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General Forums => Films and Screenshots => Topic started by: scott66 on April 09, 2015, 03:54:51 AM
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Ok So. ..I tried using Fraps to capture video and my fps took a hard hit so I'm forced to use ah film viewer which doesn't hit my fps at all. .so I got allot of videos to edit and I'm an idiot. .I looked at Adobe premier for editing. .800 bucks. Ummmm no lol then Sony vegas 12..361 bucks ouch I want to keep the sounds vox and text and maybe Later add music any suggestions you video gurus .....all I know how to do is hit alt r...lol. ..thanks. ps..do I covert to avi before or after edit?
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I feel your pain scott66, I've been fighting making a film for about a week now. I've made several films, but I can't get them to convert to avi format, and my converter can't open my file to convert it and can't upload them to You Tube either :bhead . I'm using Bandicam to capture my ah films and it seems to work okay (far from a professional filming process) but its a start. Good luck with your movies as well.
Draggon Out: :cheers:
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If you are using screen capture program there is no need to change it. I personally use Lolio screen capture software.
Once you have got that done. Just transfer it to your video editing software.
HitFilms used to have a free version you could download... With Sony Vegas for what you need to do you can get by with the $50 version or the $110 one.
Adobe you can use Adobe cloud for a small fee.
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Lol thanks for the response guys..I'm using a free trial version of Sony now but now I'm trying to import my ah film viewer videos into it but it doesn't recognize it unlike Fraps it new exactly where those were but with a fps of 22 I just deleted my Fraps recordings ..my film viewer videos are playing hard to get with Sony vegas :bhead screw it I'm cutting vudu15 a check and let him handle this lol :bolt: :salute
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Lol thanks for the response guys..I'm using a free trial version of Sony now but now I'm trying to import my ah film viewer videos into it but it doesn't recognize it unlike Fraps it new exactly where those were but with a fps of 22 I just deleted my Fraps recordings ..my film viewer videos are playing hard to get with Sony vegas :bhead screw it I'm cutting vudu15 a check and let him handle this lol :bolt: :salute
Try Lolio game recorder. It is a lot easier on the computer
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Try Lolio game recorder. It is a lot easier on the computer
I will thank you :salute
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You cannot edit a native Aces High Film (i.e. .ahf extension) with anything other than the film editor. If you want to edit it in Sony/Adobe, then you have to save the film as an AVI.
Use the "uncompressed" option and be sure to check the "multi-file" option. The film viewer will create proper AVI's both Sony and Adobe can work with. It really is not that hard.
Now, if you want the audio, that is a different story. What I do is play the film in the film viewer, and while it is playing I record the audio being played using any decent audio package (I have Audition).
Then I marry the audio to the video in Sony Vegas Pro.
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dont feel bad scotty i had the same problem with Mirillis Action. wish someone would start a thread on how to do movies that was up to date and explains how to deal with fps loss and the rest . when saving on the film viewer to avi all I got was cockpit view. sure is frustrating i agree.
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Scott. Try out the free version of Bandicam. I was having the same issues with fraps and action. The game was unplayable and I couldnt even get through replaying a video clip without getting dizzy. I maybe get a 5 fps drop using bandicam.
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Thanks all :salute will try
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I swear I have so much more respect for you guys that post videos
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If you want real-time recording as you play, try NVidia Shadowplay or MSI Afterburner (if you have a supported video card). They will record whatever is displayed on your screen, so if you set up a shot with the AH film viewer, you can play back the shot full-screen and use them to record it.
But as Skuzzy said, and has always said, if you export your AH film with the film viewer, you can turn up all the graphics settings and it will create a stutter-free high quality avi, albeit with no sound.
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with FRAPS you will always take a hit in frames but if you have a moderately good system you can play with your settings and maintain 60fps. I use sony vegas 10 and it was only 90 bucks a few years ago. but yea hunt around and find what works if you start to use either of those lemme know and I can walk you through so stuff.
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with FRAPS you will always take a hit in frames but if you have a moderately good system you can play with your settings and maintain 60fps. I use sony vegas 10 and it was only 90 bucks a few years ago. but yea hunt around and find what works if you start to use either of those lemme know and I can walk you through so stuff.
thanks bud ya I just bought a new system and Fraps and bandicam drop it from 60 to 25
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A setting in FRAPS will lock FR @ 30. That's what you're gonna upload to YouTube anyway.
