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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: shake307 on February 20, 2015, 11:01:42 PM
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I love WWII History. I love WWII Aircraft. I have studied many extensively. Consider it a hobby. Sadly, I have come to my peanut butter point. I cannot, in good conscience, continue with AH2. I find joining a squadron too difficult. I am not a terrible stick, either. I just try to not turn from a fight and wind up in the tower. Everything is a learning experience, right? I get shot down a lot. I haven't been playing 15 years. I don't have a favorite plane, but rather a list. Spit14, K4, Runstang, f4u-1a, nikki, and even a 205 if eny is too high (amazing plane, actually). Others like the 38L and D9 are back burner. I love all these aircraft and the history behind all of them. But this game, weird as it may sound, has turned me off. It is a close knit community. Outsiders (like me) aren't necessarily welcome. You all have your established squads and friends. I just ask, the next time you see shake307 in the air, say hello and fly along. I wouldn't hesitate to fly with anyone.
TL: DR AH2 sucks. No room for growth or newbs. Yall need to b more inviting and affable.
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Not sure how you came to this conclusion. :headscratch:
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Outsiders (like me) aren't necessarily welcome.
One thing sets Aces High apart from any other game out there. And, this is coming from my humble experience and opinion only, as a flight sim gamer since about '96, and a rabid gamer since the 80s arcades. Yes, I'm older. 52. Doesn't mean I'm out of touch, in fact, that's called experience ;)
Outsiders like you aren't welcome? You don't get to make a blanket statement like that and represent it as fact. It's not a fact, it's a feeling you have, and one that is quite frankly based on limited experience. It's also your problem to solve, not ours. There are two distinct types of games. One is a group hug, global embrace of the masses where the game is pure eye candy with a large community of back slapping and support, and you can face the opposite direction of the enemy and still score a kill because you were at least trying and that's what matters (world of warcraft, arguably the largest community and game out there), and then there is the purist who demands precision, effort, and a back bone, far more rare, specialized and demanding.
AH is not for the timid. It is not for the social experience to gain self worth through score. This is a game of die hard enthusiasts. We build scenarios that require countless hours of planning, strategy, debates, arguments and pushing ones will and drive to the limit. We require, demand, insist on, and expect the best, the hardest, the struggle, and more often than not judge a person not on their hopes and dreams, but on their accomplishments. We pride ourselves on cheering the one who entered an UN-winable fight and died over one who secured a victory when it was clear he should have. You don't get invited into a group of Type A personalities. You barge in. You take. You create. You demand and you back those demands up with accomplishments. If you expect to be embraced with open arms and then be handed the successes, results and rewards of players who have invested countless hours, you are going to be disappointed. If you are here waiting for someone else to justify you or legitimize you, you are going to be disappointed. You are surrounded by the greats. You are at the mercy of the skilled. You are in the presence of the talented and you are not going to be coddled and invited into that group. When you reach the top, you reach it by scraping, clawing, and fighting your way there. This is vital, it's important, because when you get there, it is something you actually earned. You don't need to be validated by the masses, you don't need to be embraced by the group, you earned your spot and reputation on your own and you KNOW it, and that's all you need.
It's harsh. It's cruel. It's empowering and enabling. You are surrounded by greatness. You are expected to be great. The top create their positions, they are not invited to it. This game is the single best example of what it takes to be the best. You don't see this game catering to the World of Warcraft crowd. You don't see this game cater to volume over talent. There is a reason "some" people come here while "most" don't. It's not our role to invite you in. It's your role to assume your position. Leadership and greatness require a confidence in self. We don't give you that. We can't. It's just a game. But this is the single best example of something mankind has learned ages ago, how you play is the purest reflection of who you are.
No room for growth or newbs. Yall need to b more inviting and affable.
There is plenty of room for growth. This is not a social experiment where we have to evenly divide the pie. You want in, barge in, we embrace the motivated and aggressive, and reward the successful. We have invited you in. We don't need to change. You need to step it up, trust me, it's worth it. We will stop you, we will fight you, we will berate, slander and embarrass you. If you allow us to dominate your view of yourself, you don't belong here. If you can handle that, you can handle anything. This Is Not Candy Crush! Don't be turned off by the attitudes in the game, learn it. Embrace it. Consider this, the Ford Taurus is a very popular car, the Ferrari Anything is a very Special car. Anyone can drive a Taurus, can you handle a Ferrari? You're sitting in it. Anyone can start it, but are you willing to learn how to drive it? It takes time, and a completely, radically different frame of mind to understand why it's different. You have to first understand, and admit, that you know what you know, but don't know what you don't know. When you figure that out, and realize you have to play this game against your own goals, own objectives, and your own measurement, then you will best fit into a squad if that's what you ultimately want to do. You have to understand this, you are not playing this game against us, you are playing this game against you, and there is no other game out there that will challenge you as hard, or reward you as much, as Aces High.
As an aside, I've been doing this since the mid 90s. I build scenarios. I've been on the top of the score boards. I've considered the score boards irrelevant. I've been the CO of a squad. I've been in a squad. I'm currently in no squad. The game isn't about what I'm a part of, but what I do. It's also, equally, about what you do. Not one time, in all my years, have I based a decision on what others did for me, or with me. Look what has been done with that frame of mind. Try it, you'd be amazed at the rewards that come not only in the game, but as a lifestyle.
