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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: earl1937 on March 20, 2015, 10:17:11 AM
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:airplane: When a country wins a "map", or the war, the winning country gets bonus perk points as I understand it! Does every player on that country which won the war get bonus points or just the ones on line when it is won????
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Just people online. The only exception is a player that has been on that country less than 12 hours I believe.
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If a player hasn't been flying with the country for less than 12 hours, they don't get the perks.
If a player has been online within the last 12 hours, they get the perks whether they are still on or not.
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If a player has been online within the last 12 hours, they get the perks whether they are still on or not.
It used to be that way long time ago, but for some odd reason it doesn't work anymore.
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That explains why I thought you didn't get them. I haven't been a player that long.
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It used to be that way long time ago, but for some odd reason it doesn't work anymore.
:airplane: Well,not sure what would be fair, but as long as some maps stay up, I would think anyone on line in past 48 hours should be entitled to the perks also, because he or she might have helped in some way to win that map!!! just saying
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:airplane: Well,not sure what would be fair, but as long as some maps stay up, I would think anyone on line in past 48 hours should be entitled to the perks also, because he or she might have helped in some way to win that map!!! just saying
well in that case we knights should be getting perkies all day long, we always help the other side win due to our endless desire to only furball :).
semp
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:airplane: Well,not sure what would be fair, but as long as some maps stay up, I would think anyone on line in past 48 hours should be entitled to the perks also, because he or she might have helped in some way to win that map!!! just saying
I would't go so far to say 48 hours. Sometimes a map is won in less time than that. Maybe I would say anyone who helped on the current map but that can extend up to a week, and not every player helps during that time span.
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It used to be that way long time ago, but for some odd reason it doesn't work anymore.
I wonder if that is contributing to high ENY numbers when online player numbers are low?
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I wonder if that is contributing to high ENY numbers when online player numbers are low?
I don't think so, because that rarely relates to the territorial status and at times numbers "inflight" can be particular low for an outnumbered, small country.
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well in that case we knights should be getting perkies all day long, we always help the other side win due to our endless desire to only take bishop bases :).
semp
Fixed that for you.
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I don't think so, because that rarely relates to the territorial status and at times numbers "inflight" can be particular low for an outnumbered, small country.
Lusche, in my experience (playing late night US time with low arena numbers) the "logged in to get win perks" DOES contribute to wildly high ENY numbers.
Some of the worst ENY swings I have ever seen have been close to map wins. Just a few nights ago Rooks were 2 bases from winning the map while it was getting late. While most of the Bish and Knights logged off, many Rooks remained (but not in flight) causing ENY to jump from between 12 to 18 (where it had been for a few hours) to 28 ENY while those last 2 bases were taken.
During that time, consistently less than half of the Rooks were "in flight". The way the system works now (only getting the perks if you stay logged in) results in players who leave (AFK for sleep) but stay logged in, contributing nothing to their side but an ENY problem.
I'd love to see an hourly "kick" system that logs people out when they have been inactive for over an hour. You solve several problems this way, including the ENY issue with those who log into opposing countries to drive up their ENY while they are AFK. Getting back to awarding the "win perks" to anyone who last flew for the winning side, on that map, during the past 12 hours would help also.
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Ryno
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I'd love to see an hourly "kick" system that logs people out when they have been inactive for over an hour. You solve several problems this way, including the ENY issue with those who log into opposing countries to drive up their ENY while they are AFK. Getting back to awarding the "win perks" to anyone who last flew for the winning side, on that map, during the past 12 hours would help also.
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Ryno
It would be nice, but sadly it's too easy to circumvent if people want to. They also either wouldn't know/wouldn't believe they'd get the perks if they were logged in in the last 12 hours.
Also, for some reason many in this community act like you're suggesting barbecuing their puppy at the mere notion that people be booted for idling. Don't understand it, but there it is.
Wiley.
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Fixed that for you.
actually that is wrong. we will fight the rooks at the begining because we just want to have a good time. then we'll fight the bishops next week because we want to up our stats, hey easy kills are always welcome, then we'll fight the rooks again to have a good time. towards the end of the month there's always the rush to fight the bishops again due to people wanting to score high and we, who doesnt like easy kills.
rest of the time we take bases.
semp
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actually that is wrong. we will fight the rooks at the begining because we just want to have a good time. then we'll fight the bishops next week because we want to up our stats, hey easy kills are always welcome, then we'll fight the rooks again to have a good time. towards the end of the month there's always the rush to fight the bishops again due to people wanting to score high and we, who doesnt like easy kills.
rest of the time we take bases.
semp
So easy to find the gaps with you guys... split you wide open at will nowadays. Bishops no different. Appreciate your countries predictability!