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Shall I tell you how to record full HD at 60 fps? YouTube allows 60 fps now, at least for partners.
FRAPS is the cheaper route.
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A setting in FRAPS will lock FR @ 30. That's what you're gonna upload to YouTube anyway.
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oh crud. ..I did set it at 30
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Shall I tell you how to record full HD at 60 fps? YouTube allows 60 fps now, at least for partners.
FRAPS is the cheaper route.
yes please :banana:
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Iv never locked my frame rate but I've always maintained around 60 and I render and upload at that frame rate as well.
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yes please :banana:
Buy this:
http://smile.amazon.com/Elgato-Game-Capture-HD60/dp/B00MIQ40JQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428712330&sr=8-1&keywords=record+60+fps+games
Your video card should have your current monitor set to primary with a second output (HDMI) to the Elgato. In Control Panel you pull up Display and mirror your primary monitor to the Elgato. Output from the Elgato should go to a USB 3 controller and then into a HD on a controller other than your primary OS controller (preferably a PCIe SATA III card).
BOOM! 1080p 60 fps.
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Buy this:
http://smile.amazon.com/Elgato-Game-Capture-HD60/dp/B00MIQ40JQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428712330&sr=8-1&keywords=record+60+fps+games
Your video card should have your current monitor set to primary with a second output (HDMI) to the Elgato. In Control Panel you pull up Display and mirror your primary monitor to the Elgato. Output from the Elgato should go to a USB 3 controller and then into a HD on a controller other than your primary OS controller (preferably a PCIe SATA III card).
BOOM! 1080p 60 fps.
thanks bud :banana: :banana: :salute
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I'm only using an Asus gs750 laptop but it's a gaming laptop so it should still work I hope..so with this device it recorded everything including game sounds Vox chat?
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It only records what goes across the HDMI line. That's where it gets sticky with Aces High, because HDMI audio is a PITA. So, if you really want audio recorded you can either record the game with AHFilm and then find a way to copy and sync the track in your video, or you can use a mixer (which gets more expensive). Elgato and AHFilm is the easiest way to go, really, but you have to find a sync point (picture the old ClapBoard).
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I wanna do videos but I would like to know just what im doing before i spend any money on it. what would be the best way to do this
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After what seemed like forever to get a film made ( With help from mikev and a few others ) I finally have it done. What I'm using is Bandicam and Windows Live Movie Maker, these don't cost you anything so for me this is a great way to get started making videos. So if for no other reason but to get started, this might be a good way for you also to get started. I use Bandicam for capturing the AH film into film clips, then use the Windows Live Movie Maker for placing the film clips you captured from the AH films, then adding the sound tracks and other editing properties. There both pretty simple to operate, it just takes a little while to play with them to figure out the programs ( but pretty easy )
Take in mind these are a free program and the video quality isn't HD, but again it's a way to get started until you decide for an upgrade.
Draggon Out: :bolt:
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Thanks draggon :aok
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No problem, I hope this will help you Scott. The problem I had was getting the films to upload on YouTube, finally mikev figured out what the problem was... make sure your Youtube and Gmail account are linked right, that was my problem but mikev got that fixed for me..lol Thanks again mikev :aok
If you have trouble figuring out how to use Bandicam or Windows Live Movie Maker, pm me and I'll explain in detail how to do it ok.. Good luck brother.
Draggon Out: :bolt:
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no problem Draggon always try to help waiting for the next video. :aok
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Thanks to you mikev, I now have 3 videos on YouTube. Now take in mind I'm still learning how its all done and these are by NO MEANS anything really good, but there my first and I like them...lol ( Especially the sound tracks ) But as time goes on They will get better. I'm not sure if its my video card or the way there being saved or uploaded, but the clarity isn't very well for sure. Again, thanks for all the help from everyone in helping me to get started with filming, I surely appreciate it very much! :aok
Draggon Out: :bolt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hc2rKHYky4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh_29foImKw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rS9EBHIVLM
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Thanks to you mikev, I now have 3 videos on YouTube. Now take in mind I'm still learning how its all done and these are by NO MEANS anything really good, but there my first and I like them...lol ( Especially the sound tracks ) But as time goes on They will get better. I'm not sure if its my video card or the way there being saved or uploaded, but the clarity isn't very well for sure. Again, thanks for all the help from everyone in helping me to get started with filming, I surely appreciate it very much! :aok
Draggon Out: :bolt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hc2rKHYky4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh_29foImKw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rS9EBHIVLM
Where are those videos you promised of me and BigR?
