If there was ever a time for a Zach1234 :old: "It's an outrage", it is now.
:old: It's an outrage.
From 150k to 500k signers to the Petition to the BBS to bring him back in less than 8 hours. A small bit of traction. I wonder if it'll have any effect on the execs at the BBC. It's only the most popular TV show in the entire world and all. I've also wondered how close Clarkson and the other hosts James May and Richard Hammond are. I strike threat from May and Hammond would = BBC held by the short and curlies IMO. This will be interesting either way.
Clarkson for PM!
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on March 12, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
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Post by: Ratsy on March 12, 2015, 03:16:38 PM
BBC is making it sound like he took a poke at a producer. If so, he'd be toast here in the US. At least in the UK they might trouble themselves to find out if he was provoked or not.
Moist Leaves and Manly Bits, forever!!!
:salute
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Post by: SysError on March 12, 2015, 03:26:49 PM
If there was ever a time for a Zach1234 :old: "It's an outrage", it is now.
:old: It's an outrage.
From 150k to 500k signers to the Petition to the BBS to bring him back in less than 8 hours. A small bit of traction. I wonder if it'll have any effect on the execs at the BBC. It's only the most popular TV show in the entire world and all. I've also wondered how close Clarkson and the other hosts James May and Richard Hammond are. I strike threat from May and Hammond would = BBC held by the short and curlies IMO. This will be interesting either way.
Clarkson for PM!
Hear hear! Hear hear!
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Post by: Swoop on March 12, 2015, 05:55:39 PM
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Post by: DREDIOCK on March 12, 2015, 08:18:21 PM
He is a bit of a character, but those guys have nothing to worry about. ITV or Channel 4 will pick them up in a blink if they had the chance.
I think a lot of channels would. The show is too good and too popular not to air. Its far far FAR better then our American but totally lame knockoff of the show
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Post by: Swoop on March 12, 2015, 11:34:25 PM
they cant move the show itself, the BBC bought the rights to Top Gear from Clarkson in 2012. However, all three of them are out of contract in 3 months time and there's nothing stopping them starting again with a different name for the show. Sky TV has been trying to poach them for years.
The situation is simple: If the BBC sack Clarkson the other two will go with him to another channel and the BBC will be out millions of £s per year. If I was him Id be demanding a pay rise, he's in such a strong position.
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Post by: Scherf on March 13, 2015, 01:47:23 AM
If he genuinely punched a work colleague, he should be gone, no question.
Doubt it'll play out that way though.
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Post by: Swoop on March 13, 2015, 07:16:06 AM
Apparently he's very relaxed about the enquiry and is positive he'll be fine......which means either he didn't punch anyone or he was provoked enough to warrant it.
Oison Tymon. Quite frankly, he's got the kind of face you want to punch anyway.
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Post by: FBKampfer on March 13, 2015, 10:32:24 AM
Couldn't one consider top gear as just a show about brits pining for the days when their opinions actually matter :evil:?
Lost their grip on the seas, so now they review other people's cars and call them crap :neener:.
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Post by: Mano on March 13, 2015, 11:18:19 AM
Clarkson is probably a type II diabetic and needs to snack every couple of hours. He also needs to tone it down a bit when he is out in the public.. His insensitive remarks in Argentina got them kicked out of the country. They are lucky the mob did not cause any serious injuries to the crew working for TopGear. As already mentioned in this thread, the three will probably move to a new network but Clarkson's mouth will continue to be a problem. The last two episodes were cancelled. We'll have to wait and see if they are aired at a later date.
<S>
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Post by: Ratsy on March 13, 2015, 01:05:35 PM
Trying to avoid the things that will cause this to end badly.
In a world that is becoming overly sensitive to the opinions of others (political-correctness-gone-mad) we are forgetting that every society needs an outlet for a differing opinion.
All cultures seek this outlet in various forms. In America it is Saturday Night Live, the National Lampoon, Mad Magazine, the Airplane movies...and, with irony to Mano's signature, guys like Will Rogers. It's called satire.