Quit this? Think about it, do you really want to say you can't do this? This is THE measure, there is nothing else out there that will test you, and hold you accountable to your own decisions, like this one.
Anyone can say it's just a game. But like I've said before, how you play is the truest measure of who you are. So turn your back on what you expect, disregard what you think, and get in there and be the person you want to be.
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I love WWII History. I love WWII Aircraft. I have studied many extensively. Consider it a hobby. Sadly, I have come to my peanut butter point. I cannot, in good conscience, continue with AH2. I find joining a squadron too difficult. I am not a terrible stick, either. I just try to not turn from a fight and wind up in the tower. Everything is a learning experience, right? I get shot down a lot. I haven't been playing 15 years. I don't have a favorite plane, but rather a list. Spit14, K4, Runstang, f4u-1a, nikki, and even a 205 if eny is too high (amazing plane, actually). Others like the 38L and D9 are back burner. I love all these aircraft and the history behind all of them. But this game, weird as it may sound, has turned me off. It is a close knit community. Outsiders (like me) aren't necessarily welcome. You all have your established squads and friends. I just ask, the next time you see shake307 in the air, say hello and fly along. I wouldn't hesitate to fly with anyone.
TL: DR AH2 sucks. No room for growth or newbs. Yall need to b more inviting and affable.
I've been getting shot down in AH and Airwarrior before it for almost 20 years. Haven't died yet! If you are a WW2 aviation junkie, you've come to the right place.
Might be good to tell us your in game ID too so if someone sees you they can give a yell and maybe wing up with you.
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One thing sets Aces High apart from any other game out there. And, this is coming from my humble experience and opinion only, as a flight sim gamer since about '96, and a rabid gamer since the 80s arcades. Yes, I'm older. 52. Doesn't mean I'm out of touch, in fact, that's called experience ;)
Outsiders like you aren't welcome? You don't get to make a blanket statement like that and represent it as fact. It's not a fact, it's a feeling you have, and one that is quite frankly based on limited experience. It's also your problem to solve, not ours. There are two distinct types of games. One is a group hug, global embrace of the masses where the game is pure eye candy with a large community of back slapping and support, and you can face the opposite direction of the enemy and still score a kill because you were at least trying and that's what matters (world of warcraft, arguably the largest community and game out there), and then there is the purist who demands precision, effort, and a back bone, far more rare, specialized and demanding.
AH is not for the timid. It is not for the social experience to gain self worth through score. This is a game of die hard enthusiasts. We build scenarios that require countless hours of planning, strategy, debates, arguments and pushing ones will and drive to the limit. We require, demand, insist on, and expect the best, the hardest, the struggle, and more often than not judge a person not on their hopes and dreams, but on their accomplishments. We pride ourselves on cheering the one who entered an UN-winable fight and died over one who secured a victory when it was clear he should have. You don't get invited into a group of Type A personalities. You barge in. You take. You create. You demand and you back those demands up with accomplishments. If you expect to be embraced with open arms and then be handed the successes, results and rewards of players who have invested countless hours, you are going to be disappointment. If you are here waiting for someone else to justify you or legitimize you, you are going to be disappointed. You are surrounded by the greats. You are at the mercy of the skilled. You are in the presence of the talented and you are not going to be coddled and invited into that group. When you reach the top, you reach it by scraping, clawing, and fighting your way there. This is vital, it's important, because when you get there, it is something you actually earned. You don't need to be validated by the masses, you don't need to be embraced by the group, you earned your spot and reputation on your own and you KNOW it, and that's all you need.
It's harsh. It's cruel. It's empowering and enabling. You are surrounded by greatness. You are expected to be great. The top create their positions, they are not invited to it. This game is the single best example of what it takes to be the best. You don't see this game catering to the World of Warcraft crowd. You don't see this game cater to volume over talent. There is a reason "some" people come here while "most" don't. It's not our role to invite you in. It's your role to assume your position. Leadership and greatness require a confidence in self. We don't give you that. We can't. It's just a game. But this is the single best example of something mankind has learned ages ago, how you play is the purest reflection of who you are.
There is plenty of room for growth. This is not a social experiment where we have to evenly divide the pie. You want in, barge in, we embrace the motivated and aggressive, and reward the successful. We have invited you in. We don't need to change. You need to step it up, trust me, it's worth it. We will stop you, we will fight you, we will berate, slander and embarrass you. If you allow us to dominate your view of yourself, you don't belong here. If you can handle that, you can handle anything. This Is Not Candy Crush! Don't be turned off by the attitudes in the game, learn it. Embrace it. Consider this, the Ford Taurus is a very popular car, the Ferrari Anything is a very Special car. Anyone can drive a Taurus, can you handle a Ferrari? You're sitting in it. Anyone can start it, but are you willing to learn how to drive it? It takes time, and a completely, radically different frame of mind to understand why it's different. You have to first understand, and admit, that you know what you know, but don't know what you don't know. When you figure that out, and realize you have to play this game against your own goals, own objectives, and your own measurement, then you will best fit into a squad if that's what you ultimately want to do. You have to understand this, you are not playing this game against us, you are playing this game against you, and there is no other game out there that will challenge you as hard, or reward you as much, as Aces High.