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Where are those videos you promised of me and BigR? I'm sure you know which ones I'm talking about. You went on about them on 200 for about 20 minutes.
What possibly could this have anything to do with a discussion on "Editing Programs"?
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Where are those videos you promised of me and BigR? I'm sure you know which ones I'm talking about. You went on about them on 200 for about 20 minutes.
Why don't you make your own thread asking where those videos are at instead of hijacking this thread about video editing program.
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I am glad your having fun making these Draggon. your still getting more kills in 1 video then i do in 2 weeks or longer lol.. but 1 of these days ...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT44cUPZQ2o
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Buy this:
http://smile.amazon.com/Elgato-Game-Capture-HD60/dp/B00MIQ40JQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1428712330&sr=8-1&keywords=record+60+fps+games
First, NO. That device is fraking garbage, because it transfers the video over USB 2.0, which doesn't have the bandwidth, and so it very poorly compresses the video first, and you lose a lot of quality.
Second, if you're going to use a capture card, you need a second computer. So you're talking a 2-computer setup. Notice how it says "for PlayStation 4, Xbox One and Xbox 360, or Wii U gameplay", as its captures those consoles "right to your PC or Mac". If you're going to capture a computer with a computer, you need two computers, or else you're doing it wrong.
Third, the better way is to use Open Broadcaster Software to capture Aces High gameplay to your hard drive directly, no capture card needed: https://obsproject.com Follow the OBS setup guides, and make sure you're running Windows Vista or better and that your GPU fully supports DirectX 10 or better and your drivers are updated. Use Game Capture. If you have a recent Nvidia card, you can use the built-in NVEnc encoder, same as Shadowplay uses, except with OBS you have more configuration options. If you have an Intel CPU, you can use Quicksync encoding with OBS. If you have one of the latest AMD video cards, there may soon be an AMD equivalent to NVEnc available, there's a fork of OBS with it in open alpha testing now.
Fourth, if you do have a second computer you want to do all your encoding tasks on, get a decent capture card (at the same price), not the P.O.S. that Challenge mentioned. (And use it with OBS mentioned above.) Here's the most trouble-free popular capture card on the market: http://www.amazon.com/Live-Gamer-HD-Lite-Acquisition/dp/B00GLPYA1I . It'll allow you to input 1080p60 and record it at 720p60 or 1080p30, either choice will be far better quality than the Elgato device, or any device that inputs HD video over a USB 2.0 port.
If you want to spend more, you can find capture cards for full 1080p60 input and output, but they require USB 3.0 or a PCIe 4x slot... if they claim to need less, they're pre-compressing the video and you should avoid them for numerous reasons. To see what I use, check my Twitch link in my sig.
As for video editing once you've captured your video to your hard drive, I personally think the best price/features/performance tradeoffs for an NLE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-linear_editing_system) for amateurs like us is still Vegas Movie Studio (HD Platinum version... whatever). There's a 30 day free fully-featured trial on Sony's Vegas site, which will more than likely convince you to buy the full thing, old versions of which are not expensive: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=vegas%20movie%20studio . Get the Platinum version though, as lesser versions I believe have poor output options.
Once you're done in Vegas, save it as an extremely high quality/bitrate "intermediate" file, and then use Handbrake to compress it to something you can upload to YouTube. Be sure to keep YouTube's H.264 encoding recommendations in mind: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171
This YouTube video tells you an very nicely how to save an intermediate file out of Vegas and then use Handbrake to make it to the final product for upload to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=rWMX5lSvEgY
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Thanks bud :aok so with that obs I only need one computer since that's all I have room for in the truck :cheers:I'll try
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If you are using Sony Vegas Pro, it does have a Youtube friendly encoding option.
You really want to avoid running any video through multiple lossy encodings.
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You really want to avoid running any video through multiple lossy encodings.