Top Gear, in large measure is a satire of other car-fan programs like Motorweek Illustrated. It satirizes those serious (and often made-of-oatmeal) presenters. May, Hammond, and Clarkson also target, through their own self-assured bumbling, the bailing-wire-and-duct-tape DIY'ers that always make a mess of 'custom work'. Just like - well - me. I'm not offended by that.
We don't know that anybody punched anybody at TopGear. But trying to harness a satirist like Clarkson is the same as gutting the program. It is not a live program. It is produced. If the BBC's producers don't like the content they can cut it or alter it. BBC elects to censure whole episodes? Stupid. We should all just move on.
:salute
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Post by: guncrasher on March 13, 2015, 08:44:17 PM
ratsy the thing is they are in another country and they play by their rules. bbc is also owned by somebody that plays by their own rules. funny thing is here in the usa we have some really dumb rules. for example on some stations you can say the 7 dirty words you arent allowed to say on tv, but if you are one that isnt on cable/satellite only then you arent allowed to say it.
but my main question is who the hell is jeremy clarkson? dont bother dont really care to know, I dont watch scripted reality tv :old: :old: :old: :old:.
semp
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Post by: Swoop on March 13, 2015, 10:04:10 PM
Clarkson is probably a type II diabetic and needs to snack every couple of hours. He also needs to tone it down a bit when he is out in the public.. His insensitive remarks in Argentina got them kicked out of the country. They are lucky the mob did not cause any serious injuries to the crew working for TopGear. As already mentioned in this thread, the three will probably move to a new network but Clarkson's mouth will continue to be a problem. The last two episodes were cancelled. We'll have to wait and see if they are aired at a later date.
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What insensitive remarks?
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Post by: Petrol on March 13, 2015, 10:47:45 PM
The format of the show is a winner. Even if Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi fronted it.
Clarkson. He writes for the Sun and was educated at boarding school, 'nuff said.
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Post by: Ratsy on March 13, 2015, 11:15:41 PM
Semp! You're :old:! But probably younger than me! Really :old:.
:salute
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Post by: Mano on March 14, 2015, 03:18:11 AM
Swoop When Clarkson was in Argentina he brought up the Falklands/Malvinas. He shoulda left it alone while he was in their country. When you travel abroad you do not make remarks to offend the locals. That's common sense. The police escorted them to Chilean Border. There could have been some serious violence.
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 14, 2015, 06:29:38 AM
Swoop When Clarkson was in Argentina he brought up the Falklands/Malvinas. He shoulda left it alone while he was in their country. When you travel abroad you do not make remarks to offend the locals. That's common sense. The police escorted them to Chilean Border. There could have been some serious violence.
That was probably scripted and fully intentional.
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Post by: palef on March 14, 2015, 06:37:58 AM
None of you guys seem to either watch Top Gear or have followed Argentina Story nor do you have a clue that the presenters aren't friends off set and that no one punched anyone in this alleged Incident. Top Gear isn't satire. It's an entertainment series with a focus on cars. It's a very good hour in front of the telly. I've yet to hear what comments Clarkson made in Argentina. The crap was generated by the license plate on the 928 Clarkson was driving.
All of which goes to prove that there isn't a bigger bunch of roadkillters than virtual fighter pileits to make something out of nothing.
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Post by: Swoop on March 14, 2015, 06:52:57 AM
Swoop When Clarkson was in Argentina he brought up the Falklands/Malvinas. He shoulda left it alone while he was in their country. When you travel abroad you do not make remarks to offend the locals. That's common sense. The police escorted them to Chilean Border. There could have been some serious violence.
Show me how he brought it up. What did he say? What did he personally do to inflame the Argies?
Cos the simple fact is he didn't say anything.
The numberplate caused the issue and it was removed from the car before they entered Argentina.
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 14, 2015, 07:11:51 AM
This is about as productive as discussing about the Kardashians show and what are their motives for doing stuff.
All the drama is planned and scripted.