As an aside, I've been doing this since the mid 90s. I build scenarios. I've been on the top of the score boards. I've considered the score boards irrelevant. I've been the CO of a squad. I've been in a squad. I'm currently in no squad. The game isn't about what I'm a part of, but what I do. It's also, equally, about what you do. Not one time, in all my years, have I based a decision on what others did for me, or with me. Look what has been done with that frame of mind. Try it, you'd be amazed at the rewards that come not only in the game, but as a lifestyle.
Quit this? Think about it, do you really want to say you can't do this? This is THE measure, there is nothing else out there that will test you, and hold you accountable to your own decisions, like this one.
Anyone can say it's just a game. But like I've said before, how you play is the truest measure of who you are. So turn your back on what you expect, disregard what you think, and get in there and be the person you want to be.
I think this is the single greatest post I have seen on these forums. Hats of to you sir. :rock
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I think this is the single greatest post I have seen on these forums. Hats of to you sir. :rock
if not..... pretty damn close.
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Work hard, PLAY HARDER! :rock
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MAR you SOB lol I did a WOT and you did
Work hard, PLAY HARDER! :rock
and said the same thing!!! :)
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MAR you SOB lol I did a WOT and you did and said the same thing!!! :)
You did a what with the who at the where now? :O
Oh don't mind me, I'm not up to speed on my intardweeb acronyms.
WOT: wall of text :bhead
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You did a what with the who at the where now? :O
And was it consenting? :bolt:
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I love WWII History. I love WWII Aircraft. I have studied many extensively. Consider it a hobby. Sadly, I have come to my peanut butter point. I cannot, in good conscience, continue with AH2. I find joining a squadron too difficult. I am not a terrible stick, either. I just try to not turn from a fight and wind up in the tower. Everything is a learning experience, right? I get shot down a lot. I haven't been playing 15 years. I don't have a favorite plane, but rather a list. Spit14, K4, Runstang, f4u-1a, nikki, and even a 205 if eny is too high (amazing plane, actually). Others like the 38L and D9 are back burner. I love all these aircraft and the history behind all of them. But this game, weird as it may sound, has turned me off. It is a close knit community. Outsiders (like me) aren't necessarily welcome. You all have your established squads and friends. I just ask, the next time you see shake307 in the air, say hello and fly along. I wouldn't hesitate to fly with anyone.
TL: DR AH2 sucks. No room for growth or newbs. Yall need to b more inviting and affable.
shake, the point of this game for most of us who last is not to be the best, but to have fun. everybody here will tell you i have zero skill and have no intention of getting any of it. what I excel at is making this game fun for me. join a squad or make a couple of friends. you can do this by telling people on 200 about your favorite sheep. how pretty and fluffy she is. that always is an ice breaker. just remember never touch anybody else's sheep. except bbaw's, he doesnt mind :).
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One thing sets Aces High apart from any other game out there. And, this is coming from my humble experience and opinion only, as a flight sim gamer since about '96, and a rabid gamer since the 80s arcades. Yes, I'm older. 52. Doesn't mean I'm out of touch, in fact, that's called experience ;)
Outsiders like you aren't welcome? You don't get to make a blanket statement like that and represent it as fact. It's not a fact, it's a feeling you have, and one that is quite frankly based on limited experience. It's also your problem to solve, not ours. There are two distinct types of games. One is a group hug, global embrace of the masses where the game is pure eye candy with a large community of back slapping and support, and you can face the opposite direction of the enemy and still score a kill because you were at least trying and that's what matters (world of warcraft, arguably the largest community and game out there), and then there is the purist who demands precision, effort, and a back bone, far more rare, specialized and demanding.
AH is not for the timid. It is not for the social experience to gain self worth through score. This is a game of die hard enthusiasts. We build scenarios that require countless hours of planning, strategy, debates, arguments and pushing ones will and drive to the limit. We require, demand, insist on, and expect the best, the hardest, the struggle, and more often than not judge a person not on their hopes and dreams, but on their accomplishments. We pride ourselves on cheering the one who entered an UN-winable fight and died over one who secured a victory when it was clear he should have. You don't get invited into a group of Type A personalities. You barge in. You take. You create. You demand and you back those demands up with accomplishments. If you expect to be embraced with open arms and then be handed the successes, results and rewards of players who have invested countless hours, you are going to be disappointed. If you are here waiting for someone else to justify you or legitimize you, you are going to be disappointed. You are surrounded by the greats. You are at the mercy of the skilled. You are in the presence of the talented and you are not going to be coddled and invited into that group. When you reach the top, you reach it by scraping, clawing, and fighting your way there. This is vital, it's important, because when you get there, it is something you actually earned. You don't need to be validated by the masses, you don't need to be embraced by the group, you earned your spot and reputation on your own and you KNOW it, and that's all you need.
It's harsh. It's cruel. It's empowering and enabling. You are surrounded by greatness. You are expected to be great. The top create their positions, they are not invited to it. This game is the single best example of what it takes to be the best. You don't see this game catering to the World of Warcraft crowd. You don't see this game cater to volume over talent. There is a reason "some" people come here while "most" don't. It's not our role to invite you in. It's your role to assume your position. Leadership and greatness require a confidence in self. We don't give you that. We can't. It's just a game. But this is the single best example of something mankind has learned ages ago, how you play is the purest reflection of who you are.
