Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ebfd11 on March 11, 2015, 06:34:30 AM
Ok i have to say ...i can kill the ground in anything and am the best.
Lawndart
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Gman on March 11, 2015, 09:31:52 AM
F8F Bearcat - Gman.
The only one I seriously can say without controversy of any kind is:
A20G - Cobi(r)a38
That silly goose is the best A20 pilot in the game for time immemorial IMO. For a good reason too, he has a bazillion hours in it, and usually runs really good "important" stats (tee hee!) like kills/hour, hit%, and stuff like that. Running into an A20 with him in it is much like running into a B17 with 1-800-999-000 sitting in the guns - you know it very quickly, often too quickly.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Max on March 11, 2015, 09:51:05 AM
These days, my skill level in this plane is a mere shadow of the one it used to be. Others have clearly surpassed me. I tell myself it's just because of a lack of practice, but I'm afraid age is starting to take it's toll... :uhoh
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 11, 2015, 12:36:55 PM
Yet again the #1 killer in the P-38J by a large margin. :neener:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 11, 2015, 12:44:38 PM
I'm glad I haven't made it on anyone's list yet :banana:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Wiley on March 11, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
F4U is a tough one, haven't ran into any F4U pilots that just made me never want to fight them in an F4U again. There are too many good K4 pilots.
All just my opinion from past experiences or past fights.
F4U, the ones that spring to mind for me are mtnman and I want to say Bighorn, but it might have been another sheep-related callsign that is just refusing to surface in my mind at the moment.
There are plenty of people who beat me, many beat me handily even, but with mtnman and that other guy, I have never felt so thoroughly manhandled as the times I ran into them in an F4U in the MA.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 11, 2015, 12:53:24 PM
Any plane with a MK108 has to be Grizz, nobody in my time in game has impressed me with how accurate they were.....except a few who turned out to be using aimbots.
F4U has to be MtnMan IMO
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2015, 01:16:33 PM
These days, my skill level in this plane is a mere shadow of the one it used to be. Others have clearly surpassed me. I tell myself it's just because of a lack of practice, but I'm afraid age is starting to take it's toll... :uhoh
Nipping at your heels Sir! :D
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SlipKnt on March 11, 2015, 01:36:24 PM
Cobia38 in the A20
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: waystin2 on March 11, 2015, 01:39:45 PM
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 11, 2015, 01:47:04 PM
How about current players? unfortunately I will never get to see (insert retired player here) means nothing to me really. Maybe someone who had played in the last year?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
My list for best fighters in no order who can fly any plane they touch to extreme measures based on overall experience in the MA and DA.
Bighorn Batfink Sunsfan Latrobe Joach1m Grizz Krupnski Badboy Morpheous Stang Delirium Akak Lazer Junky -has his days Kappa Tripwire Anarchy KillnU Tonyjoey Kazaa Bruv119 Debrody Nathbdp 2cmex Rud3boi Fester AKDogg Blukitty Zaphod Zazen Sonic23 Dodger Ink Steve Skatsr Drex Leviathn IKO Skyrock Bunnies Sc0tch Slash27 Chanzz Dolby Pipz just cause he's Canadian And next month I'll attempt to dominate the skies in the F4Us, as they are one of my favorite planes, to make them scary for who ever is fighting me :devil
Actually as it sits right now, I'd give the best f4u stick to rud3boi for the time being.
These guys really stood out to me and have given me some of the best fights I've been in. Many can fly every plane to max potential and are very dangerous in the AH skies. Although, some don't fly anymore or have gotten old. They truly dominated the skies at points during there AH careers.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 11, 2015, 01:55:10 PM
I think he meant link a specific pilot to a specific plane.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2015, 01:56:39 PM
Silly wabbit- la7s are for kids!!!!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2015, 01:59:03 PM
I think he meant link a specific pilot to a specific plane.
Yeah... but that is nearly an unguided based decision. Just because Latrobe doesn't fly a P47 all the time, I'm willing to bet he's better than many of acclaimed "best 47 pilots".
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 11, 2015, 02:06:38 PM
Unguided based decision...nvm.
Good pilots are good pilots, the question was which pilots made their ride of choice shine the best. The question is not to say Latrobe is better than proclaimed pilots of the P47....the question is who is the best pilot of (insert air frame). Hence the title..Player and Plane Roster
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 11, 2015, 02:13:33 PM
I nominate myself(Rud3boi) as the Best F4u Pilot And Ki84. Humboldt---F4u Fate---F4u Bricker---F4u Shawk---F4u DragonH5---F4u( Don't think he flies anymore) Greebo---F6f-5 Biggamer---F6f-5 Lilmak---P47 Krupnski---109 Violator---109 Bruv119---Spitfires Joach1m---109 Sawsaw---109 2cmex---n1k Ink---Ki84 Judas---Ki84 Skyrock---F4u Lazer---p38L AKAK---p38J Soulyss---P38G LodeCH---Ki84 LippyCH---KI84 TonyJoey---p51 BigR---P51 tongs---KI-61
This List contains Player Who are currently Active. There are more players I can list but they are currently not flying at the moment. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Lusche on March 11, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
How about current players? unfortunately I will never get to see (insert retired player here) means nothing to me really. Maybe someone who had played in the last year?
lol, Ill bite.
You and Skyyr seem to be the most proficient LA7 sticks that I run into regularly. TA-152 I'd say poison(RIP) without a doubt in my mind as the best 152 stick since I've been playing.
109K4 is a real toss up, but I usually get splashed by Anarchy because we fly on opposite teams.
TBH I wouldn't really know since I don't switch sides regularly, Lots of knight sticks that I haven't been able to properly dissect.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 03:07:38 PM
TA-152 I'd say poison(RIP) without a doubt in my mind as the best 152 stick since I've been playing.
He's not, for what should be glaringly obvious reasons.
I will only comment on the current k4 pilots since I've been back because I feel I can accurately gauge them because of my past experience and level in this plane (which I am no where near now). It's a toss up between Krup and Jo. Perhaps if others, like Creton, Suns, Ardy/Bunnies, Grizz, Platano, Redbull, and myself had continued to consistently fly there would be more names in the mix, but if I am considering only active fliers, I limit it to these two with Vio a close third.
Though if we're talking old players mentioned above, I would probably put Furball over Shane in the la7.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 11, 2015, 03:11:47 PM
He's not, for what should be glaringly obvious reasons.
:headscratch: its not obvious to me, why don't you elaborate so I don't get confused.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JimmyC on March 11, 2015, 03:13:57 PM
Need to get HiTech to instigate streaming with some of these top guns ..plane styles and tutorials live and direct Good tool for all us lesser mortals/newbs
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 03:17:58 PM
Of course all of these threads are a moot point the minute Bighorn decides to drop in. ;)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: wpeters on March 11, 2015, 03:29:11 PM
You and Skyyr seem to be the most proficient LA7 sticks that I run into regularly. TA-152 I'd say poison(RIP) without a doubt in my mind as the best 152 stick since I've been playing.
Bluberry was another great 152 stick.. He also is RIP
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 11, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
Bluberry was another great 152 stick.. He also is RIP
Most of my squad are great in the F4F ;)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 11, 2015, 03:46:22 PM
best sticks I have fought...(this is based on who I have fought..not who I like better)
I judge someone's skill by how difficult they are to kill....
there has never been anyone I couldn't kill...especially if I was hitting good that day....then even the very best have fallen, but those days are rare....
but these are the guys who stand out in my head as being the "best" after 10 years of flying fighters....and if they have a ride...ill list it.
Fester..... in anything.....very difficult to kill I could get him maybe 2 out of 10 times.... Grizz.... same as fester......very difficult to kill.... insane Aim....give him even a tiny shot opportunity...he will hit....got him maybe 3-4 out of 10 m00t.... in 152 or anything but really shined in 152.....wow he knows those angles..... Kappa..... insane in pretty much anything......talk about knowing how to fight...... Batfink....very good at angles.. Aim not as good as the very best but still better then mine.... Iko..........another one who knows angles..knows E...very good fight...Aim is exceptional Violator....really knows how to control the plane....very difficult to kill... Slash.......very good in the Ki84 knows that plane like me..inside and out...tough fight Irishone....crazy 190 fighter Steve.......in the P-51 not a "turn fighter" but NO ONE today or yesteryear.....could kill as effectively in it. Shane.......in the LA7.... Joach1m....little bastage can fight his arse off in anything. Krup.........excels in the K4...but can fight in anything Redbull.....he was like a mini Grizz but was a Bit easier to kill :rofl (that's relative BTW:-) AKAK......gee can you guess what he flies... :azn: Tongs.......... in the Ki61 Lepape....p47
there are others that I have "heard" where great and probably deserve to be on that list...I just ether fought them only once or just not enough to know for sure...
or I could have just forgot...I do remember LYNX killing my like 6 times in a row......but that was a long time ago...and since I was able to get my revenge... :D
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: darkzking on March 11, 2015, 03:46:52 PM
I have my days??? da fuq violator, last time we were in the DA someone got spanked...and it wasn't me.
Lol I was only just kidding. I was refering to KOTH where some days you kick some bellybutton I can tell you are fighting well. I honestly don't even remember last time we DAed. But it was a joke really.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: mbailey on March 11, 2015, 04:35:10 PM
Soulyss in the p39 by far.... Soooo many great 38 sticks to name....if I had to choose one (which I hate to do)I'd say Del, or AkAk, Or Shuffler, Or Pawz, or TwinBoom,or Oldman,or Lazer , or Soulyss(see what I mean? Like picking my favorite kid, just can't do it...lol 152--Moot every day of the week, every week of the month, every month of the year P51 Steve F6f Greebo Ki61 Tongs Ki84 INK can't see one without thinking its him and treat it as such 109 Krup, Sunsfans,Freez,Joachim(honorable mention....insert most if not all AOM members here) 109K Redbull Yak/IL2 Lynx (and there is one other it's killing me I can't remember his name...Aussie fellow begins with "G" damn I hate getting old :old: F4U MTNMN/Skyrock Spit Leviathan 190 JG11 (yes all of them) A20 I mean do I really need to put his name in here? No contest, no one close Buff Gunner (come on he deserves an honorable mention show the Buff guys some love ) 999000 LA7 Shane Jug Lenape 110 Dastardly
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2015, 04:39:25 PM
Don't you guys forget about Latrobe in any 109 mmmkayy
He's pretty damn nasty in all of them now mmkayy.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 11, 2015, 04:40:39 PM
P51 Steve 109 Krup, Sunsfans,Freez,Joachim(honorable mention....insert most if not all AOM members here) Yak/IL2 Lynx (and there is one other it's killing me I can't remember his name...Aussie fellow begins with "G" damn I hate getting old :old: F4U MTNMN/Skyrock
In skill I put SkatSR and BigR far above Steve. Steve was good at flying in the MA and staying out of trouble, but these two stay and fight.
Freez was a 51 pilot. He hardly ever flew 109s with some possible exceptions after we recruited him.
Yak, you're thinking of Gixer.
F4u- I have Skyrock and BluKitty
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 05:11:30 PM
Maybe Skyyr can do some Navy Seal training from your bridge after you buy it from AKAK?
Pfft, why downgrade?
Those Seals can't hold a candle to the Para-rescue of Aces High :aok
Although come to think of it, we are basically a combination of the Para-rescue, French Foreign Legion(diversity ftw), Green Berets, Army Rangers, Predator, and Prison Inmates.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 05:17:39 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 11, 2015, 05:19:01 PM
In skill I put SkatSR and BigR far above Steve. Steve was good at flying in the MA and staying out of trouble, but these two stay and fight.
Freez was a 51 pilot. He hardly ever flew 109s with some possible exceptions after we recruited him.
Yak, you're thinking of Gixer.
F4u- I have Skyrock and BluKitty
Yak... You are thinking if chanzz. I still think he is one of best in that plane. I hate flying yakz, but I love fighting them in my 109 :t
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
No, I'm (actually MBailey) was thinking of Gixer. "Yak/IL2 Lynx (and there is one other it's killing me I can't remember his name...Aussie fellow begins with "G" damn I hate getting old :old:"
Unless he's thinking of Ghi in Il2. But I don't think Ghi is Aussie.
Chanzzz is also very good in the Yak. He and Gixer are about it.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ghi on March 11, 2015, 05:38:41 PM
Who is the LA7 God? I've seen Sonic23 do some nice stuff in it but it was a long time ago.
Anarchy for K4 , imo.
Anarchy has exceptional skills, improved by modest attitude and low ego; one of the best aggressive base defenders, always fun fighting along him because is like" honey badger doesn't give a....." about score, if gets vulched picked; is going to re up and kick your donut, :) always last man standing among some smoking flaks; : While most players waste 10-15 min climbing to get in a fight in equal or advatage conditions ,this guy is mostly on capped picked bases out#, and get lots more survival skills and experience in same 10-15 min; Same with Greebo and Pervert got great skills ,always fighting out# . :salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 11, 2015, 05:40:28 PM
This thread is going under in the next few pages.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 11, 2015, 05:43:57 PM
I nominate myself(Rud3boi) as the Best F4u Pilot And Ki84. Humboldt---F4u Fate---F4u Bricker---F4u Shawk---F4u DragonH5---F4u( Don't think he flies anymore) Greebo---F6f-5 Biggamer---F6f-5 Lilmak---P47 Krupnski---109 Violator---109 Bruv119---Spitfires Joach1m---109 Sawsaw---109 2cmex---n1k Ink---Ki84 Judas---Ki84 Skyrock---F4u Lazer---p38L AKAK---p38J Soulyss---P38G LodeCH---Ki84 LippyCH---KI84 TonyJoey---p51 BigR---P51 tongs---KI-61
This List contains Player Who are currently Active. There are more players I can list but they are currently not flying at the moment. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
P-47 -YUCCA , for those who remember him,maybe agree ,imop by far the best I've seen, fun acrobatic fighter in P47 ; he was in MA the other day, after 7 years break; :rock
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ardy123 on March 11, 2015, 05:52:21 PM
Where is Bighorn in this list? One of the best if not the best!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 05:54:14 PM
P-47 -YUCCA , for those who remember him,maybe agree ,imop by far the best I've seen, fun acrobatic fighter in P47 ; he was in MA the other day, after 7 years break; :rock
Yeah damn I forgot to out anarchy on my list. But a very good sport and a very righteous competitor, I still see even more potential outa him.
And yes, yucca!!
This dude fooled me so hard in a 47 one day, I couldn't even believe the move he did on me. But it tought me a grand lesson and I still use this move today, it is one of the best defensive tricks to pull In a P47. Works well in other planes too.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 11, 2015, 06:26:47 PM
No, I'm (actually MBailey) was thinking of Gixer. "Yak/IL2 Lynx (and there is one other it's killing me I can't remember his name...Aussie fellow begins with "G" damn I hate getting old :old:"
Unless he's thinking of Ghi in Il2. But I don't think Ghi is Aussie.
Chanzzz is also very good in the Yak. He and Gixer are about it.
That's it!!!! Gixer Thanks Scotch :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: lyric1 on March 11, 2015, 06:39:21 PM
Another chest thumping thread. Counting down for the lock.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 11, 2015, 06:40:13 PM
In skill I put SkatSR and BigR far above Steve. Steve was good at flying in the MA and staying out of trouble, but these two stay and fight.
Freez was a 51 pilot. He hardly ever flew 109s with some possible exceptions after we recruited him.
Yak, you're thinking of Gixer.
F4u- I have Skyrock and BluKitty
Steve was beyond good at MA flying...and he would fight...he just wouldn't TnB with zeros and such...he was a master of the BnZ he truly was, his Aim was exceptional..
long before I became a muppet we had a fight, him in his 51 me in the Hurri2 that's in my heyday of Hurri flying I knew that plane inside and out better then I know the Ki84....
we fought probably the longest fight I have had to this day....easily 10 minutes...
it ended as a stale mate and he eventually flew off.....but NO one I have ever seen had that patience and skill in BnZ...
and then when we were muppets together I really saw how good he was at it.
OldDemon he would Turn fight the 51 and do it very well...
2Cmex in the N1k was a very tough fight
and yes Gixer was an awesome fight also :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 11, 2015, 06:54:04 PM
I consider myself a moderate pilot...but a lot of the names listed are just funny.
I am sure like most here if we put forth the time and knock this Rust off there would be a lot more names on the list, I think someone already said that but you shouldn't read too much into what they are saying.
I personally agree with the list Rud3Boi posted with a lot more to be mentioned, Bruised ego's will be the result of this thread going to the gutter.