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Post by: Ratsy on March 14, 2015, 09:19:04 AM
This is about as productive as discussing about the Kardashians show and what are their motives for doing stuff.
All the drama is planned and scripted.
Yerright x 2. :salute
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Post by: rpm on March 14, 2015, 05:03:27 PM
The Kardashians have a show? I must be livin' right. Never seen it.
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Post by: Scherf on March 14, 2015, 05:26:32 PM
Even if some of this (don't believe everything you read in the papers) is true, Clarkson should be gone, as should anyone who behaves in a similar manner:
Jeremy Clarkson punched his Top Gear producer Oisin Tymon in the face following a 40-minute rant ...
A guest at the hotel where the BBC team were staying said Clarkson was furious to find that there was no hot meal available when he and his co-presenters James May and Richard Hammond returned from a drinking session at a nearby pub....
Another source said that Clarkson called Tymon, 36, a “lazy Irish c***” before splitting his lip with a punch that left him with blood running down his face.
Tymon is understood to have received treatment at the A&E department at Friarage Hospital, in Northallerton...
It is understood that Clarkson will firmly deny either using xenophobic language or punching Tymon when he appears before the BBC inquiry being conducted by the head of BBC Scotland, Ken MacQuarrie.
It has been reported that he raised the incident himself with senior BBC managers after meeting with the Top Gear crew to apologise for his outburst...
Seriously, getting drunk and verbally abusing work colleagues, in a public place, is grounds to be gone before your feet touch the ground. Leave aside any vilification or violence.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on March 14, 2015, 06:29:19 PM
Drunk Briton comes back to the hotel behaving like a dick??? Who woudda thunk it!
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Post by: Scherf on March 14, 2015, 06:49:34 PM
Heheheh, too true.
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Post by: KgB on March 14, 2015, 07:37:08 PM
See Rules #4, #6
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 14, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
Oh wait. Maybe I was thinking of a different federated union...
Simply because you confused. Loving one country doesnt mean hating the other.
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Post by: KgB on March 14, 2015, 10:55:16 PM
See Rule #4
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on March 14, 2015, 11:32:23 PM
See Rule #4
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Post by: Swoop on March 14, 2015, 11:42:51 PM
oh kgb, you are so on the wrong bbs. They'd love you on the 'other' forum...
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Post by: bozon on March 15, 2015, 01:09:28 AM
Publicity stunt. Whether intentional or not, the show will go back on the air with even higher ratings due to this incident and the buzz it created
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Post by: olds442 on March 15, 2015, 11:12:45 AM
I honestly think people are just over sensitive these days. So what if he makes fun of the US? he also makes fun of every other country, mostly the UK.
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Post by: SysError on March 19, 2015, 05:26:47 PM
What, if anything, are the bookies in England doing about this?
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Post by: KgB on March 22, 2015, 05:17:16 PM
See Rule #4
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Post by: danny76 on March 23, 2015, 01:44:21 AM
I don't have the slightest issue about insensitive remarks against the Argentinians, however just because he hosts a popular show does not give him the right to behave like a petulant child in a school yard. If I slapped my gaffer I would be out of a job instantaneously and brought up on criminal charges, he was a prat and lucky not to find himself before a beak.
As for the low life scum making death threats to the producer for getting punched!!!!! They are all in dire need of being dragged out into the street and shot :old:
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 23, 2015, 07:33:29 AM
Nothing which was conducive to maintaining a respectful discussion.
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Post by: FLOOB on March 23, 2015, 03:36:04 PM
I think top gear uk is awesome and I'm not english or even british, I'm an american.
If nothing else can be said for that program, it sorts those who have a sense of humor from those who don't.
Of course there are those who are going to say, "if I punched a coworker I'd be canned", yeah, well you don't work on Top Gear. There are professional collaborations in which a physical altercation is forgettable and dismissable. Think of the many great ensembles we'd never have heard of if they were dismantled the first time thing went drunken fistycuffs.
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Post by: jeep00 on March 23, 2015, 06:02:44 PM
I think top gear uk is awesome and I'm not english or even british, I'm an american.
