Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: mikev on April 13, 2015, 10:58:31 PM
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this is what i am looking at right now for a ballpark start. yes i this on ebay just to see whats available. yes there will be opinions and etc but lets face it i and im sure any of you do not want to keep buying a new system every time the game changes. so lets hear from you experts . i want something i can use now and for the next few years after AH3 comes out. i like all the eye candy in my graphics so lets see where this goes.
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One thing is see is the AMD edition case your using with an intel cpu and nvidia gpu 8) . Kinda the wrong advertising on the case hehe. Also i would recommend a higher quality power supply, Ultra has had some quality issues in the past that ive read about that would steer me away from them .
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Why choose a Micro size motherboard in a Mid size case? A full size motherboard also has more space for components which helps keeping them cooler. Also, the motherboard only seems to support 16 GB of memory, only has two memory slots and supports only up to 1600.
+1 for a reliable power supply.
Not to mention that looks a bit expensive, without the me mory card reader and TV tuner pcpartpicker cuts $400 off with a much better PSU:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wvZwXL (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wvZwXL)
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wvZwXL/by_merchant/ (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/wvZwXL/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($344.17 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.95 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI H81M-E33 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($45.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper Gaming Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($66.99 @ Best Buy)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($314.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake VL800P1W2N (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($45.88 @ Mwave)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG GH22NS90B DVD/CD Writer ($29.94 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($133.79 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Corsair Air Series SP120 Quiet Edition (2-Pack) 37.9 CFM 120mm Fans ($27.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1338.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-14 09:12 EDT-0400
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From the info ive read on overclocking the H81 chipset, it is considered experimental and not a sure thing that the multiplier will be unlocked for the unlocked K series cpu your buying . I would look for a Z87 or Z97 mother board to go along with that cpu just to be sure you can get the most out of your cpu , plus get rid of the 16gb ram limit. Maybe others here have experience with the motherboard you picked and can chime in about the multiplier unlock.
But IMHO that is like putting a Corvette engine in a yugo chassis.
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well good feedback so far . 1 thing you have to remember i do not know much about computer hardware. but what i do know is i do not want to be continuing to have to up grade just to play this 1 game. this is the only game i intend on using this computer for. in other words im looking for the aces high power system where i can pretty much run my graphics anyway i want to without any sign of stress. pretty much trouble free gaming .
as skuzzy said "The current version of Aces High is more CPU dependent than video card dependent. The next version of the game will reverse that. "
this is the ebay site where i put the sample system together http://stores.ebay.com/microonecomputers?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
1 thing to keep in mind i do not have the space or the tools to assemble this on my own ,and probably not the knowledge without some training .
bizman and 38ruk thank you for your feedback so far i hope you can see where i am coming from here ,the more info i have the better the results.
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with the info i have so far here is where we stand for about the same amount of cash
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Looks much better.
There's still a couple of choices that you might want to consider.
First, the CPU: an i7-4770K is actually a little more expensive than the 4 GHz i7-4790K. So why pay more for less?
Second, given that AH3 will be more video card dependent and less CPU dependent, an i5-4690K @ 3.5 GHz might be enough and save you a hundred bucks.
Third, if you save in the CPU, a more powerful video card such as a GTX 980 would fit in your budget. See http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xwTnJx (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xwTnJx)
Fourth, there's not too much information about the power supply. Corsair has a dozen or more 750 watt PSU's, starting from below $50 up to $350. There's a reason for such a price variation. Notice that Corsair doesn't actually manufacture their PSU's, they come from several makers some of which are more reliable than others. Seasonic would be a safer choice as they build their power supplies themselves.
Fifth, after getting your list evaluated and finished, consider asking how much your local builder shop would charge for building it instead of using eBay.
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Another option is these guys.
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/apollo.asp
I know a few people who have purchased from these guys and have no issues. Good customer service (niece got trash on the computer and tech service walked my brother inlaw through the repair over the phone.). Built to your specs and tested before shipping. Good fast shipping and helped get it setup when one of them go it over the phone again.