Don't get me wrong Junky I agree with you about 75% of the names listed so far (No Disrespect intended) Are Average/Above Average but not the best in the specific rides that some have laid claim to.
SawZaw,Anarchy and Few guys who's names escape me right now have really come a long way and made a name for themselves as being someone to be reckoned with.
:salute Sawzaw & Anarchy!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: morfiend on March 11, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
Bighorn,or any of his shades and widewing,known as treadlite.
These 2 are likely the best in any plane!
:salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 11, 2015, 08:02:46 PM
I am sure like most here if we put forth the time and knock this Rust off there would be a lot more names on the list, I think someone already said that but you shouldn't read too much into what they are saying.
I personally agree with the list Rud3Boi posted with a lot more to be mentioned, Bruised ego's will be the result of this thread going to the gutter.
Don't get me wrong Junky I agree with you about 75% of the names listed so far (No Disrespect intended) Are Average/Above Average but not the best in the specific rides that some have laid claim to.
SawZaw,Anarchy and Few guys who's names escape me right now have really come a long way and made a name for themselves as being someone to be reckoned with.
:salute Sawzaw & Anarchy!
A lot are friends or they see them land a lot of kills. Stand out players in my time in game are the ones who can effect a fight dramatically depending on what side they are flying. Grizz, TJ, Bruv, Kazaa are some of those who do that in the past years.
Now if we are talking about people who are good fight or someone you merge with and names come to mind (example I merge with a K4 and he merges a certain way...names like Krup, Anarchy, SunsFan come to my mind) then the list becomes long...like a lot of the lists posted.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 11, 2015, 08:36:49 PM
Exactly! :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: BuckShot on March 11, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
The guy nominating himself as the best Ki-84 pilot should go up against the Inkster.
Film and post please!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Naughty on March 11, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
To this very day. NOBODY has EVER managed to shoot me down in the RV ! :neener:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 11, 2015, 10:25:26 PM
Steve was beyond good at MA flying...and he would fight...he just wouldn't TnB with zeros and such...he was a master of the BnZ he truly was, his Aim was exceptional..
long before I became a muppet we had a fight, him in his 51 me in the Hurri2 that's in my heyday of Hurri flying I knew that plane inside and out better then I know the Ki84....
we fought probably the longest fight I have had to this day....easily 10 minutes...
it ended as a stale mate and he eventually flew off.....but NO one I have ever seen had that patience and skill in BnZ...
and then when we were muppets together I really saw how good he was at it.
OldDemon he would Turn fight the 51 and do it very well...
2Cmex in the N1k was a very tough fight
and yes Gixer was an awesome fight also :aok
In regards to 51 drivers you described it correctly. Steve and SkatSr would be above you and not fight your fight. It was always fun to try and get the old 38G below Steve and see how many times I could make him miss :) it was always good for a laugh on 200 while it was going on.
You mentioned OlDemon. He and BigR could be found down low turn fighting in 51s. So in regards to who can do the most with a 51 I'd rank them higher. I only ran into TonyJoey a few times but my impression was he could bend a 51 pretty well too.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 11, 2015, 11:11:37 PM
Tell people they and their friends are really not that impressive and the butt hurt will soon follow.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Guppy35 on March 11, 2015, 11:19:43 PM
Thinking about it I think there are two ways to look at a list like this one.
First are the guys who know thier plane of choice inside and out and who fight from the strength of that plane. That's a skill that can be recognized.
Then there are those who can fight in thier bird of choice in any situation and win. Those guys stand out in my mind.
I remember a night where I kept running into two very good 109K drivers in my 38G. One was always above me and made sure he held all the cards. It was never ending BnZ. His timing was always right on the money and the best I could do was break into him at the right time to make him miss. I don't thing I hit him a single time.
The other guy met me co-alt every time and bent that 109K like I hadn't seen before. He got me a few and I got him a few.
I'm my mind he was the better of the two 109K drivers in that he could make it do things the other guy wouldn't try. By the numbers the first guy did it all correctly in using that 109K in a way where I couldn't touch him. He flew to its strengths. But the other guy to me knew the plane better as he'd fight regardless of his position and win.
I guess it's how one wants to define the parameters of what "best" means
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Slash27 on March 11, 2015, 11:26:27 PM
Tell people they and their friends are really not that impressive and the butt hurt will soon follow.
Is a video game that important to you?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 11, 2015, 11:33:30 PM
I think he lost track of what/who was being pointed out, If you go back and look at all the Lists posted you will see those of whom you speak of did not say anything out of the way or were mentioned.
;) Maybe you should go tell you're friends to practice what they preach. :aok
Edit: The hypocrisy is too much! :ahand :ahand
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Slash27 on March 11, 2015, 11:40:13 PM
I think he lost track of what/who was being pointed out, If you go back and look at all the Lists posted you will see those of whom you speak of did not say anything out of the way or were mentioned.
;) Maybe you should go tell you're friends to practice what they preach. :aok
Edit: The hypocrisy is too much! :ahand :ahand
I don't speak basket case so I won't try to decipher your nonsense.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 11, 2015, 11:50:26 PM
No it's not, don't know why that question came up....probably a deflection but let me explain myself just so we are clear.
The list above is from all the big lists that people typed out all put together. 30+ of those names(not including the doubles) shouldn't be there because the flat out fact....they really aren't THAT good...that includes yours, my name, and Drbone(pretty sure he would agree with that).
EDIT: It shouldn't be a "best in a plane" seen and killed the so called "best in that plane" same as a lot of people. It should a Best pilot thread, or a known for thread....both of which we have had a hundred times and the same people come in here listing off their buddies.
Slash, understand one thing about me....I believe in tough honesty, if my buddy at work is being a turd I'm going to tell him he is a turd. In here if someones not that good, I'm going to tell them they are not that good...even if they are my buddy.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Chris79 on March 12, 2015, 12:35:01 AM
Make the bad man stop.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Slash27 on March 12, 2015, 12:35:48 AM
I don't think anyone was looking for or needed tough honesty. Is there names on there I wouldn't agree with? Sure. But the spirit of thing comes off as players sharing some experiences and opinions. It's not a hall of fame vote so no names need stricken from the list due to lack of "facts".
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JOACH1M on March 12, 2015, 12:56:48 AM
We should make a bracket for every plane ingame. You can only join two brackets and the winner is proclaimed best in that ride.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: darkzking on March 12, 2015, 01:03:42 AM
242nd: F4F raynos32: P39 GlzzUhu: I16 Pineaple: B25H Coalcat1: 190D God no one can beat him in it
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 12, 2015, 01:55:10 AM
I don't think anyone was looking for or needed tough honesty. Is there names on there I wouldn't agree with? Sure. But the spirit of thing comes off as players sharing some experiences and opinions. It's not a hall of fame vote so no names need stricken from the list due to lack of "facts".
Fing right they should be stricken, it's like minor league baseball players being considered in the majors...it's just wrong.
I a lot of the "opinions" in this list is based off of friend ship...which sorry, doesn't mean skill.
We should make a bracket for every plane ingame. You can only join two brackets and the winner is proclaimed best in that ride.
I think a ranked match type setup like they have in COD and other games, based off your wins/losses in would show stats and ranks...planes would be random and it would show what plane you did the best in and others normally beat you in.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: bozon on March 12, 2015, 02:53:24 AM
I don't know about skill, but I nominate myself as the best looking Mosquito player. I even match my lady-purse to the plane skin that I choose.
Let's face it, it is all about how cool you look as you go down in flames :p
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Bruv119 on March 12, 2015, 03:20:51 AM
following on from the squaddie back slapping I blindly list;
I do agree that it is wrong to pigeon hole certain pilots into one ride though. I think the better sticks experiment with most planes because it is interesting to find the strengths and weaknesses of the aircraft but the ACM used is still the same in every ride, so I wouldn't judge anyone to be the best in anything on any given day.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 07:22:47 AM
Kazaa Spit IX Greebo F6F Joachim 109F Delirium 38J Soulyss 38G m00t Ta152 ghi 163 Bruv Spit I Kazaa Spit XVI Tongs Ki61 2cmex N1K 2cmex Tempest Skyyr 190D Latrobe 190A5/8 RumbleB Ki84 Snailman Hurri2D MickyD Spit VIII Bighorn Batfink Sunsfan Latrobe Joach1m Grizz Krupnski Badboy Morpheous Stang Delirium Akak Lazer Junky -has his days Kappa Tripwire Anarchy KillnU Tonyjoey Kazaa Bruv119 Debrody Nathbdp 2cmex Rud3boi Fester AKDogg Blukitty Zaphod Zazen Sonic23 Dodger Ink Steve Skatsr Drex Leviathn IKO Skyrock Bunnies Sc0tch Slash27 Chanzz Dolby Pipz Humboldt---F4u Fate---F4u Bricker---F4u Shawk---F4u DragonH5---F4u( Don't think he flies anymore) Greebo---F6f-5 Biggamer---F6f-5 Lilmak---P47 Krupnski---109 Violator---109 Bruv119---Spitfires Joach1m---109 Sawsaw---109 2cmex---n1k Ink---Ki84 Judas---Ki84 Skyrock---F4u Lazer---p38L AKAK---p38J Soulyss---P38G LodeCH---Ki84 LippyCH---KI84 TonyJoey---p51 BigR---P51 tongs---KI-61 Fester..... Grizz.... m00t.... Kappa..... Batfink.... Iko.......... Violator.... Slash....... Irishone.... Steve....... Shane....... Joach1m.... Krup.........excels in the K4...but can fight in anything Redbull.....he was like a mini Grizz but was a Bit easier to kill :rofl (that's relative BTW:-) AKAK......gee can you guess what he flies... :azn: Tongs KI61 (Know for being a KI61 stick, good pilot...doest not effect arena) Lepape....p47 (Best Jug pilot I personally seen...good to go for list) 109K - DrBone 190D - Skyyr LA7 - Kruel Ki84 - JUDAS F4U - SNAKEiis 190A8 - alpini13 N1K - Cheech P47M - BeeLowK P51D - Fess No it's not, don't know why that question came up....probably a deflection but let me explain myself just so we are clear.
The list above is from all the big lists that people typed out all put together. 30+ of those names(not including the doubles) shouldn't be there because the flat out fact....they really aren't THAT good...that includes yours, my name, and Drbone(pretty sure he would agree with that).
EDIT: It shouldn't be a "best in a plane" seen and killed the so called "best in that plane" same as a lot of people. It should a Best pilot thread, or a known for thread....both of which we have had a hundred times and the same people come in here listing off their buddies.
Slash, understand one thing about me....I believe in tough honesty, if my buddy at work is being a turd I'm going to tell him he is a turd. In here if someones not that good, I'm going to tell them they are not that good...even if they are my buddy.
i like brutal honesty....
who on my list dont belong.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 12, 2015, 07:34:48 AM
best sticks I have fought...(this is based on who I have fought..not who I like better)
I judge someone's skill by how difficult they are to kill....
there has never been anyone I couldn't kill...especially if I was hitting good that day....then even the very best have fallen, but those days are rare....
but these are the guys who stand out in my head as being the "best" after 10 years of flying fighters....and if they have a ride...ill list it.
Fester..... in anything.....very difficult to kill I could get him maybe 2 out of 10 times.... Grizz.... same as fester......very difficult to kill.... insane Aim....give him even a tiny shot opportunity...he will hit....got him maybe 3-4 out of 10 m00t.... in 152 or anything but really shined in 152.....wow he knows those angles..... Kappa..... insane in pretty much anything......talk about knowing how to fight...... Batfink....very good at angles.. Aim not as good as the very best but still better then mine.... Iko..........another one who knows angles..knows E...very good fight...Aim is exceptional Violator....really knows how to control the plane....very difficult to kill... Slash.......very good in the Ki84 knows that plane like me..inside and out...tough fight Irishone....crazy 190 fighter Steve.......in the P-51 not a "turn fighter" but NO ONE today or yesteryear.....could kill as effectively in it. Shane.......in the LA7.... Joach1m....little bastage can fight his arse off in anything. Krup.........excels in the K4...but can fight in anything Redbull.....he was like a mini Grizz but was a Bit easier to kill :rofl (that's relative BTW:-) AKAK......gee can you guess what he flies... :azn: Tongs.......... in the Ki61 Lepape....p47
there are others that I have "heard" where great and probably deserve to be on that list...I just ether fought them only once or just not enough to know for sure...
or I could have just forgot...I do remember LYNX killing my like 6 times in a row......but that was a long time ago...and since I was able to get my revenge... :D
Only six on your list belong, everyone else is sub-trash errr sub-par.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 12, 2015, 07:51:50 AM
Only six on your list belong, everyone else is sub-trash errr sub-par.
buhahahahah
I don't think you have the qualification to say one way or the other. ;)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2015, 07:59:58 AM
Many of the people on that big list I made were pilots that I faught against and winged with for many many years. Although I have missed some names, I think this list could be even longer. Ive been around this game for a long time. I still give myself credit to training Grizz as an inside joke, as him and I use to go to the DA regularly and practice K4s, one day he just started to become insane. Sunsfan and I use to do the same thing. We had freaking amazing fights. He also won the dueling tournament last year... And only very few have mentioned him. It is hard to remember everyone. I've been around for a while and had the chance to fight a lot of sticks in AH. Thats why I made a list of many of the great sticks that have really exceled into the fighter aces of the game. AH has been around for 15 years. I could go back to 2005 and say YAWS was one of the best 109g10 pilots I ever seen. But I was still new, and I could not compare skill level at that time. That is why I truly don't believe in 1 pilot being the BEST in one plane, because there are just soo many great sticks, and many who claim who they think is the best, may still not have a broad understanding of who actually is because they haven't been around the game long enough nor fully understand how to compare levels of skill. Much like I thought of YAWS in 2005 ( I didn't have many I could compare skill with nor was I capable of comparing skill because I hadn't figured out the game yet)
So I choose a list of the many who fight hard and have exceled in the game at one point in time. Who really showed out and impressed me over and over again. Who every time I see them, give me a grand fight. My experience is limited as well from 2009 to 13 so I probably haven't fought many other upcoming sticks from that time who also exceled. But after 15 years of this game being around. Choosing only 10 of the " best" is a mere understatement and quite frankly isn't true. Don't take it too literal.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 08:11:53 AM
We should make a bracket for every plane ingame. You can only join two brackets and the winner is proclaimed best in that ride.
This right here would eliminate any doubt, I would love to sign up and participate in something like this.
Not going to quote the long list Junky,I must say though Kazaa,Grizz and Bruv119 are the only 3 that comes to my mind belonging in a "Best Pilot" Thread.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 08:12:57 AM
Not going to quote the long list Junky,I must say though Kazaa,Grizz and Bruv119 are the only 3 that comes to my mind belonging in a "Best Pilot" Thread.
Okay, well then no offense but you have a very limited aspect on the level of players who are among the best.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 08:21:32 AM
I'm sorry Violator I can't bring myself to ankle humping and rubbing my squaddies raw, This is 2015 and I am speaking from my own personal experience Beginning in 2007 - 2015 Bruv is the only remaining pilot who I could consider to be in the top 3 of AH Greats that still plays the game.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 08:28:37 AM
I have to add 1 more name to my List since 2014-2015 this guy has impressed me more and more and he even has film to prove that he never backs down from a fight! ;)
Skyyr!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 12, 2015, 08:35:43 AM
Many of the people on that big list I made were pilots that I faught against and winged with for many many years. Although I have missed some names, I think this list could be even longer. Ive been around this game for a long time. I still give myself credit to training Grizz as an inside joke, as him and I use to go to the DA regularly and practice K4s, one day he just started to become insane. Sunsfan and I use to do the same thing. We had freaking amazing fights. He also won the dueling tournament last year... And only very few have mentioned him. It is hard to remember everyone. I've been around for a while and had the chance to fight a lot of sticks in AH. Thats why I made a list of many of the great sticks that have really exceled into the fighter aces of the game. AH has been around for 15 years. I could go back to 2005 and say YAWS was one of the best 109g10 pilots I ever seen. But I was still new, and I could not compare skill level at that time. That is why I truly don't believe in 1 pilot being the BEST in one plane, because there are just soo many great sticks, and many who claim who they think is the best, may still not have a broad understanding of who actually is because they haven't been around the game long enough nor fully understand how to compare levels of skill. Much like I thought of YAWS in 2005 ( I didn't have many I could compare skill with nor was I capable of comparing skill because I hadn't figured out the game yet)
So I choose a list of the many who fight hard and have exceled in the game at one point in time. Who really showed out and impressed me over and over again. Who every time I see them, give me a grand fight. My experience is limited as well from 2009 to 13 so I probably haven't fought many other upcoming sticks from that time who also exceled. But after 15 years of this game being around. Choosing only 10 of the " best" is a mere understatement and quite frankly isn't true. Don't take it too literal.
like you.. I have been around a long time...even longer then you...with only few small breaks....
