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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gman on February 26, 2015, 07:57:16 AM
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I've been waiting for video of this event -
http://theaviationist.com/2015/02/25/fake-carrier-destroyed-by-iran/#disqus_thread
So, legit exercise showing an actual capability, or propo exercise. I'm thinking the latter.
Their "swarms of small boats" attacking in a tight group in a straight line. Many of their weapons looked liked they missed, their smoke trailed "cruise missile" was moving very slow, and missed and hit the water near the target. The target was also in very shallow water obviously.
I don't think the USN would ever operate a CV in water close enough for these small boats to have the range to get into an attack position. Even if they did, the swarms of missiles that can target them, the new laser systems - even the SM and ESSM missiles can target these boats far out of their own range, let alone the dedicated anti surface ship stuff coming online. So far as the "ballistic missile" attacks, why didn't they show these striking the target in their video?
I'd be very surprised if the USA didn't have ISR eyes either from space or airborne systems on this exercise. I don't think it set off any alarm bells, just IMO.
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A swarm of drones is more likely (eventually) to be able to take out a carrier. A few hundred fast missiles, coming in from multiple directions could be tough to stop.
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A swarm of drones is more likely (eventually) to be able to take out a carrier. A few hundred fast missiles, coming in from multiple directions could be tough to stop.
With the new lazer systems, the beam only has to be in target for about a second. Imagine a surface fleet with 10 destroyers escorting a carrier, all of these ships being armed with these new lazer wepons. It would be one tough nut to crack, to say the least.
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Saturation attacks designed to overwhelm, I agree, but this video isn't representing anything like that sort of capability. Ballistic missiles of course as well, but the newer SM series and the new radars coming online replacing AEGIS are specifically designed to defend against the above. These short range attacks from small boats = just asking to die IMO.
I still think the CVN groups are a very tough nut for any attackers to crack.
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See Rule #14
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Why does the world continue push ALL OF US to the brink of the unthinkable?
'Current Administration' is a hopeful combination of words because it infers its temporary nature. I know it really just wanted to position western civilization to be 'equal partners' in the world community. Since mankind has not fundamentally changed (ever), it has just made western civilization look weak and stupid.
For Zack who is wise beyond all wisdom -
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Peace.
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Boy what a silly video. Could you imagine a CVN allowing all those little turd boats getting that close? They'd be whacked before they ever even got to see the CV, which BTW doesnt just sit there but wheels around at 30+ knots.
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See Rule #14
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It's not just the surface-based defenses that those boats have to get past (and don't forget the attack submarine screens ranging out in front of the destroyer squadron and cruisers). The carrier's air wing would spot and decimate a swarm of attack boats before they could even get in range of the destroyers.
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I've often wondered if the USN has some sort of munitions for its submarine fleet to expend on large numbers of small boats. 4 Mk48 torps max at a time (8 with the 3 Seawolf I suppose) doesn't seem an efficient or cost effective way of picking off swarms of silly little boats with a couple of SRM on board. Does it? Yet as Sax said, in addition to the air power, the subs are the most forward deployed defensive unit in the entire CVN screen. Being the tip of the spear, I would hope they have a way of dealing with these threats directly, instead of just being an ISR platform to call in air strikes on them.
I think that a lot of these new swarming killer drone type things would have great potential for SSNs to hit large groups of smaller threats, instead of wasting multi million dollar torps (overkill for a single crappy fast boat) on them, of which they can only really attack 4 at a time at most.
I've been watching a lot of vids of modern fighters dispensing munitions on life fire ranges. THere is some good footage of USMC Harriers operating of a Brit CV, attacking floating targets nearby with cannons and practice dumb bombs. Small boats would be in big trouble with a 4 ship of Harriers, much less Super Hornets dropping cluster munitions on them. These modern cluster and sensor fused weapons vs large groups of zippy speed boats would be ugly stuff for the guys on the boats. The only way I think they could even threaten the USN is when small single ships are in the regions/waters very close to Iran, but against a CVN group with 1 or 2 SSNs, 3 to 5 escort ships, maybe even the new LCS with a lot more missiles and other weapons, all far out to sea and a long range trip for any attacking Iranian Navy units - heh, good look with that Iran.
The ballistic and cruise missiles are another matter, but again, the new radars and missiles already here and those coming soon seem to be a very could counter to these threats.
I don't think the CVN groups will be outmoded or going anywhere soon, IMO.
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See Rule #14
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Apparently this topic offers too much temptation to violate the forum posting rules.