There is plenty of room for growth. This is not a social experiment where we have to evenly divide the pie. You want in, barge in, we embrace the motivated and aggressive, and reward the successful. We have invited you in. We don't need to change. You need to step it up, trust me, it's worth it. We will stop you, we will fight you, we will berate, slander and embarrass you. If you allow us to dominate your view of yourself, you don't belong here. If you can handle that, you can handle anything. This Is Not Candy Crush! Don't be turned off by the attitudes in the game, learn it. Embrace it. Consider this, the Ford Taurus is a very popular car, the Ferrari Anything is a very Special car. Anyone can drive a Taurus, can you handle a Ferrari? You're sitting in it. Anyone can start it, but are you willing to learn how to drive it? It takes time, and a completely, radically different frame of mind to understand why it's different. You have to first understand, and admit, that you know what you know, but don't know what you don't know. When you figure that out, and realize you have to play this game against your own goals, own objectives, and your own measurement, then you will best fit into a squad if that's what you ultimately want to do. You have to understand this, you are not playing this game against us, you are playing this game against you, and there is no other game out there that will challenge you as hard, or reward you as much, as Aces High.
As an aside, I've been doing this since the mid 90s. I build scenarios. I've been on the top of the score boards. I've considered the score boards irrelevant. I've been the CO of a squad. I've been in a squad. I'm currently in no squad. The game isn't about what I'm a part of, but what I do. It's also, equally, about what you do. Not one time, in all my years, have I based a decision on what others did for me, or with me. Look what has been done with that frame of mind. Try it, you'd be amazed at the rewards that come not only in the game, but as a lifestyle.
Quit this? Think about it, do you really want to say you can't do this? This is THE measure, there is nothing else out there that will test you, and hold you accountable to your own decisions, like this one.
Anyone can say it's just a game. But like I've said before, how you play is the truest measure of who you are. So turn your back on what you expect, disregard what you think, and get in there and be the person you want to be.
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have to agree with ROC. this game is what you make it to be. 1 thing it is not is a chat room of buddies. we all have our bad days, some like me more then most . im guessing you had a bad day. i have had people rip me on vox ,sure i was not happy but oh well. if you looking for a social game play on facebook, a social website.
There are a lot of players on here that put in a lot of time and effort .Take just the training area. they dont get paid to do this . Or the people who put on the scenarios, these people dedicate their time for everyone including you. We have air races. this game is more then just MA fighting rooks bishops and knights.
let me give you 1 bit of advice. when they tell you its a learning curve, laugh its more like a wall with a hole at the base you can fall down into. now its time for you to climb back up.
P.S. ROC says he older at 52 well I am 58 today and next week 59, may have to change my name to MAGIC59 :old:
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hmmm, what time(s) are you playing mostly? When I joined not all that long ago, ~2.5yrs I thought a lot of ppl were actually very welcoming. I was offered spots in squads and I wasn't even decent at flying as I quickly learned. I did a couple of months Bish, then a couple Rook and then Knights. Maybe hop around a bit. If you're a GV'r there are plenty of Knights that are pretty dedicated and a fun group.
You must have a sense of humor to communicate with most ppl in this game, the all business base take or high water folks seem to come and go more quickly imo.
Ask to fly FSO on Friday nights 3 weeks a month, many squads there are willing to let you hop right in with them and treat you like family. JG 54 is one of them.
Good luck. If you've got the flying and dying part down, then maybe find the plane you like the most, ask around who are some of the best in it and see if they'll give you some help.
Make an appointment with the trainers in the TA via this forum Help/Training and see the wonders it will do for you.
Good luck
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Oh and what ROC said :old:
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ROC - very good post.
OP - if you are willing to dedicate yourself to a P-47, and effectively handicap yourself in the MA, you can fly along with the 56th FG to see if you like it (and we like you).
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Shake anytime you are on nits side on a Tuesday night come fly with the PORW, we are a quote and unquote squad but we are here to have fun. If you need any the trainers are there for you. Heck most of the community will help if you ask. Just remember to stay away from Semp as he has a hard German accent from southern Canada that is hard to understand.
hmmm, what time(s) are you playing mostly? When I joined not all that long ago, ~2.5yrs I thought a lot of ppl were actually very welcoming. I was offered spots in squads and I wasn't even decent at flying as I quickly learned. I did a couple of months Bish, then a couple Rook and then Knights. Maybe hop around a bit. If you're a GV'r there are plenty of Knights that are pretty dedicated and a fun group.
You must have a sense of humor to communicate with most ppl in this game, the all business base take or high water folks seem to come and go more quickly imo.
Ask to fly FSO on Friday nights 3 weeks a month, many squads there are willing to let you hop right in with them and treat you like family. JG 54 is one of them.
Good luck. If you've got the flying and dying part down, then maybe find the plane you like the most, ask around who are some of the best in it and see if they'll give you some help.
Make an appointment with the trainers in the TA via this forum Help/Training and see the wonders it will do for you.
Good luck
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Like Rot said there are more options than the MA ..Friday Squad ops, fun and very chaotic. Tuesday they have AH Extreme Air Racing League, you defiantly learn the different plane sets and how they react. Scenarios on Sat afternoon, very realistic and fun. Give it a chance, and you will find a place to fit in and when you do you wil have a blast.
LAwndart
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ROC- :salute
Also, that should be a sticky, or added to the forum rules.
OP-it truly is what you make of it. Even "the best" are generally only the best at what they do, and that is not going to be every aspect of the game. Find your niche, and just go from there. You want to learn how you got shot down by x in y, then up that aircraft and look for them. A lot to be learned about strengths and weaknesses, of all kinds.
