :aok


Edit: Be sure to check out mine too, it's full of reversals and other goodies!

https://www.youtube.com/user/Krupnski/videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/Krupnski/videos)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
who had far more honor and respect....he knows none of those things....

A man isn't defined by the affirmations of his actions, but rather of his own actions alone.

You don't act honorable only to receive the respect of others. You act honorable to honor yourself, that is integrity. Respect of others is but a bonus when you truly have self respect.

Lol Honor..I think people here confuse honor and respect with sportsmanship..

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Bobcat81 on February 18, 2015, 03:44:48 PM
 :rock
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 03:45:12 PM
A man isn't defined by the affirmations of his actions, but rather of his own actions alone.

You don't act honorable only to receive the respect of others. You act honorable to honor yourself, that is integrity. Respect of others is but a bonus when you truly have self respect.

Lol Honor..I think people here confuse honor and respect with sportsmanship..

I want you to know, that is complete garbage.

Before you try acting all philosophical, you should take a full assessment of your situation.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 03:50:16 PM
A man isn't defined by the affirmations of his actions, but rather of his own actions alone.

You don't act honorable only to receive the respect of others. You act honorable to honor yourself, that is integrity. Respect of others is but a bonus when you truly have self respect.

Lol Honor..I think people here confuse honor and respect with sportsmanship..

Honor and sportsmanship go hand in hand

you don't "act" honorable.

you ether are...or you are not.









Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 18, 2015, 03:51:15 PM
We should all have a contest to see who can achieve the best K/D in Ki61s next tour to see who really does perform the best in the MA.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 03:54:56 PM
We should all have a contest to see who can achieve the best K/D in Ki61s next tour to see who really does perform the best in the MA.

I have a much better idea...


the one who can post up a screen shoot of getting a kill with the most red cons around him....you lose points if green are closer then 6k. :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 18, 2015, 03:56:39 PM
I have a much better idea...


the one who can post up a screen shoot of getting a kill with the most red cons around him....you lose points if green are closer then 6k. :aok


Latrobe already got us beat brah hahahahahaah
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 03:56:58 PM
that's all he has showed me...every time he engaged since I have been back...instant HO...and that's how he was right before I left.


I don't care how he flies, but when you spout all this crap about ACM and then HO at every opportunity....

don't be mad because I call out the hypocrisy of your buddie :rolleyes:

There are several publications covering front quarter shots and full head on shots in ACM..Shaw is a famous example..

Hypocrisies lol, I'm sure Skyyr has some slow mo films just to prove who starts shooting first in a lot of those HO passes but that's besides the point lol.

Simple answer: Just because it's taboo in AH doesn't mean it isn't ACM, slowbie.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 03:57:19 PM
I have a much better idea...


the one who can post up a screen shoot of getting a kill with the most red cons around him....you lose points if green are closer then 6k. :aok

The red cons have to be above you though.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 04:00:17 PM
(http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/DogHumpGifFoot.gif)

Lmao that's awesome, how's it feel to get owned by that Chihuahua coming in with alt speed and friends?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 04:02:30 PM
There are several publications covering front quarter shots and full head on shots in ACM..Shaw is a famous example..

Hypocrisies lol, I'm sure Skyyr has some slow mo films just to prove who starts shooting first in a lot of those HO passes but that's besides the point lol.

Simple answer: Just because it's taboo in AH doesn't mean it isn't ACM, slowbie.

you crack me up....

HO is the exact opposite of ACM......

and this is a game...not real life......using what was done in real life, as a comparison to what we do here is laughable at best and straight up disrespectful at worst.


The red cons have to be above you though.

above you.... below you...all around... :-)


Latrobe already got us beat brah hahahahahaah


dont be so sure about that :t
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 04:04:16 PM
Honor and sportsmanship go hand in hand

you don't "act" honorable.

you ether are...or you are not.

English class: act by actions not act (like a movie actor).

So if I find film showing you pulling the trigger first in HO in the MA (where you don't know with 100 percent certainty who you are shooting at), if I find that film does that make you dishonorable, AND a hypocrite?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 04:06:18 PM
Lmao that's awesome, how's it feel to get owned by that Chihuahua coming in with alt speed and friends?

You saw that?
Oh well, not like I care.

Did you also see the 7 sorties after that where I was harassing him constantly as well as beating one of his "gamey" shots? Of course not, that would make him look bad.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 18, 2015, 04:06:59 PM
you crack me up....

HO is the exact opposite of ACM......

and this is a game...not real life......using what was done in real life, as a comparison to what we do here is laughable at best and straight up disrespectful at worst.



What I see here is a lot of whining. If you want to HO, then HO. If you don't, then don't.


ACM allows for HO'ing. If you're going to claim you fly according to ACM, then quit complaining about HO'ing. If you're not going to claim you're following ACM, then that's fine too - play by whatever rules you'd like. Just don't complain when I follow established rules for air combat in general.


As a side note, there is an art to HO'ing. Notice in this engagement, my opponent shoots first. Not only did I return fire, but I killed him in one pass while completely avoiding his shots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU)


-=S=-
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 04:14:23 PM
you crack me up....

HO is the exact opposite of ACM......

and this is a game...not real life......using what was done in real life, as a comparison to what we do here is laughable at best and straight up disrespectful at worst.

You almost do the work for me,

The Head-on  is part of ACM(documented), but in your AH simplified view of it, you regard ACM to the ability of saddling up on someone's 6, but that's not all of ACM. There are head on s, wingman ACM, defensive ACM, offensive ACM.