I agree. If you're worried about the intermediate file, then make the intermediate file lossless, as described in the YouTube link I posted. If you're worried about the Elgato (and other USB 2.0 capture devices), then I agree, that's a very legitimate concern.
The main problem with Vegas Pro is that it uses the Mainconcept H.264 encoder, which has inferior quality per bitrate versus the x264 that Handbrake uses. That's essentially mitigated by most people by cranking the bitrate high enough.
Which is the same solution for the first encoding when saving video to the hard drive. You can use FRAPS uncompressed or something similar (NVEnc has a lossless recording preset on the Maxwell series), but it makes it a squeak on your NLEs and on the computer system itself. I recall making posts about this on these forums when I first got my 2600k and SSD a number of years ago, but the situations with FRAPS hasn't improved measurably since then. Alternatives on the other hand have improved many fold. In the end using H.264 (albeit lossy) encoding to the hard drive with a high enough bitrate to make a suitably transparent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_%28data_compression%29) recording is far superior for 99.9% of everyone than trying to deal with FRAPS uncompressed (or similar) just to avoid another lossy step.
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I agree. If you're worried about the intermediate file, then make the intermediate file lossless, as described in the YouTube link I posted. If you're worried about the Elgato (and other USB 2.0 capture devices), then I agree, that's a very legitimate concern.
The main problem with Vegas Pro is that it uses the Mainconcept H.264 encoder, which has inferior quality per bitrate versus the x264 that Handbrake uses. That's essentially mitigated by most people by cranking the bitrate high enough.
Which is the same solution for the first encoding when saving video to the hard drive. You can use FRAPS uncompressed or something similar (NVEnc has a lossless recording preset on the Maxwell series), but it makes it a squeak on your NLEs and on the computer system itself. I recall making posts about this on these forums when I first got my 2600k and SSD a number of years ago, but the situations with FRAPS hasn't improved measurably since then. Alternatives on the other hand have improved many fold. In the end using H.264 (albeit lossy) encoding to the hard drive with a high enough bitrate to make a suitably transparent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transparency_%28data_compression%29) recording is far superior for 99.9% of everyone than trying to deal with FRAPS uncompressed (or similar) just to avoid another lossy step.
With Vegs Pro you can adjust all the sample parameters of the Manconcept encoder, including bitrates (fixed or dynamic, single pass or multi pass as well). Or you can install the X264 encoder, which is what Handbrake uses and use it. Or you can use the Youtube encoder (aptly named "Internet") supplied with Vegas Pro so Youtube will not recode it when you upload it.
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With Vegs Pro you can adjust all the sample parameters of the Manconcept encoder, including bitrates (fixed or dynamic, single pass or multi pass as well). Or you can install the X264 encoder, which is what Handbrake uses and use it. Or you can use the Youtube encoder (aptly named "Internet") supplied with Vegas Pro so Youtube will not recode it when you upload it.
Even if you install the x264 vfw in Vegas, it still isn't as good as using Handbrake:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/Forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=914948
The poster known as musicvid10 in that thread is an amazinhunk (if you see his posts on various video encoding forums), but knows what he's talking about.
You can render directly out of Vegas to Handbrake using the frameserve technique discussed in that thread, but I personally have never done that because its only actually faster than an intermediate if you only do one Handbrake render. I typically do many Handbrake renders, one for YouTube, one high quality archive, one to remain on my computer hard drive, one for mobile devices to show off to friends, etc. All get encoded differently based primarily on the intended player's requirements and filesize restrictions. Having the intermediate makes it faster than having to render out of Vegas for each one of those, and I believe the quality is equivalent as long as the intermediate is lossless (its possible the frameserve technique may have some advantage though, I haven't tried it).
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Yes, I am subscribed to that forum as well.
The biggest quality issue one has with Sony Vegas has to do with the source material. Vegas does not do very well if you are going from one source type it has no template for to another output type.
I too use Handbrake, when needed. I typically convert the source material with Handbrake to something Vegas can deal with, but it depends on the output encoding as well.
Honestly, there are too many variables in order for one solution to solve them all.
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Man I'm so lost :headscratch: :x lol ok. ..I found the a solution. .I know how to write a check. .I'll just put someone on the payroll if I can't figure this out. I know all the information I need is contained in this thread :cheers: thanks to all. .for your time and effort :salute
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Or you can use the Youtube encoder (aptly named "Internet") supplied with Vegas Pro so Youtube will not recode it when you upload it.
