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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: lerxst on March 27, 2015, 10:30:18 PM
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I am yet again amazed and perplexed at how easy it seems for guys to fly b24's right over a cv at no more than 7k not take a single hit from any flak,sink the cv then fly off to land. :bhead am i the only one who sees this ever happen?
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Not as hard as you think. At 7k lead the cv by .6 boat lengths stagger your drop and cv is dead. I would come in at 7.8k and try to stay above the ground ack. If some one decent is commanding the group it becomes a bit more difficult then.
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No but I have lost a 262 to a direct hit of puffy ack, instantaneous kill, 3 times now... over a span of less than 1 month. :noid
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Yup, I don't take fighters anywhere near cv puffy
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If no one turns the CV, you can easily sink one from 20k. I have done so a few times. :) Seems most folks ignore any bombers that are flying up so high, so yeah. :devil
I will admit that a LOT of the attacks I've seen recently on cv's (from both sides) seem to be around 7-8k, instead of the standard 10k. Increased accuracy comes at a cost though, as 7-8k is solid for a good 5" gunner. I haven't lost many level bombers to CV auto-puffy. The last time I lost a bomber was on a return trip from a strat raid in the G4M1. Set my #3 drone on fire within a minute of entering it's range. Other than that, the worst I generally get is a fuel leak, followed by a PW.
Dive bombers are a different animal.
SBD's get within puffy range, then explode. Ju-87's get to dive point, then explode. The only dive bomber that survives to drop (and even escape most of the time) is the D3A. Least that's how it feels to me. lol It's been so long that I've honestly forgotten if the D3A has an AP bomb now... :o Wouldn't matter all that much since it wouldn't be very effective against anything but a DD, and even then I don't think it could sink one. :headscratch:
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B25Cs 2,500' sinks it EVERY time may lose a bird or two but your under the puffy and the 25s can eat up the AAA guns pretty well.
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On the other hand, I have saved a CV a number of times by watching radar and turning the boat at the right time. It doesn't always work, but it works often enough to make it work the effort.
And on yet another hand, there are some players who are deadly with a manned gun, and manage to nail just about anyone who comes in range.
So a little vigilance and good tactics can make sinking the carrier much harder. If you just let it drive out there by itself, a good bomber pilot is going to put it down.
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Op the buffs are taking damage trust me. Anyone can learn to bomb a CV level.... the most entertaining way is G.L.I.P bombing them in lancs! Buffs at 7k are easy target for 5" guns.
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The last time I lost a bomber was on a return trip from a strat raid in the G4M1. Set my #3 drone on fire within a minute of entering it's range.
Drone got damage from auto puffy? :headscratch:
You probably know by know that I keep detailed logs about my bomber sorties.
Since Sep 12, I lost a total of more than 90 bombers to auto puffy ack, and got about the same number of bombers with significant damage by it. Mostly over the strats, and some over task groups.
Never, not even once, a drone was effected. No drone ever leaked fuel, lost control surfaces or outright exploded by auto puffy. It's been always the lead bomber only.
Thats so many sorties (about 800 missions / 2300 'AH sorties' to the old cetral strats/city) and so many incidents that I can't even see that as some kind of freak statistical phenomenom. I claim: drones can't be hurt by puffy ack at all.
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B26s, 5K, 500lbs, salvo 2, it is rare to miss, once in while may not sink it.
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I have done measurements offline. I can't remember what altitude I came in over the CV group (perhaps 10K) but there was a zero percent chance of the auto puffy ack stopping me from sinking the CV. Zero percent. In fact, there was only a 10% chance of it taking out a single buff from my set of 3 (B-17s). Despite all of everyones claims that they lost their 262 to CV ack, there is no chance whatsoever of the CV puffy ack stopping a set of bombers from sinking it. None. (Manned puffy is different; a good gunner might be able to take out all three bombers. But it is very difficult as you have no way to aim since the auto puffy is making puffs everywhere.)
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B26s, 5K, 500lbs, salvo 2, it is rare to miss, once in while may not sink it.
you are brave :cheers: :cheers:. 5.5 for me 1k bombs. dont care which way you turn it, i will sink it. always look at the cruiser or the other boats they begin turning before cv does. only way to stop me is if they have a great gunner or fighter cover.
last time I flew over the cv ended up with a bad engine on my lead plane and one on my drone. landed all 3 planes anyway.
semp
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Drone got damage from auto puffy? :headscratch:
I claim: drones can't be hurt by puffy ack at all.
I know of one instance when this was not true. But it was due to a bug with a new release back when airfields had auto puffy. 1st burst inta-towered my whole box. Fixed the next day.
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Drone got damage from auto puffy? :headscratch:
You probably know by know that I keep detailed logs about my bomber sorties.
Since Sep 12, I lost a total of more than 90 bombers to auto puffy ack, and got about the same number of bombers with significant damage by it. Mostly over the strats, and some over task groups.
Never, not even once, a drone was effected. No drone ever leaked fuel, lost control surfaces or outright exploded by auto puffy. It's been always the lead bomber only.
Thats so many sorties (about 800 missions / 2300 'AH sorties' to the old cetral strats/city) and so many incidents that I can't even see that as some kind of freak statistical phenomenom. I claim: drones can't be hurt by puffy ack at all.
Are you sure about this??? It wasn't the first time I've lost a drone to auto-puffy. While I could count on one hand, the number of drones I've lost to auto-puffy, I've had it happen.
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Are you sure about this???
Absolutely sure.
That's nothing out of my memory, I keep very detailed flight logs about every bomber sortie I do. And for about 2 years, most of them took me to the puffy inferno of the central/city strats.
I can say for any bomber sortie at any specific date, time & location what caused my losses and damages.