Here is where you shoot yourself in the foot: You complain someone doesn't apply your simplified version of ACM (a RL tactic/doctrine) then complain about it being "Just a game" and it's laughable when someone tries to apply that doctrine to the game....wow.

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 04:17:45 PM
English class: act by actions not act (like a movie actor).

So if I find film showing you pulling the trigger first in HO in the MA (where you don't know with 100 percent certainty who you are shooting at), if I find that film does that make you dishonorable, AND a hypocrite?

I generally avoid the HO as much as possible......

if I am in a plane that has a major HO advantage I will use that......(probably still lose...my aim is that bad)


I have HOed for sure never said I didn't...I just don't use it as a way to fight.....

ACM was thought into being..... to get a kill on an enemy while avoiding the chance he may kill you......

am I incorrect in that?

dont think so.....


 HOing in a fight is allowing yourself to get in the gun solution of the enemy...hence it is the opposite of ACM.


What I see here is a lot of whining. If you want to HO, then HO. If you don't, then don't.


ACM allows for HO'ing. If you're going to claim you fly according to ACM, then quit complaining about HO'ing. If you're not going to claim you're following ACM, then that's fine too - play by whatever rules you'd like.


As a side note, there is an art to HO'ing. Notice in this engagement, my opponent shoots first. Not only did I return fire, but I killed him in one pass while completely avoiding his shots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU)


-=S=-

skyrr you are as delusional as I have ever seen....

post up the 2 or so fights before that where all you did was HO and then I just got sick of it and HOed back....



wow you need help....serious help.




You almost do the work for me,

The Head-on  is part of ACM(documented), but in your AH simplified view of it, you regard ACM to the ability of saddling up on someone's 6, but that's not all of ACM. There are head on s, wingman ACM, defensive ACM, offensive ACM.

Here is where you shoot yourself in the foot: You complain someone doesn't apply your simplified version of ACM (a RL tactic/doctrine) then complain about it being "Just a game" and it's laughable when someone tries to apply that doctrine to the game....wow.



when did I ever say "saddle" someone :headscratch: I hate saddling someone that's the hardest shot to make....
 


maybe someone out there said HOing is ACM....it is possible I guess...doesn't make it true...

people take words and actions out of contexts all the time...

just like skyyr little film of the DA....the sad part is he knows he was HOing..knows I didnt HO the first 2 or 3 fights....

yet he sits here and plays it off.....

in my book that's is a complete dishonorable way of life....he needs help...I'm starting to think that old saying....... birds of a feather...is really coming into play here.




Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 04:45:41 PM

What I see here is a lot of whining. If you want to HO, then HO. If you don't, then don't.


ACM allows for HO'ing. If you're going to claim you fly according to ACM, then quit complaining about HO'ing. If you're not going to claim you're following ACM, then that's fine too - play by whatever rules you'd like.


As a side note, there is an art to HO'ing. Notice in this engagement, my opponent shoots first. Not only did I return fire, but I killed him in one pass while completely avoiding his shots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU)


-=S=-

Oh there is the video right on queue, showing the honorable and respectable gentleman taking the first shot
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Triton28 on February 18, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
As a side note, there is an art to HO'ing. Notice in this engagement, my opponent shoots first. Not only did I return fire, but I killed him in one pass while completely avoiding his shots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv4OGkJX-OU)

I agree.  I captured some HO'ing in it's highest form recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nSJfyvwyjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nSJfyvwyjE)

 

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 18, 2015, 05:17:02 PM
I agree.  I captured some HO'ing in it's highest form recently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nSJfyvwyjE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nSJfyvwyjE)


For shame! Please link your deaths prior to and after that encounter. Naughty little man.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 18, 2015, 05:20:13 PM
Depends on the question and the motivation for asking it.  In this case, no, asking one question is not all that makes you a fanboy.

So no comment about what Bruv said?  :lol



Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 05:23:45 PM
Lol! That was awesome, more videos! I like how they win one or 2 engagements and make a production about it, while we post 20-30 kills, I like that ratio..keep em coming!

Lol @ the flopping fish (who wrecked you in a duel) lol
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 18, 2015, 05:30:33 PM
Oh there is the video right on queue, showing the honorable and respectable gentleman taking the first shot
Same goes for a certain LA in my film :)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 05:33:03 PM
Same goes for a certain LA in my film :)

Oh for sure, but we don't complain about someone's honorable HO shots while taking some of our own, we just take em and move on ...see the difference?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 18, 2015, 05:37:13 PM
Lol. You guys are dorks :kiss:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 18, 2015, 05:48:24 PM
Oh for sure, but we don't complain about someone's honorable HO shots while taking some of our own, we just take em and move on ...see the difference?
yes, I do...

I'm probably the biggest HOer in game! They didn't call me "WilHoJo" for no reason :)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 05:59:23 PM
Lol! That was awesome, more videos! I like how they win one or 2 engagements and make a production about it, while we post 20-30 kills, I like that ratio..keep em coming!

Lol @ the flopping fish (who wrecked you in a duel) lol

Seriously, your abs must be rock hard from all the humping you're doing.

You act like the DA is the be all end all in this game. It's not. It's a small fraction of what goes on in our little turtle sandbox, so do us a favor and stop using it as your go-to line. You sound like a broken record.

