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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Alucard_II on April 03, 2015, 02:36:38 PM
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The Bloch MB.162
French four engine, heavy bomber. Developed late 1930's. Never flew under the French forces, but captured by Germany early in the war and used successfully from 41-42.
Pretty fast for a heavy bomber.
Up to 551km/h (342mph) at an alt of 5500m.
Good bomb load.
3600Kgs (about 8000lbs) of bombs.
Good defences.
2 x 7.5mm MAC 1934 MGs in the nose and ventral positions. 2 x 20mm hispano HS.404 cannons in ventral and dorsal positions.
(http://www.aviastar.org/pictures/france/bloch_mb-162.jpg)
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In your real life, do you make it a habit of not communicating complete information?
The MB.162 did not fly a single combat mission, nor did the MB.162 B.5 production model ever enter production. The prototype was used by the Luftwaffe in I/KG 200 for clandestine affairs during 1943-1944.
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In your real life, do you make it a habit of not communicating complete information?
Early on when I first started posting stuff on the wishlist, the majority of the post was my own personal opinion on the vehicle/tweak. I figured this was a bit too bias, as I would rarely point out the cons of the vehicle and only focus on the pros of it. So I just shortened them down to a short article on the vehicle details, so there was ZERO input by me, and people could see the vehicle barebones and form their own opinion.
Apparently, for some reason, people dont like this. Which is why I am going to go back to my old ways. BUT, I will focus more on making the cons of the vehicle/tweak more clear to the reader.
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In order to be added to Aces High a vehicle or plane or weapon must have been used in combat in WWII or WWI.
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Early on when I first started posting stuff on the wishlist, the majority of the post was my own personal opinion on the vehicle/tweak. I figured this was a bit too bias, as I would rarely point out the cons of the vehicle and only focus on the pros of it. So I just shortened them down to a short article on the vehicle details, so there was ZERO input by me, and people could see the vehicle barebones and form their own opinion.
Apparently, for some reason, people dont like this. Which is why I am going to go back to my old ways. BUT, I will focus more on making the cons of the vehicle/tweak more clear to the reader.
I don't think you comprehend what you're being told, here.
It's nothing to do with the pros and cons, but entirely to do with HISTORY. An aircraft that never saw combat in WWII will never see combat in Aces High, no matter WHAT pros and cons it has.
Or to put it another way: If it never saw combat, that's a DAMN big con that WILL override any pros, and guarantee it will never see the light of day in the game.
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Does the OP even think before he posts? :bhead
It's one thing to open up something for discussion but the topic has to have actual revelency.
Meaning:
In order to be added to Aces High a vehicle or plane or weapon must have been used in combat in WWII or WWII.
And this that is a painful trend in your threads:
I don't think you comprehend what you're being told, here.
It's nothing to do with the pros and cons, but entirely to do with HISTORY. An aircraft that never saw combat in WWII will never see combat in Aces High, no matter WHAT pros and cons it has.
Or to put it another way: If it never saw combat, that's a DAMN big con that WILL override any pros, and guarantee it will never see the light of day in the game.
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Hi Allie.
That French bomber is a great find! I never realized the French had attempted to develop a heavy bomber in WWII. Good for you, man, for taking an interest in WWII history and doing some research.
As has been pointed out, it won't do for AH because it never saw combat. Perhaps you were unaware of that requirement. I'm still glad you posted it though because I learned something.
Thanks.
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I'm still glad you posted it though because I learned something.
Thanks.
Agreed.
- oldman
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The OP is young, new to the game and culture and excited to be part of it. I'm glad.
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I'm going to settle all of this.
I'll admit, a lot of the things I post have many problems. And a lot of the things I post, I would probably be the only person crazy enough to use them. But at least all the things I post are grounded in reality.
I've seen people post that they want TU-95 heavy bombers, which is a cold war/modern (still used today by the russian airforce) bomber designed to carry missiles...
F-14 jets...
Fa Draches, which were helicopters. While they did serve under the germans in ww2, they would get annihilated by fighters in an instant...
And even Type 97 Chi Ha's, Japanese tank... JAPANESE TANKS.