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So easy to find the gaps with you guys... split you wide open at will nowadays. Bishops no different. Appreciate your countries predictability!
well see that's the problem, we knights play this game to have fun, you guys play because you think there's something that can be won :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
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I take bases because I want to use them.
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Okay, so I'm confused again (no surprise there :o). Does a player sitting AFK in a tower affect ENY or not??? I could've sworn Lusche said that it doesn't... Maybe I remembered incorrectly. :headscratch:
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Does a player sitting AFK in a tower affect ENY or not??? I could've sworn Lusche said that it doesn't...
He never said that ;)
ENY is about all players, including those in tower.
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so whats the status on receiving victory perks? I thought you had to log a extended period of time with the winning country and did not have to be logged on at the time of victory? :headscratch:
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so whats the status on receiving victory perks? I thought you had to log a extended period of time with the winning country and did not have to be logged on at the time of victory? :headscratch:
Like I said before: It used to be that way long ago, but isn't anymore. Now you've got to be
- on the victorious side for at least 12h
- online at the moment the war was won (and this is what changed)
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Like I said before: It used to be that way long ago, but isn't anymore. Now you've got to be
- on the victorious side for at least 12h
- online at the moment the war was won (and this is what changed)
when do the 12 hours start?
semp
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well see that's the problem, we knights play this game to have fun, you guys play because you think there's something that can be won :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.
semp
This is how I explained it in a old thread:
The "war" is like a pool tournament that happens to be going on at the local watering hole. Knits wake up after a night of drinking, girls, and a good old bar fight and say "Damn, that was fun". Bish wake up alone with their plastic pool trophy and call their buddies "Golly, that was fun, silly Knits came in last in the tourney". Rooks wake up and take the cash they made from betting on the pool tournament and rolling drunk Knits to the bank with a grin the whole time.
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when do the 12 hours start?
semp
Follow on to this
Winning the War
The parameters for winning the war can vary, depending on the configuration of the terrain. You can find the current requirements by right clicking on the clipboard map and selecting country status from the menu.
At that time, the arena is reset, a different terrain is rotated in with the country territories randomly set, and a perk point bonus is awarded to players that have been in the winning country for a minimum of 12 hours prior to the end of the war.
Since the "documentation' is sparse, this above is all we have to go on. Is that 12 hours since you changed sides (12 hours of play as that chess piece), (in that arena ?), (that map?)
Your guess is as good as mine.
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Follow on to this
Since the "documentation' is sparse, this above is all we have to go on. Is that 12 hours since you changed sides (12 hours of play as that chess piece), (in that arena ?), (that map?)
Your guess is as good as mine.
I dont change countries. been a knight for many years. yet I have been online when the war has been won but I havent played a lot and got awarded no perkies. not that I really care about the perks, but was just curios.
semp
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He never said that ;)
ENY is about all players, including those in tower.
Ah. Sorry about that. It is the reason I asked....again. lol :bhead
So an auto-boot feature wouldn't be an overly bad idea then. 15 minutes, then auto kicked.
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Ah. Sorry about that. It is the reason I asked....again. lol :bhead
So an auto-boot feature wouldn't be an overly bad idea then. 15 minutes, then auto kicked.
Here is the problem...
Make a 15 min autoboot when in the tower, and people who are that hurting for perks will up a jeep, and sit in a hanger while AFK... Fix that by saying "no control inputs in 15 min", and bomber guys on autoclimb will get dinged. (etc, etc)
The many variations so that a person actually playing isn't effected would be a coding nightmare
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Here is the problem...
Make a 15 min autoboot when in the tower, and people who are that hurting for perks will up a jeep, and sit in a hanger while AFK... Fix that by saying "no control inputs in 15 min", and bomber guys on autoclimb will get dinged. (etc, etc)
The many variations so that a person actually playing isn't effected would be a coding nightmare
I don't think so. After 15 (30?, 60?) minutes of no new control input, you get a popup that says "You are showing inactive and will be logged out automatically in 5 minutes" and a button that says "Click here to remain logged in".
I'm no programmer, but I doubt thats a coding nightmare.