You talk about videos being posted out of context, that's funny coming from the guys who have mastered the technique. Here's the funny thing though, nobody outside of your little fan club is really impressed. I get it, I do. People usually make a video that makes them look good, it's human nature. The level that skyyr is doing it on though is full blown narcissism. He says that he doesn't care but he seems to be trying really hard to get peoples approval. I would be even more impressed if he wasn't always flying low ENY, cannon packing uber planes with a high power to weight ratio. Put up a kill montage in a P-47D-11 like Jo did, better yet, do it in a P-40C. Then you'll start impressing me.

And yes, skyyr has shot me down. A lot, I challenge you to go out and find someone who plays this game who hasn't. Everyone in the game has watched me fly a plane right into a tree, or crash a 262 trying to land. The difference between the way I behave and the way you and your crew behaves is that I don't go running off at the mouth or running to youtube screaming "look at me!" when I do get the kill.

Skyyr is no doubt a skilled pilot, but he fails to practice his skills on a regular basis. I watched him do a cross control stall in an LA7 about 50 feet off the ground, and yes he did make me overshoot. Yes, he did shoot me down earlier that night. No, I'm not going to make excuses about why it was or was not BS. It was a stupid mistake on my part.

Your group continues to cling desperately to this illusion that you are liked by members of the community. Out side of a few select individuals, nobody really does. In fact, most of us just sit and laugh at how idiotic your posts become as the threads progress. But hey, why should you care? "We don't give a damn." That is your motto right?

Ball's in your court, how now brown cow?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 18, 2015, 06:03:01 PM
INK, now that I think about it you fly a KI84.
You might as well be Midway Jr, flying a Ki is just as hard as flying a Spit VIII.

I do re-call you killing me in the MA. I was in a P51 you in a Ki84. I even had more E, you got me fair and square.

But you DIDNT recall the times in the DA when Poison was still around when I made you quit out of not being able to beat my 38J with your Ki. I out flew you AFTER you said it wasn't fair for me because Ki84 was too good for a 38.

It's funny how you recall victories but not failures.

I will fight anyone in the Muppets, I don't care.

I hold no grudges.

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 18, 2015, 06:38:39 PM
Dragon Tamer / Player1,


We never claimed the DA was the end-all be-all. We don't really even like it. We were told the DA is "where it counts" (by many in this thread, no less) and that the MA is just for fun. That's why we bring up the DA results.


We're here for one reason: to kill. We're not here to win community awards, appreciation, or anything else. It's a game, a great game, but it's a game. If our opponents don't like us (and we constantly switch sides and end up fighting all sides), then winning in said game is that much more satisfying.


Also, I don't recall killing you while doing a cross-control stall in an LA-7. I remember fighting you about 8-9 times in a D9, but perhaps I forgot. Here's the last fight I had with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPSWhzQyngc


-=S=-


Always a pleasure to fight you.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 18, 2015, 06:46:57 PM
Seriously, your abs must be rock hard from all the humping you're doing.

You act like the DA is the be all end all in this game. It's not. It's a small fraction of what goes on in our little turtle sandbox, so do us a favor and stop using it as your go-to line. You sound like a broken record.

You talk about videos being posted out of context, that's funny coming from the guys who have mastered the technique. Here's the funny thing though, nobody outside of your little fan club is really impressed. I get it, I do. People usually make a video that makes them look good, it's human nature. The level that skyyr is doing it on though is full blown narcissism. He says that he doesn't care but he seems to be trying really hard to get peoples approval. I would be even more impressed if he wasn't always flying low ENY, cannon packing uber planes with a high power to weight ratio. Put up a kill montage in a P-47D-11 like Jo did, better yet, do it in a P-40C. Then you'll start impressing me.

And yes, skyyr has shot me down. A lot, I challenge you to go out and find someone who plays this game who hasn't. Everyone in the game has watched me fly a plane right into a tree, or crash a 262 trying to land. The difference between the way I behave and the way you and your crew behaves is that I don't go running off at the mouth or running to youtube screaming "look at me!" when I do get the kill.

Skyyr is no doubt a skilled pilot, but he fails to practice his skills on a regular basis. I watched him do a cross control stall in an LA7 about 50 feet off the ground, and yes he did make me overshoot. Yes, he did shoot me down earlier that night. No, I'm not going to make excuses about why it was or was not BS. It was a stupid mistake on my part.

Your group continues to cling desperately to this illusion that you are liked by members of the community. Out side of a few select individuals, nobody really does. In fact, most of us just sit and laugh at how idiotic your posts become as the threads progress. But hey, why should you care? "We don't give a damn." That is your motto right?

Ball's in your court, how now brown cow?

If you want to find out who is the better pilot(1v1) then the DA is a pretty good way to measure that.

Not sure what you mean by "out of context" the videos being posted here are kill shot videos, there's nothing else mentioned in them, so I guess you can check that box off.

The YouTube videos have some pretty good comments from people out side of our squad, do you can check that box off too (even though it's a secondary product of the video's intentions).

We don't post most videos as "look at me!" It's more like "rofl look at them!". However, you could say that about almost anyone who posts a video on these forums then right?

Skyyr doesn't practice..rofl..check that box off too lol. Glad you don't make excuses though..that's freshing.

We don't give a Damn, that's why we will continue to do what we find to be fun..see?

"From DOWNTOWN! Swish! He Scores!"

Here's your ball back...
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 06:47:13 PM
Also, I don't recall killing you while doing a cross-control stall in an LA-7. I remember fighting you about 8-9 times in a D9, but perhaps I forgot. Here's the last fight I had with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPSWhzQyngc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPSWhzQyngc)


-=S=-


Always a pleasure to fight you.

You didn't get me with the cross control stall, you almost did though. I managed to roll under your nose at the last second. It happened one or two sorties after the video you posted (not sure how many sorties it was for you).