In total more than 90 losses to puffy, a similar number of damaged bombers and not a single one was a drone. Each time I had an oil hit, fuel leak, fuel fire or insta kill it's been the center bomber, without any exception.
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I honestly have lost drones to auto puffy, but with no film to back it up, I may as well be the ant pushing a boulder. I'm in similar boat as you, in that unless I have seen it happen with my own eyes, I might question it. So I can see your angle. :aok
I'll need to keep the film on any sortie I lose one to auto puffy from now on. But seeing as I fly even less than you do now-a-days, it'll probably be a while before I can come back one way or the other. I hope I don't forget, that be my biggest problem. :o
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I have done measurements offline. I can't remember what altitude I came in over the CV group (perhaps 10K) but there was a zero percent chance of the auto puffy ack stopping me from sinking the CV. Zero percent. In fact, there was only a 10% chance of it taking out a single buff from my set of 3 (B-17s). Despite all of everyones claims that they lost their 262 to CV ack, there is no chance whatsoever of the CV puffy ack stopping a set of bombers from sinking it. None. (Manned puffy is different; a good gunner might be able to take out all three bombers. But it is very difficult as you have no way to aim since the auto puffy is making puffs everywhere.)
No way to aim since the auto puffy is making puffs everywhere... :rofl
You getting this 0Rick?
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Everything about sinking CV's in this GAME is a complete and total joke. Just learn to live with it, ain't nothin gonna change.
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Ive lost a B-29 drone to puffy, at 30,000+ going nearly 400 mph, i could barly see the cv group - lol
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I come in at 9K....lead by just under a boat length and watch it go "Deep Six" from the ball turret.
Who made 10K a standard? LOL. Get above the auto-ack and rain iron!
Softy
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When im in buffs at 10K going 250 mph, Auto puffy ack barely causes me to blink an eye.
When im in a fighter at 25K going 400mph, auto puffy ack causes my life to flash before my eyes.
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See rule 4
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Only two things need to be fixed with respect to CV's:
1) They can still get too close to shore. If you can cap an enemy field with your CV ack, then it is too close to shore. :rolleyes:
2) Towns and fields need to flash if being shelled by 5 inch and 8 inch guns regardless if there are uppers or not. You think someone would sound the alarm with all stuff blowing up. :headscratch:
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2) Towns and fields need to flash if being shelled by 5 inch and 8 inch guns regardless if there are uppers or not. You think someone would sound the alarm with all stuff blowing up. :headscratch:
I always had the habit of checking coastal downs and bases in regular intervals. The .dt command makes it so unbelievable easy I don't even have to abort my sortie and go there.
Of course, that still freaks people out: "NO way you could have known our CV was there, we didn't make town or base flash!" :bhead
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Only two things need to be fixed with respect to CV's:
1) They can still get too close to shore. If you can cap an enemy field with your CV ack, then it is too close to shore. :rolleyes:
2) Towns and fields need to flash if being shelled by 5 inch and 8 inch guns regardless if there are uppers or not. You think someone would sound the alarm with all stuff blowing up. :headscratch:
1) The thing is, this argument will still remain as bombardment task groups (which I REALLY WISH would be added) will still be within a couple of miles from shore, and THEIR ack will contribute to things. So if anything, get use to it as I believe the ack from a bombardment group may in fact, be heavier. If you mean a CV in general, I whole heartily agree. I don't recall of any CV's of any kind being so close to an enemy shore line as ours do. :headscratch:
2) I FULLY agree with this. If it get's shelled, it should flash. It does not make sense that something wouldn't flash when being shelled by anything. The same should hold true for TG's as well. If a shore battery opens fire on the TG, it should flash. As for GV's, I honestly do not remember if a GV upping to shell a CV that's off shore, will cause it to flash. I would think so, but just can't remember. :o
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Ive lost drones to auto puffy over CVs. Its unusual, its unusual to lose ANY of the Bombers to auto Puffy.
And its always the same attack type. Upp TU-2s with 2,000lb bombs, go to 8K, and speed drop on the CV at 8K. I would say losing a drone is much more possible at 7K. Then again were they all puffy or were a few in 5" guns? Who is to say? But I have lost drones.
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When im in buffs at 10K going 250 mph, Auto puffy ack barely causes me to blink an eye.
When im in a fighter at 25K going 400mph, auto puffy ack causes my life to flash before my eyes.
Yep. Same here. Three times in a row I ventured too close to an unseen CV in my Pony. In every case I was above 20K' going like mad and received an oil hit in less than 15 seconds.
Utterly ridiculous.
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Only two things need to be fixed with respect to CV's:
1) They can still get too close to shore. If you can cap an enemy field with your CV ack, then it is too close to shore. :rolleyes:
2) Towns and fields need to flash if being shelled by 5 inch and 8 inch guns regardless if there are uppers or not. You think someone would sound the alarm with all stuff blowing up. :headscratch:
I just check every coastal field and every pt spawn at those fields.
Then I sink them with pt boats.
I believe I sank about 50 or more in one tour and often got the CV/CA combo.
If you want to sink cv with pt boats, never tell your country about it's location or some clown will surely spend himself against the hull in a flaccid attack that does nothing more than cause the CV to turn right before your torps hit it.
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my favorite way to kill cv's when i still cared about doing so, is with a set of 234's at 1000-1500agl. you need to know where it is pretty accurately though. get up to 400+mph, remember to ditch the ratos and get your sight calibrated.. you then fly entirely from the sight since you have a pretty decent view of the horizon through it...
drop everything on the front half of the cv, guaranteed dead.
expect to lose a drone or two to autoack..
obv. you need to not care about bomber perks.