And squads are good for those who want and some banter is good, but I have yet to join one becquse I also like to fly in silence at times, and sometimes have to due to rl in the background. Also the standing order by most squads who have specifically requested I not join them.... :bolt:
It's a lot of fun and a lot to learn and as others have said, completely worth it.
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Difficult to join a squadron?!
Most squads will accept literally anyone. There is usually a short "trial" period in case the player turns out to be a jerk, but except for very few groups, there is no skill requirement.
Just go to the squads subforum on this BBS and your new squadron is one post away.
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ROC post rocks. :D
Also .... Shake .... didja go a-courtin' or were ya just hopin' you'd get noticed and invited to a squadron? I bet most any squad would let ya tag along with them (in the process, their most skilled and experienced will likely let you know if they think you'd do better trying things a different way .... and the less skilled of the lot will likely likely visit and tell bawdy jokes). It's different than those games out there that within 5 minutes of 'creating a character' you start getting pestered with pop-ups that say 'Demon Soul-eater has invited you to join The Pikachus' (sometimes 12 times in a row after you say no).
Heck, we gots us the dedicated die-hards that stick with the one squad they decide they like (and the squad likes back - hopefully) for life (literally - we've had our fair share of memorial flights, lately). We gots our squad-hoppers that've flown with bout every interesting squad around (because, well, they're all interestin'). We've got our lone wolves that don't fly with any squad (and makes fun of them all - but will wing with any other lone wolf they encounter).
Check the roster from time to time and look for squad names behind the names of players you find to be friendly, skilled and/or knowledgeable. When you bump into that player, ask them about their squad {"Hey Wngls1dr, does your whole squad fly only the P38L? When's squad night? Do you fly in events? Can I fly along with ya? Are you recruiting?) [Maybe not all that at once, though, cause it might come off needy/stalker-like]. Ask if they have a website. Visit it and see if they have pics and bios of people your age with similar interests and maybe to see what the squad is all about (historical - not historical, fighter oriented, bomber oriented, tank and PT boat oriented, completely disoriented, etc).
If all else fails, just show genuine interest.
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:salute hang in there brother. I have playing this game since sept 09. I still have trouble with it. so much I think I have figured out, then next time I play
wham-o something changed it don't work the same way. now if you don't like your squad, there are so many out there that don't mind new or the so called
bad stick that enjoy teaching others. also many trainers that really like to help others in the game. don't like the country, change to another one. so to recap
I suck at this game but there are a lot of very good sticks that will give you will help all you have to do is ask.
<S> bortas1 :cheers:
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I love WWII History. I love WWII Aircraft. I have studied many extensively. Consider it a hobby. Sadly, I have come to my peanut butter point. I cannot, in good conscience, continue with AH2. I find joining a squadron too difficult. I am not a terrible stick, either. I just try to not turn from a fight and wind up in the tower. Everything is a learning experience, right? I get shot down a lot. I haven't been playing 15 years. I don't have a favorite plane, but rather a list. Spit14, K4, Runstang, f4u-1a, nikki, and even a 205 if eny is too high (amazing plane, actually). Others like the 38L and D9 are back burner. I love all these aircraft and the history behind all of them. But this game, weird as it may sound, has turned me off. It is a close knit community. Outsiders (like me) aren't necessarily welcome. You all have your established squads and friends. I just ask, the next time you see shake307 in the air, say hello and fly along. I wouldn't hesitate to fly with anyone.
TL: DR AH2 sucks. No room for growth or newbs. Yall need to b more inviting and affable.
What are you looking for in the game? From your score it looks like you don't get very much time to play, or you choose not to play much. Like many have said you get out of the game what you put in.
If your not playing, how can you have fun right?
As to how you fly, it really doesn't matter, as long as your having fun. Now if you feel like your letting your teammates down by sticking in a fight too long well I hate to say it but thats your fault. No reason to feel guilty for fighting (you thought I was going to say get better at fighting didn't you :neener: ). If a squad is so tight about you doing something other than fighting then they are not the squad for you. My squad will drop bombs and dive into a fight at the least provocation, after all, with us at least, fighting is where the funs at!
If it's not the squad that is putting that pressure on you then it MUST be you. Either change you game play to get rid of the guilt, or fly with out worrying about it, which ever is easier for you.
I get to fly most of the day on Saturdays .... as long as I get all the chores my wife lays out for me done :D as rook most of the time. Look me up. I can get you killed plenty, but you said your use to that :aok
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:cheers: I have been playing off and on, mostly on, for about 15 years. Sadly, I am probably a worse stick than you :embarrassed:
There are so many different aspects to the game that I have found it possible to learn something new just about every week. Sometimes this knowledge actually helps me in a fight or situation. But mostly, it is just a wow, that really works?? :joystick: moment.
A couple of good suggestions:
Use country channel and announce that you would like to wing with someone flying a,b, or c plane, be patient and listen for mission announcements.
Find out where missions launch from and sit on the runway in your preferred plane and wait for the mission to launch (you can still do this after joining missions, if you launch to the runway before it auto launches you).