For a person who isn't too much of a geek and just wants a good computer that works and can get some help when it doesn't, you could do a lot worst than these guys.
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haha ok computer #3 . i believe the power supply prob is solved and have the 980 card .
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you can save a couple of hundred buck, get better components and built it yourself.
semp
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lol well stranger things have happen. in the pic below you will see the culprit of this head banging experience. the nice and clean cpu and fan. sure looks pretty spinning around holding the cpu at a cool 86.6 degrees. you may ask how do i know the temp of the cpu . ha well as i was giving this the 1 last look just by chance the whole thing jiggled when i was checking it . apparently when i was replacing that hard to reach screw i somehow unclipped the heatsink from the base. quickly i added the power cord and the hdmi turned it on and well nothing till i gave it a slight twist. presto its MAGIC ( hummmmm wonder where that name came from) anyways i will probably just need some heatsink paste .and this computer is operable for the time being . however i am still looking at the future knowing this unit has a deadline someday
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Nice! Wasn't there recently someone else whose cpu cooler wasn't properly seated? Anyway, especially with the plastic plugs used in many coolers it's very easy to unlock one corner. Not to mention while pushing the plugs in it's quite easy to bend half of the plug between the cooler and the motherboard, which will create a gap between the cooler and the cpu. Knowledge by experience...
As for your last setup suggestion, why did you choose the H81 motherboard (again) which doesn't allow overclocking with an unlocked cpu designed for oc'ing?
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LOL bizman i wasnt paying attn just adding your suggestions
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I would definitively add a 240 gb SSD drive for OS, and the most commonly used applications.
It really speed up boot and application startup quite some.
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Actually the Pentium-G3258 in my ultra-cheap build thread gave better fps in the AH2 offline test compared to my more expensive i5-4690K build. That's most likely because the Pentium was clocked to a higher clock speed.
But that goes to show that for games a 70 dollar CPU will do pretty much the same like a 370 dollar CPU. In other multimedia uses the Pentium will lag behind but for people like me who use Windows PC:s only for games, it's really a no brainer.
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Is the Pentium a Dual core? Whats its Clock speed?
I have an i3 clocked out at 3.4 running on my machine as of now(MB is capable of going up to the i7) I see FPS drops when i have all the Eye candy turned up.
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Stock clock speed is 3.2Ghz but it goes easy to 4.5Ghz and with a bit of push even 4.7Ghz.
The best thing is, you can oc it to 4.5Ghz without using anything but the stock cooler that comes with it.
http://www.toptengamer.com/top-300-gaming-pc-build/
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here is the reply from the local computer builder . i gave him an estimate of $1100.00 he did alright except im sure you will see a few areas of improvement.
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here is the reply from the local computer builder . i gave him an estimate of $1100.00 he did alright except im sure you will see a few areas of improvement.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/MAVADAKIN_2007/comp4.jpg)[/URL]
There's a huge difference between the 960 and the 980 or even 970!
I wonder if the lenovo case will even hold a 970 or 980?
:salute
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I have a 960 inside a lenovo desktop(ts140 server) :old:
My bottle neck seems the be the i3 processor that came with the machine. Will probably upgrade to the i7 4770 at some point.
But my build ended up costing me closer to $600, so far atleast
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Your local builder apparently either doesn't know where to buy or he wants to get paid big time. Lenovo says the K450e is $549 with a coupon code they provide. The extra components cost roughly $390, making a total of $939 plus the 8 Gb of RAM and the original power supply, together worth something closer to $50 than $100. Building a computer and installing the OS and drivers usually costs about $100 to $150 when you buy the components.
Out of curiosity I calculated a similar build at a major Finnish web and retail shop including building and OS installing. The total was roughly the same as your local builder gave, with the noticeable difference that we have 24% VAT included.