Now, imagine B-29s were not in AH. And I wish for it. And I told you it can go to 30k and the only way your ever going to catch it is to spend 150-200 perks buying a jet, just to get obliterated by its 12 Machine guns and 20mm cannon. What would you say? "Oh, that sound completely stupid, it can drop entire factories and HQs and Cities in one go. Thats too op, did you even think before you posted this? Jesus christ help this kid." :bhead
Just be happy I at least give it any form of thought. If I didnt think that it could be at least the tiniest bit succesful, I wouldnt post it. I would be busy, typing up walls of text as to why I think a B-52 would be great to have.
Lets just take a second to see what I've wished for so far in the wishlist...
-Strategic Positions such as Ack and Radar bases.
-Bloch MB.162s.
-Tupolev TB.3s.
-B-25s to be put on Aircraft Carriers.
-Howitzers and Railguns.
-Zveno Project.
etc...
ALL of them were used in WW2. Except maybe the Bloch. Do you see any cold war era jets and super heavy modern bombers in there? No...
For those of you who apparently think that your above me, I'm not going to stop. If I have an idea that I think could have any chance of working, I'm going to post it. No one asked you to click on my posts just to criticize me, not even the post half the time. This isnt Guantanamo Bay, I'm allowed to say what I want.
And for those of you who actually seem to support me. Thank you. Even if you do disagree. You at least act like your talking to a human instead of talking to a dog. :salute
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I think his signature is most apt.
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This isn't anime fanboy teeny bopper vampires are us, and you ain't Alucard. This is not Hellsing, Unlimited or otherwise.
Only the prototype saw use by the Luft as a nighttime delivery wagon for dropping agents because of it's speed. It did not fly in force in combat. That is the requirement. The aircraft and vehicles forum is were you post tid bits like this you want people to ooohh and aww over your Wikipedia scholarship. I believe at the minimum you do know this difference.
You don't do very well when not preaching to a choir that agrees with you.
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Thanks for the posts Alucard. I find them interesting.
Really you guys? A little constructive feedback is all that's needed. NOT pounding with sledgehammer! Ease up.
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What the hell do you people want from me?
All I have done is put things in the wishlist that I would like to see in the game. Why is the wishlist here? Oh, so people can make wishes for things they want in the game...
I believe Skuzzy says to not say a thing if its not to contribute to the topic. And what do you do? You spam ALL of my posts with criticism of ME, not even the post half the time.
Why do I make these posts? Theres 2 reasons.
1. I would love to see the things I post in the game. Even if im the only one who would use it.
2. I've had people say that they actually enjoy my posts.
I'm going to say it one more time. All you have to do, is politely disagree with me. Not say its completely stupid and continue to go on and criticize me. Just say that you disagree with it, and leave. And if you can't do that, then do not click on any of my posts for now on.
-Lets not turn this into an argument that belongs on facebook. Thank You. :salute
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Flame on... Sweet bejeebus, that got out of control. Anyways, while I do like the idea of adding more aircraft to the game, this one has no place. Plenty of other aircraft should be added before the Bloch 4 engine. -1 But good find, for what it is worth.
And that is how one disagrees. :bolt:
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Flame on... Sweet bejeebus, that got out of control. Anyways, while I do like the idea of adding more aircraft to the game, this one has no place. Plenty of other aircraft should be added before the Bloch 4 engine. -1 But good find, for what it is worth.
And that is how one disagrees.
^ This one gets it
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You don't do very well when not preaching to a choir that agrees with you.
........ and believe us when we say that Bustr is speaking from experience here.......
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^ This one gets it
Believe it or not the others "get it" as well. They are trying to educate you on the rules of the "wish list". Requesting a plane or GV that was NOT in battle, or squadron force DURING WWII automatically makes it a big fat NO. It doesn't matter how much you would like it it will NEVER be added to the game, these are HTC's rules.
As for other things like the B25 on CVs, that was a one off in the war. It never happened a second time. It was never a tactic used in multiple situations for any other plans other than the one time. So saying, it has no relevance in the game as a tactic and so won't be added in the main arenas. It may pop up as an option in a custom arena, or a scenario situation based on that single time in the war, but not for the Mains.
Changing anything in the game requires you looking at the "idea" from ALL sides. That is what most of these clowns do when they are shooting down yours and others ideas on the boards. They are pointing out the sides you DIDN'T see the idea from and so explain why it won't work or it couldn't be added.