If nothing else can be said for that program, it sorts those who have a sense of humor from those who don't.
Of course there are those who are going to say, "if I punched a coworker I'd be canned", yeah, well you don't work on Top Gear. There are professional collaborations in which a physical altercation is forgettable and dismissable. Think of the many great ensembles we'd never have heard of if they were dismantled the first time thing went drunken fistycuffs.
This. You can't fake being the way he is, the way they are. You are effectively paying them to be irreverent and in some cases irresponsible and incorrigable (mangled it quite likely) so when they are just that, you can't really effectively punish it especially in this case where, as has been pointed out, producers in part decide what gets to the air. It makes them money, and lots of it. Will it end quietly away from prying eyes? Quite likely. But we will have to see. I would hate to see it go because they are hilarious and factually helpful in what they do, and if they end it or move it off BBC, we probably won't see the like again here in the US where people could make diamonds from charcoal dust between their cheeks because they are so uptight. Additionally, I can watch Motorweek or any of the car shows here and see the same thing on every one as with the magazines. No originality, nothing to upset potential sponsors, nothing that really helps when you need it most-behind the wheel.
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Post by: SysError on March 23, 2015, 06:36:07 PM
...Of course there are those who are going to say, "if I punched a coworker I'd be canned", ...
Unless you work in a one person shop (and I guess you punched yourself Fight Club style), yep you are going get fired. If you do not get fired, you are working for a company with a very short future.
And I like Top Gear.
So are you saying that our expectations of what should happen should somehow be based on a Nielsen ratings scale?
I hope that the BBC does not fire him, but I think that if they made him stand in Speakers Corner every Sunday for a month with a full a body sign saying "Sometimes I am an idiot" I'd be OK with that.
(http://i58.tinypic.com/30dfezb.jpg)
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Post by: Mano on March 24, 2015, 06:34:01 PM
Piers Morgan and Jeremy Clarkson made up officially :D. BBC will decide this week to continue with Clarkson as one of the hosts.
:neener:
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Post by: Gman on March 24, 2015, 07:41:51 PM
I'd agree with you Danny, but don't know what a Gaffer, Prat, or Beak is. ;)
I think if the BBC decides this was the final straw with Clarkson, they'll seriously regret it. IMO they'll lose the show, these three "chaps" (that's British for fellows, gents, guys, etc) are pretty loyal to one another from what I've read, and if they all pulled the plug and walked if Clarkson is canned, it wouldn't be shocking to anyone. Off to another network, or perhaps even the greatest TV producing country in the world. It sort of fits, the most popular show on the planet, being run out of Hollywood.
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Post by: SysError on March 24, 2015, 08:16:18 PM
I'd agree with you Danny, but don't know what a Gaffer, Prat, or Beak is. ;)
Boss, idiot, judge. In that order.
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Post by: Swoop on March 25, 2015, 12:24:21 AM
Skuttlebutt says thats the head honcho at the Beeb is going to sack Clarkson, purely because he has no option. The inquiry has found that Clarkson verbally abused a junior member of staff for 20 minutes and then engaged in a physical assault lasting 30 seconds. There is no option but to sack him.
The BBC is in talks with Chris Evans to take over Top Gear.....which might actually be an acceptable alternative, however, there's no indication of what Hammond and May have decided.
Clarkson is said to be in talks with Netflix.
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Post by: FLOOB on March 25, 2015, 02:09:15 AM
Yahoo Screen should scoop em up.
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Post by: Gman on March 25, 2015, 08:46:10 AM
Quote
Clarkson is said to be in talks with Netflix.
Heh, I predicted that one in my first post here. I had heard that the entire group was in fact being courted by Netflix, who has the horsepower, and has proven they can make quality content as good as anyone else. The international nature of Netflix, as well as the international nature of Top Gear - pretty good fit IMO. Plus they stream Top Gear already, and it's one of their highest performing programs next to the 5 Star Trek TV series and Stargate/Atlantis. A new show would scoop those ratings and viewers right up. I for one hope that happens, IF the BBS has "no choice" but to "sack" (I assume that means fire) Clarkson.