I will also admit that was one hell of a shot that you made in the video. I can't hit something with taters unless I'm right on top of it, though I don't usually fly tater planes enough to really get any practice with them.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Triton28 on February 18, 2015, 07:03:57 PM
So no comment about what Bruv said?  :lol

You are not Bruv. 
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 18, 2015, 07:13:58 PM
Skuzzy's gonna be mad when he finds out you nerds have been throwing your poo all over his redone forum.








Cool video JOACH1M
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 18, 2015, 07:20:35 PM
You are not Bruv.

 :rofl

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Hungry on February 18, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
So I don't have film I know if you don't have film it didn't happen, but one night after a few beers I hit the rim dead center not a drop on the lid from over 8 feet away, what an amazing shot, I actually was in a controlled stall while doing it, this is another peeing contest thread right?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 18, 2015, 07:26:27 PM
If you want to find out who is the better pilot(1v1) then the DA is a pretty good way to measure that.

This is true, however the MA also provides something that the DA doesn't. Dynamics. A pilot's skill can also be measured in the MA by the amount of risks they take and how often they come out on top. Flying into a fight with a 10k alt advantage and picking the highest con is low risk, high reward. A pilot that does the opposite and comes in at or below all of the red cons and fights upwards has a high risk, low reward. Assuming that both pilots get the same number of kills before they get killed, it can be said that of these two pilots, the one that is putting himself at a disadvantage is the better stick. That being said, it's much harder to get an accurate reflection on who is the better pilot because of variables such as numbers, plane sets, energy states, etc.

Not sure what you mean by "out of context" the videos being posted here are kill shot videos, there's nothing else mentioned in them, so I guess you can check that box off.

Thought for sure you said something along those lines in this thread... oh well. I don't usually end up getting involved in threads like this so I don't exactly keep a list of what was said when. I don't really care enough to start either.

The YouTube videos have some pretty good comments from people out side of our squad, do you can check that box off too (even though it's a secondary product of the video's intentions).

I'm assuming that the definition of "good" is positive feedback relating to the video. So how many of them are active game members? That number might be a bit harder to prove. I'm willing to bet that it's less than ten.

We don't post most videos as "look at me!" It's more like "rofl look at them!". However, you could say that about almost anyone who posts a video on these forums then right?

Either one of these feeds back into the narcissism I mentioned.

Skyyr doesn't practice..rofl..check that box off too lol. Glad you don't make excuses though..that's freshing.

The definition of the word "practice" as I used it in the context above means to make applicable or execute.

We don't give a Damn, that's why we will continue to do what we find to be fun..see?

And to this, let me ask another question. Fun is a realative term that changes from person to person. Each person will end up having a different definition of the word (much like honor or love). But when is the last time you laughed at something in game? I mean falling out of your chair laughter. The kind of laughter that you laugh so hard, and so long that you stomach starts to hurt, the dumbest little quirk will cause you to burst out laughing again.

"From DOWNTOWN! Swish! He Scores!"

Here's your ball back...

I would also like to send a shout out to FESS for trying to turn fight me in a P-51. I was shocked when I saw a pony actually try and turn fight for a change. And despite what many of the pony drivers have been saying for years, the world did not come to an end.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 18, 2015, 07:43:55 PM
Skyyr definitely does practice....if anything he is what the XBOX world calls a "Try Hard".  :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 18, 2015, 08:18:32 PM
Skyyr definitely does practice....if anything he is what the XBOX world calls a "Try Hard".  :aok


Pfffft.  :ahand   :P


Halo MLG 08-09 FTW!
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: SkyRock on February 18, 2015, 08:28:33 PM
Can you beat him?
as easily as you are beaten.  :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: SkyRock on February 18, 2015, 08:31:53 PM
Yeah, I feel ya bruh. All the duels on ChangeUp, Triton, Agent,  Violator, Debrody,  and Batfink were HO shots. :rolleyes:
are you saying... err saying for cryrr.. err... does he HO in duels???
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: SkyRock on February 18, 2015, 08:34:19 PM

I will fight anyone in the Muppets, I don't care.

shhh... adults and people that matter are talking...  :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 18, 2015, 08:59:31 PM

Pfffft.  :ahand   :P


Halo MLG 08-09 FTW!
You were in MLG??? Nerd!!!!  :aok

I watch all the big gamers on MLG tv...pretty incredible how good they get at games.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JOACH1M on February 18, 2015, 09:06:03 PM
You were in MLG??? Nerd!!!!  :aok

I watch all the big gamers on MLG tv...pretty pathetic how good they get at games.
Fixed.  :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 18, 2015, 09:15:59 PM
Fixed.  :rofl

Professional gaming?  I'm going to piss myself laughing if this turns into a discussion about the legitimacy of "Professional Gaming".




Are there actually people on here stupid enough to believe that playing video games can be a profession?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 18, 2015, 09:20:18 PM
INK, now that I think about it you fly a KI84.
You might as well be Midway Jr, flying a Ki is just as hard as flying a Spit VIII.

I do re-call you killing me in the MA. I was in a P51 you in a Ki84. I even had more E, you got me fair and square.

But you DIDNT recall the times in the DA when Poison was still around when I made you quit out of not being able to beat my 38J with your Ki. I out flew you AFTER you said it wasn't fair for me because Ki84 was too good for a 38.

It's funny how you recall victories but not failures.

I will fight anyone in the Muppets, I don't care.