I agree for the most part that there is no one that is the "best" in a ride....
but there is always the top dog on a given day.
what I have found out to be true after 10 plus years of flying fighters only...
the better shot will win 95% of the time.
it does not matter how well one can fly if you cant hit your target when the opportunity is there...you wont win.
ok so it seems like this topic has lots of interest....
seems like I remember I am the President of the DFC....
we had some awesome fights in our ladder
maybe we should get a new DFC ladder going.....hmmmmm
I have to add 1 more name to my List since 2014-2015 this guy has impressed me more and more and he even has film to prove that he never backs down from a fight! ;)
Skyyr!
https://youtu.be/w7Myff5xAZM
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 08:37:18 AM
We should make a bracket for every plane ingame. You can only join two brackets and the winner is proclaimed best in that ride.
I love this idea!
Lets stop the other nonsense and organize this!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 12, 2015, 08:37:24 AM
When it comes down to the P-51D I Truly Nominate BigR over Tonyjoey. I had Fought Tonyjoey and he doesn't have smooth evasive maneuvers. When it comes to Bigr he actually pull real maneuvers and make you over shoot, or just scissors you to death and if you try and pull vert, he some how has the E to follow you and make a shot.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 08:41:18 AM
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 09:01:18 AM
Let's try this in English with some rules. Heh.
Plane sets:
Can't do every plane in the game, would take too long. So let's decide on 10-15..
109(? 1 or 2 variants?) 190D P51D P47(? 1 or 2 variants?) F4U(? 1 or 2 variants?) Yak3 LA7 N1K Ki84 Spits (? 1 or 2 variants?) Tempest 262(would be fun)
Do this once a week(one plane per week Use standard 1v1 dueling rules best of 7
The winner of the plane will be the plane champ. The only catch is that he must defend his title when challenged for it. (We can expand on this)
Let's get something going.
Edit: maybe we can use something objective like plane stats to decide which are the most popular planes, I doubt everyone will agree on the same plane set.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 09:15:49 AM
P40 Needs some love in that List kruel :aok
Also the "Must defend his title when challenged" kind of ruins the point of setting up a bracket/round-robin in the first place, not to mention it would build the kind of unnecessary animosity that will stop these. I don't dislike that idea, but I think it would kill this competition before it could get established.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 12, 2015, 09:18:27 AM
Can't do every plane in the game, would take too long. So let's decide on 10-15..
109(? 1 or 2 variants?) 190D P51D P47(? 1 or 2 variants?) F4U(? 1 or 2 variants?) Yak3 LA7 N1K Ki84 Spits (? 1 or 2 variants?) Tempest 262(would be fun)
Do this once a week(one plane per week Use standard 1v1 dueling rules best of 7
The winner of the plane will be the plane champ. The only catch is that he must defend his title when challenged for it. (We can expand on this)
Let's get something going.
Edit: maybe we can use something objective like plane stats to decide which are the most popular planes, I doubt everyone will agree on the same plane set.
sign up for the DFC ladder :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 09:20:33 AM
Also the "Must defend his title when challenged" kind of ruins the point of setting up a bracket/round-robin in the first place, not to mention it would build the kind of unnecessary animosity that will stop these. I don't dislike that idea, but I think it would kill this competition before it could get established.
I guess I mean when (and if) the competition rolls back around, champs need to defend!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 09:22:13 AM
When it comes down to the P-51D I Truly Nominate BigR over Tonyjoey. I had Fought Tonyjoey and he doesn't have smooth evasive maneuvers. When it comes to Bigr he actually pull real maneuvers and make you over shoot, or just scissors you to death and if you try and pull vert, he some how has the E to follow you and make a shot.
this is true, ive fought BigR, ToneyJoey just seems to kill me after im at 120mph commited to another fight.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: waystin2 on March 12, 2015, 09:30:38 AM
Can't do every plane in the game, would take too long. So let's decide on 10-15..
109(? 1 or 2 variants?) 190D P51D P47(? 1 or 2 variants?) F4U(? 1 or 2 variants?) Yak3 LA7 N1K Ki84 Spits (? 1 or 2 variants?) Tempest 262(would be fun)
Do this once a week(one plane per week Use standard 1v1 dueling rules best of 7
The winner of the plane will be the plane champ. The only catch is that he must defend his title when challenged for it. (We can expand on this)
Let's get something going.
Edit: maybe we can use something objective like plane stats to decide which are the most popular planes, I doubt everyone will agree on the same plane set.
Do you think it would lose steam after a while doing it weekly? Some might not be available on a weekly basis. Maybe monthly or bi-weekly?
Only six on your list belong, everyone else is sub-trash errr sub-par.
Trash? That says a lot about your character or lack thereof.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 12, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
I also Nominate an Ex Squady by the name of Xcom. HE flew the 38 really well. He was in the army in Israel and doesn't fly in Aces high much anymore. He told me that he has decided to fly that DFC game.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Bruv119 on March 12, 2015, 09:41:01 AM
Do you think it would lose steam after a while doing it weekly? Some might not be available on a weekly basis. Maybe monthly or bi-weekly?
Trash? That says a lot about your character or lack thereof.
This might be true, but that would mean a whole lot of fighting , would run on for hours on just one plane..imagine trying to do 3-4 planes in a day, you could do a once a month deal instead of leaving it up to the players to schedule their own matches, everyone has to show up at the same time. That causes problems of it's own though..
Edit: one plane a month that is.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 12, 2015, 09:52:29 AM
I didn't get to participate in the last dueling bracket. I did participate once and it was great. Only bad thing was that some guys couldn't make it on due to real life situations.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 12, 2015, 10:12:54 AM
Imma base my response on both Bruv's and Kruel's response.
People will be the same regardless of the changes in the rules. Last time the ladder was closed due to lack of completion of people's duels. And as Bruv said people backed out if they tgought they'd lose. What in saying is some new rules typed out on these boards will not change people.
What I said in my response is that I felt the system worked fine. People involved in the thing is a whole new subject.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:18:38 AM
Imma base my response on both Bruv's and Kruel's response.
People will be the same regardless of the changes in the rules. Last time the ladder was closed due to lack of completion of people's duels. And as Bruv said people backed out if they tgought they'd lose. What in saying is some new rules typed out on these boards will not change people.
What I said in my response is that I felt the system worked fine. People involved in the thing is a whole new subject.
It's not though because in a dueling ladder, it's a one shot deal, sometimes the first plane flown makes all the difference, as with any best of 7 match, the first win is critical.
With rotating plane sets, everyone knows what the first plane will be. Additionally, if someone doesn't participate, that doesn't freeze the bracket, that person just forfeits, that is if we decide that everyone must show up at the same time (like KOTH)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 10:21:04 AM
Ehhh, I like the idea of scheduling with your opponent with in a time frame better. I love KOTH but I can never make it because of the times its run.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:24:27 AM
Ehhh, I like the idea of scheduling with your opponent with in a time frame better. I love KOTH but I can never make it because of the times its run.
Yeah, each has its pros and cons, but if you have 4-5 forfeits it kills the fun for everyone else. If you think about KOTH, it has participation every month. But because of schedules, not everyone who wants to participate can make it
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 12, 2015, 10:30:34 AM
It's not though because in a dueling ladder, it's a one shot deal, sometimes the first plane flown makes all the difference, as with any best of 7 match, the first win is critical.
With rotating plane sets, everyone knows what the first plane will be. Additionally, if someone doesn't participate, that doesn't freeze the bracket, that person just forfeits, that is if we decide that everyone must show up at the same time (like KOTH)
But as of participation, in BaldEagl's bracket it wasn't just one person that didn't participate. It gradually increased until only 2 of 8 or 10 scheduled fights were fought. This can happen to this ladder as well, easily (not that it will, but it is easily possible). That is how people can factor into this from another standing point.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:33:19 AM
But as of participation, in BaldEagl's bracket it wasn't just one person that didn't participate. It gradually increased until only 2 of 8 or 10 scheduled fights were fought. This can happen to this ladder as well, easily (not that it will, but it is easily possible). That is how people can factor into this from another standing point.
Correct which is why I'm leaning towards a KOTH style scheduling scheme, it's the lesser of two evils imo.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 10:34:07 AM
1v1's have the ability to be more flexible with time unlike KOTH. I can stay up an extra hour or two at night to fight an Opponent, I can't(won't) miss work to participate in an scheduled event.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:34:23 AM
you know.... I am tired of you talking crap.... like you know what the hell goes on in my life...you have no clue what the hell you are talking about.
understand something....seriously....I am gonna say it nice one last time...maybe you will get the fluffluffluff'n hint....
you are wrong.....couldn't be any more wrong.....now get your head out of your arse and sign up.
:headscratch:
If you plan on participating and /or organizing an event in a competitive setting, you need to learn to be objective and keep your personal feelings out of it.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:36:06 AM
1v1's have the ability to be more flexible with time unlike KOTH. I can stay up an extra hour or two at night to fight an Opponent, I can't(won't) miss work to participate in an scheduled event.
Yeah but KOTH had been dependant on Bruv running it, I think this can be adjusted now to fit most people's schedules (since must of us are in the States)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 12, 2015, 10:39:23 AM
Correct which is why I'm leaning towards a KOTH style scheduling scheme, it's the lesser of two evils imo.
KOTH doesn't really go in the same book though. Despite it being easier to draw results from the results are not accurate as you have multiple individuals fighting for a number one spot all at once. While in a ladder you have multiple people fighting for a number one spot all in separate pairs, without running the risk of an intervention by a third party. Just by it being in pairs reduces a number of factors that must be put into consideration that could produce a negative backed outcome.
It's more "accurate" I might say?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:42:23 AM
KOTH doesn't really go in the same book though. Despite it being easier to draw results from the results are not accurate as you have multiple individuals fighting for a number one spot all at once. While in a ladder you have multiple people fighting for a number one spot all in separate pairs, without running the risk of an intervention by a third party. Just by it being in pairs reduces a number of factors that must be put into consideration that could produce a negatively connotated outcome.
It's more "accurate" I might say?
I agree 1v1 is much more accurate, but we aren't discussing accuracy, we are discussing format and scheduling.
Edit: if you really want to go crazy, we can have a winners bracket and losers bracket, so everyone will fight other at least once. That way there is no question.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 12, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
I like competition, I like objective rules. We are discussing an event that would decide who is the best in a particular plane. Old, dead ladders are old and dead for a reason.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:50:36 AM
I like competition, I like objective rules. We are discussing an event that would decide who is the best in a particular plane. Old, dead ladders are old and dead for a reason.
:rolleyes:
you know I just don't understand some people....
and I am damn glad I only have to deal with some of you online.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 10:53:15 AM
Lots of people don't in the DFC ladder because they think they wont be able to place, having multiple brackets for different planes gives you lots of winners.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Skyyr on March 12, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
He means the ladder takes place at a pre-scheduled time each period (weekly, monthly, etc. - e.g. Friday nights at 9PM). Ladder rules, but with a "show up on time if you want to compete" format. If you miss it, there's always the next time around.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 10:55:32 AM
He means that, Round ONE will be for example: Monday 9pm EST - 11pm EST, if you cant make it, your forfeit and are elimnated, or put into "wrestlebacks"
Round Two same time as last week,
etc, etc
Right? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 10:56:40 AM
He means that, Round ONE will be for example: Monday 9pm EST - 11pm EST, if you cant make it, your forfeit and are elimnated, or put into "wrestlebacks"
Round Two same time as last week,
etc, etc
Right? :headscratch:
Right, something like this, we can solidify these ideas as we go.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 11:03:15 AM
So is the idea of running more than one bracket at the same time abandon?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 11:04:11 AM
Winner will be probably the guy who wins all his duels.in the end you will have someone from the winners bracket fight someone from the losers bracket the difference is that the person from the losers bracket has to beat the person from the winners bracket twice in a row (This rarely happens, but when it does it's awesome)
Most other competitive online game tournaments are held in this fashion or something similar to this, of course we can customize it to fit everyone's needs.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 11:08:31 AM
So is the idea of running more than one bracket at the same time abandon?
Kind of, the first week is full (everyone participates) Second week Third week is two brackets Final week those two come back together for final.
I also just thought. For the second and third week we can have optional scheduling as well, so it adds more flexibility,
Writing from my phone right now, will type something up that's more detailed later.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 11:13:50 AM
Only problem I see with that is, pretty much everyone is going to be in at the same time. I think it would be smart to avoid the results being something like
winner of 109 Series: JOACH1M winner of P47 Series: JOACH1M winner of F4U Series: JOACH1M etc.
The more opportunity people have to place and/or win, the more participation your going to get. Mabye, limit people to only competing in 2 or 3 plane sets per year :headscratch:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 12, 2015, 11:17:40 AM
Winner will be probably the guy who wins all his duels.in the end you will have someone from the winners bracket fight someone from the losers bracket the difference is that the person from the losers bracket has to beat the person from the winners bracket twice in a row (This rarely happens, but when it does it's awesome)
Most other competitive online game tournaments are held in this fashion or something similar to this, of course we can customize it to fit everyone's needs.
I personally am still not a fan.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 12, 2015, 11:18:18 AM
Only problem I see with that is, pretty much everyone is going to be in at the same time. I think it would be smart to avoid the results being something like
winner of 109 Series: JOACH1M winner of P47 Series: JOACH1M winner of F4U Series: JOACH1M etc.
The more opportunity people have to place and/or win, the more participation your going to get. Mabye, limit people to only competing in 2 or 3 plane sets per year :headscratch:
Yes and ink said only one choice at a plane set.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Lazerr on March 12, 2015, 11:19:19 AM
I don't like the idea of people not being able to compete, but I think its important to make it so more people have a shot at winning and placing. Which is why I think the we should run separate brackets at the same time.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 12:14:19 PM
I don't like the idea of people not being able to compete, but I think its important to make it so more people have a shot at winning and placing. Which is why I think the we should run separate brackets at the same time.
I think it's more about participation, if one pilot can win in multiple planes so be it, just means he's better than anyone else in multiple planes.
Having multiple planes and different brackets gives people multiple opportunities to place, I don't think sitting out players because they are good is fair to them.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Skyyr on March 12, 2015, 12:16:50 PM
I don't like the idea of people not being able to compete, but I think its important to make it so more people have a shot at winning and placing. Which is why I think the we should run separate brackets at the same time.
This mentality is... backwards to me. If the same pilot wins numerous brackets, what's the issue? They won fair and square. Pairing off the brackets with the intention of doing so to bar multiple wins by a single player when the goal is to find who the best in each plane type is seems to be in the spirit of anti-competition.
Put another way, it'd be fun to say "I'm the best P-39 pilot because I won the bracket"; however, if I was only able to do that because Glzz was restricted from competing in that bracket (which he would have normally won), then the title and win mean nothing.
A player winning an aircraft bracket should be because that player fought and defeated ALL possible opponents (who wanted to compete), not because rules restricted certain players from being able to compete in said brackets.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 12, 2015, 12:55:18 PM
Fester.....just impressive Grizz.... Probably the best aim in the game using one of the worst guns(accuracy wise) m00t.... Magic Kappa..... Could control a lot of planes in a area and kill a lot of them. Batfink....flies weaker rides but out performs "good" sticks flying the LA/KI84/Spits
quote]I cut everyone out and got these 5, with 2 who are very close to being on that level....Krup and Jo.
I think Krup and Jo are maybe better 1v1 then Kappa and maybe Grizz, but their MA presence isn't the same as those two....
SunsFan and Krup are very comparable in skill....Krup having a lot more experience as of late.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Muzzy on March 12, 2015, 01:18:57 PM
For myself I'd much rather fly and fight (and lose) against the best rather than not get the opportunity because of restricted access.
Here's an idea: what about a "tournament of champions" where say the top 10 or 12 players (by popular vote or through points over the year or something) go head to head? Bruv vs Tony? Rudboi vs Skyrr? I'd pay (in perks) to see that!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SlipKnt on March 12, 2015, 01:22:36 PM
Totally forgot to mention:
NKL5 in that Damned Ar234!!!
Get anywhere NEAR his rear quarter and he has a firing solution on you. Oh... ...You THINK you are sneaking up on a sheep. Find out is was a horse when you get kicked...
:bhead
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 01:23:13 PM
I can't see a competition that caters specifically to the top 10-15 players working, 90% of the A community doesn't care who's the best, they just want to have fun while :joystick:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 01:24:40 PM
For myself I'd much rather fly and fight (and lose) against the best rather than not get the opportunity because of restricted access.