There is always a choice. People do all kinds of stupid things, especially when drunk, and Clarkson is known for this already, it's part of his allure to audiences. The person he struck obviously didn't think it as big a deal, as he didn't even care to report it (the media has assumed this was to protect his own job, however he has remained silent himself). To throw away a show that isn't "just" a show, but an international institution, over such a minor incident is crazy. I don't understand how people are calling for Clarkson's head over such a minor fracas.
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Post by: Lusche on March 25, 2015, 09:20:39 AM
To throw away a show that isn't "just" a show, but an international institution, over such a minor incident is crazy. I don't understand how people are calling for Clarkson's head over such a minor fracas.
Any 'ordinary ' employe in any regular company would be gone instantly if the incident happened at described. Insulting a coworker and punching him is not minor at all. IMHO the BBC had no choice in this matter (again, if the things happened like that, I din't follow this incident very closely).
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Post by: Swoop on March 25, 2015, 09:27:11 AM
The Beeb have issued a statement saying Clarksons contract will not be renewed. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32052736)
And Chris Evans has stated on his radio show that him taking over Top Gear "Isn't going to happen."
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Post by: wpeters on March 25, 2015, 09:28:16 AM
The Beeb have issued a statement saying Clarksons contract will not be renewed. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32052736)
And Chris Evans has stated on his radio show that him taking over Top Gear "Isn't going to happen."
Can just said it also. A big shame
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Post by: Swoop on March 25, 2015, 09:36:58 AM
The weird thing is that Clarkson is still booked to present the BBC1 celebrity quiz show 'Have I Got News for You' on the 23rd of April. Technically, he's still in contract til the end of the month.
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Post by: Gman on March 25, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
Just caught it on the radio myself.
However anyone feels about about situation leading up to it, it's a shame Clarkson is gone. I wonder if Top Gear will ever see the light of day again. I bet Clarkson regrets selling his equal share of the rights to for the show to the BBC a few years ago now. If the 3 hosts go someplace else, would they not have to rename the show, or would the BBC possibly sell that to a new channel?
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 25, 2015, 10:24:38 AM
The Beeb have issued a statement saying Clarksons contract will not be renewed. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-32052736)
And Chris Evans has stated on his radio show that him taking over Top Gear "Isn't going to happen."
I'm going to send hate mail to BBC and stop watching Top Gear.
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Post by: FLOOB on March 25, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Carkson was undoubtedly the spokesperson of the cast and crew. When the crew needed a voice to be heard by management the obvious choice would be Clarkson. His people put in a hard days work and weren't getting a decent meal, that made Jeremy angry, and he vented that anger on whom the responsibility lie. Had those who were responsible for holding up their end of the bargain with the cast and crew been made of the same stuff as Jeremy Clarkson the crew would have gotten a decent meal. A lot of people get fired for a lot of things, but as far as reason for getting fired go it's hard, for me at least, to recall a more admirable reason for someone getting fired.
The press has always sprayed a lot of venom Clarkson's way but when Piers Morgan drug a lady friend of Clarkson into it by publishing photos of her, Jeremy broke a finger on Morgan's head. In a bygone (unfortunately) time this could be seen as being a gentleman. You see the pattern here? Yes he's thrown blows, on behalf of a responsibility to friends and the people in his charge.
It's a sad analogy really of what's become of Britain, where the like of Clarkson are vilified. We all know, if we're honest with ourselves, if the leaders of Britain were cast of the same mettle as Jeremy Clarkson it would be a better place with a brighter future.
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Post by: Gman on March 25, 2015, 11:19:12 AM
^^ Agreed ^^
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on March 25, 2015, 11:39:16 AM
Any 'ordinary ' employe in any regular company would be gone instantly if the incident happened at described. Insulting a coworker and punching him is not minor at all. IMHO the BBC had no choice in this matter (again, if the things happened like that, I din't follow this incident very closely).