Fly in a FSO (Friday night squad operation) special event, or other special events. :cheers:
Lastly, find me "ChiLLi" online anytime (fly with Knights) and PM me. 2 heads are better than 1 :airplane:
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Typical case of how an arcade style player gets owned in AH2, whines about it, then quits. This is not a kids game. If you want to be good at something you practice. I was brought up by guys like Jarbo and vDallas who will grill your backside for blowing an assignment. There were times where I was left feeling like a piece of cap because Dallas was an a hole at times. I didn't whine about it, I took it to heart and challenged myself to get better. I kept flying with them and over time grew into a valuable asset. Now I'm one of the many who can compete on the highest level in this game. Looking back I'm lucky to have been taken under their wings and shown tough love.
I have no sympathy for you sir and yep I'm being a big jerk here but it sounds like you already made your mind up. This is a man's game full of alphas. If you can't hang you get shredded.
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Shake I'm sure a lot of the pigs on the wing will be flying this evening you can hang with us man, we're on the knights though we fly to have fun and nobody orders anybody around that just don't work with us lol we put the fun in dysFUNctional
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I cannot, in good conscience, continue with AH2. ... I just ask, the next time you see shake307 in the air, say hello and fly along. ... AH2 sucks.
It seems to me you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. How can anyone see you next time if you're leaving? And that parting shot is surely not going to gain you the respect of the community which you seem to desire.
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You want in, barge in, we embrace the motivated and aggressive, and reward the successful.
So what happened with Perdweeb then?
The only problem with ROC's post about survival of the fittest, having a strong backbone, and so on, is that in his particular case it isn't practice what you preach. If it was, why was Perdweeb banned from FSO/Events, not due to any rule breaking in the game, but due to personal comms with ROC and other CMs? Edit - you can add the entire squad of KN to that, since IT was banned from FSO/Events as a result as well.
I can understand where the rambling OP post is coming from - sort of - having been a member of a squad that was removed from FSO, when I personally had never said a single word to anyone about anything regarding it, yet POOF, adios squad and FSO, due to personal PMs, posts, and emails made by others - others not me - that CMs didn't like. If you're overly critical of anything regarding the old boys club, watch out, ostracization for you and any associated with you is just a whiny call to Skuzzy away. Where is the "it's a cruel harsh world out there, you just have to deal with it" theory when it comes to that?
I would say to the OP, ignore the self righteous and fallacious rambling posts giving contrary advice, and just continue to do your own thing, and find fun where you can. I've been playing as long or longer than anyone, and 90 percent of that time was solo, outside of any squad interaction. Make a wide variety of friends in multiple squads, most will let you hang out in their squad comms without actually being a member. Start doing that, and leave when you wish.
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Gman did you tell anyone at HTC that you were banned without cause?
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Well, I really didn't have to you see, since it was they that did it. Only one player, the CO, was actually banned from all events, but with him they banned the squad name, and forced the remaining uninvolved players to reform under a different person and a new name - which is called forcibly disbanding your squad.
This whole "rah rah" be aggressive, barge your way in, type of advice only counts so long as you completely agree with what those who are saying it say or do. Any contrary opinions, much less arguments voiced, and you risk going the same way as KN/Perdweeb did.
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Well, I really didn't have to you see, since it was they that did it. Only one player, the CO, was actually banned from all events, but with him they banned the squad name, and forced the remaining uninvolved players to reform under a different person and a new name - which is called forcibly disbanding your squad.
This whole "rah rah" be aggressive, barge your way in, type of advice only counts so long as you completely agree with what those who are saying it say or do. Any contrary opinions, much less arguments voiced, and you risk going the same way as KN/Perdweeb did.
Firing for effect with this next statement:
Grizz and Perdweeb have a lot in common and the community lost a ton with these guys.
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This thread is crap. Lock it mods before it turns into a flame war. Seriously this gonna get ugly...
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Why Wizz? FYI I completely agreed with all you said in your previous post. Sweeping things under the carpet, and not discussing them openly without risk of a PNG, much less removal from actual parts of the game (events) are part of what is wrong with this picture.
IF AH is going to have this bright new future with "legions" of new players signing up for the new game/model, attitudes need to change, or it's never going to happen.
Many have stated similar things, regarding Grizz, Perdweeb, and a host of others who are gone now, for the most ridiculous of reasons. I wouldn't have said a thing about it, but when I see one of the architects of the dismissal of one of these players start to say things about having a thick skin and so on, when he had anything but - it's a little much.
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A really good way to get involved is with the "pickup missions" we have in the game. i remember my first mission I joined. I was so afraid I would screw up. Earl, with the Devil Dogs was running the mission. He said over the vox after I told him this was my first mission, "Don't worry if you miss. You will get it next time." Every mission I have been in on since is made up of guys and girls that just do the best they can. If you miss or screw-up it is no real problem. If you don't know how to do something just ask. Lots of friendly advice.
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Well, I really didn't have to you see, since it was they that did it. Only one player, the CO, was actually banned from all events, but with him they banned the squad name, and forced the remaining uninvolved players to reform under a different person and a new name - which is called forcibly disbanding your squad.
This whole "rah rah" be aggressive, barge your way in, type of advice only counts so long as you completely agree with what those who are saying it say or do. Any contrary opinions, much less arguments voiced, and you risk going the same way as KN/Perdweeb did.
I don't understand your "rah rah be aggressive" comment.
If a squad leader is banned I believe you can reform under the same squad name. I took you to mean everyone in the squad was banned but you're saying that didn't happen.