I hold no grudges.

made me quit..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl



what fantasy land do you live in.



holy hell you guys are absolutely mind boggling in your stupidity.


 
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 18, 2015, 09:30:08 PM
made me quit..... :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl



what fantasy land do you live in.



holy hell you guys are absolutely mind boggling in your stupidity.


 

It's funny isn't it, I thought so too when you left after proclaiming "I'm having a bad flying day"

 :rofl

SkyPebbles in for the rescue?

Like I said, I will duel any of you.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 18, 2015, 09:46:10 PM
Professional gaming?  I'm going to piss myself laughing if this turns into a discussion about the legitimacy of "Professional Gaming".




Are there actually people on here stupid enough to believe that playing video games can be a profession?
There are people who make a living playing videogames....its a fact....go to youtube and look up Pewdiepie.....

Do you make more money then him?????

A better way to put it is that to actual get that dream job(Hell yea I would play video games for the rest of my life if I knew I'd make a good living) you have similar odds to making a living playing golf.


Pfffft.  :ahand   :P


Halo MLG 08-09 FTW!
Come on bro, with 100 hours flown last month you can't say you ain't trying hard :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 18, 2015, 09:58:39 PM
Come on bro, with 100 hours flown last month you can't say you ain't trying hard :aok


I can say I've done better than a majority of players with even 5x my flight hours... and we both know it.  :aok  Remember, I've just been here a year.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Scotch on February 18, 2015, 11:31:02 PM
Eh, more of the same.

I'll come back in another six pages and pick up there.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 18, 2015, 11:44:41 PM
There are people who make a living playing videogames....its a fact....go to youtube and look up Pewdiepie.....

Do you make more money then him?????

A better way to put it is that to actual get that dream job(Hell yea I would play video games for the rest of my life if I knew I'd make a good living) you have similar odds to making a living playing golf.


I don't doubt people make money off bizarre stuff like that, but the whole idea and culture of "Gamers" and "Pro Gaming" is crazy. Playing video games is just consuming media, there is next to no creative value or self improvement to playing video games.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 19, 2015, 12:12:44 AM

I don't doubt people make money off bizarre stuff like that, but the whole idea and culture of "Gamers" and "Pro Gaming" is crazy. Playing video games is just consuming media, there is next to no creative value or self improvement to playing video games.

No no there is hand-eye coordination and for some games a certain level of planning.

By the way there is relatively little of that^^^

I'd rather make money off of something I can consider a real achievement, not sitting on my bellybutton all day playing a game.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 19, 2015, 12:33:53 AM

I can say I've done better than a majority of players with even 5x my flight hours... and we both know it.  :aok  Remember, I've just been here a year.
True, I know I put up 100 hour tours early on, but I didn't have any flight sim experience and I spent most of my starting years in Tanks, Bombers, and Jabbos. (Why I think it's funny when Base takers get mad at me for doing certain things, I was originally all about TEH WAR!!!)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 19, 2015, 12:35:57 AM
Glzz this thread needs GIFS.  :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 19, 2015, 12:40:47 AM
Glzz this thread needs GIFS.  :rofl
All threads need GIFS :aok
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: darkzking on February 19, 2015, 12:53:02 AM
when i find a new skyyr post
(http://http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/011/644/27751394.jpg) :devil
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: darkzking on February 19, 2015, 01:19:37 AM
Leaked image of Skyrr Muppet merges(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1872519/naruto-an-sasuke-kiss-o.gif)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 19, 2015, 01:20:56 AM
Leaked image of Skyrr Muppet merges(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1872519/naruto-an-sasuke-kiss-o.gif)


oh crap.... :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 08:41:32 AM
You guys asked for it....


What I see when I walk in on these threads.

(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/2299_zpsiuseuhqy.gif)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 19, 2015, 08:48:27 AM
You guys asked for it....


What I see when I walk in on these threads.

(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/2299_zpsiuseuhqy.gif)

 :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 09:23:49 AM
"He's a try hard"


(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/pic-dump-4-10_zpsdcfb383e.jpg)


"All he does is run"
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 19, 2015, 09:32:05 AM
You guys asked for it....


What I see when I walk in on these threads.

(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/2299_zpsiuseuhqy.gif)

(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Anna-Kendrick-WTF-Confused-Reaction-Gif.gif)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: JunkyII on February 19, 2015, 09:50:04 AM
"He's a try hard"


(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/pic-dump-4-10_zpsdcfb383e.jpg)


"All he does is run"
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 19, 2015, 10:27:09 AM
You guys asked for it....


What I see when I walk in on these threads.

(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/2299_zpsiuseuhqy.gif)


Lmfao!!!
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: jeep00 on February 19, 2015, 10:44:50 AM
Dragon Tamer / Player1,


We never claimed the DA was the end-all be-all. We don't really even like it. We were told the DA is "where it counts" (by many in this thread, no less) and that the MA is just for fun. That's why we bring up the DA results.


We're here for one reason: to kill. We're not here to win community awards, appreciation, or anything else. It's a game, a great game, but it's a game. If our opponents don't like us (and we constantly switch sides and end up fighting all sides), then winning in said game is that much more satisfying.


Also, I don't recall killing you while doing a cross-control stall in an LA-7. I remember fighting you about 8-9 times in a D9, but perhaps I forgot. Here's the last fight I had with you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPSWhzQyngc


-=S=-


Always a pleasure to fight you.