Clarkson is not an "ordinary" employee. He's a major cash cow for the BBC. If the BBC was a regular company they would have no legal or moral obligation to fire Clarkson and he would be pampered beyond belief. The producer would have been fired.
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Post by: FLOOB on March 25, 2015, 11:44:28 AM
So are you saying that our expectations of what should happen should somehow be based on a Nielsen ratings scale?
(http://i58.tinypic.com/30dfezb.jpg)
I'm saying who are they really punishing by effectively ending the show? Clarkson? Please. He and his offspring are set for life. The real losers are the fans of the most popular program in history. Look, Clarkson has said some distasteful and very regrettable things on the show, calling someone a slope, using the N-word in a rhyme, etc. Which brings us to an interesting point, that is, someone way higher up than Clarkson decided to air those things in broadcast when those shots could have been easily edited out. Yet when he does something, which I believe I've already made clear that I find admirable, they decide to give him the axe. And who of us and even our role models haven't said ugly regretable things? Clarkson is one of us. He's a regular guy with honest working values. And the next time a beauracrat, politcian or suit in management screws over the working guy and you think of how gratifying it would be to punch him in the mouth. Remember there was one man who really did that.
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Post by: SysError on March 25, 2015, 01:25:53 PM
Please do not try to make a hero out of the guy.
The BBC should have punished him. They should have given him the option of bringing about a public shame to his actions. They didn't. They did to him what would have happened to all of us if we had done what he had done.
He is not a regular guy.
He is not like us.
Publicly funded organizations, (which he regularly ridiculed), are not the WWF.
He was a great presenter for the show, usually funny, but he went too far again and again and again.
I would have never had been given the number of chances that he got.
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on March 25, 2015, 02:20:58 PM
The BBC should have punished him. They should have given him the option of bringing about a public shame to his actions. They didn't. They did to him what would have happened to all of us if we had done what he had done.
He is not a regular guy.
He is not like us.
Publicly funded organizations, (which he regularly ridiculed), are not the WWF.
He was a great presenter for the show, usually funny, but he went too far again and again and again.
I would have never had been given the number of chances that he got.
Top Gear is not a live show so Clarkson can never go too far as others pointed out. Producers decided to leave everything in that now raises controversy. Probably as a calculated decision.
Probably the three raised their salary requests too high for the future seasons so now they got the axe on the first excuse.
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Post by: Scherf on March 25, 2015, 02:54:41 PM
I thought the eeny-meeny thing didn't go to air.
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Post by: Swoop on March 25, 2015, 05:57:57 PM
It didn't.
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Post by: SysError on March 25, 2015, 06:01:16 PM
Heard that the police have been involved. Most of our information here is filtered. Guys in UK, do you know what is going on?
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Post by: Swoop on March 25, 2015, 06:18:15 PM
All we know is that North Yorkshire police (the county the assault was committed in) are 'liaising with the BBC regarding the findings of their enquiry'.
Which means Plod is sticking their noses in where they're not required as usual cos it'd be an easy, quick arrest.
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Post by: Gman on March 25, 2015, 06:36:53 PM
Swoop, what is the law in the UK on assaults? I know in some situations and areas of the USA, the person assaulted has to WANT to press charges. I do know in Canada, that there are situations where if L/E decides they want to charge you (often in domestic violence cases), they will do so even if the wife is pleading with them not to.
Could the police there charge Clarkson even if that producer didn't with them to? From what's been said, he wasn't happy about it going public, and never wished to inform the BBC, and it was Clarkson who did so, no doubt because so many saw it, and he knew it was going to get out, but I believe he probably did so for "doing the right thing" reasons as well. It seems pretty clear though the victim didn't want to make trouble for Clarkson, he certainly hasn't gone to the cops himself I would wager, as if he did and pressed charges, Clarkson would have been arrested already, wouldn't he? Again, not sure how that works in the UK.
Such a shame, now so many people, like the victim, will lose their jobs at Top Gear.