Here's an idea: what about a "tournament of champions" where say the top 10 or 12 players (by popular vote or through points over the year or something) go head to head? Bruv vs Tony? Rudboi vs Skyrr? I'd pay (in perks) to see that!
Voting is a popularity contest. 1% of the population here is objective enough to say someone they dislike is a good pilot. Would probably bet money on conglomerates of these folks moving to not vote for or block someone because of personal differences.
You did give me an idea, maybe the final 4 players should have their matches streamed, maybe one or 2 folks comment on the match giving a play by play.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
I can't see a competition that caters specifically to the top 10-15 players working, 90% of the A community doesn't care who's the best, they just want to have fun while :joystick:
Isn't that what KOTH/TOC is?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 01:34:06 PM
I qualified for TOC in my first and only KOTH appearance and I wouldn't consider myself any where near the top 15 pilots currently in game.
Because it's not a very good measure of that heh this would be, the kind if discussions would be nice to have on vox/TS...much less chances of misunderstandings there.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2015, 01:45:19 PM
Because it's not a very good measure of that heh this would be, the kind if discussions would be nice to have on vox/TS...much less chances of misunderstandings there.
IMO KOTH is the hardest FFA currently in AH. It really depends on how many people are playing. Normally 3-4 good sticks make this an extremely tough competition. Only the ones who haven't go their SA down, or cannot fight without alt advatnage, or have limited ACM, are the ones who think its not a "true measure" but I personally think it incorporates many aspects to flying as well as fighting to the death with great opponents. This makes it very difficult. I pulled this TOC victory right out if my arese. Krup or Jo could have easily won it just as I did. But I just happened to be in the right place. SA, luck, tough plane, belief... It all came down to that.
Staying alive in a free for all with great players is just as or more difficult than fighting 1v1.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 12, 2015, 02:03:13 PM
This mentality is... backwards to me. If the same pilot wins numerous brackets, what's the issue? They won fair and square. Pairing off the brackets with the intention of doing so to bar multiple wins by a single player when the goal is to find who the best in each plane type is seems to be in the spirit of anti-competition.
Put another way, it'd be fun to say "I'm the best P-39 pilot because I won the bracket"; however, if I was only able to do that because Glzz was restricted from competing in that bracket (which he would have normally won), then the title and win mean nothing.
A player winning an aircraft bracket should be because that player fought and defeated ALL possible opponents (who wanted to compete), not because rules restricted certain players from being able to compete in said brackets.
I totally see your point.
But a competition to satisfy the question this thread asked (IMO) will not get out of the planning stages. Having separate brackets for different air frames offers the ability for players to compete against opponent of similar skill levels without directly segregating them based on their ability.
Lol Ok, Any more rebuttals will hopefully be addressed in my write up.
Kruel we should definitely get together with others on TS or something and try to get this together.
<S>
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 12, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 12, 2015, 02:04:23 PM
Fester.....just impressive Grizz.... Probably the best aim in the game using one of the worst guns(accuracy wise) m00t.... Magic Kappa..... Could control a lot of planes in a area and kill a lot of them. Batfink....flies weaker rides but out performs "good" sticks flying the LA/KI84/Spits
quote]I cut everyone out and got these 5, with 2 who are very close to being on that level....Krup and Jo.
I think Krup and Jo are maybe better 1v1 then Kappa and maybe Grizz, but their MA presence isn't the same as those two....
SunsFan and Krup are very comparable in skill....Krup having a lot more experience as of late.
I agree with your assessment of 4 of those guys :D
batfinks aim isn't good enough to be there...haha
he actually misses. :uhoh
and Sunsfan I forgot him....one of the toughest fights I have had..
and Agent360...he could whip that K4 around with the best of them.
if you think Steve wasn't insanely good in that 51....well I cant help ya there, I saw it and went against him.
same with the rest....they all know how to fight... and will..... better then most.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2015, 03:52:17 PM
Lol JO, Krup, and sunsfan, even Latrobe all desearve to be up there. You crazy!!
You all crazy!!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 12, 2015, 04:05:29 PM
Only once that I can remember...-1 vs ki84. The result was a Hog being roped.
Don't get me wrong, I consider myself a moderate pilot...but a lot of the names listed are just funny.
didn't we get some duels in the MA with each other maybe a year ago or so? maybe you in a 109 me in a hog... maybe we both in hogs... I seem to remember us meeting otd off of a base and getting some good fights in...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 12, 2015, 04:10:31 PM
Bighorn,or any of his shades and widewing,known as treadlite.
These 2 are likely the best in any plane!
:salute
yup
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 12, 2015, 04:11:54 PM
Whatever works the best for everyone. I'm in for anything. I'm not picky when it comes to fighting a 1v1. I just want us to be honest and organized about this.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 12, 2015, 04:26:17 PM
I don't think you're being honest... or, you are being intentional... maybe trying to get a rise? maybe there is something else going on... maybe you're not qualified to even make this little statement you just made.. maybe you haven't fought all on ink's list... but something is amiss with you making this statement...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 12, 2015, 04:29:41 PM
I have to add 1 more name to my List since 2014-2015 this guy has impressed me more and more and he even has film to prove that he never backs down from a fight! ;)
Skyyr!
hmmm... have you ever tried to get into the muppets? how many times did you try to get in? how did that work out for you? wait, I can see by your obsession, that it didn't work out well for you did it??? awww... maybe next try... err never. :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on March 12, 2015, 04:44:45 PM
But a competition to satisfy the question this thread asked (IMO) will not get out of the planning stages. Having separate brackets for different air frames offers the ability for players to compete against opponent of similar skill levels without directly segregating them based on their ability.
Lol Ok, Any more rebuttals will hopefully be addressed in my write up.
Kruel we should definitely get together with others on TS or something and try to get this together.
<S>
Glzz, am I going to have to modify that special gif to fit you into it? :noid
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: TonyJoey on March 12, 2015, 05:54:39 PM
Using dueling to determine who is "best" in a particular ride is a bit misguided. Dueling same-planes is almost entirely a matter of ACM knowledge and execution, with the actual characteristics of the plane and one's knowledge of those characteristics, at least in my opinion, not having a large impact on the fight. One anecdotal example was in one of BaldEagl's first dueling tournaments, where in the final round Grizz beat me in the 51, and I beat him in the K4. Yet, in an MA environment I would feel 10x more comfortable in a 51 than a K4, and vice versa for Grizz.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ripley on March 12, 2015, 06:02:14 PM
I am the best at not being in a cockpit in a long time span, that will change soon ;)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 12, 2015, 06:04:15 PM
Using dueling to determine who is "best" in a particular ride is a bit misguided. Dueling same-planes is almost entirely a matter of ACM knowledge and execution, with the actual characteristics of the plane and one's knowledge of those characteristics, at least in my opinion, not having a large impact on the fight. One anecdotal example was in one of BaldEagl's first dueling tournaments, where in the final round Grizz beat me in the 51, and I beat him in the K4. Yet, in an MA environment I would feel 10x more comfortable in a 51 than a K4, and vice versa for Grizz.
Maybe we can cap it off with the winners of each plane set all facing off against each other in the ride of their choice?
I agree it almost boils down to who has better ACM knowledge but if you put two equal pilots together, whom ever knows the ride more is likely to win, I think your situation is not very common at all
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 06:05:21 PM
hmmm... have you ever tried to get into the muppets? how many times did you try to get in? how did that work out for you? wait, I can see by your obsession, that it didn't work out well for you did it??? awww... maybe next try... err never. :aok
That's funny considering Myself along with DrSpek were in the Muppets for maybe a week or 2 before we left. Also if I am not mistaken Grizz was practically begging me to join back in 2010 or maybe 2011 and I respectively declined.
At that time Nobody in the Muppets had anything to offer me besides Grizz and I got a lot of training with him even while being in different squads.
I have found a much more suitable group that can compete on a much higher level. :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 06:14:56 PM
I don't think you're being honest... or, you are being intentional... maybe trying to get a rise? maybe there is something else going on... maybe you're not qualified to even make this little statement you just made.. maybe you haven't fought all on ink's list... but something is amiss with you making this statement...
:rofl
edit: btw out of all those people in the lists provided so far there have been only 3 people who could beat me in any kind of a 1v1 setup and consistently win every time and again they were Kazaa,Bruv and Grizz, I have been here long enough to know who is who and what they are capable of.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 12, 2015, 06:19:18 PM
didn't we get some duels in the MA with each other maybe a year ago or so? maybe you in a 109 me in a hog... maybe we both in hogs... I seem to remember us meeting otd off of a base and getting some good fights in...
I wasn't active a year or so ago. Had about 11 months off. The time I recall you called me out for flying a KI84, then we met otd ki84 vs your -1...you claimed you would win but when you didn't you said I was being timid flying in the vertical.
If you would like to do more 1v1s I'm always down, most times when I ask on 200 for 1v1s...it goes unanswered, which is fine. For me it's not about being the best, I don't think I could ever get there because I don't log enough hours, it's just about a good fight.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 12, 2015, 06:24:00 PM
Just to show you all I'm not bias or just going for a rise...Way said Razor for mossie...I disagree, Razor is a efficient killer and E fighter but I would not say he is the best in a mossie.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: morfiend on March 12, 2015, 06:25:09 PM
I would give an honourable mention to Ded a lot..... :devil
There are a couple of others but most these guys dont need or care if they are mentioned in any list.
:salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Guppy35 on March 12, 2015, 06:39:38 PM
Interesting how this thread that seemed to start off well in terms of the question asked has ended up being a cartoon joystick measuring contest. I guess it was inevitable.
So in hopes that it will help. You are all cartoon pilot gods that us mortal cartoon pilots worship from afar in the hopes that someday we too will be able to compete for the title of the biggest joystick in the arena :aok
Funny part is in all the years of cartoon flying not one of you has actually killed me. Does that make me immortal too? :)
I do hope when you are all done pixelating each other that the last cartoon pilot standing will bless us with the announcement of his rise to the top of the cartoon mountain so that we can acknowledge his greatness. :salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 12, 2015, 06:50:31 PM
I am better than Tongs in a Ki61, where do I claim my "Ki61 L33T pilot" sticker.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 12, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
@ Sky Rock, why do you hold AoM so high? Like what about AoM in 2015 is so great? 2007-2009 AoM was something to brag about but have you checked your squad roster lately? Early stages of dementia maybe?
You really make it seem like people are jumping through hoops to gain access to the muppets. I mean with the current bunch I don't see how hard it could be to simply change your name and land a few kills and get an invite. Maybe I am on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 12, 2015, 07:05:46 PM
Using dueling to determine who is "best" in a particular ride is a bit misguided. Dueling same-planes is almost entirely a matter of ACM knowledge and execution, with the actual characteristics of the plane and one's knowledge of those characteristics, at least in my opinion, not having a large impact on the fight. One anecdotal example was in one of BaldEagl's first dueling tournaments, where in the final round Grizz beat me in the 51, and I beat him in the K4. Yet, in an MA environment I would feel 10x more comfortable in a 51 than a K4, and vice versa for Grizz.
+1 :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SPKmes on March 12, 2015, 07:09:48 PM
Holy fackin hell man!!!! do you guys have to grab your nuts an roar every time one of these comes up..... I'm amazed at how twisted an opening thread gets these days... it's like Chinese whispers with toddlers
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 12, 2015, 07:10:59 PM
That's funny considering Myself along with DrSpek were in the Muppets for maybe a week or 2 before we left. Also if I am not mistaken Grizz was practically begging me to join back in 2010 or maybe 2011 and I respectively declined.
At that time Nobody in the Muppets had anything to offer me besides Grizz and I got a lot of training with him even while being in different squads.
I think you're full of it... seriously, I like you, have had some really good fights with you... get along with you quite well... I think you're one of the better sticks in the game... but you're participation in whatever this obsession thingy with the muppets is quite telling... and to be honest with you, lessens you.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 07:26:06 PM
I think Junky said it perfect tell them their friends really ain't that good and let the butt hurt flow.....
I thought better of you SR and considered you one of my main idols through my growing time here in AH maybe Ghost is right age has you dried out like a raisin. :salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 12, 2015, 07:27:03 PM
I don't have one.... never felt I needed one..... but if it is that important to you I could make one for you
you can have the biscuit when we are finished too if you like
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 12, 2015, 08:51:58 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2015, 09:03:20 PM
The muppets roster is looking quite scary at the moment. I'd be very scared if I were you. :airplane: :neener:
BTW I think someone brought up dedalos.. That dude is fantastic. Definitely think he deserves to be on the list.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 09:18:00 PM
I didn't throw anything away just for clarification, The Damned had a lot to offer TG and vice versa. Both our Groups as a whole decided it would be best to drop TG(Since it was mainly full of inactives) and Join The Damned.
Anarchy was the only active member who did not agree with the switch, You gained Joachim and Anarchy still with them coupled with all the B-List Muppets you guys still do not hold a scare factor.
Just sayin ;)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 09:21:44 PM
Apparently you truly believe this so much that you threw away your own squad to join the internet navy seals. Hope it works out for you. :aok
Look he made a deflection attempt! :rofl I must say since you have came back you have tried so hard to make yourself noticed I had to quote you. :ahand
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 12, 2015, 09:23:47 PM
I didn't throw anything away just for clarification, The Damned had a lot to offer TG and vice versa. Both our Groups as a whole decided it would be best to drop TG(Since it was mainly full of inactives) and Join The Damned.
Anarchy was the only active member who did not agree with the switch, You gained Joachim and Anarchy still with them coupled with all the B-List Muppets you guys still do not hold a scare factor.
Just sayin ;)
You forgot about Gman, XNovaX, and bunnies. Ohh yeah we coming to tear up the MA, fso, koth
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 09:25:31 PM
:rofl
Great you brought in the C-List wing!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 12, 2015, 09:27:50 PM
You forgot about Gman, XNovaX, and bunnies. Ohh yeah we coming to tear up the MA, fso, koth
He didn't just say Gman. I refuse to believe he said Gman. I am going to take a nap and come back to this thread in hopes I didn't see Gman mentioned in relativity to the skies of AH being scared.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 12, 2015, 09:28:40 PM
:lol I Personally like Gmans walls of text.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 12, 2015, 09:29:50 PM
Look he made a deflection attempt! :rofl I must say since you have came back you have tried so hard to make yourself noticed I had to quote you. :ahand
Deflection from what exactly? But yes, throwing away your own squad to become one of crryr's minions is exactly what you did. You even immediately started spamming the anti-AoM youtube links like a bitterly jealous little minion should. It's okay though, it looks like you've found your proper role. Shawk needed his BPARKER, JohnnyRa needed his JohnnyJr, Midway needed his Midway? Skyyr needs DrBone. We understand. I was being sincere. Don't be so insecure in your choices. Good luck, I hear pretending to be a Navy Seal is almost as hard as being one. :aok
Btw, and this is to no one in particular, I don't necessarily agree with what some of my squadies are posting. A lot of this chest puffing is funny from both sides. And some of the names posted earlier were funny.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SPKmes on March 12, 2015, 10:28:10 PM
Yes yes, give me all the biscuits and stickers. We can share the biscuits if you want though.
biscuit is all yours dude enjoy..
Struggled with your young folks text lango..but I fink I's got it gud enuf. I was also going to put your name in there somewhere but I wasn't sure if your BBS is your ingame name.
So here you go slap this on your forehead and go to town... the chicks'll be dripping off you
Struggled with your young folks text lango..but I fink I's got it gud enuf. I was going to put your name in there somewhere but I wasn't sure if your BBS is your ingame name.
Here you go slap this on your forehead and go to town... the chicks'll be dripping off you
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Krupinski on March 12, 2015, 11:35:21 PM
Once again, lol.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 13, 2015, 01:25:35 AM
To clarify, I'm not doubting anyone's skill...a lot of the sticks mentioned are great pilots but there is a difference between the TOP and good.
The differences, some are very good 1v1...but not so good in MA(No major effect in a furball)
Some are very good at beating up a furball....not that good in a 1v1
The ones I think personally should be considered the TOP sticks are the ones who can do both, fight and win against anyone 1v1 and also have major effects if they are on one side of a furball.
The most recent best example is probably Grizz, he was doing thousands of 1v1s and wreaking havoc in the MA.
I'm not hear to measure the size of my man parts....I'm one of the first to say I lose a lot...I'm just pointing out that there is a lot of bias opinions in this thread.