From my experience I believe any contrary opinion is acceptable to HTC as long as it's presented with the respect everyone is entitled to. Sanctions result from personal insults and trying to force acceptance of other points of view.
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Firing for effect with this next statement:
Grizz and Perdweeb have a lot in common and the community lost a ton with these guys.
Totally different ballgame between those two. No comparison between Grizz and Perdweeb
Disrupting for the sake of being disruptive isn't helpful or constructive to anyone.
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Hey Guppy, glad you're back around.
That's the standard I always here - disruptive for the sake of disruption.
If that's the case, where is the evidence? Should you not be able to criticize any facet of the game you're paying to play? That's the point I'm making, ROC is saying to the OP in this thread to toughen up and so on - where was that with him and the CM team? It wasn't like Perdweeb was acting like Midway with piles of nonsense being posted - there was always a critical point regarding game design or features at the root of it, not just "you're my fighter pilot hero" types of nonsense involved.
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Dunno why you're comparing apples to bricks and trying to turn the thread into a Perdweeb/KN persecution thang. PD was pretty much an attention diva and got what he tried so hard to get for years. He coulda turned over the squad. That's got nothing to do with telling new players to approach the game with confidence. Please don't look for excuses to infuse a topic with unrelated unresolved issues.
Thanks.
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Totally different ballgame between those two. No comparison between Grizz and Perdweeb
Disrupting for the sake of being disruptive isn't helpful or constructive to anyone.
Sorry for baiting someone and that someone ended up being you Cork.
I look at it like this: there are reasons for both disruptions
and according to modern legend, Grizz created quite a disruption too right? I mean his disruption is what got him banned, not his simple conviction that the 12 hour rule was BS.
In that context they are identical...it's a matter of perspective.
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I'm only pointing out the hypocritical nature of telling a "new player", that isn't really "new", to be "aggressive, barge in, have a backbone" and so on to improve his lot, all things that Perdweeb did to the extreme, is the way to go, when this very attitude and method being recommended is something ROC didn't like. At all. Having access to the site/area away from HTC where CMs have discussed things for years makes the picture pretty clear on that score. I was merely responding to the OP and his issue surrounding the cliques of AH. And it wasn't like Perdweeb was the only victim of that. SheGotYa, and many other players - where are they now, and why?
If it was amended to say "be aggressive, barge in, so long as you don't do or say anything I don't like", that would be much better and accurate advice to the OP.
So far as it being apples/bricks, it still comes down to attitude and interaction between players, something the OP said very clearly was his primary issue. I wouldn't have even posted had ROC not posted, giving advice was is contrary to his past behavior when it comes to said interactions.
I'll give Arlo what he wants, and let him tell me what I can and can't say, and drop it now. So long as I get to tell him he has to promise not to post any more pictures or memes for the day, it's a deal.
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Hey Guppy, glad you're back around.
That's the standard I always here - disruptive for the sake of disruption.
If that's the case, where is the evidence? Should you not be able to criticize any facet of the game you're paying to play? That's the point I'm making, ROC is saying to the OP in this thread to toughen up and so on - where was that with him and the CM team? It wasn't like Perdweeb was acting like Midway with piles of nonsense being posted - there was always a critical point regarding game design or features at the root of it, not just "you're my fighter pilot hero" types of nonsense involved.
I would have agreed with that when I first encountered it, but as the years of the same BS went on and on despite everyone bending over backwards to try and accommodate, it became nothing but disruption for the sake of stirring the pot. And it was like clockwork from scenario to FSO and on and on.
I wasn't paying attention to the boards when the Grizz stuff went down so it's hard to comment on that. Grizz would give me a hard time off and on and it was usually when I was taking things too seriously. But it wasnt for the sake of just stirring things up and personally I never felt like I couldn't get along with Grizz
Perdweeb made it clear that his intent was to undermine and disrupt events. You ask for evidence. I'd imagine you'd be surprised at all the PMs that were sent and if we had the forums for the events going back you could easily track it.
Understand the Perdweeb act went on a long time and folks put a ton of effort into trying to make it work. In the end the powers that be said that's enough and drew the line and he couldn't respect that. No one to blame but himself
And do understand that you are pointing at ROC now, but the list of folks who just misunderstood Perdweeb is long. I made the list, shifty, Nef, Fencer, and on and on.
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Why Wizz? FYI I completely agreed with all you said in your previous post. Sweeping things under the carpet, and not discussing them openly without risk of a PNG, much less removal from actual parts of the game (events) are part of what is wrong with this picture.
IF AH is going to have this bright new future with "legions" of new players signing up for the new game/model, attitudes need to change, or it's never going to happen.
Many have stated similar things, regarding Grizz, Perdweeb, and a host of others who are gone now, for the most ridiculous of reasons. I wouldn't have said a thing about it, but when I see one of the architects of the dismissal of one of these players start to say things about having a thick skin and so on, when he had anything but - it's a little much.
I said lock it because look what this topic is becoming and it's just gonna burn lol :salute for example the last few post about this squad ban thing. Just see this getting nasty is all :evil:
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Gman, Aggressive and disruptive are two very different things. Maybe someday you might figure that out, but I doesn't matter to me if you do or not. Have a wonderful day :)
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My suggestion to the OP is make friends with a newbie. Start a squad. Request training. Practice with your squad mate.
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Hey Guppy, glad you're back around.
That's the standard I always here - disruptive for the sake of disruption.