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: SysError on March 25, 2015, 06:44:29 PM
Such a shame, now so many people, like the victim, will lose their jobs at Top Gear.
Maybe. My first thought was that the loss of revenue would mean that Swoop's license fee is going to go up next year.
What do you guys pay now?
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on March 25, 2015, 07:18:03 PM
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: Gman on March 25, 2015, 09:09:15 PM
A few things from that, I saw it earlier on another site as well -
May is a class act, always has been. He's also strongly suggesting he is loyal to his partners, Clarkson and Hammond. The Netflix rumors are flying all over the net it seems. Regardless if they go there, I think it's safe to say many, many networks will be in contention to rapidly develop a new show. It's a shame though if they leave the UK, I say that not being from there, but part of the allure for me is getting that British angle, their humor, sayings, and just general way of looking at things, is well represented through the 3 hosts IMO.
So, I hope they stay based in the UK, hope they can find a new "track", and hope they can keep "The Stig" and that the rights to "him" aren't owned along with the "Top Gear" name and property.
Also, I said earlier that IMO it didn't seem like a big deal, not enough to warrant a huge investigation. Perhaps that's just my experience, and I'm a bit desensitized to a minor scrap, I've worked in some jobs where violence is commonplace, between both customers and on occasion co workers. I can understand the office world would consider this a big tabboo, but frankly, the "victim" didn't seem very concerned to the point of not reporting it, and May just said, being a witness, that it wasn't a very big incident in his opinion. He's always struck me as an honest, tell it like it is sort of gent.
The reaction I'm reading around the net about May's clip there, is that people just want to see MORE episodes of the 3 hosts collaborating together. I'm in complete agreement, that was a bit of genious from May there IMO, elegantly defending Jeremy while making it clear who and what Clarkson is. I think that they'll be working together again, sooner than later.
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: Swoop on March 26, 2015, 12:00:30 AM
Don't quote me on this cos I'm not absolutely sure but I think the victim does not have to press any charges, the police will do that all of their own accord. However, it's got a lot to do with the severity of the crime and viability of the witness. There are levels of assault ranging from common assault, actual bodily harm, grievous bodily harm, etc, etc. If the victim was left in a coma and the witness(es) identify the aggressor then certainly the forthcoming charge of GBH will not need the victim to press charges. In most cases of assault, the victim is the only witness and if he/she doesn't want to press charges then they'll just refuse to give a statement, therefore no evidence, therefore no charges. There'd still be an arrest though cos no copper would ever give up a chance at another arrest on the record.
In this case, the evidence the police have will be the written report of the investigation by the BBC. Therefore, they don't really need the victim to press charges cos they've already got his statement.
My first thought was that the loss of revenue would mean that Swoop's license fee is going to go up next year.
What do you guys pay now?
No idea, I haven't paid the licence fee in years. There's a loophole, if you don't watch TV when it's broadcast then it's classed as recorded programming, for which no licence fee is needed. It's not a licence to have a TV, it's a licence to receive broadcast programming. The BBC reeeeeally shot themselves in the foot introducing BBC iPlayer...
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: saggs on March 26, 2015, 12:25:34 AM
So I just read the news story with a bit more detail on the whole incident. Taken as is, without any context is sure seems like Clarkson was way out of line. But who knows if we will ever get all the backstory, history and context of the situation between them... would that context make one way or another difference? Maybe. Would I be pissed if I was promised a decent hot meal at the end of a hard days work, and received cold cuts instead? Absolutely. Would I punch out a guy over it? No... unless there was some more history leading up to it.
The one thing that did stand out to me though. The producers injuries consisted of 1) a fat/split lip, 2) no two, that's it... just a fat lip, and for that he went to the hospital :headscratch: Does he call an ambulance if he stubs his toe? Heaven forbid he burns his hand on the stove, that must warrant calling in the helicopter. Such a huge overeaction on his part makes me wonder if there's more to the story.
Still, any guy who takes some puff out of Piers Morgan scores points in my book.