And just to be clear, I consider myself to be decent at both 1v1s and MA play, probably my best quality is that I can fly most of the rides in the game at the same level(Because I switch it up a lot). DECENT, I consider myself DECENT.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 13, 2015, 01:47:44 AM
I will say that Grizz was making a point of doing that. He was seeking the attention he's gained. There are some people who simply don't care. And don't really try. Someone that no one ever mentions but has the potential to be on any of these lists is Damned (the real damned) Rodan. He was the head trainer of Aol:AW3 and a great guy.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SPKmes on March 13, 2015, 03:50:52 AM
Damn...I wish I had made me one of these stickers before ...It worked a charm huh hahahaha...clever idea to make it a bandana...you look badass too
I will say that Grizz was making a point of doing that. He was seeking the attention he's gained. There are some people who simply don't care. And don't really try. Someone that no one ever mentions but has the potential to be on any of these lists is Damned (the real damned) Rodan. He was the head trainer of Aol:AW3 and a great guy.
Yeah dmdrodan is awesome
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 13, 2015, 06:46:46 AM
I think Junky said it perfect tell them their friends really ain't that good and let the butt hurt flow.....
I thought better of you SR and considered you one of my main idols through my growing time here in AH maybe Ghost is right age has you dried out like a raisin. :salute
bah.. raisin schmaisin.... it's all good.. it just doesn't look good on you... you're top tier stick.. and you seem to have jumped on skyrr's coat tail's and slinging his poo for him... really? you're levels above him... why lessen yourself to being his corporal of mudslinging when you should be his boss... it just doesn't make sense to me.... and I hope you understand that I'm saying this out of respect for you...
Much respect, :salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 13, 2015, 07:56:35 AM
DrBone is a Boss. :banana:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 13, 2015, 08:24:48 AM
Bone is a HOtard. :ahand
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
I along with many others from TG have only gotten better being with The Damned and have proved it in the MA many times within these past few weeks, You can try and deflect the conversation into any direction you want it just goes to show me how quick some of you will hide when competition arises.
btw when is this bracket getting done I call dibs on fighting Sc0tch first?
That is if he shows, I heard he declined a challenge to the DA already....
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ebfd11 on March 13, 2015, 09:03:03 AM
OK how about an impartial person to set rules and tell you guys which plane you are using.
1. Plane will be used in MA ... squad with the most kills in such plane wins that round.
2. Plane will be used for 3 days no changing .. in a 30 day month you have 10 planes you will use.
3. No shade or volunteer vulching or kills.
4. After the competition is over the losing squad must change squad name to either (a.) Dammed Muppets (b.) Muppets Dammed Us
Simple yet exciting .. and seeing how I don't have a pony in this fight I will play the part of the moderator to pick your planes.
Any takers??? Or can all your big bad men .. handle it???
LawnDart
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 09:11:15 AM
OK how about an impartial person to set rules and tell you guys which plane you are using.
1. Plane will be used in MA ... squad with the most kills in such plane wins that round.
2. Plane will be used for 3 days no changing .. in a 30 day month you have 10 planes you will use.
3. No shade or volunteer vulching or kills.
4. After the competition is over the losing squad must change squad name to either (a.) Dammed Muppets (b.) Muppets Dammed Us
Simple yet exciting .. and seeing how I don't have a pony in this fight I will play the part of the moderator to pick your planes.
Any takers??? Or can all your big bad men .. handle it???
LawnDart
Muppets play more and have more players. Their numbers alone will give them the advantage.
A small fix, we will add up the kills of 10 active players of each sides choice. That way it isn't anyone's fault for not playing during that time period and that way each squad has an even opportunity to get more kills.
You should factor in kills per time , hit percentage , kills per sortie , and kills per death. All very simple math that I would be willing to do for each side.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 09:12:16 AM
I can't speak for the rest of The Damned but that looks mighty fine to me for a start Lawndart, A few things could be changed around just to make things more inticing.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 13, 2015, 09:13:06 AM
Lets see about getting this Bracket off its feet before we commit to the Drama queen show down.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 09:16:36 AM
I thought the drama queen show down is what encouraged them to finally come out of hiding and participate in some real competition? :headscratch:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 09:20:57 AM
Muppets play more and have more players. Their numbers alone will give them the advantage.
A small fix, we will add up the kills of 10 active players of each sides choice. That way it isn't anyone's fault for not playing during that time period and that way each squad has an even opportunity to get more kills.
You should factor in kills per time , hit percentage , kills per sortie , and kills per death. All very simple math that I would be willing to do for each side.
For the record. I don't believe we play "more" at this day n age. But the amount of players we have might compensate for that. Although, many don't regard score in our squad. It just so happens that some of us get good marks and its just the way we fly.
That being said. I'll have a MA competition in 190Ds or LA7s vs anyone in the Damned just for competition sake of who can achieve the best overall record for one month.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ebfd11 on March 13, 2015, 09:37:17 AM
Muppets play more and have more players. Their numbers alone will give them the advantage.
A small fix, we will add up the kills of 10 active players of each sides choice. That way it isn't anyone's fault for not playing during that time period and that way each squad has an even opportunity to get more kills.
You should factor in kills per time , hit percentage , kills per sortie , and kills per death. All very simple math that I would be willing to do for each side.
I can't speak for the rest of The Damned but that looks mighty fine to me for a start Lawndart, A few things could be changed around just to make things more inticing.
OK pick 7 and post here.. same for the Muppets..
LawnDart
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 13, 2015, 09:47:12 AM
Wait really....
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Krupinski on March 13, 2015, 11:14:44 AM
I for one have no interest in your petty chest thumping.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 13, 2015, 03:59:57 PM
You can try and deflect the conversation into any direction you want it just goes to show me how quick some of you will hide when competition arises.
:rolleyes: I'm guessing this is directed at me.... sounds good I guess... not much truth in it though... still a lil full of it I see... unfortunate...
I along with many others from TG have only gotten better being with The Damned and have proved it in the MA many times within these past few weeks, You can try and deflect the conversation into any direction you want it just goes to show me how quick some of you will hide when competition arises.
btw when is this bracket getting done I call dibs on fighting Sc0tch first?
That is if he shows, I heard he declined a challenge to the DA already....
Haha. The fact is you're the one trying to deflect the conversation by "dragging it in game" (but not really?). Like that's going to disprove you're a tool and now a kool-aid drinking cryyr disciple? :rofl Keep chest thumping. We're laughing at it.
Bracket fights sound fun whatever rules get worked out. Though I'm taking MY boat up to AK for the season within the next four weeks and my ingame time is again extremely limited. I do plan to grab my stick/peds and bring them on board though... Something to do when weathered in and the deckhands are out in the cold cleaning the boat. :aok :D
Please show proof of me turning down a duel. Your lying boss couldn't. I do have waaaaay more important things going on in real life right now that are affecting my opportunities to fly. Twist that however you want, but unless you're going to fork over the money I'm chasing, I really don't care. I'll fly/duel anytime my schedule and location allows. It's fun.
ttyl d00d.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 13, 2015, 04:06:32 PM
this is true, ive fought BigR, ToneyJoey just seems to kill me after im at 120mph commited to another fight.
TJ can fight... although he is really good at cherrying someone while they're fighting others.. but he can dance with the best.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 13, 2015, 04:16:19 PM
I remember coming back in late 2010? And running into TJ in a 51 off to the side of a huge furball. I forget if I was in a 51 or a k4, but it lasted quite a while . He got one of my ailerons and from then on he was slowly picking me apart piece by piece. Was a fun fight. To remember a fight five years later means something. I still remember a few fights from MacAW in '96 and AW3 in 99/00. :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 13, 2015, 04:23:04 PM
I wonder if JunkyII can fight... his memory isn't that good I see from some of his posts... anyone know?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 13, 2015, 04:24:25 PM
The last time I dueled him was a couple years ago and I think he was still improving. He could've been a C, or maybe even B list muppet. :aok :old:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 05:26:59 PM
:rofl This all started when Junky called out those who didn't belong on a "Best pilot list" and the rest of the ragtag groupie B Listers come running to flood the thread with support for their "Friends"
Keep deflecting. :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 13, 2015, 05:28:05 PM
Did you guys just deflect from The Damned to me???
I'll be your huckleberry, looks like I'm back to hunting muppets again. Good can't wait for more threats of physical abuse towards me. Hahahaha game on Lil boys.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 05:31:34 PM
The funny thing is I'll admit there are muppets better then me hell I let Krup stomp on me in the DA quite often...."What you say about my friend?!?!?!?!" A few of these jerkoffs need to calm down.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 13, 2015, 05:37:36 PM
I see the whole " I have changed" drbone really never happened and you are still the same tard you always were.
edit
you and skyrr a perfect match.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 05:39:07 PM
I know we are why do you think we made the merge! :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ardy123 on March 13, 2015, 05:40:35 PM
Thank you for educating all of us... now we know...
I know we are why do you think we made the merge! :aok
that's too bad, I actually hoped you were different and grew up....
was ready to let bygones be bygones....
but now you are associating with someone who is more delusional then midway...has 2 cheat bans on steam...buddy got busted for hackin this game...
enjoy the disdain.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 05:49:55 PM
I did grow up and I didn't let the Minority of this community ruin my out look on competitive game play, I personally don't like you and never have and that's simply based off the personal threats,attacks,pm's in game of harmful attacks on me over how I choose to play the game and perform in.<--You're a joke and I personally would love to see you show up to my place, Dayton ohio 45403 1530 Mcclain st. -937-312-7411 come on down! :aok
Honestly you need to put the computer away and focus on RL because it really seems like you have something else cooking in that head of yours ink, If you can't handle some competitive trash talk with some honest truth then why put yourself in the position you're in.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: wpeters on March 13, 2015, 05:52:10 PM
:rofl This all started when Junky called out those who didn't belong on a "Best pilot list" and the rest of the ragtag groupie B Listers come running to flood the thread with support for their "Friends"
Keep deflecting. :aok
Yeah, I've already said I didn't agree with a lot of that, which doesn't stop me from trolling you like the little fishy you are. And still the only deflecting is from you. Wtg Doctor Bonnie.
Did you guys just deflect from The Damned to me???
I'll be your huckleberry, looks like I'm back to hunting muppets again. Good can't wait for more threats of physical abuse towards me. Hahahaha game on Lil boys.
What's all this "deflection" crap? haha I was answering SR humorously. I thought you would've found it funny. I didn't realize you would need to pull a tissue out of your purse over it. But I guess under the presence of these Navy Seals you might be a little self conscious. Yeah, lets fight irl? hehe I want to hear that story.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ardy123 on March 13, 2015, 05:53:38 PM
Poison wasn't in our squad when he was banned. I thought you were the all knowing AH Demi God.
Yes, Poison was in The Damned when he was banned. Are you in the Damned? No one said how long someone had to be in a squad to be considered in a squad, lol.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
BluBerry was also a Fantastic memory! :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 07:09:50 PM
Yes, Poison was in The Damned when he was banned. Are you in the Damned? No one said how long someone had to be in a squad to be considered in a squad, lol.
You should be working on your pitiful ACM instead of attempting to troll here Changeup. You are the saddest excuse on the muppets. I don't even consider you a muppet myself, you hold the tag for reasons the public are unknown to. When it comes to your skill, you really are the dirt beneath my boots & bates.
As for the poison comment, I forgot I wasn't in Top Gun anymore for a split second. I do believe BluBerry was banned from the game though? He was in TG but went to AoM and was AoM when he was banned. So not only did you get TG sloppy seconds our sloppy seconds got banned under your tag.
Must I really get into sloppy seconds though?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Mar on March 13, 2015, 07:14:57 PM
Wow. Looks like that ignore list is going to get crowded. :confused:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 13, 2015, 07:20:03 PM
You should be working on your pitiful ACM instead of attempting to troll here Changeup. You are the saddest excuse on the muppets. I don't even consider you a muppet myself, you hold the tag for reasons the public are unknown to. When it comes to your skill, you really are the dirt beneath my boots & bates.
As for the poison comment, I forgot I wasn't in Top Gun anymore for a split second. I do believe BluBerry was banned from the game though? He was in TG but went to AoM and was AoM when he was banned. So not only did you get TG sloppy seconds our sloppy seconds got banned under your tag.
Must I really get into sloppy seconds though?
Nice petulant child routine there Ghost, lmao.
Somewhere you've gotten a lot of things confused like who you are and where you are. You've played more boys in game than a drag queen and behaved like one of the most attention-starved, needy punks I've ever seen. It's absolutely embarrassing.
If the future of our Navy is in the hands of a boy like you who cant prioritize what is important or his online persona that will NEVER leave him, we are in sad shape indeed little guy.
Keep kissin up because it's the only way someone like you will ever move up.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Slash27 on March 13, 2015, 07:26:13 PM
Which muppet has been banned from the game? Some where banned from the forums but not the game, unlike a certain member of your squadron.
Bluberry was but I was never clear on what the deal was honestly. I may have it backwards but I think he was banned before he joined AoM, somehow got back, and was banned again. I could be wrong, I lose interest pretty quickly with these things.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 07:26:45 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 07:30:42 PM
If the future of our Navy is in the hands of a boy like you who cant prioritize what is important or his online persona that will NEVER leave him, we are in sad shape indeed little guy.
Skyyr awarding Ghost as he graduates from Navy ROTC. It was a happy day for The Damned. Another future seal. (http://s24.postimg.org/sa3ryp2mt/NROTC.png)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Slash27 on March 13, 2015, 07:33:17 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 07:34:19 PM
:rofl
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 07:35:09 PM
Skyyr awarding Ghost as he graduates from Navy ROTC. It was a happy day for The Damned. Another future seal. (http://s24.postimg.org/sa3ryp2mt/NROTC.png)
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 13, 2015, 07:55:13 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JOACH1M on March 13, 2015, 07:56:31 PM
ANARCHAYYYYYY! ( not the person)
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 13, 2015, 08:02:19 PM
Oh Ghost...you and Bone don't need to be paranoid, I'm not paying for JOACH1M's account or anyone else's...he really just wanted to get away from you. I know that's hard to believe with your excellent ACM skillz and your future, astrophysics discoveries....how dumb of you both...and how insulting to JO that you think he would take that kind of offer.
Ens Loser.
Too bad I didn't think you were paying for his subscription. I didn't care when Robbie left, I embraced it. Robbie joining your squad means what to me? Hell even when Anarchy decided to join I didn't care. I even told him, do what you want I don't care. You want the PM's I will gladly forward it to you.
You are paranoid if you think I care about your private phone calls to Jo.
You have yet to deny that, but you deny paying for his account which was a rumor set by Boner not me.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: NatCigg on March 13, 2015, 08:43:35 PM
sorry guys im a bit old. but is this what cyber bullying is? if so its quite hilarious and yet disturbing at the same time.
carry on. i would guess skuzzys keyboard and mouse will love all the warm attention on monday.
:bhead
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 08:44:39 PM
Loser. Ensign Loser....I won't hold mah breath rocket boy
YA, Robbie told me you got all weird about he and I talking and he said you were inquiring about E management too. I guess you needed help, eh??
All of my Energy fighting skills inquiring was acquired from Skyyr. I don't even have Robbie's phone number. But please do tell me more about how I needed information on how to E fight from Robbie, please.
I got extremely "weirded" out about you calling him about a video game just to try and beat someone. Why learn how to E Fight from him when I could learn from the man who made it infamous. The only thing is I don't ask someone how to do it, I DA them. There is this thing called adapting, something you are obviously bad at as I could tell from your duels with Skyyr.
The first time I fought Skyyr I will admit, it took me 4-5 losses to realize and understand what he was doing. Then it got to the point where I could match his energy states. You on the other hand would have to call, Grizz and Joachim and ask about "Energy Stages" and "Circle Merges" in order to have any chance in winning.
Changeup the last time I fought you, I beat you. . .bad. Now if you have learned something from your private calls with Jo that is great and I am more than willing to DA you again. Maybe this time I will actually have to drop my flaps or use my throttle.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 13, 2015, 08:44:45 PM
No...I'm quite sure he sees exactly what we see...he just told me that. On the phone, lol. :aok :cheers:
Either way it don't matter to me. Internet friendship breakups at it's finest!
Only thing that matters is you scrubs can't handle it so you resort to lame tactics, You always have been a dirty little snake always will be. :aok :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 13, 2015, 08:46:58 PM
Too bad I didn't think you were paying for his subscription. I didn't care when Robbie left, I embraced it. Robbie joining your squad means what to me? Hell even when Anarchy decided to join I didn't care. I even told him, do what you want I don't care. You want the PM's I will gladly forward it to you.
You are paranoid if you think I care about your private phone calls to Jo.
You have yet to deny that, but you deny paying for his account which was a rumor set by Boner not me.