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This is how I explained it in a old thread:
The "war" is like a pool tournament that happens to be going on at the local watering hole. Knits wake up after a night of drinking, girls, and a good old bar fight and say "Damn, that was fun". Bish wake up alone with their plastic pool trophy and call their buddies "Golly, that was fun, silly Knits came in last in the tourney". Rooks wake up and take the cash they made from betting on the pool tournament and rolling drunk Knits to the bank with a grin the whole time.
haha this is perfect. :cheers:
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I don't think so. After 15 (30?, 60?) minutes of no new control input, you get a popup that says "You are showing inactive and will be logged out automatically in 5 minutes" and a button that says "Click here to remain logged in".
I'm no programmer, but I doubt thats a coding nightmare.
Judging by how high some of these bomber guys are. I have to assume they are taking off, and going to the kids soccer game on climb out. Should they be booted?
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Judging by how high some of these bomber guys are. I have to assume they are taking off, and going to the kids soccer game on climb out. Should they be booted?
Sure why not. If your not there to click a button then your not there to play the game. When I fly a buff I intend to run a full mission. The same as any other vehicle/plane. I may be watching a movie, but I'm sitting right in front of the computer doing scans to be sure no one is sneaking up on me.
If your not here to "play the game" why are you throwing away $15 a month on it? I just never understood that.
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Sure why not. If your not there to click a button then your not there to play the game. When I fly a buff I intend to run a full mission. The same as any other vehicle/plane. I may be watching a movie, but I'm sitting right in front of the computer doing scans to be sure no one is sneaking up on me.
If your not here to "play the game" why are you throwing away $15 a month on it? I just never understood that.
Ah, the old "my way is the only way" to play answer. :bolt:
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I don't think so. After 15 (30?, 60?) minutes of no new control input, you get a popup that says "You are showing inactive and will be logged out automatically in 5 minutes" and a button that says "Click here to remain logged in".
I'm no programmer, but I doubt thats a coding nightmare.
Step 1: Calibrate joystick off center.
Step 2: Up Jeep.
Step 3: Profit.
Wiley.
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Step 1: Calibrate joystick off center.
Step 2: Up Jeep.
Step 3: Profit.
Wiley.
How about x number of minutes of no change of controller input...or...keyboard input? That could account for off center cal.
But I can tell you there has been lengthy discussion on this topic and HiTech said no way is this an issue...period. So no changes to the game are ever going to happen regarding tower sitters, according to HiTech, no matter what you experience in game.
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How about x number of minutes of no change of controller input...or...keyboard input? That could account for off center cal.
But I can tell you there has been lengthy discussion on this topic and HiTech said no way is this an issue...period. So no changes to the game are ever going to happen regarding tower sitters, according to HiTech, no matter what you experience in game.
Autohotkey or other things like it negate it. It was a while ago, but I recall a post from HT saying that's why he's not bothering trying to deal with tower sitters. Anything they do is too easily circumventable.
Wiley.
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How about x number of minutes of no change of controller input...or...keyboard input? That could account for off center cal.
But I can tell you there has been lengthy discussion on this topic and HiTech said no way is this an issue...period. So no changes to the game are ever going to happen regarding tower sitters, according to HiTech, no matter what you experience in game.
install free "mouse jiggle" (https://mousejiggler.codeplex.com) software, open clipboard map, bypass any control input code.
Where there is a will there is a way.
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Yep, HTC isn't interested in booting inactive players. I think that the percentage of folks who would spend more than 2 minutes trying to get around the "inactive" would be small, but its a non-issue since it isn't going change. ENY very rarely bothers me in game. Most of the stuff I fly or drive is rarely effected and when it is the stuff farther down the list is plenty of fun to use. Its is a source of frustration for some and although I don't agree with a lot of what other folks get frustrated at in AH, I want players to be happy and stay so we have stuff to shoot at.
I think with a little brainstorming there are alternatives to how ENY works that would accomplish side balancing and produce less whining.
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Ah, the old "my way is the only way" to play answer. :bolt:
You can look at it that way if you want. I look it as a person wasting good money on a multi player game wanting to play alone. :rolleyes:
I think HTC software is a bit tight to allow 3rd party software into the game. Again, I'm sure Hitech is far smarter than most of us and if he wanted to put a stop to it he could. This is another of those instances where the "quite" is deafening from HTC. They could end all discussion about it by posting one statement. After that we all stay and live with what ever they have decided, or leave. At least we would know where the line is.