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: danny76 on March 26, 2015, 03:08:45 AM
Swoop, what is the law in the UK on assaults? I know in some situations and areas of the USA, the person assaulted has to WANT to press charges. I do know in Canada, that there are situations where if L/E decides they want to charge you (often in domestic violence cases), they will do so even if the wife is pleading with them not to.
Could the police there charge Clarkson even if that producer didn't with them to? From what's been said, he wasn't happy about it going public, and never wished to inform the BBC, and it was Clarkson who did so, no doubt because so many saw it, and he knew it was going to get out, but I believe he probably did so for "doing the right thing" reasons as well. It seems pretty clear though the victim didn't want to make trouble for Clarkson, he certainly hasn't gone to the cops himself I would wager, as if he did and pressed charges, Clarkson would have been arrested already, wouldn't he? Again, not sure how that works in the UK.
Such a shame, now so many people, like the victim, will lose their jobs at Top Gear.
The victim doesn't need to press charges, the offence still stands, in this case probably exceed common assault due to the split lip (an interruption in the continuation of the skin) would ordinarily be charged as ABH but may get knocked down to common assault by CPS because they are toothless. Would almost certainly result in a caution depending on his previous record.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on March 26, 2015, 03:28:39 AM
Must be hard on the BDSM community in the UK.
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: Scherf on March 26, 2015, 04:11:58 AM
Doesn't mean there isn't a victim. Just that their consent to charge is not required. BDSM implies consent from participants, without consent it is assault
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: shppr01 on March 26, 2015, 03:39:18 PM
I don't think it matters much now. As of yesterday,BBC just fired Jeremy Clarkson. Sadly the other two went with him out of loyalty. Imo, James and Richard were the better ones..
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: SysError on March 26, 2015, 04:58:23 PM
So what are you guys doing over there in England? Are you guys killing off all of your popular TV shows?
Of course. We only like "reality TV" as a rule, along with Jeremy Kyle and online bingo. Also our women enjoy getting morbidly lardarsed on Greggs pasties and then going to buy lottery scratchards and cheap high strength white cider wearing worn out Pyjama's :bhead
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: glzsqd on March 27, 2015, 09:39:20 AM
$10 TopGear UK comes to US. We seem to be more tolerant of Racist belligerent TV personalities :x
I know I am
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: shppr01 on March 27, 2015, 05:08:43 PM
We already have a US version of Top Gear. Not as good , but entertaining none the less.
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: cpxxx on March 27, 2015, 08:41:52 PM
It's really annoying, while frankly I really enjoy Top Gear and I can take Clarkson in small doses, unfortunately he went too far. I think Mr Tymon effed up and having worked on various movie and TV stuff. I too would be pissed off if I didn't get a decent meal at the end of a day. Bear in mind that it wasn't just Clarkson who was inconvenienced.
Tymon deserved a world class bollocking. But not a punch in the mouth.
It all went too far and my mine and many others favourite Sunday night magazine program is gone.
Dammit all!
But we haven't seen the last of them. Both James May and Clarkson have a future of interesting programmes and Hammond can do Saturday night and kids crap forever.
Frankly it's time you bloody Americans got your act together and put together something better than the current version of your TG.
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Post by: FLOOB on March 27, 2015, 11:25:18 PM
Of course. We only like "reality TV" as a rule, along with Jeremy Kyle and online bingo. Also our women enjoy getting morbidly lardarsed on Greggs pasties and then going to buy lottery scratchards and cheap high strength white cider wearing worn out Pyjama's :bhead
You cancel Doctor Who and there will be riots.
Everywhere.
Title: Re: BBC Suspends Jeremy Clarkson. Again.
Post by: Mano on May 28, 2015, 03:23:16 PM
Of course. We only like "reality TV" as a rule, along with Jeremy Kyle and online bingo. Also our women enjoy getting morbidly lardarsed on Greggs pasties and then going to buy lottery scratchards and cheap high strength white cider wearing worn out Pyjama's :bhead