You do care. You care enough to bring it up! You just forgot to mention you constantly asked JO about how to manage your E states and how to get better and about me allegedly paying his sub and that Bone and you were both "concerned" about it. Are you calling Robbie a liar Chris? It sounds like you are calling him a liar.
EDIT: Right, you dont' call him...you Skype him. YOu facetime him...lmao. No phone numbers right?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Biggamer on March 13, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
so much hate and angry people why? the game is to fun for all this non sense... every thread is the same people with the same BS , now fighting over who is making who look worse truth is you all look bad but you don't see it i guess
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 08:52:37 PM
You do care. You care enough to bring it up! You just forgot to mention you constantly asked JO about how to manage your E states and how to get better and about me allegedly paying his sub and that Bone and you were both "concerned" about it. Are you calling Robbie a liar Chris? It sounds like you are calling him a liar.
If the boot fit feel free to lace that betch up and wear it. I guess he is a liar because the ONLY question I asked Robbie was how do you think Skyyr pulls off more E in the first merge. Robbie answered with a simple reply, he uses trim. That is ALL the knowledge Robbie has ever shared with me.
So either YOU are lying or Robbie is lying. I really don't care who it is that is lying but if I asked more questions please feel free to post the films of these "said questions" I would love to take more notes.
Joachim and I were taught by the same damn person how to fight. He was trained a little more than I was simply because I left the game and he stayed and continued to train with DrBone.
Hell you saw what happened to Redbull annnddd DrSpek. . .all trained with/by DrBone. I was the same way I simply stopped flying instead of staying.
Now Changeup, what about the Dueling Arena?
EDIT : I don't have his phone number :rolleyes: Can't Facetime him without his iMessage Information. I don't even have Skype on my computer, phone, or iPad. You really are scraping for answers and it is sad. Keep scraping the bottom of that pan.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 13, 2015, 08:52:57 PM
If the boot fit feel free to lace that betch up and wear it. I guess he is a liar because the ONLY question I asked Robbie was how do you think Skyyr pulls off more E in the first merge. Robbie answered with a simple reply, he uses trim. That is ALL the knowledge Robbie has ever shared with me.
So either YOU are lying or Robbie is lying. I really don't care who it is that is lying but if I asked more questions please feel free to post the films of these "said questions" I would love to take more notes.
Joachim and I were taught by the same damn person how to fight. He was trained a little more than I was simply because I left the game and he stayed and continued to train with DrBone.
Hell you saw what happened to Redbull annnddd DrSpek. . .all trained with/by DrBone. I was the same way I simply stopped flying instead of staying.
Now Changeup, what about the Dueling Arena?
EDIT : I don't have his phone number :rolleyes: Can't Facetime him without his iMessage Information. I don't even have Skype on my computer, phone, or iPad. You really are scraping for answers and it is sad. Keep scraping the bottom of that pan.
You left out option C...that you are lying.
But its funny you call a guy like Robbie your friend out one strapped up boot and from the other strapped up boot call him someone that has a $14.95 a month price tag. To add insult to injury, you think he's too stupid to notice.
You are a joke. We can DA all night long, I could lose every single fight Chris and you'll still be a lost, lying, socially inept, future plasma-taking, needle tech at the local clinic. All your toon ACM won't matter much then will it? lmao. :rofl
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Kruel on March 13, 2015, 09:03:39 PM
Wow...this devolved rapidly didn't it...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 09:05:00 PM
But its funny you call a guy like Robbie your friend out one strapped up boot and from the other strapped up boot call him someone that has a $14.95 a month price tag. To add insult to injury, you think he's too stupid to notice.
You are a joke. We can DA all night long, I could lose every single fight Chris and you'll still be a lost, lying, socially inept, future plasma-taking, needle tech at the local clinic. All your toon ACM won't matter much then will it? lmao. :rofl
Screenshots/Films or it didn't happen?
When have I EVER said you were paying for his subscription? I never even mentioned it, YOU did. Now if he told you I thought that then hooray for him but I sure didn't.
Anything I have to say to Robbie I will say to him. What am I to fear? Is he going to defriend me? Beat me up? Hell if you want I will even PM him right now and tell him he is a liar for saying I said things I didn't say; if that will make you feel better about your sad attempts at trolling.
Keep scraping the bottom of that pan, you almost got the grit.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: kilo2 on March 13, 2015, 09:06:16 PM
:rofl
:banana:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 13, 2015, 09:06:57 PM
When have I EVER said you were paying for his subscription? I never even mentioned it, YOU did. Now if he told you I thought that then hooray for him but I sure didn't.
Anything I have to say to Robbie I will say to him. What am I to fear? Is he going to defriend me? Beat me up? Hell if you want I will even PM him right now and tell him he is a liar for saying I said things I didn't say; if that will make you feel better about your sad attempts at trolling.
Keep scraping the bottom of that pan, you almost got the grit.
You care or you would have PM'd him a long time ago.
I've known Robbie since day 1. We actually started the same day in the DA. Flew together a lot. I'm quite certain he's telling the truth. You? You on the other hand have a lot to hide it seems. Lets just leave it at that. Really lets mmkay?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Dragon Tamer on March 13, 2015, 09:09:04 PM
(http://rs1img.memecdn.com/now-kiss_o_132831.jpg)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: GhostCDB on March 13, 2015, 09:09:40 PM
You care or you would have PM'd him a long time ago.
I've known Robbie since day 1. We actually started the same day in the DA. Flew together a lot. I'm quite certain he's telling the truth. You? You on the other hand have a lot to hide it seems. Lets just leave it at that. Really lets mmkay?
:rofl
You want him as your friend that bad? Keep him I don't care. You saw him first and you called dibbs first so you can have him.
EDIT : KEEP ON SCRAPING
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: kilo2 on March 13, 2015, 09:13:56 PM
When people stop being friends and start being real...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 13, 2015, 09:15:47 PM
What's all this "deflection" crap? haha I was answering SR humorously. I thought you would've found it funny. I didn't realize you would need to pull a tissue out of your purse over it. But I guess under the presence of these Navy Seals you might be a little self conscious. Yeah, lets fight irl? hehe I want to hear that story.
I did find your post as good bantor. SkyRock is either playing stupid or he just doesn't remember our one and only set fight(Happened prior to some R/L issues for him)
You saying you would whoop my arse IRL?(Bolded part)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: wpeters on March 13, 2015, 09:30:48 PM
I did find your post as good bantor. SkyRock is either playing stupid or he just doesn't remember our one and only set fight(Happened prior to some R/L issues for him)
You saying you would whoop my arse IRL?(Bolded part)
He said he wants to hear the story you're referring too. Are you really this assed up?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Scotch on March 13, 2015, 09:41:55 PM
Yeah JunkyLL, let's fight.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: kappa on March 13, 2015, 10:21:09 PM
That's funny considering Myself along with DrSpek were in the Muppets for maybe a week or 2 before we left. Also if I am not mistaken Grizz was practically begging me to join back in 2010 or maybe 2011 and I respectively declined.
All the other 'stuff' in this thread aside, I thought I'd point out this is in fact NOT TRUE in any way shape or form..
Bone, you were never in the muppets.. Not sure how you get that but I do understand why you would state that.. If you would like I can post your PM's to me BOTH times you asked to join the muppets..
Bone, i can help you even more.. Maybe you should go check your PM's to Red around Oct2012.. lol 'Before we left'.. damn, and I was really tryin to give you the benefit of doubt..
Edit: you're correct though in 2010 before we knew you your name was circled around and declined.. And grizz was your proponent. The squad however, was not.. Guess we got a lucky dodge there..
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on March 13, 2015, 10:35:44 PM
^ Grand'pa was sitting in his rocking chair next to the fire. He carefully placed his tea on the antique apron and raised his body in a grunt. As he made his way across the poorly lighted room he smacked the fussy pre-teen on the back of the head. :old:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ardy123 on March 13, 2015, 10:41:52 PM
We should just get the bomber wing up and going again... we can put Semp (he always wanted to lead it!) and DrBone in it... I'll just sit back, drink my whiskey and smile!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: kappa on March 13, 2015, 10:44:52 PM
All the other 'stuff' in this thread aside, I thought I'd point out this is in fact NOT TRUE in any way shape or form..
Bone, you were never in the muppets.. Not sure how you get that but I do understand why you would state that.. If you would like I can post your PM's to me BOTH times you asked to join the muppets..
Bone, i can help you even more.. Maybe you should go check your PM's to Red around Oct2012.. lol 'Before we left'.. damn, and I was really tryin to give you the benefit of doubt..
Edit: you're correct though in 2010 before we knew you your name was circled around and declined.. And grizz was your proponent. The squad however, was not.. Guess we got a lucky dodge there..
Why don't you go back to the Dayton gathering thread and pull my face
(http://s4.postimg.org/jbm249o31/boneown.png)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Masherbrum on March 13, 2015, 11:44:53 PM
The lengths some are willing to go is absolutely pathetic.
But the squad backslapping is lame to an extent in these threads. It is too contrived.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SPKmes on March 13, 2015, 11:55:16 PM
I do believe all this bollocks has stirred a little life back into things... I have noticed an increase in squads winging since the start of all this...something that has fallen by the wayside over the last number of years.... perhaps we are back on track to good old squad ops in the mains again. The last crew to fall away that used to be a pain in my butt to fight was the loose deuce... they stuck to their tactics....great winging squad. the best part was they didn't flaunt it...well not so much in anycase....I knew this crappy cycle had to end soon...most cycles are between 5 and 7 years..
One thing I just have to say...it has been in the back of my mind from a while ago.... take it as you will...but it is such a glaring in your face thing for me.... the damned seem to me, like a group of people who have just stepped out of an Anthony Robbins seminar.... and I've seen you lurking in the background of this thread. I feel sorry for poison.......
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 14, 2015, 12:23:56 AM
I do believe all this bollocks has stirred a little life back into things... I have noticed an increase in squads winging since the start of all this...something that has fallen by the wayside over the last number of years.... perhaps we are back on track to good old squad ops in the mains again. The last crew to fall away that used to be a pain in my butt to fight was the loose deuce... they stuck to their tactics....great winging squad. the best part was they didn't flaunt it...well not so much in anycase....I knew this crappy cycle had to end soon...most cycles are between 5 and 7 years..
One thing I just have to say...it has been in the back of my mind from a while ago.... take it as you will...but it is such a glaring in your face thing for me.... the damned seem to me, like a group of people who have just stepped out of an Anthony Robbins seminar.... and I've seen you lurking in the background of this thread. I feel sorry for poison.......
almost gives people a reason to log back on and knock the dust off and feel young(er) again :) need more of the past times to come back!
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 14, 2015, 01:06:31 AM
Was he not a member of The Damned? Isn't LtCondor a member of The Damned? I see the light bulb doesn't go on very often does it?
Condor was not a member of The Damned at the time. You just used that exact same reasoning, only in reverse, to excuse BluBerry/the Muppets because he wasn't in their squad at the time.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JOACH1M on March 14, 2015, 01:26:47 AM
Condor was not a member of The Damned at the time. You just used that exact same reasoning, only in reverse, to excuse BluBerry/the Muppets because he wasn't in their squad at the time.
so what's the scoop with poisen?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JimmyC on March 14, 2015, 02:33:39 AM
Just getting my mrs to make a batch of cookies.. Can drop them round to you tongs.. You can hand them out like lolly pops to all the cool kidz that so desperatly need em Just here to help Jimmy
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SPKmes on March 14, 2015, 02:42:14 AM
that would be cool... really should have a beer with you someday...only 30mins away.... I can't wear my 1337 sticker though...gave it to Ghost... a bit annoying really...he has it 5 mins and is already pulling the chicks
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 14, 2015, 08:23:54 AM
that would be cool... really should have a beer with you someday...only 30mins away.... I can't wear my 1337 sticker though...gave it to Ghost... a bit annoying really...he has it 5 mins and is already pulling the chicks
Maybe you can real-life wrestle him for it and get it back.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 14, 2015, 08:25:07 AM
I did grow up and I didn't let the Minority of this community ruin my out look on competitive game play, I personally don't like you and never have and that's simply based off the personal threats,attacks,pm's in game of harmful attacks on me over how I choose to play the game and perform in.<--You're a joke and I personally would love to see you show up to my place, Dayton ohio 45403 1530 Mcclain st. -937-312-7411 come on down! :aok
Honestly you need to put the computer away and focus on RL because it really seems like you have something else cooking in that head of yours ink, If you can't handle some competitive trash talk with some honest truth then why put yourself in the position you're in.
:rofl
what would you do...besides call the cops. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 08:28:52 AM
How would you know? You never showed up after throwing the threat, Looks like the DA ain't the only place you will back out from a fight. :D
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 14, 2015, 08:37:01 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 14, 2015, 08:41:45 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 08:42:46 AM
Depends on the form in which you say it, You were pretty clear on what you meant to do to me and my family. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Triton28 on March 14, 2015, 08:44:41 AM
Moving over and moving aside... isn't that pretty much the same thing? lol
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 08:46:02 AM
Moving over and moving aside... isn't that pretty much the same thing? lol
It was meant to be a quote from Stampf but I never changed it.
But yes it does mean the same thing you little knit picking tard. :neener:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Debrody on March 14, 2015, 08:47:12 AM
Had like 5 months when i could take anyone in a 190D. Heck i made it to #1 while actually turnfighting in it... 2013 October i guess. If anyone can remember that "Dora'hore" period. Since that im not really playing. Only to stir up the pot and rise my ego even higher : )
For the most, like me, its plane-specific. But the very best can fight like a beast, in what ever they have. The very best i have ever encountered was Bighorn.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 14, 2015, 08:47:41 AM
Depends on the form in which you say it, You were pretty clear on what you meant to do to me and my family. :rolleyes:
you are a liar....never would I threaten a family...nice try....
but please post where I threaten your family.....
wow I was right you and skyrr are a perfect match.
this is a threat---->I am going to break your face...
this is not a threat---->I would love to break your face....
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 08:53:23 AM
:rofl
You know what you said bro I ain't got no reason to lie about something like this.
I could never take you serious to be honest with you I always thought you were just trolling until I actually heard you making threats over comms to me. It don't bother me that you did Just makes it more sweeter to point out how serious some of you take this game and then preach a different story here.
edit: I thought we already established that me and Skyyr are a perfect match, I think Kruel will be along shortly to post a pic of our love child together.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 14, 2015, 09:01:40 AM
You know what you said bro I ain't got no reason to lie about something like this.
I could never take you serious to be honest with you always thought you were just trolling until I actually heard you making threats over comms to me. It don't bother me that you did Just makes it more sweeter to point out how serious some of you take this game and then preach a different story here.
first don't call me "bro"
and you have plenty of reason to lie...
the biggest is you are a liar...
never threatened you or your family.
I certainly may have said I would love to elbow smash your face in...
or some such thing......maybe punch my fist through your chest...sounds like something I would say...
or maybe I said something along the lines of...damn would I love to stomp your face into the ground....
is that a threat?
but once I realized you were part girl I felt bad for saying stuff like that.... ;)
typical of you though, to try to and make you out to be the victim.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Triton28 on March 14, 2015, 09:02:44 AM
It was meant to be a quote from Stampf but I never changed it.
But yes it does mean the same thing you little knit picking tard. :neener:
Because changing your signature in your profile is difficult. :old:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 09:07:18 AM
I never made myself out to be a victim, I only pointed out how much you along with a select few who take this game too serious and btw The only thing you can victimize is a condom because you can't fit one! :x
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 14, 2015, 09:10:05 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 14, 2015, 09:14:24 AM
See Rules #4, #6
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 09:20:37 AM
whoah bro why so personal? :lol
Nobody said anything about D*cks..
edit: Should we post pics and then resume the conversation at hand?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 09:24:59 AM
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 14, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
See Rule #4
Title: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Masherbrum on March 14, 2015, 09:45:39 AM
Am I to presume that "the non-TC Damned" are the self proclaimed best cartoon aces that this community has to offer? Posting addresses really escalates this sausage fest into new realms of "Why some should restrict their time on a computer or hit delete, instead of post reply."
Salute to the real TC - The Damned
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Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 09:49:38 AM
Considering that just me and Ghost have been responding to these poor attempts does not result or require The Damned as a whole to be called out.