It can't be easy with the connection you had the other night. I'd be hard pressed to hit anything with a connection that bad. Of course, I'm already pretty hard pressed to hit mucb more than the ground most sorties.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 19, 2015, 11:07:39 AM
It can't be easy with the connection you had the other night. I'd be hard pressed to hit anything with a connection that bad. Of course, I'm already pretty hard pressed to hit mucb more than the ground most sorties.

That wasn't my connection - that was the room and everyone was jumping at the time. Both you and Rud3boi were lagging all over the place, so much so that I saved the Fraps from it because Rud3boi kept claiming I was cheating/warping on demand.

My connection is very consistent, and rarely is lag due to something on my end.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 11:55:27 AM
The MA has been having lag for the last couple of days. Its really a pain....


Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: mechanic on February 19, 2015, 12:18:18 PM
That 3rd kill...the La7 noob... got owned so bad it made me chuckle. That kill was priceless.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: wpeters on February 19, 2015, 12:24:46 PM
I believe  ACM stands for advanced Combat Manuver.  Which is to say that a front quarter shot is as legit as a rear shot.  The only difference is that the ho puts you in his gunsight also.   
Now if you write a Ah ACM book and leave out the front shots then you can say it isn't a ACM

If it comes to honor technically speaking  a home should be the honorable shot.  Because isn't honorable to shoot someone in the back. 
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Zoney on February 19, 2015, 01:02:02 PM

I can say I've done better than a majority of players with even 5x my flight hours... and we both know it.  :aok  Remember, I've just been here a year.


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Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
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Yep - created my forum account back in 2006, back when about 20 other FA pilots came over to try the game out. Doesn't mean I've been flying since then.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 01:24:52 PM
I tried posting a Video of one of my flights on to youtube but it immediately re-routed me to YouPorn.....


Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 19, 2015, 01:27:59 PM
I tried posting a Video of one of my flights on to youtube but it immediately re-routed me to YouPorn.....

Did you at least try and upload it while you were there?
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 19, 2015, 01:29:01 PM
Did you at least try and upload it while you were there?

:lol
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 01:50:15 PM
Did you at least try and upload it while you were there?

What choice did I have  :D


I guess the conversations I had in the text buffer are to "explicit" for regular youtube.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 19, 2015, 02:06:31 PM
I believe  ACM stands for advanced Combat Manuver.  Which is to say that a front quarter shot is as legit as a rear shot.  The only difference is that the ho puts you in his gunsight also.   
Now if you write a Ah ACM book and leave out the front shots then you can say it isn't a ACM

If it comes to honor technically speaking  a home should be the honorable shot.  Because isn't honorable to shoot someone in the back.

Hoing is a tactic...not ACM.


in another age and day yes shooting someone in the back was a cowardly act....

but in the age of dogfighting...and most especially "virtual dogfighting" where 2 or more people try to use ACM to kill one another.....


well I think you know where I am going with this. ;)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 19, 2015, 02:38:49 PM
Hoing is a tactic...not ACM.


in another age and day yes shooting someone in the back was a cowardly act....

but in the age of dogfighting...and most especially "virtual dogfighting" where 2 or more people try to use ACM to kill one another.....


well I think you know where I am going with this. ;)

Let's clarify something

Front-quarter and head-on (HO) are not the same thing. Shooting someone from the front-quarter is not necessarily a HO.

ACM, at its core, is established to solve weapon-solution problems, which are both angular and geometric in nature. This means that if you can get your guns on the opponent, ACM has done its job. Front-quarter shots were never in question, and absolutely never have been.

What did come into question was the mutually-assured destruction we call a "head-on" attack, which implies zero or near-zero deflection. If both opponents approach each other with near-zero deflection, both can presumably shoot each other - this presents a danger to the pilot who wants to live past the engagement and is generally a no-brainer. The shot itself was still never in question, but rather the vulnerability it places you at. Yet again, the head-on attack by the very fact that it has a definition is a valid ACM tactic. It just isn't a wise one to use unless you massively outgun your opponent or are at a maneuvering and airspeed disadvantage.

So, going forward -

Front-quarter shots: Good.
Head-on shots: Iffy and generally unwise.

Now that we've established that, let's focus on front-quarter shots. You seem to imply that taking a front-quarter shot is somehow less skilled... "because ACM." No, ACM exists to bring your guns onto an opponent. Whether it's done from the front or back matters not.

The real issue here is experience. When two turnfighters meet, most are usually jockeying for angular gain at the merge, which requires being offset from the opponent. This usually precludes being able to take a shot at the same time, so you rarely run into two experienced turnfighters who will take such a shot.

However, once you introduce energy fighting tactics, things change quite a bit.

Energy fighters aren't generally preoccupied with angular gains, therefore they have no inherent requirement to offset their merges, allowing them a great amount of freedom to take shots. Mix an energy fighter (who's looking for any shot possible) with a turnfighter (who is looking almost entirely for angular gains) and the turnfighter is going to get shot up on almost every possible pass. This is simply the nature of energy vs turning tactics.

An experienced turnfighter will see this and understand the dynamic of why this is occuring. An inexperienced one, or one who has little experience to anything except his style of flight, is going to make excuses and cry and whine about said tactics, not understanding why they happen or the necessity of such shots to the other style of flight.

It never occurs to the turnfighter that if they flew head-on against the energy fighter, the energy fighter would likely avoid such shots. Instead, the turn-fighter blindly continues to try to gain angles on the merge and then complains when they are shot for presenting such an undefended target to the energy-fighting attacker.