If that's the case, where is the evidence? Should you not be able to criticize any facet of the game you're paying to play? That's the point I'm making, ROC is saying to the OP in this thread to toughen up and so on - where was that with him and the CM team? It wasn't like Perdweeb was acting like Midway with piles of nonsense being posted - there was always a critical point regarding game design or features at the root of it, not just "you're my fighter pilot hero" types of nonsense involved.
:old: Not nonsense. FPHs are important to some and a great example to many. :aok
Many people admire their sports heros: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/list/heroes.html
FPHs are no different once you realize how much time and effort they put into being the best and how nice they can be when helping out the less experienced.
Fighter Pilot Heros indeed. :)
:salute :bolt:
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Holy God. I don't even know where to begin. I was a bit intoxicated when I was OP. I love AH2. BTW, my in game I'd is shake307. ROC, thanks for the long and motivational, if not a bit arrogant, post. To the Fugitive, thanks for looking at my score and play time. Didn't think anyone would do that. I have not played recently for my computer is on the fritz and I don't have the funds to repair. And to Wizz, how dare you say I am just another arcade player. You don't even know me. And to all those that say I am too "soft" for Aces High, I came from EVE. I admit that a lot is my fault. I play at odd times and I did have a bad day. Upped a goon when called for but didn't have any cover in the whole sector. Kind of dampened my mood. If I cared about score, I wouldn't even up the damn goon. I just want to have fun with a fun group. I guess it all boils down to me having a tough time finding that. A lot my fault, but I would like to have a little bit of flight time with others. I have flown with some, and it was awesome. Talking about Latrobe and LTown. Those two were the most memorable.
TL; DR Community seems rabid to keep any who come. Computer kind of broken. I am just looking for people to fly with. Game ID shake307.
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Dude this game is hard. But it is real. This is the big leagues. You might even go through different names as you develop. Its a dynamite game and it takes time to learn so just relax and die a lot like we all did. No one expects the level of difficulty when they first get here. That is the beauty of it. But you will learn real fighter combat to the realness. Hiteck does a great job with the planes
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I remember one of my first virtual combats. I was in a f6 and had this 51 coming at me. I thought cool I have an alt advantage! I had maybe 50 feet on the guy ehhehe He proceeded to clean my clock. Its not easy stuff to learn and after all these years I am still learning. When I came over from Air Warrior to AH I was "Shocked" at what was being said on the open coms channel hehehhe I got over it. Its a competitive environment. That being said there are a lot of good people in this game. I tend to think the bad eggs are more visible because they cant control themselves and have the "look at me" mentality. Keep at it. You will find people as it seems you already have who you enjoy playing the game with. Eventually you will fall into a squad if that's what ya want. You may just decide to hang out and move around a bit. I switch sides and participate in the FSO so I can hang out with folks I normally would be fighting with and have a great time. Feel free to look myself and 71 RAF up when you are in the game. We tune to an open channel so visitors are welcome.
In closing.
"A bandit on your six is better than no bandit at all"..... :) :aok
HUZZAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was a bit intoxicated when I was OP.
Drunk posting, like drunk dialing, drunk texting or drunk driving, is never a good idea. Ever.
And to all those that say I am too "soft" for Aces High, I came from EVE.
ADAM and EVE? just joking. I know of EVE.
On being too sensitive for Aces High, "Lighten up, Francis."
I was in the real life USAF, and it took me a while to comprehend the group behavior of making your friends miserable. Many guys told me that they wouldn't be messing with my head if they didn't like me. On the surface, it looks mean. In a group dynamic, it wasn't so bad. It was young studs testing each other. It was important not to look weak. There is the anonymity of the internets to make some guys into bullies. Nothing can be done about that.
Give back as good as you get. Establish personal bounds that you won't cross. Have fun with the airplanes.
I play at odd times and I did have a bad day. Upped a goon when called for but didn't have any cover in the whole sector. Kind of dampened my mood.
Happens to everyone.
TL; DR Community seems rabid to keep any who come. Computer kind of broken. I am just looking for people to fly with. Game ID shake307.
Four pages of posts in 32 hours. You touched a nerve.
If you are ever on rooks, look for me as RufLeak. :salute
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Whats going on with your computer Shake - we may be able to help.
Oh, and dont mind the majority of this lot, good guys to a man/woman, once you get used to em.
Wurz
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You are right Rufus. Nerves were touched. I appreciate all these responses. I also appreciate the Stripes reference. Now to answer gpwurzel. My computer is having hardware issues. It is an older laptop and the cooling fan will make this loud buzzing noise like a bearing or bushing is out. Or it may be the hard drive. Not really sure. It only does it at certain times and concussive maintenance seems to make 8th stop. I am nearing the time to buy a new computer as I don't believe the one I have is worth repairing. Also, my in game ID is shake307. Thank you all for lighting that fire under my prettythang :salute
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Hey Shake :) All good fun Sir, welcome to the game.
Arrogant? Yep lol
About EVE online, I started that up about 4 months ago, spending my time getting used to the interface, doing missions, learning the overall concept of the game. I've gotten a few invites to join a corporation but until I have a better grasp on the basics, I'm not going to get into one. It is clearly a more social game though, boring as all hell going solo and I can see the benefits of running with a group, but again, being a stubborn and ambitious type of person, I want to know the game and bring something to the group before I jump in. I am really impressed with the overall structure of that game though, it's pretty complex.