So don't bother wishing for things that were NOT used in force during the war. Do your research. Don't wish for changes in the game that have negative effects, again, do your research. Well thought out ideas generate discussions, not so well thought out ones create attacks much like we see here. Just food for thought.
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They are trying to educate you on the rules of the "wish list".
The only rules of the wishlist I know of are stickied at the top of this forum. :)
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You ask what we want of you? We want you to follow conventions.
I gather that these "rules" for the wishlist are rather more de facto rather than de jure. But even so, you must think about what the place would look like if everyone posted as you did. Everything of value and worth discussion would be buried amongst the piles of inane crap that would inevitably spring up.
You may see no problem, afterall it's just you doing it. But why should you take licence not afforded to everyone?
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Believe it or not the others "get it" as well. They are trying to educate you on the rules of the "wish list". Requesting a plane or GV that was NOT in battle, or squadron force DURING WWII automatically makes it a big fat NO. It doesn't matter how much you would like it it will NEVER be added to the game, these are HTC's rules.
That being the case, I have become more philosophical. Yes, I used to pull out the sarcastic slap-o-matic every time someone suggested Nazi moon bases or something that was once drawn on paper and submitted but not built or used in combat. It came to me as an epiphany. There's no threat. It's not going to get into the game. If HT reads the wish he's going to laugh then go on with something worthwhile. The OP that suggested it will either get it over time or not. Nod and smile boys, nod and smile. :)
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You ask what we want of you? We want you to follow conventions.
I gather that these "rules" for the wishlist are rather more de facto rather than de jure. But even so, you must think about what the place would look like if everyone posted as you did. Everything of value and worth discussion would be buried amongst the piles of inane crap that would inevitably spring up.
You may see no problem, afterall it's just you doing it. But why should you take licence not afforded to everyone?
They generally are, with most of the community split down various lines of what's worthwhile, practical or even desirable. ;)
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What the hell do you people want from me?
All I have done is put things in the wishlist that I would like to see in the game. Why is the wishlist here? Oh, so people can make wishes for things they want in the game...
I believe Skuzzy says to not say a thing if its not to contribute to the topic. And what do you do? You spam ALL of my posts with criticism of ME, not even the post half the time.
Its not that we disagree with you, most are stating the facts - the Bloch MB 162 never entered production; like the do-335 (as an example) it was only a prototype fighter that may/may not of seen combat. The simple fact it didn't serve in combat numbers or in combat period; its been said it will never be added in game. The problem I see with "Wishing" for planes that were prototype, is the fact that none have seen combat, most prototypes are nothing compared to the final product.
Also it would open a door of hundreds of requests for "prototypes" let alone "equipment" that also didn't see combat action.
While it is a nice wish, it would be nice to see the french with an actual combat bomber for example the Bloch MB.210.
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While it is a nice wish, it would be nice to see the french with an actual combat bomber for example the Bloch MB.210.
What French? :D
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OK, if not the MB.162, what about the MB.174...
(http://i1248.photobucket.com/albums/hh485/Cocinilla1973/Bloch%20MB%20170/3_zps64de08d0.jpg)
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I think it took a brave pilot to fly something like that into battle. Braver still is the poor bloke in the nose.
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Pretty good specs for an EW bomber.
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The OP is young, new to the game and culture and excited to be part of it. I'm glad.
THIS was the biggest lesson I learned on the forums. . . this far :devil
If you think you have a great idea and want to share with the community, keep in mind;
1. The idea has probably been brought up in the previous 10 years and already discussed in one form or another.
2. You need to thoroughly and objectively review the pros AND cons to all parties involved (will that new bomber be a hanger queen? what will the ENY be? what kind of resources will this update/change require?
3. What will your idea impact?
5. Can it be exploited?
6. Is this a personal wish, or does it truly add to the game overall
... Even though I've been smacked down a few times for my wishlist items, it's better to have the old sticks say, we've looked at that already and dismissed it than not attempting to grow the game.
Don't let the poo-poo'ers get you down. :furious Keep making suggestions, but keep in mind that the game has been around for along time and the community is very dedicated. A little research into the wishlist forum history has kept me from posting a few things previously discussed.
Very cool bomber... must have been originally designed to drop cheese and wine. :devil