I've done some research on this, and I can find no evidence to back up this assertion.
YouTube re-encodes everything, no matter what. Even if you encoded it to the exact specifications for the highest resolution download YouTube would normally encode it to, YouTube will still re-encode the video.
The best advice is to encode to the highest bitrate you can stand to upload, within the restrictions and recommendations YouTube gives for video uploads, which I've linked in a previous post.
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First, NO.
I have to tell you that I use this on a single computer and it works fine even across USB 2.0 (although my controller card is USB 3.0). Used in the precise manner I described (secondary HD controller) it works fine. Of course, if you have an ancient system then probably not.
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I have to tell you that I use this on a single computer and it works fine even across USB 2.0 (although my controller card is USB 3.0). Used in the precise manner I described (secondary HD controller) it works fine. Of course, if you have an ancient system then probably not.
Even when it "works fine", it degrades the video quality significantly, because at least at HD resolutions, the video stream can't fit over a USB 2.0 connection without significant lossy compression.
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All my videos are done using the AH film viewer, sony vegas and a bit of effort... though they probs look that way too...
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What the best rendering settings for Sony Vegas?
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What the best rendering settings for Sony Vegas?
For web/YouTube? Use the "Internet" preset, preferably at 1080p.
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Even when it "works fine", it degrades the video quality significantly, because at least at HD resolutions, the video stream can't fit over a USB 2.0 connection without significant lossy compression.
You do not need the full bandwidth of USB 2.0 (60 MB/s) to record uncompressed HD video (1080p 60fps). I know it can be confusing to do the conversion from Kb/s to MB/s, but you don't even need to worry about that. Twitch (from what I hear) is not going to let you set your data stream high enough to exceed what USB 2.0 offers (I was told 8,000kbps, or 1MB/s). If you feel like you need something faster they even make these same devices with USB 3.0 capabilities, but you shouldn't need that unless you just want to match USB3 to USB3.
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You do not need the full bandwidth of USB 2.0 (60 MB/s) to record uncompressed HD video (1080p 60fps). I know it can be confusing to do the conversion from Kb/s to MB/s, but you don't even need to worry about that. Twitch (from what I hear) is not going to let you set your data stream high enough to exceed what USB 2.0 offers (I was told 8,000kbps, or 1MB/s). If you feel like you need something faster they even make these same devices with USB 3.0 capabilities, but you shouldn't need that unless you just want to match USB3 to USB3.
First of all, you're wrong about the bandwidth needed for uncompressed 1080p60: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncompressed_video#Storage_and_Data_Rates_for_Uncompressed_Video (that actually doesn't even show 1080p60 on the chart, but its easy to calculate using the given formula).
Second, I can look up the theoretical top speed of USB 2.0 too. http://www.everythingusb.com/hi-speed-usb.html
Since USB 2.0 doesn't get anywhere close to its theoretical bandwidth limit in practice and manufacturers (including Elgato) want their devices to actually "work" in every system they're plugged in to, they don't allow their devices doing live work to come anywhere close to the transfer speed limit. Elgato does compress the video to fit over USB 2.0, this is a fact, and they do it with a crappy hardware h.264 encoder (poor quality per bitrate) so that there isn't a huge delay between when the video is input and the video appears on the other side of the capture device (trading off quality for low latency).
Twitch's "cap" (http://help.twitch.tv/customer/portal/articles/1253460-broadcast-requirements) (its really a recommended maximum, but if you exceed it and aren't a partner, they'll eventually ban you) is at 3500k bps (lower case k), not 8000. So yeah, this device is fine for Twitch. Its not fine for saving to your hard drive when you want to preserve quality and minimize lossy encoding steps. Which is, you know, what this thread is actually about.
Furthermore, even for live streaming, Elgato devices have serious problems. There is a delay from the pre-encoding step needed to send the video over USB 2.0, measured in a few hundred milliseconds, and if you don't account for it when you're live streaming, you'll have audio-video sync problems.
For the same price as an Elgato, as long as you have a free PCIe 1x slot, you can get a far better capture card that doesn't pre-encode the video. I previously linked one in this thread. Elgato devices (and all USB 2.0 devices) are a poor choice and should be avoided.