Especially since I am only providing information to which his threat required, Why should I not provide it..... It's not like he or anyone else here would really show up, I mean come on now this just gathered within the past 2 pages.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 14, 2015, 09:52:31 AM
Posting your address over there internet is a really bad idea. If I was some sort of awful human being, Id take that address you gave me and make a craigslist add saying that I have a "Breaking and Enter rape fetish ", that I like to be held down and "Taken" by force. Than I'd post that address :D
Good thing I'm not an awful person :t :t :t
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Masherbrum on March 14, 2015, 09:55:19 AM
Why are you replying to me, if you have me blocked on this BBS? Kind of negates the point of ignoring someone, eh? But yes, you are involving your entire squad and have been. Whether or not you choose to accept that fact.
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Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DrBone1 on March 14, 2015, 09:56:47 AM
:rofl
Maybe it's not my real address.... :noid
--Karaya--
Still had ya on the list from a long time ago... I will remove right now bro. :lol
edit: Even if I did involve them it still doesn't change the point of the conversation at hand, I expected this kind of back lash..Heck you should have seen my message box when I disbanded TG and joined The Damned.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Masherbrum on March 14, 2015, 09:58:26 AM
Posting your address over there internet is a really bad idea. If I was some sort of awful human being, Id take that address you gave me and make a craigslist add saying that I have a "Breaking and Enter rape fetish ", that I like to be held down and "Taken" by force. Than I'd post that address :D
Good thing I'm not an awful person :t :t :t
omg dude.. thats fluff'n sick.. who thinks of such things? lol
and people say imagination is dead in america.. ;p
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 14, 2015, 11:47:42 AM
omg dude.. thats fluffluff'n sick.. who thinks of such things? lol
and people say imagination is dead in america.. ;p
QFT. GIzz's emotionally-stable stock just plummeted. I think he needs to be on a registered list somewhere. Posting that alone is enough to get on a police list.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 14, 2015, 12:29:46 PM
Lol are you suggesting I should be a registered sex offender because I warned the community not to post their address?
:rolleyes:
IMO, people who get this bent out of shape over video games should be under observation :cool:
But I'm no doctor
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JunkyII on March 14, 2015, 12:39:01 PM
Did you guys just deflect from The Damned to me???
I'll be your huckleberry, looks like I'm back to hunting muppets again. Good can't wait for more threats of physical abuse towards me. Hahahaha game on Lil boys.
you're good for a laugh... last time I fought you, we cold merged otd you in a 109f me in a hog-1 and after a good fight ending in the rolling scissors, I dispatched you... seems that might be the way all of our co-e merges would go... :aok
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 14, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
My memory is pretty good, oh and I don't exaggerate or tell lies...call it how it is.
bah.. you need to polish it up...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Krupinski on March 14, 2015, 01:26:48 PM
I may have had an ego at some point, but I realized the bigger picture. Everyone in this thread is pathetic, and it's not even the slightest bit entertaining. Junkle is my huckleberry. :banana:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 14, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
I did find your post as good bantor. SkyRock is either playing stupid or he just doesn't remember our one and only set fight(Happened prior to some R/L issues for him)
You saying you would whoop my arse IRL?(Bolded part)
I fought you after I got out.. in the MA a set up fight... sorry you don't remember that... but it happened... I enjoyed it,was a great fight... anytime you want to go have some fights, I'm down... I don't fly much here lately though... but soon enough I'll be back on..
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: kappa on March 14, 2015, 01:59:30 PM
I actually think you're jacked up for coming up with it. Lotsa ways to provide pub service announcements other than giving tools more ideas, eh? Eh??
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 14, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
:noid
I'm sorry if I offended you Changeup, as long as you haven't posted your information on these board for someone to find, I'd say your safe from the scenario I presented earlier.
Funny thing is I wasn't even the one who came up with that. I heard that years and years ago ;)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 14, 2015, 06:13:38 PM
I'm sorry if I offended you Changeup, as long as you haven't posted your information on these board for someone to find, I'd say your safe from the scenario I presented earlier.
Funny thing is I wasn't even the one who came up with that. I heard that years and years ago ;)
I'm pretty sure it didn't need to be posted eh? In mean let's be honest...you were thinking it would be funny and everyone would respond like Kappa, hmmm? Looking back I'm sure you'd rather you wouldn't have given some weirdo here a new idea right?
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on March 14, 2015, 06:37:23 PM
Lol. It was funny
Stop acting like I've put people in danger :police:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 14, 2015, 07:36:57 PM
I trust my memory more then yours...I don't fly a 109F..like ever.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Tumor on March 15, 2015, 02:08:17 AM
:rolleyes:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Tom5572 on March 15, 2015, 03:32:58 AM
For prosperity, I want to get in this thread before it is locked.
There are too many fine pilots to list. Most are far better than I could dream of being.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: JimmyC on March 15, 2015, 03:53:20 AM
There is also a lot of garbage Call in the professionals not Body and Doyle HiTech and his new crew.. (http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff274/lowerbrook/Mobile%20Uploads/20150301_160349_zpslworrkcu.jpg) (http://s237.photobucket.com/user/lowerbrook/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20150301_160349_zpslworrkcu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ghi on March 15, 2015, 12:38:15 PM
I trust my memory more then yours...I don't fly a 109F..like ever.
I gonna have to trust your memory also, because I looked, and although I remember the fight well, I must have the planes wrong because I couldn't find it when I looked... sorry.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Skyyr on March 15, 2015, 04:58:28 PM
best sticks I have fought...(this is based on who I have fought..not who I like better)
I judge someone's skill by how difficult they are to kill....
there has never been anyone I couldn't kill...especially if I was hitting good that day....then even the very best have fallen, but those days are rare....
but these are the guys who stand out in my head as being the "best" after 10 years of flying fighters....and if they have a ride...ill list it.
Fester..... in anything.....very difficult to kill I could get him maybe 2 out of 10 times.... Grizz.... same as fester......very difficult to kill.... insane Aim....give him even a tiny shot opportunity...he will hit....got him maybe 3-4 out of 10 m00t.... in 152 or anything but really shined in 152.....wow he knows those angles..... Kappa..... insane in pretty much anything......talk about knowing how to fight...... Batfink....very good at angles.. Aim not as good as the very best but still better then mine.... Iko..........another one who knows angles..knows E...very good fight...Aim is exceptional Violator....really knows how to control the plane....very difficult to kill... Slash.......very good in the Ki84 knows that plane like me..inside and out...tough fight Irishone....crazy 190 fighter Steve.......in the P-51 not a "turn fighter" but NO ONE today or yesteryear.....could kill as effectively in it. Shane.......in the LA7.... Joach1m....little bastage can fight his arse off in anything. Krup.........excels in the K4...but can fight in anything Redbull.....he was like a mini Grizz but was a Bit easier to kill :rofl (that's relative BTW:-) AKAK......gee can you guess what he flies... :azn: Tongs.......... in the Ki61 Lepape....p47
there are others that I have "heard" where great and probably deserve to be on that list...I just ether fought them only once or just not enough to know for sure...
or I could have just forgot...I do remember LYNX killing my like 6 times in a row......but that was a long time ago...and since I was able to get my revenge... :D
This list is pretty good Though I dont think I ever faced AKAK. And Im not sure about mOOt. I do know years ago there was someone giving me fits in a 152 that could beat you any way you wanted to fight. I mean this guy would turnfight on the deck in the damn thing 2,3 4 V1 and still come out on top. Kappa probably the best in both the K4 and 262. especially when teamed up with Grizz in 262's
Other 109's The only ones that really come to mind are JG42 and JG11 and I know there is another out there I just cant remember the handle
Grizz was in a class all by himself
Shane Easily hands down the best in the La7 Ive seen before or since. Not only could he outmanuver you. but he was a master of causing the overshoot and making you pay.. Again with him. Numbers didnt matter. If you had a shot on him you better make it cause it was often the only shot you were going ot get before ending up in the tower. someone recently told me in a conversation he was deaf to boot. Which to me makes him even more amazing knowing how much I use hearing for SA.
F4u and D9. It almost hurts saying this because he and I have been pawing at each other for the better part of 15+ years LOL. SHAWK when these were his regular rides.
The other thing on this list is I dont see too many that dont usually fight clean in almost any circumstance. Which is a pretty huge criteria when your speaking of bests
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 15, 2015, 05:53:34 PM
This list is pretty good Though I dont think I ever faced AKAK. And Im not sure about mOOt. I do know years ago there was someone giving me fits in a 152 that could beat you any way you wanted to fight. I mean this guy would turnfight on the deck in the damn thing 2,3 4 V1 and still come out on top.
Yep, that was Moot.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DREDIOCK on March 15, 2015, 05:59:37 PM
Dude. Youve pissed me off more times then I can count in that thing. you're the only one that makes me approach an Il2 on the deck with caution no matter how much advantage
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: ink on March 15, 2015, 07:15:38 PM
This list is pretty good Though I dont think I ever faced AKAK. And Im not sure about mOOt. I do know years ago there was someone giving me fits in a 152 that could beat you any way you wanted to fight. I mean this guy would turnfight on the deck in the damn thing 2,3 4 V1 and still come out on top. Kappa probably the best in both the K4 and 262. especially when teamed up with Grizz in 262's
Other 109's The only ones that really come to mind are JG42 and JG11 and I know there is another out there I just cant remember the handle
Grizz was in a class all by himself
Shane Easily hands down the best in the La7 Ive seen before or since. Not only could he outmanuver you. but he was a master of causing the overshoot and making you pay.. Again with him. Numbers didnt matter. If you had a shot on him you better make it cause it was often the only shot you were going ot get before ending up in the tower. someone recently told me in a conversation he was deaf to boot. Which to me makes him even more amazing knowing how much I use hearing for SA.
F4u and D9. It almost hurts saying this because he and I have been pawing at each other for the better part of 15+ years LOL. SHAWK when these were his regular rides.
The other thing on this list is I dont see too many that dont usually fight clean in almost any circumstance. Which is a pretty huge criteria when your speaking of bests
ya m00t was crazy haha
I remember him turn fighting my hurri in the 152...was a sight to behold. :cheers:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 15, 2015, 08:02:37 PM
JUGgler in the JUGs and 110. He stopped going fast in them because it was boring, lol. He had a better K/D when he started fighting them low and slow. I wish he were flying. :salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 15, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
Wish some of those guys came back. More to learn from lol
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Guppy35 on March 15, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
JUGgler in the JUGs and 110. He stopped going fast in them because it was boring, lol. He had a better K/D when he started fighting them low and slow. I wish he were flying. :salute
JUGler was fun to fight down low in that Jug of his. He could really bend it. One of those guys who played to 'fight' vs 'score'. The challenge was to get into and then out of a mess down low instead of fighting from the advantage all the time.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SPKmes on March 15, 2015, 09:39:36 PM
speaking of 110's ...it is on the tip of my fingers but I just can't think of his name.... long ago he used to fly the .... dastardly.... he was very good in the 110... and the neutered one at that.... but that was some time ago now.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 15, 2015, 10:14:47 PM
wetrat was the shizz in a 109...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Nath[BDP] on March 15, 2015, 10:16:22 PM
he was pretty good but not as refined as me
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Guppy35 on March 15, 2015, 10:18:49 PM
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on March 15, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
Had epic fights with Shane in the days, LA7 Vs D40. I don't think he was that good considering the plane he was flying and I'm a middle of the road guy. But we had a lil rivalery and both had a great time when we crossed patch. :cool:
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: hgtonyvi on March 16, 2015, 03:00:08 PM
JuGler Was really good in the p-47's. Lilmak will give you a fight also. I remember when Lilmak used to fly rooks we bumped into each other quite a few times. It was really fun. BTW what happend to JugLer?? I bumped into a guy name Huklebry the other day and he was flying the P-47. It was a great 1v1 fight. I wonder if thats Jugler lol. I doubt it. :salute
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 16, 2015, 03:42:49 PM
didn't i see a film once of you and wetrat in a long rolling scissors with him finally tatering you? was a good lil film...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: DmonSlyr on March 16, 2015, 03:45:30 PM
Also creton. He was a tough fight for many years. He'd kick my are for a long time till I finally got everything down. He's still a tough fight. I'm sure he is a bit rusty when he returns, but overall he was a great fight and tough competition
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: SkyRock on March 16, 2015, 03:52:47 PM
Also creton. He was a tough fight for many years. He'd kick my are for a long time till I finally got everything down. He's still a tough fight. I'm sure he is a bit rusty when he returns, but overall he was a great fight and tough competition
Creton was top tier...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 16, 2015, 04:05:23 PM
That guy was back for like a month two years ago. Whooped my ass
creton, myself, dedalos, and a small horde of others all were students of the bighorn kill shooter DA days... what a great time that was if you really had the desire to learn...
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Someguy63 on March 16, 2015, 04:38:25 PM
creton, myself, dedalos, and a small horde of others all were students of the bighorn kill shooter DA days... what a great time that was if you really had the desire to learn...
I can imagine lol
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Changeup on March 16, 2015, 10:03:33 PM
JuGler Was really good in the p-47's. Lilmak will give you a fight also. I remember when Lilmak used to fly rooks we bumped into each other quite a few times. It was really fun. BTW what happend to JugLer?? I bumped into a guy name Huklebry the other day and he was flying the P-47. It was a great 1v1 fight. I wonder if thats Jugler lol. I doubt it. :salute
Try this...I'm flying back with 5 in a Spit IX. I look up and there are two MaryJUGs at 10K looking down on me. One was JUGgler and the other was LilMak. I was 2K from my base. JUGgler killed me after about 2 mins of rolling around on the deck while LilMak watched. Then, I upped again and headed out. JUGgler watched while LilMak beat me. We did that till they ran out of gas and I didn't win one. I think I had been in the MA for about a month. I've got that film somewhere but holy hell it was death by 47.
No, Huk is not JUG but Huk is way old school. Just ask him when you see him next. He might tell ya who he is. He is one of the people Skyrock talked about in the DA with Bighorn, lol. Im not sure Skyrock even knows who he is.
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: Skyyr on April 09, 2015, 12:17:48 PM
Using dueling to determine who is "best" in a particular ride is a bit misguided. Dueling same-planes is almost entirely a matter of ACM knowledge and execution, with the actual characteristics of the plane and one's knowledge of those characteristics, at least in my opinion, not having a large impact on the fight. One anecdotal example was in one of BaldEagl's first dueling tournaments, where in the final round Grizz beat me in the 51, and I beat him in the K4. Yet, in an MA environment I would feel 10x more comfortable in a 51 than a K4, and vice versa for Grizz.
This is probably the most accurate summary in the entire thread. Once it becomes same plane vs. same plane, it's mainly just pilot skill.
That being said, I think the following fly their planes better than most in the MA:
109E/F/G - Pluto 110G - Wraithe 109K-4 - SunsFan D9 - BlkJck31 (throwing him in here as he's the best opponent I've faced yet in a D9) F4U-1 - Rud3boi F4U-1a - Violator Ki-84 - JUDAS (no one else comes close overall in this plane) LA-7 - JOACH1M and DrBone N1K-2 - 2cmex P-47M/N - YUCCA P-51D - TonyJoey (by far) Spit 8/9 - Bruv119 Tempest - 2cmex Yak-3 - Kruel (he just started flying it, but he flies it better than anyone I've seen)
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Post by: darkzking on April 09, 2015, 12:29:21 PM
This is probably the most accurate summary in the entire thread. Once it becomes same plane vs. same plane, it's mainly just pilot skill.
That being said, I think the following fly their planes better than most in the MA:
109E/F/G - Pluto 110G - Wraithe 109K-4 - SunsFan D9 - BlkJck31 (throwing him in here as he's the best opponent I've faced yet in a D9) F4U-1 - Rud3boi F4U-1a - Violator Ki-84 - JUDAS (no one else comes close overall in this plane) LA-7 - JOACH1M and DrBone P-39Q - raynos32 (fixed and there's no debating) P-47M/N - YUCCA P-51D - TonyJoey (by far) Spit 8/9 - Bruv119 Tempest - 2cmex Yak-3 - Kruel (he's still got some ways to grow, but he flies it better than anyone I've seen)
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Post by: JOACH1M on April 09, 2015, 12:58:06 PM
ill give you D9, you tricked me pretty good the other day. I'm not used to that :)
:airplane: :joystick:
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Post by: glzsqd on April 09, 2015, 01:43:36 PM
I'd say anarchy is the best 262 stick currently. Flametux is a pretty decent pilot(I wouldn't consider him elite) but I haven't seen anyone who has been as proficient with the yak9t's cannon than him. Biggamer is the best F6F stick I've run into(him and Alpha81 are a very effective wing pair).
Its funny that Skyyrs says that, because I was just thinking the other night "there's no one who's really exceptional in the Yak3" Best Yak3 stick I can think of(whom Ive fought) is Gp5, but he really isn't anywhere near dominant. Orelle is the only decent Yak9U pilot I've come across, but he isn't aggressive enough to put the fear of god into me when I know he's in the area. I haven't run into Kruel and his Yak3 yet, but If he flies it half as well as he flies that LA7, than I can see skyyrs point.