Building basically the same from scratch without any compromised brand stuff:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7 (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7)
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7/by_merchant/ (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($120.75 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate SV35.5 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.11 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($199.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($133.79 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($6.99 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Microsoft JUD-00001 Wired Optical Mouse ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $876.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-15 15:14 EDT-0400
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Your local builder apparently either doesn't know where to buy or he wants to get paid big time. Lenovo says the K450e is $549 with a coupon code they provide. The extra components cost roughly $390, making a total of $939 plus the 8 Gb of RAM and the original power supply, together worth something closer to $50 than $100. Building a computer and installing the OS and drivers usually costs about $100 to $150 when you buy the components.
Out of curiosity I calculated a similar build at a major Finnish web and retail shop including building and OS installing. The total was roughly the same as your local builder gave, with the noticeable difference that we have 24% VAT included.
Building basically the same from scratch without any compromised brand stuff:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7 (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7)
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7/by_merchant/ (http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nbh9Q7/by_merchant/)
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($178.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-A (NFC Express Edition) ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($120.75 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Seagate SV35.5 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.11 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 960 2GB SuperSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($199.00 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case ($21.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer ($12.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($133.79 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($6.99 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Microsoft JUD-00001 Wired Optical Mouse ($5.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $876.47
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-04-15 15:14 EDT-0400
He can upgrade the GPU to a GTX980 with the money you just saved him Bizman!
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well i sure appreciate all the advice so far. i am kinda glad now my old computer is up and running again this gives me time to plan the next computer rather then hurry up so i can get back to playing. as of now we are using AH2 but what happens when AH3 comes out? what are we going to need then? what kind of system are we going to need to handle all them graphics we see in the pics? im sure we can turn off the graphic setting like we do now but what if we want them on with max fps what are we going to need. i would hate to build a system now and find out later i need upgrades . these are the questions that need answers before i spend a penny.
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I have a 960 inside a lenovo desktop(ts140 server) :old:
My bottle neck seems the be the i3 processor that came with the machine. Will probably upgrade to the i7 4770 at some point.
But my build ended up costing me closer to $600, so far atleast
What makes you think your bottleneck is the i3? Gaming CPU reviews have pointed that you gain maybe 5% increase for triple the price if you switch from i3 to i7. It makes no sense. If your i3 is a low model you'll get much bigger gains by getting another i3 with a higher clock speed or a Pentium G3258. If your motherboard supports overclocking, then do that free of cost as the first step.
Keep in mind that the 960 is a budget card, it's not going to be screaming fast no matter what CPU you use.
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well i sure appreciate all the advice so far. i am kinda glad now my old computer is up and running again this gives me time to plan the next computer rather then hurry up so i can get back to playing. as of now we are using AH2 but what happens when AH3 comes out? what are we going to need then? what kind of system are we going to need to handle all them graphics we see in the pics? im sure we can turn off the graphic setting like we do now but what if we want them on with max fps what are we going to need. i would hate to build a system now and find out later i need upgrades . these are the questions that need answers before i spend a penny.
The best advice I can give at this situation is to use your old computer until AH3 has been released and tested by all users. Before that everything is just educated guessing.
Should you really need to get a new computer before that, choose the processor capable to run the current game with full details and get the best video card you can afford. As has been said the new version will be GPU dependent while this one relies on CPU. Thus a decent processor with a high end video card is better than a killer processor with mediocre graphics.
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What makes you think your bottleneck is the i3? Gaming CPU reviews have pointed that you gain maybe 5% increase for triple the price if you switch from i3 to i7. It makes no sense. If your i3 is a low model you'll get much bigger gains by getting another i3 with a higher clock speed or a Pentium G3258. If your motherboard supports overclocking, then do that free of cost as the first step.
Keep in mind that the 960 is a budget card, it's not going to be screaming fast no matter what CPU you use.
I wouldn't upgrade to an i7 for gaming.My setup is nearly perfect for what I do now(with the expection of AH not running smoothly with all the eyecandy turned on), but It would be useful for other applications that I would want to explore in the future.
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here is the reply from the local computer builder . i gave him an estimate of $1100.00 he did alright except im sure you will see a few areas of improvement.
(http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff115/MAVADAKIN_2007/comp4.jpg)[/URL]
he's ripping you off. he's mark up is way more than what it should be.
semp