This is merging tactics 101, and is a given in air combat sims as a whole.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 19, 2015, 02:40:36 PM
Hoing is a tactic...not ACM.


in another age and day yes shooting someone in the back was a cowardly act....

but in the age of dogfighting...and most especially "virtual dogfighting" where 2 or more people try to use ACM to kill one another.....


well I think you know where I am going with this. ;)

That is correct. It is a tactic. And nothing more.

ACMs are a set of maneuvers that attempt to put the pilot into an advantaged position over the other. A HO is mearly two pilots flying directly toward each other blazing their guns hoping the other misses. Therefore, neither pilot has performed any advantaged maneuvers. It is a very dangerous tactic. I wouldn't even try to get in this position in real life.
There is no skill level involved in a HO other than aiming. You can set up the HO merge all day long and practice shooting each other in the face. But A. You won't have an advantage B. You are not performing a maneuver to attempt to put yourself in an advantaged position. Therefore, a HO is not ACM.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 02:49:29 PM
:headscratch: I don't get why HOing(Front Quarter shots) is such an issue, they're pretty difficult shots to make, and rather easy to avoid. If someone is going to cut in front of your flight path and not pay attention, is it wrong to make them pay for lazy SA? Here is a clip of me taking a shot at a 190 on the merge. How am I not supposed to take a shot like this? Through experience I know most 190D's won't commit to an aggressive merge when roughly co-alt and co-E, especially against a plane that handles and climbs better.

 As a general rule you should always expect someone to pull the trigger when their guns are pointed at you, because in the end that what dog fighting is all about.


TBH, HO shots are the coolest looking, thats mostly why I don't understand why people get so mad about them.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Skyyr on February 19, 2015, 02:54:50 PM
:headscratch: I don't get why HOing(Front Quarter shots) is such an issue, they're pretty difficult shots to make, and rather easy to avoid.

Bingo. They're not any more of a true issue than anything else is. The predominant reason you hear about them is when players, generally turnfighters, attempt to use aggressive merging tactics to gain angles at the start of a fight. These types of merges have very big tells and can generally be shot with a good degree of consistency by someone with decent accuracy.

Typically a turnfighter tries to gain big angles at the merge, gets shot, then cries because their favorite tactic doesn't work like it did against players who didn't take the shot.

Notice you virtually never hear complaints about legitimate HO's (where both players lined-up and fired), it's almost always from a turnfighter who got nailed trying to pull lead and then claimed it was a HO that they held fire in after the fact.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: ink on February 19, 2015, 02:56:00 PM
Let's clarify something

Front-quarter and head-on (HO) are not the same thing. Shooting someone from the front-quarter is not necessarily a HO.

ACM, at its core, is established to solve weapon-solution problems, which are both angular and geometric in nature. This means that if you can get your guns on the opponent, ACM has done its job. Front-quarter shots were never in question, and absolutely never have been.

What did come into question was the mutually-assured destruction we call a "head-on" attack, which implies zero or near-zero deflection. If both opponents approach each other with near-zero deflection, both can presumably shoot each other - this presents a danger to the pilot who wants to live past the engagement and is generally a no-brainer. The shot itself was still never in question, but rather the vulnerability it places you at. Yet again, the head-on attack by the very fact that it has a definition is a valid ACM tactic. It just isn't a wise one to use unless you massively outgun your opponent or are at a maneuvering and airspeed disadvantage.

So, going forward -

Front-quarter shots: Good.
Head-on shots: Iffy and generally unwise.

Now that we've established that, let's focus on front-quarter shots. You seem to imply that taking a front-quarter shot is somehow less skilled... "because ACM." No, ACM exists to bring your guns onto an opponent. Whether it's done from the front or back matters not.

The real issue here is experience. When two turnfighters meet, most are usually jockeying for angular gain at the merge, which requires being offset from the opponent. This usually precludes being able to take a shot at the same time, so you rarely run into two experienced turnfighters who will take such a shot.

However, once you introduce energy fighting tactics, things change quite a bit.

Energy fighters aren't generally preoccupied with angular gains, therefore they have no inherent requirement to offset their merges, allowing them a great amount of freedom to take shots. Mix an energy fighter (who's looking for any shot possible) with a turnfighter (who is looking almost entirely for angular gains) and the turnfighter is going to get shot up on almost every possible pass. This is simply the nature of energy vs turning tactics.

An experienced turnfighter will see this and understand the dynamic of why this is occuring. An inexperienced one, or one who has little experience to anything except his style of flight, is going to make excuses and cry and whine about said tactics, not understanding why they happen or the necessity of such shots to the other style of flight.

It never occurs to the turnfighter that if they flew head-on against the energy fighter, the energy fighter would likely avoid such shots. Instead, the energy fighter blindly continues to try to gain angles on the merge and then complains when they are shot for presenting such an undefended target to the energy-fighting attacker.

This is merging tactics 101, and is a given in air combat sims as a whole.


well thank you for that engaging wall of text..... :rolleyes:


how can I say this without getting banned.......

nothing you say....nothing you do..will I ever contemplate.....


you have proven yourself to me to be type of person who I just don't like......

liars....


have a nice life.




Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DmonSlyr on February 19, 2015, 03:12:28 PM
:headscratch: I don't get why HOing(Front Quarter shots) is such an issue, they're pretty difficult shots to make, and rather easy to avoid. If someone is going to cut in front of your flight path and not pay attention, is it wrong to make them pay for lazy SA? Here is a clip of me taking a shot at a 190 on the merge. How am I not supposed to take a shot like this? Through experience I know most 190D's won't commit to an aggressive merge when roughly co-alt and co-E, especially against a plane that handles and climbs better.