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 09, 2015, 03:00:22 PM
I'd say anarchy is the best 262 stick currently. Flametux is a pretty decent pilot(I wouldn't consider him elite) but I haven't seen anyone who has been as proficient with the yak9t's cannon than him. Biggamer is the best F6F stick I've run into(him and Alpha81 are a very effective wing pair).
Its funny that Skyyrs says that, because I was just thinking the other night "there's no one who's really exceptional in the Yak3" Best Yak3 stick I can think of(whom Ive fought) is Gp5, but he really isn't anywhere near dominant. Orelle is the only decent Yak9U pilot I've come across, but he isn't aggressive enough to put the fear of god into me when I know he's in the area. I haven't run into Kruel and his Yak3 yet, but If he flies it half as well as he flies that LA7, than I can see skyyrs point.
Yak3 - Chanzz
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 10, 2015, 01:08:39 AM
He was also pretty good in the Yak9, always put up a very good fight.
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Post by: JVboob on April 10, 2015, 01:55:23 AM
cobias A20 could possibly be beaten by YODAs A20 if anyone remembers him. Betty use to be good in the typhie. 49Hack is dang good in the 152 Dolby in the 109F Tongs is always a fun hard fight in his 61 Fester is great in a 47 D-11
I like to think im towards the top in 38s ive had some awsome fights with several of the people listed in their rides vs my 38L im no where near as good as AKAK Deli Soulyss Silat (where ever he dissappeared to) or Lazer or twinbooms. 49Dingo is outstanding in a spit great in everything but he isnt on very often 49Devil as well.
I wanna start doing some ladder stuff now lol
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Post by: Changeup on April 10, 2015, 05:03:51 AM
cobias A20 could possibly be beaten by YODAs A20 if anyone remembers him. Betty use to be good in the typhie. 49Hack is dang good in the 152 Dolby in the 109F Tongs is always a fun hard fight in his 61 Fester is great in a 47 D-11
I like to think im towards the top in 38s ive had some awsome fights with several of the people listed in their rides vs my 38L im no where near as good as AKAK Deli Soulyss Silat (where ever he dissappeared to) or Lazer or twinbooms. 49Dingo is outstanding in a spit great in everything but he isnt on very often 49Devil as well.
I wanna start doing some ladder stuff now lol
It's interesting to see the lists because Fester would win 99% of the fights in any of these planes. It's just how he was.
And JB11 in almost all of the birds
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Post by: DmonSlyr on April 10, 2015, 09:46:37 AM
It's interesting to see the lists because Fester would win 99% of the fights in any of these planes. It's just how he was.
And JB11 in almost all of the birds
As long as I've played this game I've never fought fester. I've only had half a fight with kappa until I got picked. Crazy stuff considering they are both in my squad. :headscratch:
As a matter of fact, I've rarely even seen fester in the skies when he flies. Dude is like invisible until he appears right on your 6.
Chanzz is awesome in the Yaks. I actually had a great fight with him in my 109g14 the other night unsuspectingly. He's been flying that thing for years. Always fun to fight a squadie when I have no idea they are flying. :rolleyes:
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Post by: glzsqd on April 10, 2015, 01:51:43 PM
Whats considered a good hit% :headscratch:
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Post by: Someguy63 on April 10, 2015, 05:30:04 PM
8-9 is way above average....if you have a 8-9% hit ratio you are a very good shot.... but then again you could be hunting bombers and that will up your hit%
4% was average during WW2....I think Lusche said that is around average in AH also...5-7 is good...anything above that is very good....if you are hitting double digit you are an awesome shot....if you are hitting in the 20% you are "grizzlike" :rofl :rofl
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Post by: The Fugitive on April 10, 2015, 06:10:22 PM
Average I think is around 2%, so "good" I would think is around 4%, anything over 8% I would think is exceptional.
But this like all the others "stats" can be gamed. Find a set of buffs AFK and you'll have a percentage like nobody would believe.... and well nobody would :devil
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on April 10, 2015, 06:12:54 PM
It kind of depends what you fly I think. In the P47 with 3,400 rounds I just shoot at whatever is 800y in front of me no matter the angle. :lol
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Post by: Lazerr on April 10, 2015, 07:28:19 PM
Hit % has a lot to do what what bullets you are lobbing in my opinion. :cheers:
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Post by: Skyyr on April 10, 2015, 07:46:56 PM
Machine gun rounds usually reflect hit percentage better than cannons. As a rule of thumb, the more damage the round does, the less accurately that ammunition type reflects your hit percentage (typically cannon rounds will produce lower accuracy stats than machine guns, given pilots of equal shooting skill).
Title: Re: Player and plane roster...
Post by: glzsqd on April 10, 2015, 08:04:21 PM
Machine gun rounds usually reflect hit percentage better than cannons. As a rule of thumb, the more damage the round does, the less accurately that ammunition type reflects your hit percentage (typically cannon rounds will produce lower accuracy stats than machine guns, given pilots of equal shooting skill).
Agreed. I notice a significant drop in my % when using German iron. Although I am not as proficient with typical German gun load out as I am with american machine guns.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on April 10, 2015, 09:25:39 PM
Machine gun rounds usually reflect hit percentage better than cannons. As a rule of thumb, the more damage the round does, the less accurately that ammunition type reflects your hit percentage (typically cannon rounds will produce lower accuracy stats than machine guns, given pilots of equal shooting skill).
Yeah, but if you are having a terrible day aiming the 50s, It can be detrimental as you waste hundreds of rounds with only a few hits. In the cannon birds the key is to hit them and kill them on the first pass with a short 1.5 second burst. Most of the time in cannon birds I only shoot 20mm just to make sure those are the bullets I'm hitting the plane with. A good cannon aimer can have a good hit % buy shooting only 3-8 bullets and taking a plane down.
I have a hard time with 50s because they just don't do any damage and I have to shoot a lot of bullets to take the plane down. I see a ton of bullets hitting the plane, but also many bullets are missing. This causes me to have trouble with a good hit % with the 50s
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Post by: Someguy63 on April 10, 2015, 09:39:09 PM
8-9 is way above average....if you have a 8-9% hit ratio you are a very good shot.... but then again you could be hunting bombers and that will up your hit%
4% was average during WW2....I think Lusche said that is around average in AH also...5-7 is good...anything above that is very good....if you are hitting double digit you are an awesome shot....if you are hitting in the 20% you are "grizzlike" :rofl :rofl
Machine gun rounds usually reflect hit percentage better than cannons. As a rule of thumb, the more damage the round does, the less accurately that ammunition type reflects your hit percentage (typically cannon rounds will produce lower accuracy stats than machine guns, given pilots of equal shooting skill).
Very true. However I dont think this will be true when someone is using a bird that has cannons as a primary armament, and these cannons are like 50 cals in terms of ballistics....for example the Typhoon and Tempest?
Yeah, but if you are having a terrible day aiming the 50s, It can be detrimental as you waste hundreds of rounds with only a few hits. In the cannon birds the key is to hit them and kill them on the first pass with a short 1.5 second burst. Most of the time in cannon birds I only shoot 20mm just to make sure those are the bullets I'm hitting the plane with. A good cannon aimer can have a good hit % buy shooting only 3-8 bullets and taking a plane down.
I have a hard time with 50s because they just don't do any damage and I have to shoot a lot of bullets to take the plane down. I see a ton of bullets hitting the plane, but also many bullets are missing. This causes me to have trouble with a good hit % with the 50s
This is also true, shooting 50's is better for measuring a person's actual ability depending on the situation, for 50's you can shoot alot and have most hit, or sometimes shoot alot and have most hit.
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Post by: Changeup on April 10, 2015, 10:12:52 PM
Machine gun rounds usually reflect hit percentage better than cannons. As a rule of thumb, the more damage the round does, the less accurately that ammunition type reflects your hit percentage (typically cannon rounds will produce lower accuracy stats than machine guns, given pilots of equal shooting skill).
You would have a tough time convincing someone that Grizz (.28), Fester (.265+) and Kappa (.22+) were shooting non-cannon birds. In fact Grizz flew the K4 mostly but it was always a tater plane and Fester preferred the same. I'm sure Kappa will come along shortly to correct any statements I make falsely on his behalf but I believe he's a German iron guy 50%+ of the time. Of course this is all verifiable in the stats area.
You can look at it the other way: Cannon rounds produce a higher rate of statistical accuracy because when they hit they do much more damage. No need to hold the trigger down as with .50s because they take more rounds to do the same damage (accelerating your opportunity for miss%)as cannons. A great example is 2cmex. Cannon guy all the way and his hit % suffered when he spent a few months in the 38J and K4 but when he plays regularly, he's easily in the .13+ and has been for years.
I'd love to see Lusche compare the cannon guys vs. the non-cannon guys. I bet its not very close.
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Post by: JOACH1M on April 10, 2015, 11:03:43 PM
I looked back a couple years and I was hitting 20% with an average of 700-1000 kills a month. I can't dream of pulling numbers off like this anymore.
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Post by: Someguy63 on April 10, 2015, 11:43:18 PM
I don't understand how anyone could ever get a number so high anyway.
Kills or Hit%?
Both reflected how how "The Few DFC" in conjunction with "The Few" worked. I have screen shots of 15 of us and we all landed more than 5kills, some were more than 10. Playing "rope a dope" was the name of the game. Just a continues circle of someone pulling s couple guys straight up to be killed. Short quick accurate bursts made it most effective.
I miss the old days sometimes. :/
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Post by: Someguy63 on April 11, 2015, 12:01:40 AM
Both reflected how how "The Few DFC" in conjunction with "The Few" worked. I have screen shots of 15 of us and we all landed more than 5kills, some were more than 10. Playing "rope a dope" was the name of the game. Just a continues circle of someone pulling s couple guys straight up to be killed. Short quick accurate bursts made it most effective.
I miss the old days sometimes. :/
I would say hit%. I can get maybe 500-600 kills a month but during those times when more people played I could see people getting more kills. But hit% that's what I don't see how anyone could just do it.
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Post by: JOACH1M on April 11, 2015, 12:13:58 AM
I would say hit%. I can get maybe 500-600 kills a month but during those times when more people played I could see people getting more kills. But hit% that's what I don't see how anyone could just do it.
If you out the hours in a month that i used to you could do it. :)
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Post by: Skyyr on April 11, 2015, 12:29:37 AM
You would have a tough time convincing someone that Grizz (.28), Fester (.265+) and Kappa (.22+) were shooting non-cannon birds. In fact Grizz flew the K4 mostly but it was always a tater plane and Fester preferred the same. I'm sure Kappa will come along shortly to correct any statements I make falsely on his behalf but I believe he's a German iron guy 50%+ of the time. Of course this is all verifiable in the stats area.
You can look at it the other way: Cannon rounds produce a higher rate of statistical accuracy because when they hit they do much more damage. No need to hold the trigger down as with .50s because they take more rounds to do the same damage (accelerating your opportunity for miss%)as cannons. A great example is 2cmex. Cannon guy all the way and his hit % suffered when he spent a few months in the 38J and K4 but when he plays regularly, he's easily in the .13+ and has been for years.
I'd love to see Lusche compare the cannon guys vs. the non-cannon guys. I bet its not very close.
You're comparing pilot skill of pilots who are proficient with cannons. Unless a pilot has 100% accuracy, cannons result in inherently lower accuracy due to the absolute ratio of misses vs maximum hits that an aircraft can take before it's down.
Put another way, pilots with the same level of accuracy will typically find gun solutions within the same timeframe, regardless of whether or not they're using cannons or machine guns. This always results in some small level of missing. However, since cannons do more damage, they hit the target less once the guns are "on target" because the target simply can't absorb as many cannon rounds as it can machine gun rounds before it goes down. Therefore, you end up with a lower ratio of hits to misses with cannons, given the same pilot skill. It's really just simple mathematics.
This doesn't account for someone who's better with shooting one ammo type over another, but that's not really the discussion.
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Post by: Someguy63 on April 11, 2015, 01:00:09 AM
If you out the hours in a month that i used to you could do it. :)
:D
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Post by: JunkyII on April 11, 2015, 01:02:32 AM
A person shooting 303s is going to have a better hit percentage then a person shooting Tators......person shooting 303s is probably going to have a terrible K/D though :aok
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Post by: Arlo on April 11, 2015, 01:09:55 AM
A person shooting 303s is going to have a better hit percentage then a person shooting Tators......person shooting 303s is probably going to have a terrible K/D though :aok
It's really just simple mathematics. :D
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Post by: ink on April 11, 2015, 01:55:30 AM
A person shooting 303s is going to have a better hit percentage then a person shooting Tators......person shooting 303s is probably going to have a terrible K/D though :aok
not necessarily.... :aok
if he has crappy aim his hit% will suck ;)
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Post by: Bruv119 on April 11, 2015, 03:07:02 AM
lets not forget buff killing transforms any hit %, people like Lusche would even sacrifice KPH :eek: for some juicy buff kills, many more rounds fired, many more hitting causing damage.
Anyone who can get >15% on purely fighters I'll tip my hat to. 50 cal is best for it IMO.
Of course excellent shooting is all about patience, discipline and the force.
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Post by: klingan on April 11, 2015, 08:12:27 AM
I am bait. And I am good at it :cheers:
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Post by: Lusche on April 13, 2015, 03:02:25 AM
lets not forget buff killing transforms any hit %, people like Lusche would even sacrifice KPH :eek: for some juicy buff kills,
High alt buff hunting has it's price. And by the way, score wise the increased hit % doesn't make up for the loss off k/h when you are going after 30k+ bombers ;)
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As noted before, on an individual level your hit% can be influenced significantly (to a certain point*) by choice of weapons and targets. But it has also to be noted that simply chosing a 30mm tater tosser or a 0.50cal lazer doesn't make your hit % good or bad... it's what you are doing with.
If you are using the mk 108 for dogfighting and the 0.50 for hunting bombers, your hit% will be significantly higher than if you were using the 0.50 for dogfighting and the MK 108 for buff killing. A result of 'volume of fire' and individual hit probablilities. ALso cannon birds increase your hit% when vulching, as the splash damage registers as "hit" even at near misses.
That being said, the distribution of hit% is being quite stable on the arena level. In last tour, it was about this:
(sample: all pilots with at least 10 sorties in fighter mode)
The median hit% was 3.55 (means 50% of all pilots were below and 50% were above that line) 20.6% had a hit% of 4 or better 9.3% had a hit% of 6 or better 4.2% had a hit% of 8 or better 2.0% had a hit% of 10 or better
*) everything has it's limits. A bad (or even just 'average') shot won't get 20% hit percentage even when shooting at bombers. As a frequent buff flyer myself I see loads of fighters almost entirely missing my bombers from D600 while wildly spraying their lead all over my formation. They maybe get 5% hits where a good, disciplined shooter would land 20%-40%
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Post by: Ack-Ack on April 13, 2015, 12:45:04 PM
I have a hard time with 50s because they just don't do any damage and I have to shoot a lot of bullets to take the plane down. I see a ton of bullets hitting the plane, but also many bullets are missing. This causes me to have trouble with a good hit % with the 50s
If you're having troubles shooting a plane down using .50 calibers, the problem is that you're not hitting at the convergence point. It's a pure myth that the .50 caliber machine guns on planes don't do any damage.
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Post by: glzsqd on April 13, 2015, 02:01:23 PM
Machine guns are about volume.
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Post by: Lusche on April 13, 2015, 02:08:45 PM
I use the P-51B with its 4x0.50 mostly to hunt heavy bombers with great success, so they can't be that bad :old:
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Post by: JunkyII on April 13, 2015, 02:30:36 PM
I use the P-51B with its 4x0.50 mostly to hunt heavy bombers with great success, so they can't be that bad :old:
I have been flying it a bit as well, the only time I have problems dropping a plane with 4 50s I would likely have the same problem with any gun(the bigger gun may damage more, but it's still harder to aim it)
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Post by: killnu on April 13, 2015, 08:26:04 PM
want a high hit percentage...fly a 202 for month....some of my best hit percentages were due to that thing. have to be close and land some rounds to get a kill.
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Post by: DmonSlyr on April 13, 2015, 08:37:34 PM
It simply just takes me 1 or 2 more passes to take a plane down if I don't get at least a 1 second sprey on them. If I only have small burst moments of shooting, I generally don't do enough damage each pass to take them down all at one time. It's difficult to fix the convergence for me because I shoot at all distances.