 As a general rule you should always expect someone to pull the trigger when their guns are pointed at you, because in the end that what dog fighting is all about.


TBH, HO shots are the coolest looking, thats mostly why I don't understand why people get so mad about them.

In a duel, if both players can swing around and get dead nose to nose then it resets the merge and either player should have the benefit of setting up there next ACM tactic regardless of what tactic they choose ans not have to avoid the HO shot. It is known in AH as honorable dueling. Now of you flip over first and they have not got the nose all the way around at you hit them that is a fair front quarter shot. IMO there is a big difference in that. In the MA it is fair game so you just have to avoid it. I think avoiding HOs is easy too but in the DA it is a cheap shot.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 03:31:04 PM
In the DA I try to avoid the face shots if my opponent isn't fond of them. If someone is going nose on purposely to avoid getting shot than, I'm greasing them. On the flip side I never fought a duel that wasn't in a friendly context, I like to keep thing mode light and fun.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: darkzking on February 19, 2015, 05:14:52 PM
Honestly in a Duel after the merge if u bring that nose to me expect me to plunge a 37mm round into it i've been in plenty of duels with players  who will bring their nose HO to avoid getting shot well guess what u wanna bring ur nose HO then expect lead in your face. Only time i complain about getting HOed is when there is a whole horde shooting at me and thats just out of frustation :bhead
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 05:26:09 PM
Only time i complain about getting HOed is when there is a whole horde shooting at me and thats just out of frustation :bhead

Or when I HO you  :P


DA ME BRU!
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on February 19, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
Jesus... This whole thread is.... gone

Fighting on any forum with active administrators is like two boys soaked in gasoline arguing over who has more matches.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 19, 2015, 05:34:23 PM
Jesus... This whole thread is.... gone

Fighting on any forum with active administrators is like two boys soaked in gasoline arguing over who has more matches.

Shut up whiskey
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 05:35:08 PM
Shut up whiskey

KISS ME ANARCHY!
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on February 19, 2015, 05:36:28 PM
Shut up whiskey
Shut yer GOB before I fill it with shot!

 :ahand
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Nathan60 on February 19, 2015, 05:46:47 PM
This is entertaining and all but I'm waiting for that Skuzzy v. Ripley duel.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 06:06:29 PM
whats a Duel :headscratch:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 19, 2015, 06:53:05 PM
Shut yer GOB before I fill it with shot!

 :ahand

  :headscratch: :uhoh
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DrBone1 on February 19, 2015, 08:26:16 PM
why couldn't you guys post this in a section where I am actually paying attention.

I missed all the good posts!  :( :(
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 19, 2015, 08:28:44 PM
<------  Never made a good post ;(
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 19, 2015, 08:33:23 PM
why couldn't you guys post this in a section where I am actually paying attention.

I missed all the good posts!  :( :(

Well get to reading bruh.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 19, 2015, 08:44:55 PM
I laughed at what Whiskey said, lol.

But I laughed harder at Anarchy saying shut up

 :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: DrBone1 on February 19, 2015, 08:45:13 PM
 :rofl :rofl omg the gifs!
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 19, 2015, 09:21:48 PM
I laughed at what Whiskey said, lol.

But I laughed harder at Anarchy saying shut up

 :rofl
:rofl :rofl omg the gifs!

 :rofl

Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 20, 2015, 09:16:10 AM
:rofl

Where have you been these last few days
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 20, 2015, 11:43:12 AM
Where have you been these last few days

Playing another game, I'll be back on during the weekend.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 20, 2015, 12:16:21 PM
Playing another game, I'll be back on during the weekend.

Lame
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 20, 2015, 12:17:51 PM
Lame

Shut uppp
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 20, 2015, 12:22:07 PM
Shut uppp

Make me
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 20, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
He's playing one of those Anime Sex games :old:
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 20, 2015, 12:23:27 PM
He's playing one of those Anime Sex games :old:

 :rofl
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Someguy63 on February 20, 2015, 12:26:06 PM
Im done
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: darkzking on February 20, 2015, 01:25:58 PM
He's playing one of those Anime Sex games :old:

those are the best kind  :old: :O
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Kruel on February 20, 2015, 01:32:59 PM
Im done

Here's a tissue buddy! :: hands Anarchy tissue ::

 :)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: glzsqd on February 20, 2015, 02:12:44 PM
Here's a tissue buddy! :: hands Anarchy tissue ::

 :)

Noooo Anarchy.... Kruel didn't give those to you for your tears.
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on February 20, 2015, 02:32:05 PM
Noooo Anarchy.... Kruel didn't give those to you for your tears.

(http://www.ecos.com/downloads/LargeColorjpg/9850_HandLotionGrapefruit.jpg)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on February 20, 2015, 02:53:10 PM
He's playing one of those Anime Sex games :old:
Come ONNN..

You know what, who needs all this. I'm going to play some Sakura Spirit.

(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140730003421/gamegrumps/images/e/ee/SakuraSpirit.jpg)
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: SPKmes on February 20, 2015, 03:16:24 PM
Here's a tissue buddy! :: hands Anarchy tissue ::

 :)

(http://media1.giphy.com/media/H315tBsDtcGCk/200.gif)

that close you can pass a tissue

and after this thread http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369720.0.html    :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: 3 isn't enough...
Post by: GhostCDB on February 20, 2015, 05:40:43 PM
(http://media1.giphy.com/media/H315tBsDtcGCk/200.gif)

that close you can pass a tissue

and after this thread http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,369720.0.html    :lol :lol :lol

 :rofl